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#1 Dahamu
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I have a webseries called kuestion a day, this episode I asked if Muslim wearing veils should be banned! I am almost in most discussed so PLEASE COMMENT!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsKnRUdMBMY

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#2 TehAirHendrix
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Um someone's racist, I can smell it.
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#3 Dahamu
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No im not racist...im just asking the question and I actually belivie they shouldnt

Also it wouldnt be called racist..muslim is not a race it's a religion

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Im not very religious, but I used to study Islam, and theres nothing wrong with it. end of story.
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women do kinda control things in America but they think if they throw a rock in a pond it will not cause ripples. Hillary Clinton and Sandra Bullock kinda scare me in a Orwellian way.
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#6 Dahamu
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I agree!
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women do kinda control things in America but they think if they throw a rock in a pond it will not cause ripples. Hillary Clinton and Sandra Bullock kinda scare me in a Orwellian way.Varese_basic
Thanks for the random information
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[QUOTE="Varese_basic"]women do kinda control things in America but they think if they throw a rock in a pond it will not cause ripples. Hillary Clinton and Sandra Bullock kinda scare me in a Orwellian way.Dahamu
Thanks for the random information

why is it random? isn't the reason why muslim women have to wear veils is because the muslims beleive women are the soul of a country?
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No, just no no no. Banning such cultural practices in America is just plain rediculous. It seems to me that some people are trying to stake FAR too large of a cultural claim on the United States, which seems like the antithesis of what the US should be about.
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[QUOTE="Dahamu"][QUOTE="Varese_basic"]women do kinda control things in America but they think if they throw a rock in a pond it will not cause ripples. Hillary Clinton and Sandra Bullock kinda scare me in a Orwellian way.Varese_basic
Thanks for the random information

why is it random? isn't the reason why muslim women have to wear veils is because the muslims beleive women are the soul of a country?

 It's so men would feel in control...

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There was a case of a Florida woman who refused to remove her veil for her driver's licence picture a couple years back. I believe she ultimately lost the battle.
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if the people wearing it have more of an  educated opinion on the subject...then i'd consider that.  otherwise, i don't know with any certainty.  the sexist implications wherewithal are considerable, but i don't think that we (comparatively speaking) should in our limited judgement on this particular subject make that claim.  I don't like it...but many muslim women are (according to them) quite supportive of the practice.
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There was a case of a Florida woman who refused to remove her veil for her driver's licence picture a couple years back. I believe she ultimately lost the battle. Matthew_Kaeser

 

Well it's just a tradition..has nothing to do with religion..therefore the US wasn't stepping over the line. 

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No, just no no no. Banning such cultural practices in America is just plain rediculous. It seems to me that some people are trying to stake FAR too large of a cultural claim on the United States, which seems like the antithesis of what the US should be about. Schwah
Well maybe the muslims are right about women.
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[QUOTE="Schwah"]No, just no no no. Banning such cultural practices in America is just plain rediculous. It seems to me that some people are trying to stake FAR too large of a cultural claim on the United States, which seems like the antithesis of what the US should be about. Varese_basic
Well maybe the muslims are right about women.

Yes isn't america the land of the free?
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There was a case of a Florida woman who refused to remove her veil for her driver's licence picture a couple years back. I believe she ultimately lost the battle. Matthew_Kaeser
I think it's different in that case, because it allows you to fully see the person. But in essence, banning their headgear would be the same as banning the jewish hat thing *sorry, can't think of the name*
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[QUOTE="Matthew_Kaeser"]There was a case of a Florida woman who refused to remove her veil for her driver's licence picture a couple years back. I believe she ultimately lost the battle. disc0very
I think it's different in that case, because it allows you to fully see the person. But in essence, banning their headgear would be the same as banning the jewish hat thing *sorry, can't think of the name*

 

No it wouldn't, One is religious and the other is strictly a tradition... 

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[QUOTE="Matthew_Kaeser"]There was a case of a Florida woman who refused to remove her veil for her driver's licence picture a couple years back. I believe she ultimately lost the battle. a55assin

 

Well it's just a tradition..has nothing to do with religion..therefore the US wasn't stepping over the line. 

No it's not a tradition...it's part of their religion
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[QUOTE="Schwah"]No, just no no no. Banning such cultural practices in America is just plain rediculous. It seems to me that some people are trying to stake FAR too large of a cultural claim on the United States, which seems like the antithesis of what the US should be about. Varese_basic
Well maybe the muslims are right about women.

Touche. Let me rephrase that... cultural practices that don't infringe on the rights of others. That's what America has been about and that's the direction we're heading. Gay marriage being the next inevitable example.

There will always be some exceptions, I know, but it seems that much of our recently proposed policy is based on fear, ethnocentricity and misunderstanding rather than sound, fair and practical decision-making. That's just me though.

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[QUOTE="a55assin"]

[QUOTE="Matthew_Kaeser"]There was a case of a Florida woman who refused to remove her veil for her driver's licence picture a couple years back. I believe she ultimately lost the battle. Dahamu

 

Well it's just a tradition..has nothing to do with religion..therefore the US wasn't stepping over the line.

No it's not a tradition...it's part of their religion

 

No it's not. I have many Islamic friends...it's a tradition... 

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[QUOTE="Varese_basic"][QUOTE="Dahamu"][QUOTE="Varese_basic"]women do kinda control things in America but they think if they throw a rock in a pond it will not cause ripples. Hillary Clinton and Sandra Bullock kinda scare me in a Orwellian way.a55assin

Thanks for the random information

why is it random? isn't the reason why muslim women have to wear veils is because the muslims beleive women are the soul of a country?

 It's so men would feel in control...

Men aren't in control in America, they're sheep. Oh women like outlaws. Guess what, I'm gangsta. not really
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#22 Varese_basic
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[QUOTE="Varese_basic"][QUOTE="Schwah"]No, just no no no. Banning such cultural practices in America is just plain rediculous. It seems to me that some people are trying to stake FAR too large of a cultural claim on the United States, which seems like the antithesis of what the US should be about. Dahamu
Well maybe the muslims are right about women.

Yes isn't america the land of the free?

Women earned their status but they forgot about it and now its, GIRLS GONE WILD!
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[QUOTE="Dahamu"][QUOTE="Varese_basic"][QUOTE="Schwah"]No, just no no no. Banning such cultural practices in America is just plain rediculous. It seems to me that some people are trying to stake FAR too large of a cultural claim on the United States, which seems like the antithesis of what the US should be about. Varese_basic
Well maybe the muslims are right about women.

Yes isn't america the land of the free?

Women earned their status but they forgot about it and now its, GIRLS GONE WILD!

 

in some ways...i get your point, and that's unfortunate for those who fall into that certain stated and implied category.

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well if they want to wear those things, why stop them?
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well if they want to wear those things, why stop them?Def_Jef88

 

I don't think they like wearing those things when it's 90 outside. 

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[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"]well if they want to wear those things, why stop them?a55assin

 

I don't think they like wearing those things when it's 90 outside.

they might.:P
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[QUOTE="a55assin"]

[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"]well if they want to wear those things, why stop them?Def_Jef88

 

I don't think they like wearing those things when it's 90 outside.

they might.:P

 

Not really...but whatever. 

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[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="a55assin"]

[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"]well if they want to wear those things, why stop them?a55assin

 

I don't think they like wearing those things when it's 90 outside.

they might.:P

 

Not really...but whatever.

no ones makeing them.  If they really dont want to, they can just stop wearing them, eh?
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[QUOTE="a55assin"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="a55assin"]

[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"]well if they want to wear those things, why stop them?Def_Jef88

 

I don't think they like wearing those things when it's 90 outside.

they might.:P

 

Not really...but whatever.

no ones makeing them. If they really dont want to, they can just stop wearing them, eh?

 

Yes..but in their heads...that would mean disrespect to their men.  

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Why would it be banned? They have every right to wear a veil. It's not even a matter of religion, why ban a piece of clothing?
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[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="a55assin"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="a55assin"]

[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"]well if they want to wear those things, why stop them?a55assin

 

I don't think they like wearing those things when it's 90 outside.

they might.:P

 

Not really...but whatever.

no ones makeing them. If they really dont want to, they can just stop wearing them, eh?

 

Yes..but in their heads...that would mean disrespect to their men.

thats their own personal problem, not the US governments
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[QUOTE="a55assin"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="a55assin"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="a55assin"]

[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"]well if they want to wear those things, why stop them?Def_Jef88

 

I don't think they like wearing those things when it's 90 outside.

they might.:P

 

Not really...but whatever.

no ones makeing them. If they really dont want to, they can just stop wearing them, eh?

 

Yes..but in their heads...that would mean disrespect to their men.

thats their own personal problem, not the US governments

 

True...but alot of the younger generation is droping this pointless tradition. Why not wait..it will solve it's self eventually. 

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[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="a55assin"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="a55assin"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="a55assin"]

[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"]well if they want to wear those things, why stop them?a55assin

 

I don't think they like wearing those things when it's 90 outside.

they might.:P

 

Not really...but whatever.

no ones makeing them. If they really dont want to, they can just stop wearing them, eh?

 

Yes..but in their heads...that would mean disrespect to their men.

thats their own personal problem, not the US governments

 

True...but alot of the younger generation is droping this pointless tradition. Why not wait..it will solve it's self eventually.

exactly, thats why they shouldnt ban it.   People will realize its pointless on their own eventually
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[QUOTE="a55assin"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="a55assin"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="a55assin"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="a55assin"]

[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"]well if they want to wear those things, why stop them?Def_Jef88

 

I don't think they like wearing those things when it's 90 outside.

they might.:P

 

Not really...but whatever.

no ones makeing them. If they really dont want to, they can just stop wearing them, eh?

 

Yes..but in their heads...that would mean disrespect to their men.

thats their own personal problem, not the US governments

 

True...but alot of the younger generation is droping this pointless tradition. Why not wait..it will solve it's self eventually.

exactly, thats why they shouldnt ban it. People will realize its pointless on their own eventually

 

exactly...oh, we were on the same side. 

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[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="a55assin"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="a55assin"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="a55assin"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="a55assin"]

[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"]well if they want to wear those things, why stop them?a55assin

 

I don't think they like wearing those things when it's 90 outside.

they might.:P

 

Not really...but whatever.

no ones makeing them. If they really dont want to, they can just stop wearing them, eh?

 

Yes..but in their heads...that would mean disrespect to their men.

thats their own personal problem, not the US governments

 

True...but alot of the younger generation is droping this pointless tradition. Why not wait..it will solve it's self eventually.

exactly, thats why they shouldnt ban it. People will realize its pointless on their own eventually

 

exactly...oh, we were on the same side.

yeah, pretty much...
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exactly, thats why they shouldnt ban it. People will realize its pointless on their own eventuallyDef_Jef88

 

but it's not pointless albeit perhaps mislead.  the point (even if disagreed by you or the quotee of yours) should be apparent and means much to those who recognize the action. 

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[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="a55assin"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="a55assin"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="a55assin"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="a55assin"]

[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"]well if they want to wear those things, why stop them?a55assin

 

I don't think they like wearing those things when it's 90 outside.

they might.:P

 

Not really...but whatever.

no ones makeing them. If they really dont want to, they can just stop wearing them, eh?

 

Yes..but in their heads...that would mean disrespect to their men.

thats their own personal problem, not the US governments

 

True...but alot of the younger generation is droping this pointless tradition. Why not wait..it will solve it's self eventually.

exactly, thats why they shouldnt ban it. People will realize its pointless on their own eventually

 

exactly...oh, we were on the same side. 

Actually it's not a tradation! Do you know what a tradation is? It's part of their religion where muslim women most be covered for modesty...some women are killed over it in islamic countries..that woudnt happen for a tradation..which is why it shouldnt be banned..that's discrimnating against a religion
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[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"]exactly, thats why they shouldnt ban it. People will realize its pointless on their own eventuallyNathanHawkins

 

but it's not pointless albeit perhaps mislead. the point (even if disagreed by you or the quotee of yours) should be apparent and means much to those who recognize the action.

either way, the government isnt there to tell people what is right and wrong, they can do it themselves...
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[QUOTE="a55assin"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="a55assin"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="a55assin"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="a55assin"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="a55assin"]

[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"]well if they want to wear those things, why stop them?Dahamu

 

I don't think they like wearing those things when it's 90 outside.

they might.:P

 

Not really...but whatever.

no ones makeing them. If they really dont want to, they can just stop wearing them, eh?

 

Yes..but in their heads...that would mean disrespect to their men.

thats their own personal problem, not the US governments

 

True...but alot of the younger generation is droping this pointless tradition. Why not wait..it will solve it's self eventually.

exactly, thats why they shouldnt ban it. People will realize its pointless on their own eventually

 

exactly...oh, we were on the same side.

Actually it's not a tradation! Do you know what a tradation is? It's part of their religion where muslim women most be covered for modesty...some women are killed over it in islamic countries..that woudnt happen for a tradation..which is why it shouldnt be banned..that's discrimnating against a religion

 

It's a tradition...trust me. It was a part of the religion a VERY long time ago...it is now a tradition and nowhere in the Koran does it say that women must do that they do. Like I said before...I have MANY Islamic friends...I know more about Islam than most of you...unless of course... 

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either way, the government isnt there to tell people what is right and wrong, they can do it themselves...Def_Jef88

 

but the government is...and does so frequently. i get your point though, unfortunately for those specified...that's not the case in some instances.

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Qur'an

Islam's holy book, the Qur'an, orders Muslims to dress in a "modest" fashion. Following verses are generally interpreted as applying to all Muslim men and women.

Surah an-Nur ayah 31 says:

"'Wa qul li al-mu'minat yaghdudna min absarihinna wa yahfathna furujahunna wa laa yubdina zenatahunna illa maa thahara min haa wal-yadribna bi khumurihinna ala juyubihinna; wa laa yubdina zenatahunna illa li bu'ulatihinna aw aba'ihinna aw aba'i bu'ulatihinna aw abna'ihinna aw abna'i bu'ulatihinna aw ikhwanihinna aw bani ikhwanihinna aw bani akhawatihinna aw nisa'ihinna aw maa malakat aymanuhunna aw at-tabi'ina ghayri ulu'l-irbat min ar-rijal aw at-tifl allathina lam yathharu ala awrat an-nisa wa laa yadribna bi arjulihinna li yu'lama maa yukhfina min zenatahinna. Wa tubu ilaAllahi jami'an, ayyuha al-mu'minun la'allakum tuflihun'

And say to the faithful women to lower their gazes, and to guard their private parts, and not to display their beauty except what is apparent of it, and to extend their headcoverings (khimars) to cover their bosoms (jaybs), and not to display their beauty except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husband's fathers, or their sons, or their husband's sons, or their brothers, or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their womenfolk, or what their right hands rule (slaves), or the followers from the men who do not feel sexual desire, or the small children to whom the nakedness of women is not apparent, and not to strike their feet (on the ground) so as to make known what they hide of their adornments. And turn in repentance to Allah together, O you the faithful, in order that you are successful

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[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"] either way, the government isnt there to tell people what is right and wrong, they can do it themselves...NathanHawkins

 

but the government is...and does so frequently. i get your point though, unfortunately for those specified...that's not the case in some instances.

well, i meant as long as its not infringing on someones rights and / or some thing like rape or murder (which is a given)
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Qur'an

Islam's holy book, the Qur'an, orders Muslims to dress in a "modest" fashion. Following verses are generally interpreted as applying to all Muslim men and women.

Surah an-Nur ayah 31 says:

"'Wa qul li al-mu'minat yaghdudna min absarihinna wa yahfathna furujahunna wa laa yubdina zenatahunna illa maa thahara min haa wal-yadribna bi khumurihinna ala juyubihinna; wa laa yubdina zenatahunna illa li bu'ulatihinna aw aba'ihinna aw aba'i bu'ulatihinna aw abna'ihinna aw abna'i bu'ulatihinna aw ikhwanihinna aw bani ikhwanihinna aw bani akhawatihinna aw nisa'ihinna aw maa malakat aymanuhunna aw at-tabi'ina ghayri ulu'l-irbat min ar-rijal aw at-tifl allathina lam yathharu ala awrat an-nisa wa laa yadribna bi arjulihinna li yu'lama maa yukhfina min zenatahinna. Wa tubu ilaAllahi jami'an, ayyuha al-mu'minun la'allakum tuflihun'

And say to the faithful women to lower their gazes, and to guard their private parts, and not to display their beauty except what is apparent of it, and to extend their headcoverings (khimars) to cover their bosoms (jaybs), and not to display their beauty except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husband's fathers, or their sons, or their husband's sons, or their brothers, or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their womenfolk, or what their right hands rule (slaves), or the followers from the men who do not feel sexual desire, or the small children to whom the nakedness of women is not apparent, and not to strike their feet (on the ground) so as to make known what they hide of their adornments. And turn in repentance to Allah together, O you the faithful, in order that you are successful

Dahamu

 

Like I said,,it was a long time ago..it's simply a tradition now...it's either that or ALL my Islamic friends are idiots. 

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http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20061006/veils_headscarves_061006/20061006/

 

"The Qur'an offers no instruction for women to cover themselves head to foot."

 

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Cleary this is how they interpet it.....cleary people like you...just want it to be a tradation now..since time has passed?
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Cleary this is how they interpet it.....cleary people like you...just want it to be a tradation now..since time has passed?Dahamu

 

That is what they believe in. They don't consider it religion anymore..it's a tradition...and it's dying. 

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[QUOTE="Dahamu"]Cleary this is how they interpet it.....cleary people like you...just want it to be a tradation now..since time has passed?a55assin

 

That is what they believe in. They don't consider it religion anymore..it's a tradition...and it's dying. 

They don't consider what a religion? Wearing Veils? Islam?
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[QUOTE="a55assin"]

[QUOTE="Dahamu"]Cleary this is how they interpet it.....cleary people like you...just want it to be a tradation now..since time has passed?Dahamu

 

That is what they believe in. They don't consider it religion anymore..it's a tradition...and it's dying.

They don't consider what a religion? Wearing Veils? Islam?

YES! 

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Islam is one of the biggest religions and growing
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Islam is one of the biggest religions and growingDahamu

 

Not Islam...wearing vails..it's a tradition and it's dying.Â