The Race of the Ancient Egyptians

#1 Edited by Emil_Fontz (305 posts) -

There is great controversy surrounding the race of the Ancient Egyptians, which is a mystery to this day. Afrocentrists claim that they were Black, Eurocentrists claim that they were White, and Arabs claim that they were Arabs.

Personally, I think that the Egyptians were the race of the modern day Copts, a minority, Christian group that's been in Egypt since before the arrival of the Arabs.

What do you guys think?

#2 Edited by LJS9502_basic (151354 posts) -

I think Arabs classify as Caucasian.

#3 Posted by Emil_Fontz (305 posts) -

@LJS9502_basic said:

I think Arabs classify as Caucasian.

Yes, they do, but they are still distinct from Whites and form their own sub-race.

#4 Posted by Aljosa23 (25111 posts) -

They're aliens. How do you think they made the pyramids? Aliens.

#5 Posted by LJS9502_basic (151354 posts) -

@emil_fontz said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

I think Arabs classify as Caucasian.

Yes, they do, but they are still distinct from Whites and form their own sub-race.

No. There is no sub race. There is different ethnicity. Damn dude. And FYI....Caucasians vary greatly in skin tone.

#6 Posted by Emil_Fontz (305 posts) -

@LJS9502_basic said:

@emil_fontz said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

I think Arabs classify as Caucasian.

Yes, they do, but they are still distinct from Whites and form their own sub-race.

No. There is no sub race. There is different ethnicity. Damn dude. And FYI....Caucasians vary greatly in skin tone.

Whatever, man. You're arguing semantics. My point was that Arabs are distinct from White people (in both appearance and culture).

#7 Posted by uninspiredcup (8882 posts) -

Saw a thing on tv a while back, apparently we all came from black people. With evidence to suggest (from caves) that Asians came from a separate species, or something. Was fascinating wish I taped it. BBC4 is kinda like the history and discovery channel before they became shitty.

#8 Posted by LJS9502_basic (151354 posts) -

That's NOT semantics. You are confusing ethnicity with race. They are two different things. Or do you believe all "white" people are the same? Cultures vary dude. Only people that follow generalizations and stereotypes are the ignorant....and the racist.

#9 Posted by Emil_Fontz (305 posts) -

@uninspiredcup said:

Saw a thing on tv a while back, apparently we all came from black people. With evidence to suggest (from caves) that Asians came from a separate species, or something. Was fascinating wish I taped it. BBC4 is kinda like the history and discovery channel before they became shitty.

What you've said is contradictory. You say that we all came from Black people but also that Asians came from a separate species. What?

#10 Edited by uninspiredcup (8882 posts) -

@emil_fontz said:

@uninspiredcup said:

Saw a thing on tv a while back, apparently we all came from black people. With evidence to suggest (from caves) that Asians came from a separate species, or something. Was fascinating wish I taped it. BBC4 is kinda like the history and discovery channel before they became shitty.

What you've said is contradictory. You say that we all came from Black people but also that Asians came from a separate species. What?

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/suggest

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/apparently

#11 Posted by foxhound_fox (88651 posts) -

There is debate over this? We have paintings they made that show them to have olive skin.

They are most likely a variant Mediterranean ethnicity, probably similar to the Etruscans.

#12 Edited by Sword-Demon (6970 posts) -

@uninspiredcup said:

Saw a thing on tv a while back, apparently we all came from black people. With evidence to suggest (from caves) that Asians came from a separate species, or something. Was fascinating wish I taped it. BBC4 is kinda like the history and discovery channel before they became shitty.

It's certainly possible that the first humans were black, but that bit about Asians is just ridiculous.

#13 Posted by poptart (6856 posts) -

@foxhound_fox:

...Old paintings fade over time.

Egyptians were originally deep purple

#14 Posted by gamerguru100 (10647 posts) -

@LJS9502_basic said:

@emil_fontz said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

I think Arabs classify as Caucasian.

Yes, they do, but they are still distinct from Whites and form their own sub-race.

No. There is no sub race. There is different ethnicity. Damn dude. And FYI....Caucasians vary greatly in skin tone.

The Caucasian race spans Europe, North Africa, the Middle East, Central Asia, and the Indian subcontinent, but the term "white" is usually reserved only to describe people of European descent. The exception is the US Census Bureau, which groups Americans of European, North African, and Middle Eastern descent under the label "White". I think the Census should change it to "White/Caucasian" so it would make more sense to group North Africans and Middle Easterners under the label, given that most people don't consider those two groups as part of the white race. All whites (Europeans and European descendants) are Caucasian, but not all Caucasians are white.

#15 Posted by lamprey263 (24130 posts) -

Well, there's people out there that study the genetic information of modern and ancient people, I'm sure if they'll figure it out one day. So no use thinking to hard about it. I don't imagine anybody here is an expert in expert in that field.

#16 Edited by foxhound_fox (88651 posts) -

@poptart said:

@foxhound_fox:

...Old paintings fade over time.

Egyptians were originally deep purple

#17 Edited by poptart (6856 posts) -

@foxhound_fox said:

@poptart said:

@foxhound_fox:

...Old paintings fade over time.

Egyptians were originally deep purple

Not Aliens brother, just 70s rock n roll.

...actually that doesn't make any sense. Maybe it was aliens then.

#18 Posted by -Blasphemy- (3097 posts) -

There is no way the Ancient Egyptians were white. Not a single pharaoh looks white.

#19 Posted by KiIIyou (27146 posts) -

CATS

#20 Edited by alim298 (1465 posts) -

@emil_fontz said:

And Arabs claim that they were Arabs.

Most uninformed comment on the internet yet?

You know Arabs if we are going to be strictly speaking here consider themselves sons of Noah. In that sense Israelis and to better put it Canaanites are Arabs also. But some Arab historians if I'm correct consider the word Arab to only have two meanings. Inhabitants of Arabia who are sons of Noah and inhabitants of Arabia and Iraq who are sons of Abraham through Ismael and not Isaac. Canaanites on the other hand are sons of Isaac and they are not Arabs.

Now back to Egypt.When Jacob and his sons immigrated to Egypt a term called "Israelis" or "Sons of Israel" was shaped Israel being another name for Jacob. Also there were native Egyptians who are called "qibti" in Arabic. When Moses came he asked the pharaoh to send "the Israelis with him" so there still are two different races in Egypt none of which is Arab. But then Arabs took control of Egypt and a lot of Arabs immigrated there and that apparently makes all the Egyptians Arabs.

You must be talking about the recent movements that are trying to say Egyptians are Arabs because "Arabic spring" and other bullshit terms invented by Arabs.

#21 Posted by LJS9502_basic (151354 posts) -

@gamerguru100 said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@emil_fontz said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

I think Arabs classify as Caucasian.

Yes, they do, but they are still distinct from Whites and form their own sub-race.

No. There is no sub race. There is different ethnicity. Damn dude. And FYI....Caucasians vary greatly in skin tone.

The Caucasian race spans Europe, North Africa, the Middle East, Central Asia, and the Indian subcontinent, but the term "white" is usually reserved only to describe people of European descent. The exception is the US Census Bureau, which groups Americans of European, North African, and Middle Eastern descent under the label "White". I think the Census should change it to "White/Caucasian" so it would make more sense to group North Africans and Middle Easterners under the label, given that most people don't consider those two groups as part of the white race. All whites (Europeans and European descendants) are Caucasian, but not all Caucasians are white.

That more or less depends on how one uses the word. Again Caucasian skin tone varies. And what I said was Arabs are Caucasian....which they are.

#22 Edited by thegerg (15415 posts) -

@-Blasphemy- said:

There is no way the Ancient Egyptians were white. Not a single pharaoh looks white.

These are just a couple images of Pharaohs that were left for us. I think it's safe to say that numerous "races" have been throughout Egypt for thousands of years.

#23 Edited by jasean79 (2375 posts) -

@Aljosa23 said:

They're aliens. How do you think they made the pyramids? Aliens.

#24 Posted by Flubbbs (3137 posts) -

they have done dna testing on mummies and even king tut that proves ancient egyptians werent black.. no matter how badly afrocentric people want to rewrite history and try to steal cultures, science proves otherwise

#25 Posted by BossPerson (9472 posts) -

Let me guess, you're a copt

#26 Posted by BossPerson (9472 posts) -

@alim298 said:

@emil_fontz said:

And Arabs claim that they were Arabs.

Most uninformed comment on the internet yet?

You know Arabs if we are going to be strictly speaking here consider themselves sons of Noah. In that sense Israelis and to better put it Canaanites are Arabs also. But some Arab historians if I'm correct consider the word Arab to only have two meanings. Inhabitants of Arabia who are sons of Noah and inhabitants of Arabia and Iraq who are sons of Abraham through Ismael and not Isaac. Canaanites on the other hand are sons of Isaac and they are not Arabs.

Now back to Egypt.When Jacob and his sons immigrated to Egypt a term called "Israelis" or "Sons of Israel" was shaped Israel being another name for Jacob. Also there were native Egyptians who are called "qibti" in Arabic. When Moses came he asked the pharaoh to send "the Israelis with him" so there still are two different races in Egypt none of which is Arab. But then Arabs took control of Egypt and a lot of Arabs immigrated there and that apparently makes all the Egyptians Arabs.

You must be talking about the recent movements that are trying to say Egyptians are Arabs because "Arabic spring" and other bullshit terms invented by Arabs.

to deny that Egypt is now Arab is just plain stupid and quite sad. My guess is that you're an arab christian (probably lebanese or egyptian) trying to disassociate himself from arabs as much as possible.

#27 Posted by SolidSnake35 (58110 posts) -

I thought they were cats.

#28 Posted by DaJuicyMan (3517 posts) -

I always thought the ancient Egyptians were black/west asian.

#29 Posted by Senor_Kami (8411 posts) -

Oh god, the theory of this long lost tribe of charcoal colored Caucasians rears its head again. This is about as believable as the one that every historically important European civilization was actually just Africans suffering from vitiligo.

#30 Edited by alim298 (1465 posts) -

@BossPerson said:

@alim298 said:

@emil_fontz said:

And Arabs claim that they were Arabs.

Most uninformed comment on the internet yet?

You know Arabs if we are going to be strictly speaking here consider themselves sons of Noah. In that sense Israelis and to better put it Canaanites are Arabs also. But some Arab historians if I'm correct consider the word Arab to only have two meanings. Inhabitants of Arabia who are sons of Noah and inhabitants of Arabia and Iraq who are sons of Abraham through Ismael and not Isaac. Canaanites on the other hand are sons of Isaac and they are not Arabs.

Now back to Egypt.When Jacob and his sons immigrated to Egypt a term called "Israelis" or "Sons of Israel" was shaped Israel being another name for Jacob. Also there were native Egyptians who are called "qibti" in Arabic. When Moses came he asked the pharaoh to send "the Israelis with him" so there still are two different races in Egypt none of which is Arab. But then Arabs took control of Egypt and a lot of Arabs immigrated there and that apparently makes all the Egyptians Arabs.

You must be talking about the recent movements that are trying to say Egyptians are Arabs because "Arabic spring" and other bullshit terms invented by Arabs.

to deny that Egypt is now Arab is just plain stupid and quite sad. My guess is that you're an arab christian (probably lebanese or egyptian) trying to disassociate himself from arabs as much as possible.

I'm not Arab but I would have loved to be an Arab. And I'm Muslim btw. Still not understanding why you would say Egyptians are Arabs. Are you saying that all those qibtis all of a sudden disappeared from existence? What happened to them?

#31 Posted by Emil_Fontz (305 posts) -

@BossPerson said:

Let me guess, you're a copt

No. I'm Black.

#32 Edited by BossPerson (9472 posts) -

@alim298 said:

@BossPerson said:

@alim298 said:

@emil_fontz said:

And Arabs claim that they were Arabs.

Most uninformed comment on the internet yet?

You know Arabs if we are going to be strictly speaking here consider themselves sons of Noah. In that sense Israelis and to better put it Canaanites are Arabs also. But some Arab historians if I'm correct consider the word Arab to only have two meanings. Inhabitants of Arabia who are sons of Noah and inhabitants of Arabia and Iraq who are sons of Abraham through Ismael and not Isaac. Canaanites on the other hand are sons of Isaac and they are not Arabs.

Now back to Egypt.When Jacob and his sons immigrated to Egypt a term called "Israelis" or "Sons of Israel" was shaped Israel being another name for Jacob. Also there were native Egyptians who are called "qibti" in Arabic. When Moses came he asked the pharaoh to send "the Israelis with him" so there still are two different races in Egypt none of which is Arab. But then Arabs took control of Egypt and a lot of Arabs immigrated there and that apparently makes all the Egyptians Arabs.

You must be talking about the recent movements that are trying to say Egyptians are Arabs because "Arabic spring" and other bullshit terms invented by Arabs.

to deny that Egypt is now Arab is just plain stupid and quite sad. My guess is that you're an arab christian (probably lebanese or egyptian) trying to disassociate himself from arabs as much as possible.

I'm not Arab but I would have loved to be an Arab. And I'm Muslim btw. Still not understanding why you would say Egyptians are Arabs. Are you saying that all those qibtis all of a sudden disappeared from existence? What happened to them?

overtaken by other ethnicities, they got diluted, they left, etc. You shouldn't have such a rigid and concrete view of race or ethnicity. There's a lot of mixing and grouping going on.

#33 Edited by alim298 (1465 posts) -

@BossPerson said:

You shouldn't have such a rigid and concrete view of race or ethnicity. There's a lot of mixing and grouping going on.

Agreed. I'm not an expert on race and stuff but it always felt like they call themselves Arabs simply because they speak Arabic.

So I can agree with you that present day Egyptians are indeed Arabs but to say that Arabs consider Egyptians of old Arabs is still such an uninformed saying.

#34 Edited by Emil_Fontz (305 posts) -

@thegerg said:

@-Blasphemy- said:

There is no way the Ancient Egyptians were white. Not a single pharaoh looks white.

These are just a couple images of Pharaohs that were left for us. I think it's safe to say that numerous "races" have been throughout Egypt for thousands of years.

I'm pretty sure that the second image is not a product of Egypt but is one of Greece. However, if you already know that and are simply trying to imply that there's a resemblance between the two, there isn't. In my opinion, the Egyptians were the race of modern day Copts but were conquered and ruled by the Black Nubians toward the end of their civilization (which is why later artwork depicts people of nobility/ royalty as dark skinned).

#35 Edited by whipassmt (14034 posts) -

My guess is that the Ancient Egyptians were probably similar the same race as the Copts, which is probably a darker-toned Caucasian person (a Mediterranean person) similar to other Near Eastern peoples. They probably weren't Arabs since I don't think Arabs had spread that far at that time. There were probably some Arab traders going to Egypt, but I think large-scale conquests and colonization by Arabs didn't happen until after the time of Mohammed. I think most countries that are today considered "Arab" countries probably were not mostly Arab until after the time of the Islamic conquests, and then Arabs colonized those places and many of the natives came to adopt an Arab identity. There are still in many "Arab" countries indigenous peoples who retain their old identity such as the Chaldeans in Iraq (though they are mostly fleeing to Kurdistan now), and the Copts in Egypt are the most numerous example.

In any case Egypt must've had other "types of people" living there as well during different times of ancient history. Arabs have a reputation for being good merchants so some of them probably wound up in Egypt. Some black people probably were there as well, even before the Nubian conquest. Then there were the Hyksos and the Hebrews (who may actually be the same people). And then Greeks and Romans.

#36 Edited by thegerg (15415 posts) -

@emil_fontz said:

@thegerg said:

@-Blasphemy- said:

There is no way the Ancient Egyptians were white. Not a single pharaoh looks white.

These are just a couple images of Pharaohs that were left for us. I think it's safe to say that numerous "races" have been throughout Egypt for thousands of years.

I'm pretty sure that the second image is not a product of Egypt but is one of Greece. However, if you already know that and are simply trying to imply that there's a resemblance between the two, there isn't. In my opinion, the Egyptians were the race of modern day Copts but were conquered and ruled by the Black Nubians toward the end of their civilization (which is why later artwork depicts people of nobility/ royalty as dark skinned).

The second image is a bust of one of the Pharaohs. Blasphemy suggested that no Pharaoh looked white, thus Egyptians were not white. What I'm saying is that his claim does not hold true, and the conclusion he has drawn from it is not sound.