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#1 2muchthyme
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The MPAA, the film ratings organization that keeps you and I safe from dangerous movie guns pointed directly at our innocent eyes, recently banned the following poster for ...

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Couldn't you say that more...sex fully?

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The MPAA, the film ratings organization that keeps you and I safe from dangerous movie guns pointed directly at our innocent eyes, recently banned the following poster for ...

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Couldn't you say that more...sex fully?

2muchthyme

You definitely got this from Digg, I see. ;)

I find it ridiculous.They must still be pissed it got away with an R rating.

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#3 sammyjenkis898
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You just realised the MPAA hates Kevin Smith?

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#4 CoolSkAGuy
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I want one of those movie posters :o
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The MPAA hates freedom of speach.
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#6 martialbullet
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The MPAA hates freedom of speach. Film-Guy

and boy does Kevin make use of that right ;)

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#7 Film-Guy
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[QUOTE="Film-Guy"]The MPAA hates freedom of speach. martialbullet

and boy does Kevin make use of that right ;)

And for that I respect him:D

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#8 shoeman12
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**** the MPAA. how can they decide what movie posters are acceptable?
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I really want to watch Zack and Miri Make a Porno. The trailer looked promising.
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I really want to watch Zack and Miri Make a Porno. The trailer looked promising. CommanderShiro

if anything, all this crap from the MPAA makes me want to see it more.

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dude, who is going to reject a poster with Jessica Alba in it?? Other than that, their a bunch of hypocrites
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The fact that the Good Luck Chuck poster with Dane Cook shirtless with the head on the bottom made it through and this poster doesn't is ridiculous...I hate the MPAA.

Watch the documentary This Film Is Not Yet Rated. It will make your head explode with anger.

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The fact that the Good Luck Chuck poster with Dane Cook shirtless with the head on the bottom made it through and this poster doesn't is ridiculous...I hate the MPAA.

Watch the documentary This Film Is Not Yet Rated. It will make your head explode with anger.

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I've already seen it. Their rules are ludacris.

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#14 2muchthyme
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The MPAA hates freedom of speach. Film-Guy

I agree.

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#15 Helbrec
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You guys should see up here in Canada. Ratings jump all over the place. Sometimes like much more than USA.

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#16 SolidSnake35
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I can understand that. Movie poster will be seen by all
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#17 vidplayer8
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I can understand that. Movie poster will be seen by allSolidSnake35

yeah, I mean if the image is ever a trailer in an R movie I wouldn't care. But its perfectly reasonable for them to ban it since anyone could see it.

Its a really funny poster though lol.

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#18 blackngold29
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**** the MPAA. how can they decide what movie posters are acceptable?shoeman12
They did the same thing with Saw II. They forced a "less obvious" view that the fingers were cut off.

International (MPAA rejected):  Revised and MPAA aproved:

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#19 LastRebelKing
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The MPAA loves Kevin Smith:P

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#20 blackngold29
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Wait, are they rejecting the Poster or the Title? It seemed the title is what is more offensive (not that it is), but how can they expect him to come up with one that'll be aproved? They can't force a re-title can they?
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I can understand. Those heads were strategically placed.
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#22 martialbullet
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[QUOTE="martialbullet"]

[QUOTE="Film-Guy"]The MPAA hates freedom of speach. Film-Guy

and boy does Kevin make use of that right ;)

And for that I respect him:D

Yes indeed, but sometimes he puts out a bit too much information :? Yikes!

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 Revised and MPAA aproved:

wow

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Meh, they still let him release Zack and Miri with an R rating even though he made no edits from the NC17 version. I can't WAIT for this movie.
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[QUOTE="2muchthyme"]

The MPAA, the film ratings organization that keeps you and I safe from dangerous movie guns pointed directly at our innocent eyes, recently banned the following poster for ...

The article:

Couldn't you say that more...sex fully?

Zeromus1337

You definitely got this from Digg, I see. ;)

I find it ridiculous.They must still be pissed it got away with an R rating.

It was the MPAA who gave it the R rating. They gave it an NC-17 rating, Kevin Smith went through the appeals process just as he did when Clerks originally got an NC-17 rating, and the MPAA lowered the rating to an R WITHOUT making Kevin Smith cut any more out of the movie.

So please explain this to me. The MPAA gave it an NC-17 rating and then lowered the rating after hearing Kevin Smith make his case for why it should be R. WHY would they be "pissed" that it got an R-rating, when it was THEM who gave it an R-rating, and when they originally gave it an NC-17 rating and could've damn well KEPT IT at an NC-17 rating if they freaking felt like it?

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Meh, they still let him release Zack and Miri with an R rating even though he made no edits from the NC17 version. I can't WAIT for this movie. Toriko42

Exactly. All this knee-jerk "the MPAA is trying to take OUR FREEDOM!!"

And yet, we're talking about a poster. A freaking poster. When the MPAA voluntarily lowered the rating from NC-17 to R after hearing Kevin Smith make his case, how many people did you see PRAISING the MPAA for that?

Who was it who gave the MPAA an R-rating WITHOUT making Kevin Smith cut more material from the submitted cut of the film? That's right, the MPAA. THEY allowed the damn MOVIE to be released as R, and yet we're getting hung up on the damn POSTER.

Yeah, whatever.

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[QUOTE="Toriko42"]Meh, they still let him release Zack and Miri with an R rating even though he made no edits from the NC17 version. I can't WAIT for this movie. MrGeezer

Exactly. All this knee-jerk "the MPAA is trying to take OUR FREEDOM!!"

And yet, we're talking about a poster. A freaking poster. When the MPAA voluntarily lowered the rating from NC-17 to R after hearing Kevin Smith make his case, how many people did you see PRAISING the MPAA for that?

Who was it who gave the MPAA an R-rating WITHOUT making Kevin Smith cut more material from the submitted cut of the film? That's right, the MPAA. THEY allowed the damn MOVIE to be released as R, and yet we're getting hung up on the damn POSTER.

Yeah, whatever.

Posters are useless, I don't even care. I just want this damn movie because Kevin Smith owns.
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And you just figured that out? :P
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#29 viewtiful26
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I personally found the Jessica Alba poster with the melting Vanilla ice cream to be much more suggestive. (-'_'-)

And that was before the article explicitly pointed out its supposed to resemble a penis I'm so naive.

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I am not a big fan of Kevin Smith at all, but his attitude about this whole thing is pretty reasonable. Before he appealed the NC-17 rating, I recall seeing an interview where he said something like this (paraphrased, I don't remember his exact comments)...

"Yeah, so the MPAA gave the movie an NC-17-rating. I'm scheduled to appeal the rating in a few days. I understand that the MPAA has a job to do, but I disagree with this film's rating when I see all kinds of other movies getting R ratings for similar content. So just like when Clerks got an NC-17 rating, we appealed it and the rating got lowered to an R. So in a few days I'll do the same thing. I'll appeal the rating, provide examples of other movies that set a precedent for having the same kind of content with an R-rating, and we'll see what they decide."

And let me reiterate that I'm just paraphrasing what I remember. THat is NOT an exact quote from Kevin Smith, that's just me summarizing what he was saying about the NC-17 rating just a few days before he appealed it.

But...that's what happened. The MPAA gave the movie an NC-17 rating. Kevin Smith disagreed with the rating and didn't want to cut anything else from the film, so he appealed the rating, provided evidence of why it should be rated R, and the MPAA gave it an R rating without making Kevin Smith cut anything else from the film. That's how the process works. Kevin Smith apparently understands this, and is apparently capable of not being a total douche when the MPAA calls him out for intentionally trying to push the boundaries of "good taste". Kevin Smith KNOWS that he's intentionally trying to push the boundaries of good taste, he knows that the MPAA has a job to do, and he knows that this isgonna increase the likelihood that sometimes the MPAA isn't gonna like what he does. Okay. Rather than whine and moan about it, and throw a tantrum, Kevin Smith has enough sense to not be a total fearmongering douchebag and go through the process that it takes to get his movie out. He disagreed with the MPAA's rating, he explained why he disagreed like a professional, and the MPAA changed their minds about what rating the film should get. And that's it.

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I am not a big fan of Kevin Smith at all, but his attitude about this whole thing is pretty reasonable. Before he appealed the NC-17 rating, I recall seeing an interview where he said something like this (paraphrased, I don't remember his exact comments)...

"Yeah, so the MPAA gave the movie an NC-17-rating. I'm scheduled to appeal the rating in a few days. I understand that the MPAA has a job to do, but I disagree with this film's rating when I see all kinds of other movies getting R ratings for similar content. So just like when Clerks got an NC-17 rating, we appealed it and the rating got lowered to an R. So in a few days I'll do the same thing. I'll appeal the rating, provide examples of other movies that set a precedent for having the same kind of content with an R-rating, and we'll see what they decide."

And let me reiterate that I'm just paraphrasing what I remember. THat is NOT an exact quote from Kevin Smith, that's just me summarizing what he was saying about the NC-17 rating just a few days before he appealed it.

But...that's what happened. The MPAA gave the movie an NC-17 rating. Kevin Smith disagreed with the rating and didn't want to cut anything else from the film, so he appealed the rating, provided evidence of why it should be rated R, and the MPAA gave it an R rating without making Kevin Smith cut anything else from the film. That's how the process works. Kevin Smith apparently understands this, and is apparently capable of not being a total douche when the MPAA calls him out for intentionally trying to push the boundaries of "good taste". Kevin Smith KNOWS that he's intentionally trying to push the boundaries of good taste, he knows that the MPAA has a job to do, and he knows that this isgonna increase the likelihood that sometimes the MPAA isn't gonna like what he does. Okay. Rather than whine and moan about it, and throw a tantrum, Kevin Smith has enough sense to not be a total fearmongering douchebag and go through the process that it takes to get his movie out. He disagreed with the MPAA's rating, he explained why he disagreed like a professional, and the MPAA changed their minds about what rating the film should get. And that's it.

MrGeezer

The MPAA has made stupid decisions in the past though, you should see This film is not yet rated. Not everyone gets a fair deal like Kevin Smith does.

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#32 MrGeezer
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[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

I am not a big fan of Kevin Smith at all, but his attitude about this whole thing is pretty reasonable. Before he appealed the NC-17 rating, I recall seeing an interview where he said something like this (paraphrased, I don't remember his exact comments)...

"Yeah, so the MPAA gave the movie an NC-17-rating. I'm scheduled to appeal the rating in a few days. I understand that the MPAA has a job to do, but I disagree with this film's rating when I see all kinds of other movies getting R ratings for similar content. So just like when Clerks got an NC-17 rating, we appealed it and the rating got lowered to an R. So in a few days I'll do the same thing. I'll appeal the rating, provide examples of other movies that set a precedent for having the same kind of content with an R-rating, and we'll see what they decide."

And let me reiterate that I'm just paraphrasing what I remember. THat is NOT an exact quote from Kevin Smith, that's just me summarizing what he was saying about the NC-17 rating just a few days before he appealed it.

But...that's what happened. The MPAA gave the movie an NC-17 rating. Kevin Smith disagreed with the rating and didn't want to cut anything else from the film, so he appealed the rating, provided evidence of why it should be rated R, and the MPAA gave it an R rating without making Kevin Smith cut anything else from the film. That's how the process works. Kevin Smith apparently understands this, and is apparently capable of not being a total douche when the MPAA calls him out for intentionally trying to push the boundaries of "good taste". Kevin Smith KNOWS that he's intentionally trying to push the boundaries of good taste, he knows that the MPAA has a job to do, and he knows that this isgonna increase the likelihood that sometimes the MPAA isn't gonna like what he does. Okay. Rather than whine and moan about it, and throw a tantrum, Kevin Smith has enough sense to not be a total fearmongering douchebag and go through the process that it takes to get his movie out. He disagreed with the MPAA's rating, he explained why he disagreed like a professional, and the MPAA changed their minds about what rating the film should get. And that's it.

Film-Guy

The MPAA has made stupid decisions in the past though, you should see This film is not yet rated. Not everyone gets a fair deal like Kevin Smith does.

Everyone makes stupid decisions sometimes.

However, here's the thing that bugs me. Everytime the MPAA slaps an anticipated or interesting-looking movie with the NC-17 rating, everyone throws around first amendment violation accusations. Every time an anticipated videogame gets slapped with the AO rating by the ESRB, people are abgry at them for banning the game.

What people forget though, is that ratings organizations are NOT in the business of banning media. They are in the business of giving ratings. If an AO rating on a videogame is an effective ban, that's because Wal-Mart won't sell AO games. If an NC-17 rating on a movie is an effective ban, that's because theater chains won't show them. NC-17 movies absolutely DO get released.

This has far less to do with the MPAA giving out ratings, and far more to do with studios refusing to release NC-17 movies. This has far less to do with the MPAA giving out NC-17 ratings than it has to do with theater chains refusing to show NC-17 movies.

Here's the thing though...for everyone here who thinks that NC-17 rating should NOT be an effective ban, how many of you here have actually boycotted a particular chain because they don't show NC-17 movies? How many people have actually boycotted Blockbuster video or Wal-Mart because they refuse to carry NC-17 movies?

For all the backlash directed at ratings boards simply for giving out ratings, how much comparable backlash do we dish out to the people who have a "no-tolerance" policy to those ratings?

People complained about Fox cutting Die Hard 4 to a PG-13. That was a studio issue, NOT an MPAA issue. So when ANY movie is given an NC-17 rating, and the studio cuts it in order to get an R rating, how is that scenario any different? How is it an MPAA issue when we're talking about NC-17 vs R, but NOT an MPAA issue when we're talking about R vs PG-13? If we're going to criticize a studio for cutting an R rated movie to PG-13 rather than risk losing sales because it's R, why do we stop blaming studios and start blaming the MPAA when it becomes a situation in which an NC-17 movie gets cut down to an R? Lust Caution was NC-17. It got released as NC-17. A Dirty Shame was NC-17. It got released as NC-17. And yes, if the Zack and Miri Porno movie were to have kept its NC-17 rating, it COULD still get released. The things limiting it's release are N{OT the rating, but the studio's lack of balls and artistic integrity, the theater chain's lack of balls and artistic integrity, and retailers' lack of balls and artistic integrity.

But what does that have to do with the RATING? The MPAA doesn't ban movies, they rate them. It's studios who refuse to release movies, it's theater chains who refuse to show them, and it's retailers who refuse to sell them. And yet we're generally pretty happy to financially support those same studios/theaters/retailers and lob all of our blame at the people who gave it the rating.

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Thats funny. I think those that dont know about it would overlook that, too.

I loved the one of Dane Cook straddling Alba tho.

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wuts the difference between NC-17 and Rated R?
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wuts the difference between NC-17 and Rated R?NetYankEagle

nudity, which is freaking stupid imo

and sex

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[QUOTE="NetYankEagle"]wuts the difference between NC-17 and Rated R?mrbojangles25

nudity, which is freaking stupid imo

and sex

thats it? then why do people complaine what restricitons does it have for people(age wise)?
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Haha iv known this from a while, tracking kevin smiths blog and being a huge MPAA hater =S
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#38 viewtiful26
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[QUOTE="NetYankEagle"]wuts the difference between NC-17 and Rated R?mrbojangles25

nudity, which is freaking stupid imo

and sex

Not just Nudity! I mean, Titanic had some Nudity and it was considered PG-13. R rated films can have sex (American Pie) but NC-17 might make someone believe it's boderline pornographic.

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Im not a big fan of the MPAA, A film getting a NC-17 rating is a deathblow, it becomes very difficult to find and will lose money immediatly. I also hate the acceptance of viloence, blood and violence without consequences while nudity is frowned upon. They are also blatently sexist as films in which women are sexualy active or ones in which they enjoy sexual activity are rated far harsher than when male counterparts perform, recieve and enjoy the same activity. An R rating for a film is bad enough (especially one trying to create/convey an artistic message) but these harsh ratings for films make them almost impossible to find/ be distributed and almost always lose money.
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damn MPAA, Kevin Smith is awesome
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#41 Samwel_X
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While Kevin Smith really hasn't been on the ball for quite a long time, I may still see this film. The undue hard time it is getting from the MPAA is bound to increase its ticket sales, so in the end it will probably be for the best.
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#42 MedicMike66
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More people than the MPAA hate Kevin Smith.

The guy had a scene involving donkey oral sex in Clerks 2... he really can't complain.

Everyone knows that the ratings board are biased against sexual depictions, anyways. It's nothing new.

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#43 Wizz46
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More people than the MPAA hate Kevin Smith.

The guy had a scene involving donkey oral sex in Clerks 2... he really can't complain.

Everyone knows that the ratings board are biased against sexual depictions, anyways. It's nothing new.

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that scene was awesome:lol:

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#44 comp_atkins
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the only reason it was banned is because it alludes to a guy going down on a woman. the other dane cook posters do not allude to that. the mpaa has a double standard about oral sex. girl on guy ok. guy on girl NOOOOOOO!!!!!

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#45 viewtiful26
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All this talk about the MPAA reminded me of this one episode from the WB cartoon series called Freakazoid, in which Jack Valenti came out and gave a brief explanation about what the ratings mean. Here's a link that edited to contain the relevant scenes.

"I'm only doing this cause I'm a lousy actor."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGlPUc-qvHQ

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#46 dbowman
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Don't the MPAA hate everyone?

Anyway, in Britain we have our own idiots who take it upon themselves to ban things. The ASA (advertising standards agency) recently banned a poster for the film Wanted. Apparently it encouraged gun crime.

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#47 viewtiful26
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^ Yeah, I remember reading how there was concern the 007 movies do the same thing. In imdb.com I remember they're being an article about an agency feeling Quantum of Solace glorifies gun violence.
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Im not a big fan of the MPAA, A film getting a NC-17 rating is a deathblow, it becomes very difficult to find and will lose money immediatly. I also hate the acceptance of viloence, blood and violence without consequences while nudity is frowned upon. They are also blatently sexist as films in which women are sexualy active or ones in which they enjoy sexual activity are rated far harsher than when male counterparts perform, recieve and enjoy the same activity. An R rating for a film is bad enough (especially one trying to create/convey an artistic message) but these harsh ratings for films make them almost impossible to find/ be distributed and almost always lose money. JackMcSexbeard

The NC-17 is crippling the industry. Thank God Britain is more sensible, none of this "family values" nonsense here!

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[QUOTE="JackMcSexbeard"]Im not a big fan of the MPAA, A film getting a NC-17 rating is a deathblow, it becomes very difficult to find and will lose money immediatly. I also hate the acceptance of viloence, blood and violence without consequences while nudity is frowned upon. They are also blatently sexist as films in which women are sexualy active or ones in which they enjoy sexual activity are rated far harsher than when male counterparts perform, recieve and enjoy the same activity. An R rating for a film is bad enough (especially one trying to create/convey an artistic message) but these harsh ratings for films make them almost impossible to find/ be distributed and almost always lose money. Junkie_man

The NC-17 is crippling the industry. Thank God Britain is more sensible, none of this "family values" nonsense here!

Uh...no.

I don't know about the MPAA rules on posters, or how they are able to "ban them". But as far as MOVIES go, the MPAA is NOT banning movies!

WAL-MART might be banning movies. After all, they are the largest seller of DVDs. And when they refuse to sell a particular movie because of its rating, you're gonna be less inclined to see that rating. Cinema chains might be banning movies. After all, when thousands of cinemas automatically refuse to show a movie because it has a certain rating, studios are damn sure not gonna like the fact that their movie gets limited to maybe a couple hundred screens in the entire USA.

But the MPAA does not MAKE Wal-Mart refuse to sell NC-17 movies. The MPAA does not MAKE studios refuse to make NC-17 movies. They do that on their own, because they are concerned about MONEY. Studios refuse to release NC-17 movies for the EXACT same reason that they cut R rated movies down to PG-13. They have every right to do this. Wal-Mart refuses to sell NC-17 movies because they think that it will hurt their "image", and they have every right to do that. And the MPAA has every right to say that a movie deserves a harsher rating than R if in fact that movie deserves a harsher rating than R.

But think about what you're saying. The NC-17 rating is crippling the industry?! If we got rid of the NC-17 rating and made all NC-17 movies R, does'nt that just make R the new NC-17? Would you rather see Wal-Mart refusing to sell Alien, Saving Private Ryan, and Scarface because those movies have the same rating as Lust: Caution? Would you prefer to see PG-13 become the maximum rating that studios decide to release?

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...The MPAA doesn't ban movies, they rate them. It's studios who refuse to release movies, it's theater chains who refuse to show them, and it's retailers who refuse to sell them. And yet we're generally pretty happy to financially support those same studios/theaters/retailers and lob all of our blame at the people who gave it the rating...MrGeezer

I do believe that the MPAA sometimes waffles on their restrictions from film to film, but your above post is right on the money.