Tell me lies, Tell me sweet little lies...

I posted this on my blog recently and thought some of you might like to read it. I'm in my 30's now and although, my generation is starting to wake up a bit, I really think we're going to need help from the generation coming up behind us. So you younger guys and girls on here, even if you can't vote yet, give this a read and at least start to think about these things.

First let's watch a few videos shall we? I promise I have a point.

Of course, if you're already familiar with all of the lies, then feel free to skip over them to the rest of the post.

(All links will open in a new window)

Obama Lies

Bush Administration Lies

Clinton Lies

Bush Sr. Lies

Reagan Lies

Ok, so are we starting to see a pattern here yet?

The point of this isn't what they lied about or what was the "worst" lie. The point is a lie is a lie is a lie.

In fact, I think you'd have a hard time finding very many presidents in our entire history that haven't blatantly lied to the American people at least once. So I guess my question is, why do we put up with it? You might even say, "What are we suppose to do? They all lie. We have to vote for someone."

Well let's look at another list. This time, our voting habits by party going back...oh let's say, 100 years. That's a nice round number right? Starting with our current Commander-in-Chief.

Barack Obama, 2009- (Democrat)

George W. Bush, 2001- 2009 (Republican)

Bill Clinton, 1993- 2001(Democrat)

George Bush Sr., 1989-1993 (Republican)

Ronald Reagan, 1981-89 (Republican)

Jimmy Carter, 1977-81 (Democrat)

Gerald Ford , 1974-77 (Republican)

Richard Nixon, 1969-74 (Republican)

Lyndon Johnson, 1963-69 (Democrat)

John Kennedy, 1961-63 (Democrat)

Dwight Eisenhower, 1953-61 (Republican)

Harry Truman, 1945-53 (Democrat)

Franklin Roosevelt, 1933-45 (Democrat)

Herbert Hoover, 1929-33 (Republican)

Calvin Coolidge, 1923-29 (Republican)

Warren Harding, 1921-23 (Republican)

Woodrow Wilson, 1913-21 (Democrat)

William Taft, 1909-13 (Republican)

Ok, I decided going back 100 years was long enough to prove a point.

The fact is, we have to go back to our 13th president, Millard Fillmore, elected in 1850 as a member of the Whig party, to find a president that wasn't a member of one of the two major parties. With a few exceptions, we follow almost the exact same pattern throughout history. We elect a Republican, then we realize they didn't do what they said they would, so we elect a Democrat next, same thing happens with them, so we elect a Republican the next time around. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

Have you ever stopped to think that maybe, just maybe, it doesn't matter who you vote for? Republican or Democrat, they're just two sides of the same coin. Raised in the same families and social circles. Educated in the same colleges, fraternities and secret societies. Beholden to the same corporations and special interests. Have you ever thought for just one moment that all of these professional politicians don't care anything about you at all?

Does it not seem at times that it's almost scripted the way the two parties go back and forth? Do either of the parties ever really accomplish anything other than to divide the country and force people to pick a side?

We have all heard the saying, "Together we stand, Divided we fall" and the quote from Mark 3:25 in the Bible "And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand." Both of these statements are so true and if you can't see that BOTH political parties in this country are to blame for year after year, doing everything in their power to keep this country divided right down the middle, then you my friend, need to take off the blinders and wake up.

The Illusion of Choice

The primary point I'm trying to make is we have all been conditioned and deceived into believing we have a choice in this country. In reality though, a vast majority of our "choices" mean absolutely nothing. Democrat or Republican is not a choice. There may have been a time in our history when there was a difference between the two, but they merged into a two-headed monster a long time ago.

Here's another video for you. Don't dismiss the message because it's a comedian speaking. Remember a lie is a lie and the truth is the truth, no matter who's mouth it's coming out of.

George Carlin on the Illusion of Choice

"So, what can we do? Is there anything we can do?", you might ask.

Well, I'm not going to pretend to have all the answers, I'm writing this to try and get people to think and to start talking about it, not to tell anyone what to do. But, since you asked...I do think there is one thing we can do.

What if we stopped voting for them? How about we start voting for independents? Encourage people to run as independents even at smaller levels of government. I'm not saying this would solve everything overnight, but I honestly don't see how taking offices away from the two major parties on any level of government can be a bad thing. Can you imagine a congress and senate or maybe even a presidency that wasn't controlled by either major party, but instead had a majority of independents not "owned" by anyone? Can you honestly tell me that our government wouldn't get more done?

I strongly encourage anyone who reads this to give what I've said some real thought. Get out of your comfort zone. Stop believing everything you're told. Think for yourself. Our access to information in this age is unparalleled to any time in history. Take advantage of it. Read. Research. Investigate. Stop letting politicians divide us against each other and start seeing who the real enemy is. I can promise you it's not your Democrat neighbor or your Republican boss. It's not "those white people" or "those black people", or dare I say even "those brown people wearing turbans"

The real enemies are the politicians who keep us at odds with each other over things that really don't matter at the end of the day. The real enemies are the politicians who look into cameras on a daily basis and lie to us in order to further their own agendas and enlarge the bank accounts of themselves and their friends.

The bottom line is they only have power because we give it to them. Never forget that.

FIne then....

You're so special, and everyone around you loves/respects you.

i read all of that. just lettign you know.

I can't tell whether or not you're seriously claiming that if only we had a president from a different political party, then that president would never tell a single lie.

i read all of that. just lettign you know.

needled24-7

Me too. unfortunately, I am not American.

But you're right though. It would have to start small. But over time, if we had a bunch of fresh blood in there it could really shake things up.

I can't tell whether or not you're seriously claiming that if only we had a president from a different political party, then that president would never tell a single lie.

GabuEx

I posted this on my blog recently and thought some of you might like to read it. I'm in my 30's now and although, my generation is starting to wake up a bit, I really think we're going to need help from the generation coming up behind us. So you younger guys and girls on here, even if you can't vote yet, give this a read and at least start to think about these things.

First let's watch a few videos shall we? I promise I have a point.

Of course, if you're already familiar with all of the lies, then feel free to skip over them to the rest of the post.

(All links will open in a new window)

Obama Lies

Bush Administration Lies

Clinton Lies

Bush Sr. Lies

Reagan Lies

Ok, so are we starting to see a pattern here yet?

The point of this isn't what they lied about or what was the "worst" lie. The point is a lie is a lie is a lie.

In fact, I think you'd have a hard time finding very many presidents in our entire history that haven't blatantly lied to the American people at least once. So I guess my question is, why do we put up with it? You might even say, "What are we suppose to do? They all lie. We have to vote for someone."

Well let's look at another list. This time, our voting habits by party going back...oh let's say, 100 years. That's a nice round number right? Starting with our current Commander-in-Chief.

Barack Obama, 2009- (Democrat)

George W. Bush, 2001- 2009 (Republican)

Bill Clinton, 1993- 2001(Democrat)

George Bush Sr., 1989-1993 (Republican)

Ronald Reagan, 1981-89 (Republican)

Jimmy Carter, 1977-81 (Democrat)

Gerald Ford , 1974-77 (Republican)

Richard Nixon, 1969-74 (Republican)

Lyndon Johnson, 1963-69 (Democrat)

John Kennedy, 1961-63 (Democrat)

Dwight Eisenhower, 1953-61 (Republican)

Harry Truman, 1945-53 (Democrat)

Franklin Roosevelt, 1933-45 (Democrat)

Herbert Hoover, 1929-33 (Republican)

Calvin Coolidge, 1923-29 (Republican)

Warren Harding, 1921-23 (Republican)

Woodrow Wilson, 1913-21 (Democrat)

William Taft, 1909-13 (Republican)

Ok, I decided going back 100 years was long enough to prove a point.

The fact is, we have to go back to our 13th president, Millard Fillmore, elected in 1850 as a member of the Whig party, to find a president that wasn't a member of one of the two major parties. With a few exceptions, we follow almost the exact same pattern throughout history. We elect a Republican, then we realize they didn't do what they said they would, so we elect a Democrat next, same thing happens with them, so we elect a Republican the next time around. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

Have you ever stopped to think that maybe, just maybe, it doesn't matter who you vote for? Republican or Democrat, they're just two sides of the same coin. Raised in the same families and social circles. Educated in the same colleges, fraternities and secret societies. Beholden to the same corporations and special interests. Have you ever thought for just one moment that all of these professional politicians don't care anything about you at all?

Does it not seem at times that it's almost scripted the way the two parties go back and forth? Do either of the parties ever really accomplish anything other than to divide the country and force people to pick a side?

We have all heard the saying, "Together we stand, Divided we fall" and the quote from Mark 3:25 in the Bible "And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand." Both of these statements are so true and if you can't see that BOTH political parties in this country are to blame for year after year, doing everything in their power to keep this country divided right down the middle, then you my friend, need to take off the blinders and wake up.

The Illusion of Choice

The primary point I'm trying to make is we have all been conditioned and deceived into believing we have a choice in this country. In reality though, a vast majority of our "choices" mean absolutely nothing. Democrat or Republican is not a choice. There may have been a time in our history when there was a difference between the two, but they merged into a two-headed monster a long time ago.

Here's another video for you. Don't dismiss the message because it's a comedian speaking. Remember a lie is a lie and the truth is the truth, no matter who's mouth it's coming out of.

George Carlin on the Illusion of Choice

"So, what can we do? Is there anything we can do?", you might ask.

Well, I'm not going to pretend to have all the answers, I'm writing this to try and get people to think and to start talking about it, not to tell anyone what to do. But, since you asked...I do think there is one thing we can do.

What if we stopped voting for them? How about we start voting for independents? Encourage people to run as independents even at smaller levels of government. I'm not saying this would solve everything overnight, but I honestly don't see how taking offices away from the two major parties on any level of government can be a bad thing. Can you imagine a congress and senate or maybe even a presidency that wasn't controlled by either major party, but instead had a majority of independents not "owned" by anyone? Can you honestly tell me that our government wouldn't get more done?

I strongly encourage anyone who reads this to give what I've said some real thought. Get out of your comfort zone. Stop believing everything you're told. Think for yourself. Our access to information in this age is unparalleled to any time in history. Take advantage of it. Read. Research. Investigate. Stop letting politicians divide us against each other and start seeing who the real enemy is. I can promise you it's not your Democrat neighbor or your Republican boss. It's not "those white people" or "those black people", or dare I say even "those brown people wearing turbans"

The real enemies are the politicians who keep us at odds with each other over things that really don't matter at the end of the day. The real enemies are the politicians who look into cameras on a daily basis and lie to us in order to further their own agendas and enlarge the bank accounts of themselves and their friends.

The bottom line is they only have power because we give it to them. Never forget that.

jnyblujns

So...I watched the little George Carlin clip, and noticed the part about him saying something like, "they don't have to make a formal conspiracy, they all went to the same universities, have the same interests, yadda yadda yadda. They have the same interests, they don't need to hold a meeting."

Now, with respect to your opening comments about how they are all LIARS, then take a second and think about what that means. If all they are doing is lying to serve their own interests, then what makes you think that Republican/Democrat has anything to do with anything? You don't think that a third party president would start lying to protect his interests as soon as he got elected?

Furthermore...as soon as someone with a chance in hell of getting elected thinks that it's worth the effort to run under a third party, then how the hell do you know that they aren't just LYING in order to get votes from people who are fed up with the two-party system? You're claiming that the REpublicans and Democrats are basically the same, that this is all the illusion of choice. And then you're sort of acting as if the ILLUSION just magically disappears once you add more "choices".

SO yeah every president lies but the point of this thread to me now is that song and how you got it stuck in my head:cry:

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

I can't tell whether or not you're seriously claiming that if only we had a president from a different political party, then that president would never tell a single lie.

jnyblujns

And what would change if a president was not from one of the two parties?

You're placing the blame in entirely the wrong place. Politicians lie because that's what we want them to do. Politicians who tell the truth are politicians with short careers. The voting public is so short-sighted, so gullible, and so stupid that they perpetually believe that this time this guy they're electing is going to single-handedly solve all the nation's problems. And if his opponent says that he won't and that that's not possible, why, he just doesn't have the American can-do spirit, and we'd best vote for the other guy.

To use an overused bit of slang... don't hate the players; hate the game.