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If it was about power, they would not be sedating them but instead taking them by force. Same with Alcohol. Guys use that to get a girl so wasted that she has no idea what she was even doing or even remember. If sex was so easy, there would be no such thing as prostitutes. Sure. There are instances of rape for power but in most instances, they just want to get laid and a below average looking male can go years without sex unless its with somebody as disgusting looking as him. Most the time, rape for power is nothing more than feminist propaganda.[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"][QUOTE="worlock77"]
It is about power and control. Sex is easy. Anyone can get sex if they really want it. Case in point: since you brought it up: roofies. What do roofies do? Render the victim powerless right? Completely at the control of the person who drugged them.
worlock77
And how is sedating someone, thus removing any ability they have to resist, to rape them not taking them by force? Actually prostitutes were one of the things I had in mind when I said that anyone can get sex if they really want to. Simply put, if you want to get laid badly enough you can without raping someone.
Prostitution should be legal.[QUOTE="worlock77"][QUOTE="Murderstyle75"] If it was about power, they would not be sedating them but instead taking them by force. Same with Alcohol. Guys use that to get a girl so wasted that she has no idea what she was even doing or even remember. If sex was so easy, there would be no such thing as prostitutes. Sure. There are instances of rape for power but in most instances, they just want to get laid and a below average looking male can go years without sex unless its with somebody as disgusting looking as him. Most the time, rape for power is nothing more than feminist propaganda.The_Lipscomb
And how is sedating someone, thus removing any ability they have to resist, to rape them not taking them by force? Actually prostitutes were one of the things I had in mind when I said that anyone can get sex if they really want to. Simply put, if you want to get laid badly enough you can without raping someone.
Prostitution should be legal.it is in some places
Prostitution should be legal.[QUOTE="The_Lipscomb"][QUOTE="worlock77"]
And how is sedating someone, thus removing any ability they have to resist, to rape them not taking them by force? Actually prostitutes were one of the things I had in mind when I said that anyone can get sex if they really want to. Simply put, if you want to get laid badly enough you can without raping someone.
lostrib
it is in some places
I know, but it should be legeal in every state and other countries. I mean I would defeintly have no point in gaming girls.. I mean a blowjob for ten - twenty bucks? Sounds good to me.Not always. Guys don't give girls roofies at frat parties for power. The whole power thing was created by feminists since they think male-female interaction is soley about power and control. Because of this, rape must also be about power and control. Rape as power provides a political tool for feminists. Dr Trayce Hansen says it best. "Finally, and most importantly, feminists strategically concluded that if rape was perceived as motivated only by sex, then it would be of limited political value, but if instead rape was seen as motivated by male desire to dominate and control women, then it could be used as a powerful political tool for radical cultural change. Specifically, feminists decided that if they could convince society that male domination was the rapists true motivation, then the end of rape would necessarily require an end to the traditional patriarchal culture said to support that domination. Rape would become the symbolic sword that radical feminists hoped would help them slay what they perceived as the evil dragon of traditional culturetheir ultimate sociopolitical objective."[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"][QUOTE="worlock77"]
Doubtful. Rape is about power, not sex.
lostrib
That doctor also says that homosexuals are more likely to be pedophiles and that children of same sex parents face developmental problems and are most likely to become gay. And at one point when Hansen appeared as a witness in a custody trial dealing with a former lesbian and her partner, her testimony was dismissed as unqualified.
Doesn't matter. If rape was about power, attraction would be unassiciated. And most of the time before a date rape occours, the attacker has tried everything just to get on the girls pants with rape being the final option. And rape rarely ever happens to unattractive females.If it was about power, they would not be sedating them but instead taking them by force. Same with Alcohol. Guys use that to get a girl so wasted that she has no idea what she was even doing or even remember. If sex was so easy, there would be no such thing as prostitutes. Sure. There are instances of rape for power but in most instances, they just want to get laid and a below average looking male can go years without sex unless its with somebody as disgusting looking as him. Most the time, rape for power is nothing more than feminist propaganda.[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"][QUOTE="worlock77"]
It is about power and control. Sex is easy. Anyone can get sex if they really want it. Case in point: since you brought it up: roofies. What do roofies do? Render the victim powerless right? Completely at the control of the person who drugged them.
worlock77
And how is sedating someone, thus removing any ability they have to resist, to rape them not taking them by force? Actually prostitutes were one of the things I had in mind when I said that anyone can get sex if they really want to. Simply put, if you want to get laid badly enough you can without raping someone.
And yet prostitutes that most people could afford are skanky, toothless crack whores. Sex with an attractive woman through prostitution requires lots of money. Hundreds up to thousands of dollars. The Bunny Ranch charges 1500 to 3000 an hour for most girls. Mediocre looking girls cost between 400 and 500 an hour. Something your average collage date rapist just does not have.[QUOTE="worlock77"][QUOTE="Murderstyle75"] If it was about power, they would not be sedating them but instead taking them by force. Same with Alcohol. Guys use that to get a girl so wasted that she has no idea what she was even doing or even remember. If sex was so easy, there would be no such thing as prostitutes. Sure. There are instances of rape for power but in most instances, they just want to get laid and a below average looking male can go years without sex unless its with somebody as disgusting looking as him. Most the time, rape for power is nothing more than feminist propaganda.The_Lipscomb
And how is sedating someone, thus removing any ability they have to resist, to rape them not taking them by force? Actually prostitutes were one of the things I had in mind when I said that anyone can get sex if they really want to. Simply put, if you want to get laid badly enough you can without raping someone.
Prostitution should be legal.Absolutely.
[QUOTE="lostrib"][QUOTE="Murderstyle75"] Not always. Guys don't give girls roofies at frat parties for power. The whole power thing was created by feminists since they think male-female interaction is soley about power and control. Because of this, rape must also be about power and control. Rape as power provides a political tool for feminists. Dr Trayce Hansen says it best. "Finally, and most importantly, feminists strategically concluded that if rape was perceived as motivated only by sex, then it would be of limited political value, but if instead rape was seen as motivated by male desire to dominate and control women, then it could be used as a powerful political tool for radical cultural change. Specifically, feminists decided that if they could convince society that male domination was the rapists true motivation, then the end of rape would necessarily require an end to the traditional patriarchal culture said to support that domination. Rape would become the symbolic sword that radical feminists hoped would help them slay what they perceived as the evil dragon of traditional culturetheir ultimate sociopolitical objective."Murderstyle75
That doctor also says that homosexuals are more likely to be pedophiles and that children of same sex parents face developmental problems and are most likely to become gay. And at one point when Hansen appeared as a witness in a custody trial dealing with a former lesbian and her partner, her testimony was dismissed as unqualified.
Doesn't matter. If rape was about power, attraction would be unassiciated. And most of the time before a date rape occours, the attacker has tried everything just to get on the girls pants with rape being the final option. And rape rarely ever happens to unattractive females.Actually it's more likely that someone will be raped by someone they know rather than a stranger. Are you just pulling these things out of your ass because want them to be true or you think they're some feminist conspiracy?
[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]We can't allow prostitution guys because that puts women in a position of power, and we can't have that. lostrib
how does it put women in a position of power?
Money.Money.[QUOTE="Fightingfan"][QUOTE="lostrib"]
how does it put women in a position of power?
lostrib
Not if guys own the brothel
True, We could just make women 2nd class again.Doesn't matter. If rape was about power, attraction would be unassiciated. And most of the time before a date rape occours, the attacker has tried everything just to get on the girls pants with rape being the final option. And rape rarely ever happens to unattractive females.[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"][QUOTE="lostrib"]
That doctor also says that homosexuals are more likely to be pedophiles and that children of same sex parents face developmental problems and are most likely to become gay. And at one point when Hansen appeared as a witness in a custody trial dealing with a former lesbian and her partner, her testimony was dismissed as unqualified.
lostrib
Actually it's more likely that someone will be raped by someone they know rather than a stranger. Are you just pulling these things out of your ass because want them to be true or you think they're some feminist conspiracy?
It's common sense. If a man wi willing to spend thousands of dollars on sex, why wouldn't a sexual devient take it for free? Funny how rape is only about power when do many date rapes occour where the girl has no idea what is happening and there is no physical force besides sexual penetration. Not sure about your circle of friends but when mine go out to the bar on a Friday night, they are all hoping to get laid. Problem is, some sick people take this to extremes. It should be pretty clear to most men, who experience the 'male kind' of sexual desire firsthand and to women who are the targets of that desire, that men are willing to do a lot of things to get laid the consentual way. Lying is not uncommon, nor is uninvited touching in bars and at concerts. Why is it so hard to imagine that a man would be capable of going beyond mental force to use physical force to satisfy the strong desires he has? If you think I'm making this up that rape is not always about power, I suggest you look up the article called An Interplay of Individual Motivations and Sociocultural Factors Predisposing Men to Acts of Rape in Kenya. The people they studied were convicted rapists in jail. 72 guys were interviewed face-to-face.It's common sense. If a man wi willing to spend thousands of dollars on sex, why wouldn't a sexual devient take it for free? Funny how rape is only about power when do many date rapes occour where the girl has no idea what is happening and there is no physical force besides sexual penetration.Murderstyle75
Again, how do you figure it's not about power when the victim has been rendered completely powerless?
The death penalty offers roughly zero benefits to modern human society, so naturally I wouldn't support it.
NWikipedia: N is the fourteenth letter in the ISO basic Latin alphabet.
[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"] It's common sense. If a man wi willing to spend thousands of dollars on sex, why wouldn't a sexual devient take it for free? Funny how rape is only about power when do many date rapes occour where the girl has no idea what is happening and there is no physical force besides sexual penetration.worlock77
Again, how do you figure it's not about power when the victim has been rendered completely powerless?
Because the intent is to get off. I mean c'mon. With all the sexual shit in this world people get off from, sex either against a persons will or without their knowledge couldn't possibly be one of them? Gimme a break.[QUOTE="worlock77"][QUOTE="Murderstyle75"] If it was about power, they would not be sedating them but instead taking them by force. Same with Alcohol. Guys use that to get a girl so wasted that she has no idea what she was even doing or even remember. If sex was so easy, there would be no such thing as prostitutes. Sure. There are instances of rape for power but in most instances, they just want to get laid and a below average looking male can go years without sex unless its with somebody as disgusting looking as him. Most the time, rape for power is nothing more than feminist propaganda.Murderstyle75
And how is sedating someone, thus removing any ability they have to resist, to rape them not taking them by force? Actually prostitutes were one of the things I had in mind when I said that anyone can get sex if they really want to. Simply put, if you want to get laid badly enough you can without raping someone.
And yet prostitutes that most people could afford are skanky, toothless crack whores. Sex with an attractive woman through prostitution requires lots of money. Hundreds up to thousands of dollars. The Bunny Ranch charges 1500 to 3000 an hour for most girls. Mediocre looking girls cost between 400 and 500 an hour. Something your average collage date rapist just does not have. Those high prices are due to a tight market and it being legal in very few places creating a very low supply of legal prostitution. It countries where it is legal throughout the country such as Germany, you can get the same girl that would cost $1500/hour in the US for about 100 Euro/hour in germany. IT surely would create one hell of a business if it suddenly became legal in the United states[QUOTE="worlock77"][QUOTE="Murderstyle75"] It's common sense. If a man wi willing to spend thousands of dollars on sex, why wouldn't a sexual devient take it for free? Funny how rape is only about power when do many date rapes occour where the girl has no idea what is happening and there is no physical force besides sexual penetration.Murderstyle75
Again, how do you figure it's not about power when the victim has been rendered completely powerless?
Because the intent is to get off. I mean c'mon. With all the sexual shit in this world people get off from, sex either against a persons will or without their knowledge couldn't possibly be one of them? Gimme a break.There's more than just getting off involved there. Again, that's easy. There's lots of avenues one can persue if one just wants to get off. Rape is about forcing your will on someone else.
Criminals in general don't tend to...The death penalty offers roughly zero benefits to modern human society
Barbariser
[QUOTE="Barbariser"]How do you figure that?The death penalty offers roughly zero benefits to modern human society, so naturally I wouldn't support it.
lo_Pine
Let's see, no proven statistical effect on crime rates (or, if there is an effect, it isn't noticeably larger than the effect of life imprisonment), requires a high level of expense (in many cases, greater than the expense of life imprisonment) to minimize the possibility of execution of innocents and still has considerable risk of execution of innocents. Considering that "killing very bad guys because they are very bad" doesn't actually help anyone in anyway, it can easily be concluded that the death penalty doesn't offer any advantages whatsoever over life imprisonment.
[QUOTE="johnd13"]
No. There could be wrong convictions, it' s more costly and furthermore I don' t believe anyone should have the right to decide whether someone gets to live or not.
N30F3N1X
Locking someone behind bars for the rest of his life is "living" to you?
Technically it is. And it' s not like they don' t deserve it(take for example all those mass murderers). After all killing them will never give them the chance to actually consider their actions(if possible) and seek repentance.
Technically it is. And it' s not like they don' t deserve it(take for example all those mass murderers). After all killing them will never give them the chance to actually consider their actions(if possible) and seek repentance.
johnd13
"Technically"? Don't make me laugh.
You support killing a person by both preventing him to live and preventing him from dying rather than just killing him and be done with it...sounds cruel to me. Also what good is allowing them to seek repentance if they are not given the chance to do something right?
[QUOTE="johnd13"]
Technically it is. And it' s not like they don' t deserve it(take for example all those mass murderers). After all killing them will never give them the chance to actually consider their actions(if possible) and seek repentance.
N30F3N1X
"Technically"? Don't make me laugh.
You support killing a person by both preventing him to live and preventing him from dying rather than just killing him and be done with it...sounds cruel to me. Also what good is allowing them to seek repentance if they are not given the chance to do something right?
If they would prefer to die rather than live the rest of their lives in a cell then it' s their choice and only theirs. I wouldn' t have a problem with that. I' m arguing that other people(authorities) should not have that power.
And the fact that they' re not given a chance to do sth right stems from the penitentiary system itself. Which let' s face it sucks.
If they would prefer to die rather than live the rest of their lives in a cell then it' s their choice and only theirs. I wouldn' t have a problem with that. I' m arguing that other people(authorities) should not have that power.
And the fact that they' re not given a chance to do sth right stems from the penitentiary system itself. Which let' s face it sucks.
johnd13
I had not considered giving the choice to the individual after sentencing him to jail for life. In that scenario I could definitely share your position.
[QUOTE="Barbariser"]
The death penalty offers roughly zero benefits to modern human society, so naturally I wouldn't support it.
GD1551
Of course it does, tax payers no longer have to spend money housing the scum of the earth.
Except that a death row inmate costs more taxpayer money than someone who's in prison for life.[QUOTE="GD1551"][QUOTE="Barbariser"]
The death penalty offers roughly zero benefits to modern human society, so naturally I wouldn't support it.
PannicAtack
Of course it does, tax payers no longer have to spend money housing the scum of the earth.
Except that a death row inmate costs more taxpayer money than someone who's in prison for life. The Appeals process does....if we eliminate that the cost goes down....[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="GD1551"]Except that a death row inmate costs more taxpayer money than someone who's in prison for life. The Appeals process does....if we eliminate that the cost goes down.... Sure, but at the cost of more innocent lives.Of course it does, tax payers no longer have to spend money housing the scum of the earth.
LJS9502_basic
[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="GD1551"]Except that a death row inmate costs more taxpayer money than someone who's in prison for life. The Appeals process does....if we eliminate that the cost goes down.... Which would probably result in more wrongful executions.Of course it does, tax payers no longer have to spend money housing the scum of the earth.
LJS9502_basic
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"] Except that a death row inmate costs more taxpayer money than someone who's in prison for life.PannicAtackThe Appeals process does....if we eliminate that the cost goes down.... Which would probably result in more wrongful executions.
Limit it to one or two appeals, simple enough.
Which would probably result in more wrongful executions.[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] The Appeals process does....if we eliminate that the cost goes down....GD1551
Limit it to one or two appeals, simple enough.
That does fvck all. There have been many cases where a death row prisoner was exonerated decades later.[QUOTE="lostrib"][QUOTE="Murderstyle75"] Doesn't matter. If rape was about power, attraction would be unassiciated. And most of the time before a date rape occours, the attacker has tried everything just to get on the girls pants with rape being the final option. And rape rarely ever happens to unattractive females.Murderstyle75
Actually it's more likely that someone will be raped by someone they know rather than a stranger. Are you just pulling these things out of your ass because want them to be true or you think they're some feminist conspiracy?
It's common sense. If a man wi willing to spend thousands of dollars on sex, why wouldn't a sexual devient take it for free? Funny how rape is only about power when do many date rapes occour where the girl has no idea what is happening and there is no physical force besides sexual penetration. Not sure about your circle of friends but when mine go out to the bar on a Friday night, they are all hoping to get laid. Problem is, some sick people take this to extremes. It should be pretty clear to most men, who experience the 'male kind' of sexual desire firsthand and to women who are the targets of that desire, that men are willing to do a lot of things to get laid the consentual way. Lying is not uncommon, nor is uninvited touching in bars and at concerts. Why is it so hard to imagine that a man would be capable of going beyond mental force to use physical force to satisfy the strong desires he has? If you think I'm making this up that rape is not always about power, I suggest you look up the article called An Interplay of Individual Motivations and Sociocultural Factors Predisposing Men to Acts of Rape in Kenya. The people they studied were convicted rapists in jail. 72 guys were interviewed face-to-face.You are serioulsy just pulling stuff out of your ass
[QUOTE="GD1551"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"] Which would probably result in more wrongful executions.Rich3232
Limit it to one or two appeals, simple enough.
That does fvck all. There have been many cases where a death row prisoner was exonerated decades later. That was before the prevalence of DNA evidence which now can exonerate at trail. Next. Though what percentage is a many?It's common sense. If a man wi willing to spend thousands of dollars on sex, why wouldn't a sexual devient take it for free? Funny how rape is only about power when do many date rapes occour where the girl has no idea what is happening and there is no physical force besides sexual penetration. Not sure about your circle of friends but when mine go out to the bar on a Friday night, they are all hoping to get laid. Problem is, some sick people take this to extremes. It should be pretty clear to most men, who experience the 'male kind' of sexual desire firsthand and to women who are the targets of that desire, that men are willing to do a lot of things to get laid the consentual way. Lying is not uncommon, nor is uninvited touching in bars and at concerts. Why is it so hard to imagine that a man would be capable of going beyond mental force to use physical force to satisfy the strong desires he has? If you think I'm making this up that rape is not always about power, I suggest you look up the article called An Interplay of Individual Motivations and Sociocultural Factors Predisposing Men to Acts of Rape in Kenya. The people they studied were convicted rapists in jail. 72 guys were interviewed face-to-face.[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"][QUOTE="lostrib"]
Actually it's more likely that someone will be raped by someone they know rather than a stranger. Are you just pulling these things out of your ass because want them to be true or you think they're some feminist conspiracy?
lostrib
You are serioulsy just pulling stuff out of your ass
He does that quite a bit. Seems to think that his logic/anecdotal evidence beats all others, even the studies/research/etc of experts in those fields.[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] The Appeals process does....if we eliminate that the cost goes down....LJS9502_basicWhich would probably result in more wrongful executions. Just out of curiosity what percentage of appeals have changed guilt. Generally the appeals process deals with the court proceeding itself.
A lot of the cost comes from needing to house inmates on deathrow
[QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="GD1551"]That does fvck all. There have been many cases where a death row prisoner was exonerated decades later. That was before the prevalence of DNA evidence which now can exonerate at trail. Next. Though what percentage is a many? Despite what many like to think, most prisoners are convicted/jailed not on the basis of dna, but on the basis of other things. Any innocent person put to death is one too many for me.Limit it to one or two appeals, simple enough.
LJS9502_basic
Just out of curiosity what percentage of appeals have changed guilt. Generally the appeals process deals with the court proceeding itself.[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"] Which would probably result in more wrongful executions.lostrib
A lot of the cost comes from needing to house inmates on deathrow
Inmates are housed and cost money. But the findings on imprisonment over death row have always found the court process to be the expense.[QUOTE="lostrib"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Just out of curiosity what percentage of appeals have changed guilt. Generally the appeals process deals with the court proceeding itself.LJS9502_basic
A lot of the cost comes from needing to house inmates on deathrow
Inmates are housed and cost money. But the findings on imprisonment over death row have always found the court process to be the expense.In california alone, it costs aroun 60 million dollars extra, and since CA has only executed like 27 people, most of the deathrow inmates will end up dying in prison anyways
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