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I think some people were under the impression that Bernie would hold strong and not do this, but I would make the argument that good politicians compromise with each other. Hillary has adopted many of Bernie's plans, and because of this he gave her his endorsement and support. In my view this is a sign that both Bernie and Hillary are good public servants. What's your view on this OT community?

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/bernie-sanders-finally-endorse-hillary-clinton-n607591

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#2  Edited By CommandoAgent
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Hillary will say anything to get elected dont think that any of Bernie polices would be taken in should Hillary win.

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What a sellout. His fans that liked him for being anti-corruption should vote against Hillary not for.

If you ever want someone like Bernie to be president, vote Trump. Not that Trump is much like Bernie but future elections will allow for a Bernie-like person to succeed if Trump makes it possible first. With a vote for Hillary you will never get the change you want and corruption will live on.

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#4  Edited By Pedro
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@brn-dn said:

What a sellout. His fans that liked him for being anti-corruption should vote against Hillary not for.

If you ever want someone like Bernie to be president, vote Trump. Not that Trump is much like Bernie but future elections will allow for a Bernie-like person to succeed if Trump makes it possible first. With a vote for Hillary you will never get the change you want and corruption will live on.

That makes no sense whatsoever.

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It was a disappointment. I can see a lot of his supporters crying of anger. I'll have to go to work and see since most of them were on his side.

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@Pedro said:
@brn-dn said:

What a sellout. His fans that liked him for being anti-corruption should vote against Hillary not for.

If you ever want someone like Bernie to be president, vote Trump. Not that Trump is much like Bernie but future elections will allow for a Bernie-like person to succeed if Trump makes it possible first. With a vote for Hillary you will never get the change you want and corruption will live on.

That makes no sense whatsoever.

Yes it does. Trump was an independent candidate and wasn't controlled by a PAC just like Bernie. If you want more people like that then a vote for Trump is necessary to show that it's possible. Voting for Hillary shows that you want corruption in politics to continue and the next election will be won by a PAC-supported candidate.

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Wonder what they had on him

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@brn-dn: why would we want a weak willed sellout that won't stick around for the full game

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@brn-dn said:

Yes it does. Trump was an independent candidate and wasn't controlled by a PAC just like Bernie. If you want more people like that then a vote for Trump is necessary to show that it's possible. Voting for Hillary shows that you want corruption in politics to continue and the next election will be won by a PAC-supported candidate.

Voting for Trump is not going to facilitate such. Your logic is rather stretching.

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@Pedro said:
@brn-dn said:

Yes it does. Trump was an independent candidate and wasn't controlled by a PAC just like Bernie. If you want more people like that then a vote for Trump is necessary to show that it's possible. Voting for Hillary shows that you want corruption in politics to continue and the next election will be won by a PAC-supported candidate.

Voting for Trump is not going to facilitate such. Your logic is rather stretching.

Look at it a different way then. A Trump presidency will unite people against him and someone like Bernie or maybe still Bernie could win the next time after seeing what happens when everyone that wants Bernie to win actually votes.

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lol what a sellout, the democrats are fucked this election.

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#13  Edited By mark1974
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I supported Bernie because he was the liberal candidate and I agreed with his views. Not because he was independent or didn't have super pacs. Now my choice is between the right of center Hillary or the not even applicable to any spectrum or philosophy or ideology candidate Trump. Unfortunately I have to pick the right of center Hillary. I hope Sanders is able to influence her some.

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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/752910855939952640

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I think that it's a good thing for him to do this. He had a great run and has probably done more then even he had to have expected so now it's time focus on the task at hand and get to supporting Hillary and the Democratic Party as a whole.

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@brn-dn said:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/752910855939952640

lol ouch.

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#17  Edited By sonic_spark
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@brn-dn said:
@Pedro said:
@brn-dn said:

What a sellout. His fans that liked him for being anti-corruption should vote against Hillary not for.

If you ever want someone like Bernie to be president, vote Trump. Not that Trump is much like Bernie but future elections will allow for a Bernie-like person to succeed if Trump makes it possible first. With a vote for Hillary you will never get the change you want and corruption will live on.

That makes no sense whatsoever.

Yes it does. Trump was an independent candidate and wasn't controlled by a PAC just like Bernie. If you want more people like that then a vote for Trump is necessary to show that it's possible. Voting for Hillary shows that you want corruption in politics to continue and the next election will be won by a PAC-supported candidate.

You're willing to deal with Trump for 4 years, with the glimmer of hope another Bernie will come along? The logic...

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Do you think Bernie was ever actually trying to win?

Maybe he's always been in Clinton's pocket

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What a guy, i really wanted him for president. Clinton, i just can't seem to say yes. Something just don't compute ?

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#20 brn-dn
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@sonic_spark said:
@brn-dn said:
@Pedro said:
@brn-dn said:

What a sellout. His fans that liked him for being anti-corruption should vote against Hillary not for.

If you ever want someone like Bernie to be president, vote Trump. Not that Trump is much like Bernie but future elections will allow for a Bernie-like person to succeed if Trump makes it possible first. With a vote for Hillary you will never get the change you want and corruption will live on.

That makes no sense whatsoever.

Yes it does. Trump was an independent candidate and wasn't controlled by a PAC just like Bernie. If you want more people like that then a vote for Trump is necessary to show that it's possible. Voting for Hillary shows that you want corruption in politics to continue and the next election will be won by a PAC-supported candidate.

You're willing to deal with Trump for 4 years, with the glimmer of hope another Bernie will come along? The logic...

I'm a Trump supporter...

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Good stuff.

I admire Bernie's stances and hopefully they will impact Hillary's, good move for the Democratic party and this will swing some Bernie supporters to her side, despite what people say here.

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#22 N64DD
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Bernie Sanders endorsing Crooked Hillary Clinton is like Occupy Wall Street endorsing Goldman Sachs.

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@n64dd: way to have an original opinion.

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@n64dd: You are the most warped, right wing loser I have seen on GS. Dude go outside and meet real people. I guarantee you are barely over the age to post here, and I not old enough to vote.

That being said, I actually agree with your post. Hiliary won;t change, and Bernie is only doing this so Trump won't win.

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#25  Edited By mrbojangles25
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@Pedro said:
@brn-dn said:

What a sellout. His fans that liked him for being anti-corruption should vote against Hillary not for.

If you ever want someone like Bernie to be president, vote Trump. Not that Trump is much like Bernie but future elections will allow for a Bernie-like person to succeed if Trump makes it possible first. With a vote for Hillary you will never get the change you want and corruption will live on.

That makes no sense whatsoever.

it's really really weird logic, but it makes sense if you're the liberal emotional (Sanders) type, and the hateful emotional candidate (Trump) becomes your only option. If you use your brain, Hillary is obviously the only good choice, but if you vote by your emotions, it's either Sanders or Trump (and now it is only Trump).

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@brn-dn said:

Look at it a different way then. A Trump presidency will unite people against him and someone like Bernie or maybe still Bernie could win the next time after seeing what happens when everyone that wants Bernie to win actually votes.

I don't see the wisdom in making a bad choice in hope that a better choice would come along in the future.

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@mrbojangles25 said:
@Pedro said:
@brn-dn said:

What a sellout. His fans that liked him for being anti-corruption should vote against Hillary not for.

If you ever want someone like Bernie to be president, vote Trump. Not that Trump is much like Bernie but future elections will allow for a Bernie-like person to succeed if Trump makes it possible first. With a vote for Hillary you will never get the change you want and corruption will live on.

That makes no sense whatsoever.

it's really really weird logic, but it makes sense if you're the liberal emotional (Sanders) type, and the hateful emotional candidate (Trump) becomes your only option. If you use your brain, Hillary is obviously the only good choice, but if you vote by your emotions, it's either Sanders or Trump (and now it is only Trump).

I wouldn't consider Hillary a "good choice." Maybe better than Trump, but not good by any means.

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@brn-dn said:
@sonic_spark said:
@brn-dn said:
@Pedro said:
@brn-dn said:

What a sellout. His fans that liked him for being anti-corruption should vote against Hillary not for.

If you ever want someone like Bernie to be president, vote Trump. Not that Trump is much like Bernie but future elections will allow for a Bernie-like person to succeed if Trump makes it possible first. With a vote for Hillary you will never get the change you want and corruption will live on.

That makes no sense whatsoever.

Yes it does. Trump was an independent candidate and wasn't controlled by a PAC just like Bernie. If you want more people like that then a vote for Trump is necessary to show that it's possible. Voting for Hillary shows that you want corruption in politics to continue and the next election will be won by a PAC-supported candidate.

You're willing to deal with Trump for 4 years, with the glimmer of hope another Bernie will come along? The logic...

I'm a Trump supporter...

My condolences

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@Pedro said:
@brn-dn said:

Look at it a different way then. A Trump presidency will unite people against him and someone like Bernie or maybe still Bernie could win the next time after seeing what happens when everyone that wants Bernie to win actually votes.

I don't see the wisdom in making a bad choice in hope that a better choice would come along in the future.

Let me put it this way, if the people want Trump in the house that badly, then let him have it. This Election is a bust and both Trump and Clinton aren't my favorite candidates from the start. I too wanted Bernie in the office until he bailed out.

Seriously let Trump have the big house, the U.S can end it's misery for all I care.

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lol what a sellout, the democrats are fucked this election.

So, Clinton finally gets Bernie's endorsement, which will likely help her a bit around the margins, and your conclusion is that the Democrats are fucked? Weird analysis to say the least.

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#31  Edited By GreySeal9
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@davillain- said:
@Pedro said:
@brn-dn said:

Look at it a different way then. A Trump presidency will unite people against him and someone like Bernie or maybe still Bernie could win the next time after seeing what happens when everyone that wants Bernie to win actually votes.

I don't see the wisdom in making a bad choice in hope that a better choice would come along in the future.

Let me put it this way, if the people want Trump in the house that badly, then let him have it. This Election is a bust and both Trump and Clinton aren't my favorite candidates from the start. I too wanted Bernie in the office until he bailed out.

Seriously let Trump have the big house, the U.S can end it's misery for all I care.

So you're okay if the US suffers because your favorite candidate lost? Very mature.

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#32  Edited By DaVillain  Moderator  Online
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@GreySeal9: Not my fault he have up and from the things are going, the U.S doesn't even know What it wants for a President.

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AlexKidd r u ok

pls post if u r ok

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@davillain- said:

@GreySeal9: Not my fault he have up and from the things are going, the U.S doesn't even know What it wants for a President.

Not sure what you're saying in the bold.

Even if the US doesn't know what it wants for a President, how is that a good reason for the US to be "put out of its misery"? If that happened, people would suffer.

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AlexKidd r u ok

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@GreySeal9 said:
@n64dd said:

lol what a sellout, the democrats are fucked this election.

So, Clinton finally gets Bernie's endorsement, which will likely help her a bit around the margins, and your conclusion is that the Democrats are fucked? Weird analysis to say the least.

Oh no, it will benefit clinton in some ways. It's just funny Bernie supporting Hillary. I'm saying the moral compass of what I respected of what was left of the democratic party has vaporized. Bernie actually appeared to be a legit person who actually cared about somebody, then he endorsed Hillary and went against everything he believes in.

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#37  Edited By GreySeal9
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@n64dd said:
@GreySeal9 said:
@n64dd said:

lol what a sellout, the democrats are fucked this election.

So, Clinton finally gets Bernie's endorsement, which will likely help her a bit around the margins, and your conclusion is that the Democrats are fucked? Weird analysis to say the least.

Oh no, it will benefit clinton in some ways. It's just funny Bernie supporting Hillary. I'm saying the moral compass of what I respected of what was left of the democratic party has vaporized. Bernie actually appeared to be a legit person who actually cared about somebody, then he endorsed Hillary and went against everything he believes in.

He might have endorsed her because Trump is so awful. If the Republicans had a normal candidate, he might have not endorsed her.

Also, the Republicans are about to nominate candidate who doesn't even believe in conservative principles and has changed his positions multiple times on almost every issue, so they must he double fucked.

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So much for being principled.

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@Pedro said:
@brn-dn said:

What a sellout. His fans that liked him for being anti-corruption should vote against Hillary not for.

If you ever want someone like Bernie to be president, vote Trump. Not that Trump is much like Bernie but future elections will allow for a Bernie-like person to succeed if Trump makes it possible first. With a vote for Hillary you will never get the change you want and corruption will live on.

That makes no sense whatsoever.

I think he's saying Trump will burn it all to the ground.

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#41  Edited By djura
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@Serraph105 said:

I think some people were under the impression that Bernie would hold strong and not do this, but I would make the argument that good politicians compromise with each other. Hillary has adopted many of Bernie's plans, and because of this he gave her his endorsement and support. In my view this is a sign that both Bernie and Hillary are good public servants. What's your view on this OT community?

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/bernie-sanders-finally-endorse-hillary-clinton-n607591

I agree with your assessment, for the most part. I actually watched Bernie's speech in its entirety, and he made it very clear that the two campaigns had been working together and had established a good middle-ground - this obviously involves Clinton officially adopting numerous of Sanders' policy positions.

So, what we are left with - and I think this is important - is not only a unified message that can tackle Trump, but also we're left with a party platform that has been heavily influenced by Sanders and is actually going to satisfy the largest number of Democratic voters (whether they know it or not).

It's hard to argue against that. All I see now is a lot of personal attacks and misinformation flying around about both Clinton and Sanders as individual people. This is unhelpful at best.

One thing I really can't understand, though, is a Bernie supporter who will now not vote at all because they have a "Bernie or bust" mentality. That makes zero sense to me, especially if you are about evidence-based policy rather than individual personalities (I suspect few people really subscribe to this, despite what they say).

At this point, every sane person should be pushing hard for a Democratic win, because the alternative is Trump. So it's not even about "who is the best candidate" now, it's quite literally about keeping an insane despot from the White House.

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http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/dem-primaries/287472-sanders-delegates-to-hold-fart-in-protest-at-convention

There it is, ladies and gentleman. See how far the termites have spread, and how well they have dined.

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Further proof why Trump is best candidate.

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@GreySeal9 said:
@n64dd said:
@GreySeal9 said:
@n64dd said:

lol what a sellout, the democrats are fucked this election.

So, Clinton finally gets Bernie's endorsement, which will likely help her a bit around the margins, and your conclusion is that the Democrats are fucked? Weird analysis to say the least.

Oh no, it will benefit clinton in some ways. It's just funny Bernie supporting Hillary. I'm saying the moral compass of what I respected of what was left of the democratic party has vaporized. Bernie actually appeared to be a legit person who actually cared about somebody, then he endorsed Hillary and went against everything he believes in.

He might have endorsed her because Trump is so awful. If the Republicans had a normal candidate, he might have not endorsed her.

Also, the Republicans are about to nominate candidate who doesn't even believe in conservative principles and has changed his positions multiple times on almost every issue, so they must he double fucked.

Hillary was the embodiment of what he was against. Spin it all you want, he sold out.

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I watched part of her speech (before I became physically nauseous) . The whole "free college, we're united now" rhetoric was hilarious.

#Trump2016

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Hillary has definitely fooled the American people. They shall suffer the consequences.

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#47 DrSpoon
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Forgive my ignorance (not in the US and dont understand how the system works there), but does it really matter if he has or even if he had not endorsed her? Does it make much difference politically speaking???

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#48  Edited By AFBrat77
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....and what pray tell are these consequences? attention to climate change issues, better healthcare, increase in the minimum wage, better standing with the rest of the world and international relations, more progression in the Supreme Court, lowering education costs, a movement towards equality for all Americans, a steadier hand at the helm, and the ability to reach across the aisle and get things done? Because that's what she's gonna be and do.

How about Trump? He has been even more a liar, racist, and he will let others run his administration because he doesn't know much about issues, so he isn't much of a leader. Our standing in the world will degrade. All this attention on Hillary, but why won't he release his tax information? The guy has actually said that Hillary would make a great president. What can we believe from this con artist with no details on the issues?

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@drspoon:

Yes, he has a sway over many Americans, particularly millenials, and could push their vote in a direction. He does not want Trump do be president, and he realizes a vote for Johnson is a vote that will benefit Trump. Sanders recognizes Hillary is the best choice, however imperfect.

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#50 mattbbpl
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Why wouldn't he? He negotiated with Clinton's camp to incorporate many of his ideas into the party platform, and he pushed her proposals on the stump significantly closer to his during the campaign. The alternative is Trump who only vaguely approaches his platform on trade policy.