Should hard working illegal Immigrants be allowed to stay?

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#1 Posted by SonyNintendoFan (527 posts) -
Those who want to work and not commit crimes?
#2 Posted by XaosII (16610 posts) -

If they pay taxes, i dont really see what the issue is.

#3 Posted by ShadowMoses900 (17081 posts) -

It's more complex than that, though I am a fan of the DREAM Act, though I'm not sure what happened to it. It seemed fair to me, it allows people who came to this country when they were younger illegaly to be granted citizenship if they work hard, pay taxes, go to college or military service etc.....

We need to fix our immigration system, it's very broken. But we also need a secure border as well, we need to set up certain rules that need to be followed. IMO we need to make LEGAL immigration process easier, while at the same time enforce our immigration laws.

As long as a person speaks and writes english, pays taxes, has no criminal record, and swears their oath to America than they should be allowed to have a fair shot at citizenship. However they have to follow the LEGAL immigration process, no excuses.

But overall I don't support illegal immigration, I understand the problems that many illegal immigrants are facing, but there is a right way to go about it and a wrong way. You have to do things the right way.

#4 Posted by 67gt500 (4621 posts) -
There are basically two ways to immigrate to a country -- the legal way and the illegal way... letting illegals remain and occupy homes and jobs that should be occupied by legal residents is an affront to every immigrant who has paid their dues and done their due diligence to earn resident status properly... the vey question of whether illegals should be allowed to stay is both ridiculous and offensive... if they broke the law in order to get in they should be treated no differently than any other criminal...
#5 Posted by Toxic-Seahorse (4136 posts) -
There are basically two ways to immigrate to a country -- the legal way and the illegal way... letting illegals remain and occupy homes and jobs that should be occupied by legal residents is an affront to every immigrant who has paid their dues and done their due diligence to earn resident status properly... the vey question of whether illegals should be allowed to stay is both ridiculous and offensive... if they broke the law in order to get in they should be treated no differently than any other criminal...67gt500
I agree with this. Allowing illegals to stay is an insult to every legal immigrant to ever enter the country.
#6 Posted by konvikt_17 (22248 posts) -

well in Illinois they can get a drivers license, so why not let them stay?

#7 Posted by scoots9 (3203 posts) -

Sure.

#8 Posted by Socialist696 (572 posts) -

It's more complex than that, though I am a fan of the DREAM Act, though I'm not sure what happened to it. It seemed fair to me, it allows people who came to this country when they were younger illegaly to be granted citizenship if they work hard, pay taxes, go to college or military service etc.....

We need to fix our immigration system, it's very broken. But we also need a secure border as well, we need to set up certain rules that need to be followed. IMO we need to make LEGAL immigration process easier, while at the same time enforce our immigration laws.

As long as a person speaks and writes english, pays taxes, has no criminal record, and swears their oath to America than they should be allowed to have a fair shot at citizenship. However they have to follow the LEGAL immigration process, no excuses.

But overall I don't support illegal immigration, I understand the problems that many illegal immigrants are facing, but there is a right way to go about it and a wrong way. You have to do things the right way.

ShadowMoses900
Good, you've stopped insulting Islam long enough to post something that makes sense.
#9 Posted by 67gt500 (4621 posts) -

If they pay taxes, i dont really see what the issue is.

XaosII
The 'issue' is that they broke the f*cking law! They're criminals! And circumvented all of the legal means to obtain resident status and/or citizenship that millions of other decent, honest hardworking tax-paying immigrants had to capitulate to... and since most illegals cant work 'legally' they tend to obtain sh!tty entry-level jobs where they pay little to no taxes or hit the streets and become criminals who pay no taxes at all and end up costing billions of wasted tax dollars in law enforcment efforts! Honestly -- I cant even believe that there are people who cant see what is so obviously, patently wrong with this... its astonishing
#10 Posted by Zeviander (9503 posts) -
As long as they pay taxes like everyone else.
#11 Posted by Socialist696 (572 posts) -
[QUOTE="XaosII"]

If they pay taxes, i dont really see what the issue is.

67gt500
The 'issue' is that they broke the f*cking law! They're criminals! And circumvented all of the legal means to obtain resident status and/or citizenship that millions of other decent, honest hardworking tax-paying immigrants had to capitulate to... and since most illegals cant work 'legally' they tend to obtain sh!tty entry-level jobs where they pay little to no taxes or hit the streets and become criminals who pay no taxes at all and end up costing billions of wasted tax dollars in law enforcment efforts! Honestly -- I cant even believe that there are people who cant see what is so obviously, patently wrong with this... its astonishing

And than they smuggle their family in or send money back for their relatives. Bad situation all around.
#12 Posted by konvikt_17 (22248 posts) -

[QUOTE="67gt500"][QUOTE="XaosII"]

If they pay taxes, i dont really see what the issue is.

Socialist696

The 'issue' is that they broke the f*cking law! They're criminals! And circumvented all of the legal means to obtain resident status and/or citizenship that millions of other decent, honest hardworking tax-paying immigrants had to capitulate to... and since most illegals cant work 'legally' they tend to obtain sh!tty entry-level jobs where they pay little to no taxes or hit the streets and become criminals who pay no taxes at all and end up costing billions of wasted tax dollars in law enforcment efforts! Honestly -- I cant even believe that there are people who cant see what is so obviously, patently wrong with this... its astonishing

And than they smuggle their family in or send money back for their relatives. Bad situation all around.

but if they made the money legally, by doing the job they were hired to do, is that really a bad situation?

they made their money by doing their job, no matter who hired them. they can spend it as they wish.

#13 Posted by Socialist696 (572 posts) -

[QUOTE="Socialist696"][QUOTE="67gt500"] The 'issue' is that they broke the f*cking law! They're criminals! And circumvented all of the legal means to obtain resident status and/or citizenship that millions of other decent, honest hardworking tax-paying immigrants had to capitulate to... and since most illegals cant work 'legally' they tend to obtain sh!tty entry-level jobs where they pay little to no taxes or hit the streets and become criminals who pay no taxes at all and end up costing billions of wasted tax dollars in law enforcment efforts! Honestly -- I cant even believe that there are people who cant see what is so obviously, patently wrong with this... its astonishingkonvikt_17

And than they smuggle their family in or send money back for their relatives. Bad situation all around.

but if they made the money legally, by doing the job they were hired to do, is that really a bad situation?

they made their money by doing their job, no matter who hired them. they can spend it as they wish.

The issue is they broke the law. No one is above the law. Especially not someone who doesn't even belong in the country legally. It not only hurts our economy, its bad for a country to have a bunch of illegals going around doing lord knows what off the record.
#14 Posted by Zeviander (9503 posts) -
they made their money by doing their job, no matter who hired them. they can spend it as they wish.konvikt_17
The problem is the abstraction of "country" entitling those born there special privileges, even if they don't work to earn them.
#15 Posted by 67gt500 (4621 posts) -
[QUOTE="67gt500"][QUOTE="XaosII"]

If they pay taxes, i dont really see what the issue is.

Socialist696
The 'issue' is that they broke the f*cking law! They're criminals! And circumvented all of the legal means to obtain resident status and/or citizenship that millions of other decent, honest hardworking tax-paying immigrants had to capitulate to... and since most illegals cant work 'legally' they tend to obtain sh!tty entry-level jobs where they pay little to no taxes or hit the streets and become criminals who pay no taxes at all and end up costing billions of wasted tax dollars in law enforcment efforts! Honestly -- I cant even believe that there are people who cant see what is so obviously, patently wrong with this... its astonishing

And than they smuggle their family in or send money back for their relatives. Bad situation all around.

Its f*cking ridiculous is what it is! Imagine you and a bunch of other people are on a plane about to take off and you find out the guy next to you didnt buy a ticket and got into the aircraft by climbing up the landing gear when nobody was looking... everyone should just be okay with this? F*ck no -- everyone would flip sh!t and deman his immediate arrest and removal from the plane! Why? Because he's a goddamned criminal, who just violated Federal Aviation law thats why! But violating Immigration Law is somehow ok?
#16 Posted by konvikt_17 (22248 posts) -

[QUOTE="konvikt_17"]

[QUOTE="Socialist696"] And than they smuggle their family in or send money back for their relatives. Bad situation all around.Socialist696

but if they made the money legally, by doing the job they were hired to do, is that really a bad situation?

they made their money by doing their job, no matter who hired them. they can spend it as they wish.

The issue is they broke the law. No one is above the law. Especially not someone who doesn't even belong in the country legally. It not only hurts our economy, its bad for a country to have a bunch of illegals going around doing lord knows what off the record.

i agree with you there.

but if the person who hires them doesnt know/doesnt care they are illegal immigrants and they(illegal immigrants) make money by doing their job, should they be reprimanded and not be able to send their well earned money to their family?

me i say since they did their job and earned their money, they sould be able to do what they wish with the money they earned.

of course this is talking about the illegal immigrants that have a legit job.

#17 Posted by Socialist696 (572 posts) -
[QUOTE="67gt500"][QUOTE="Socialist696"][QUOTE="67gt500"] The 'issue' is that they broke the f*cking law! They're criminals! And circumvented all of the legal means to obtain resident status and/or citizenship that millions of other decent, honest hardworking tax-paying immigrants had to capitulate to... and since most illegals cant work 'legally' they tend to obtain sh!tty entry-level jobs where they pay little to no taxes or hit the streets and become criminals who pay no taxes at all and end up costing billions of wasted tax dollars in law enforcment efforts! Honestly -- I cant even believe that there are people who cant see what is so obviously, patently wrong with this... its astonishing

And than they smuggle their family in or send money back for their relatives. Bad situation all around.

Its f*cking ridiculous is what it is! Imagine you and a bunch of other people are on a plane about to take off and you find out the guy next to you didnt buy a ticket and got into the aircraft by climbing up the landing gear when nobody was looking... everyone should just be okay with this? F*ck no -- everyone would flip sh!t and deman his immediate arrest and removal from the plane! Why? Because he's a goddamned criminal, who just violated Federal Aviation law thats why! But violating Immigration Law is somehow ok?

No. Thats why Border Patrol should get a extra pay everytime they shoot one of those little ****s making a dash for the American border. Criminals, the whole lot of them. Good workers or not.
#18 Posted by konvikt_17 (22248 posts) -

[QUOTE="konvikt_17"]they made their money by doing their job, no matter who hired them. they can spend it as they wish.Zeviander
The problem is the abstraction of "country" entitling those born there special privileges, even if they don't work to earn them.

indeed.

#19 Posted by SilentFireX (1951 posts) -
No. Their first act within the country was breaking the law of the country, all the while [QUOTE="Socialist696"][QUOTE="67gt500"][QUOTE="Socialist696"] And than they smuggle their family in or send money back for their relatives. Bad situation all around.

Its f*cking ridiculous is what it is! Imagine you and a bunch of other people are on a plane about to take off and you find out the guy next to you didnt buy a ticket and got into the aircraft by climbing up the landing gear when nobody was looking... everyone should just be okay with this? F*ck no -- everyone would flip sh!t and deman his immediate arrest and removal from the plane! Why? Because he's a goddamned criminal, who just violated Federal Aviation law thats why! But violating Immigration Law is somehow ok?

No. Thats why Border Patrol should get a extra pay everytime they shoot one of those little ****s making a dash for the American border. Criminals, the whole lot of them. Good workers or not.

While I'm completely against illegal immigration and support of such behavior, that is quite ridiculously extreme. Most murderers aren't even killed by the state. By what means do you justify the murder of illegal immigrants?
#20 Posted by Socialist696 (572 posts) -

No. Their first act within the country was breaking the law of the country, all the while [QUOTE="Socialist696"][QUOTE="67gt500"] Its f*cking ridiculous is what it is! Imagine you and a bunch of other people are on a plane about to take off and you find out the guy next to you didnt buy a ticket and got into the aircraft by climbing up the landing gear when nobody was looking... everyone should just be okay with this? F*ck no -- everyone would flip sh!t and deman his immediate arrest and removal from the plane! Why? Because he's a goddamned criminal, who just violated Federal Aviation law thats why! But violating Immigration Law is somehow ok?SilentFireX
No. Thats why Border Patrol should get a extra pay everytime they shoot one of those little ****s making a dash for the American border. Criminals, the whole lot of them. Good workers or not.

While I'm completely against illegal immigration and support of such behavior, that is quite ridiculously extreme. Most murderers aren't even killed by the state. By what means do you justify the murder of illegal immigrants?

I didn't mean that on serious terms. Thats beyond rational.. but you get the idea.

#21 Posted by morrisamyu (6 posts) -
i dont really see what the issue is.
#22 Posted by SilentFireX (1951 posts) -
i dont really see what the issue is. morrisamyu
Illegal immigrants' first act within the country is breaking the law. Secondly, they do not pay taxes, and yet reap the innumerable benefits of the state they've chosen to enter illegally. Furthermore, they insult every single lawful immigrant who enters the nation by circumventing the system of the nation they hope to call home.
#23 Posted by Lonelynight (30041 posts) -
if they have a job, don't commit any crimes, doesn't treat the ground as a rubbish dump, than sure.
#24 Posted by thebest31406 (3437 posts) -
I don't understand the question. Give an example of "hard working."
#25 Posted by tenaka2 (17040 posts) -

They should be returned to their country of origin using giant catapults.

#26 Posted by Socialist696 (572 posts) -

05:27:27

I don't understand the question. Give an example of "hard working."thebest31406
Revving up them trimmers and going ham on American lawns of course. And, if I may add, lawncare doesn't require a license to do. So its untaxed - legally.

#27 Posted by SirWander (5176 posts) -

If they pay taxes, i dont really see what the issue is.

XaosII

this.

I have no idea why people are so harsh against chinamen.

#28 Posted by GrindingAxe (1641 posts) -
We all agree that the immigration system is crap, so why get mad at the immigrants who go around a broken system?
#29 Posted by Socialist696 (572 posts) -
Because their fixing to be superior to us. Their economies are soaring and their catching up to us militarily/technologically.
#30 Posted by thebest31406 (3437 posts) -

05:27:27[QUOTE="thebest31406"]I don't understand the question. Give an example of "hard working."Socialist696

Revving up them trimmers and going ham on American lawns of course. And, if I may add, lawncare doesn't require a license to do. So its untaxed - legally.

I just found the question strange because I assumed that most of the undocumented wanted to work. I thought that was the point.
#31 Posted by Socialist696 (572 posts) -
[QUOTE="Socialist696"]

05:27:27[QUOTE="thebest31406"]I don't understand the question. Give an example of "hard working."thebest31406

Revving up them trimmers and going ham on American lawns of course. And, if I may add, lawncare doesn't require a license to do. So its untaxed - legally.

I just found the question strange because I assumed that most of the undocumented wanted to work. I thought that was the point.

Understandable, OP didn't really elaborate as much as he should've.
#32 Posted by junglist101 (5462 posts) -

Tbh, I don't even care anymore. The damage is done and is irreversible.

#33 Posted by XaosII (16610 posts) -

[QUOTE="XaosII"]

If they pay taxes, i dont really see what the issue is.

67gt500

The 'issue' is that they broke the f*cking law! They're criminals! And circumvented all of the legal means to obtain resident status and/or citizenship that millions of other decent, honest hardworking tax-paying immigrants had to capitulate to... and since most illegals cant work 'legally' they tend to obtain sh!tty entry-level jobs where they pay little to no taxes or hit the streets and become criminals who pay no taxes at all and end up costing billions of wasted tax dollars in law enforcment efforts! Honestly -- I cant even believe that there are people who cant see what is so obviously, patently wrong with this... its astonishing

No, i don't particularly see any issue with an illegal immigrant that comes over and gets a job that pays taxes. He's a contributing member of society.

Where exactly lies the value of legalized residency when a person would have to wait years before they are allowed to enter due to arbitrarily defined quotas, versus someone who is in the country right now but can actually contribute through taxes?

The current laws are just plain stupid. And i have a hard time seeing why you are defending them as such.

#34 Posted by CreasianDevaili (4130 posts) -

05:27:27[QUOTE="thebest31406"]I don't understand the question. Give an example of "hard working."Socialist696

Revving up them trimmers and going ham on American lawns of course. And, if I may add, lawncare doesn't require a license to do. So its untaxed - legally.

No it isn't untaxed legally. Are you purposely trying to be simple or are you too young or just a hobo? Cause you should know about taxes, even on lawncare, if you've ever done your taxes.
#35 Posted by Dogswithguns (10783 posts) -
Better than legal and did all kinds of crimes..
#36 Posted by Socialist696 (572 posts) -

[QUOTE="Socialist696"]

05:27:27[QUOTE="thebest31406"]I don't understand the question. Give an example of "hard working."CreasianDevaili

Revving up them trimmers and going ham on American lawns of course. And, if I may add, lawncare doesn't require a license to do. So its untaxed - legally.

No it isn't untaxed legally. Are you purposely trying to be simple or are you too young or just a hobo? Cause you should know about taxes, even on lawncare, if you've ever done your taxes.

Ok, know it all. Looks like someones fixing to be the next half-wit I prove wrong. For your information, I OWN a landscaping and lawncare company in Florida. I know all the insides and outs of that that business. You can operate within a city legally WITHOUT a business tax license legally. A Business Tax License costs 39.99 where I am in FL, and when you apply for when they do a home visit or a inspection of whereever you house your office. You must have records and a proper office to be approved. Once approved you gain the license to work within the city in which it is issued. You either turn in your own taxes, or hire someone to do it for you for a fee. You can upgrade your license to legally operate commercial properties for the whole county, which is a annual renewal of $299.00, but allows you to legally be hired for commercial operations by businesses such as Home Depot, a doctors office, etc etc. Residential (foreclosures, real estates, etc etc) will also more likely hire you out because with a license, you can also be insured and they will rather throw in their bet with a crew that has insurance (an additional renewal fee) over some ILLEGAL crew with no license, or insurance. Really, I suggest you not try to argue me on this one unless you own a lawncare crew yourself because I just scratched the surface for you to comprehend (becauese I doubt a halfwitted poster who just blurts things out without knowing anything about it can really put up a viable retort).

#37 Posted by bnarmz (1425 posts) -
the country was built by immigrants, If you're a productive person, I don't see a problem with you coming here.
#38 Posted by Socialist696 (572 posts) -
the country was built by immigrants, If you're a productive person, I don't see a problem with you coming here. bnarmz
This country wasn't built by immigrants. It was built by British and European settlers who MIGRATED here and settled legally. This land was actually stolen from native Americans, if anyones the rightful owners of this land its them. But thats not how it works, and history turned out different. Off topic, back on topic, regardless the laws today apply to everyone. No one is above reproach. If they don't like our laws, they should stay in their countries. I'm sure the laws of Mexico are alot fairer than America's right? This question isn't about LEGAL immigrants, its about the ones that crawl, swim, and conceal themselves to enter this country which results in a loss of jobs for American taxpayers and their kids being born here with legal status that their parents themselves never earned to right to have...it boils my blood when people cheat the system and screw the citizens over, I don't agree with it. Maybe the laws should be less imposing, but the law is the law and it needs to be followed for the well being of this country. Theres a reason the government has it that way, and I'm pretty sure its a good reason. You can't just allow people to flow into countries illegally its bad for everyone residing there and the economy.
#39 Posted by worlock77 (22547 posts) -

As long as a person speaks and writes english, pays taxes, has no criminal record, and swears their oath to America than they should be allowed to have a fair shot at citizenship. ShadowMoses900

Not relevant.

#40 Posted by -Sun_Tzu- (17384 posts) -
It shouldn't be possible to "illegally" immigrate somewhere in the first place. If the immigration system that is in place today were in place during the 19th century and the early 20th century, America would not be the melting pot that it has become.
#41 Posted by worlock77 (22547 posts) -

[QUOTE="bnarmz"]the country was built by immigrants, If you're a productive person, I don't see a problem with you coming here. Socialist696
This country wasn't built by immigrants. It was built by British and European settlers who MIGRATED here and settled legally.

There was no concept of legal or illegal immigration back then.

#42 Posted by Socialist696 (572 posts) -

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]As long as a person speaks and writes english, pays taxes, has no criminal record, and swears their oath to America than they should be allowed to have a fair shot at citizenship. worlock77

Not relevant.

No, its not considering Spanish is spoken almost as much as English these days sadly. Reminds me of what the news reporter said once....white people need to pick up the pace we can't let the hispanics carry all the weight on child births :P and he said that on national tv, ouch.

#43 Posted by worlock77 (22547 posts) -

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]As long as a person speaks and writes english, pays taxes, has no criminal record, and swears their oath to America than they should be allowed to have a fair shot at citizenship. Socialist696

Not relevant.

No, its not considering Spanish is spoken almost as much as English these days sadly. Reminds me of what the news reporter said once....white people need to pick up the pace we can't leave let the hispanics carry all the weight on child births :P

It isn't relevant because the United States does not, and never has had, any official language. And frankly, who cares which group is out-f*cking the other?

#44 Posted by bnarmz (1425 posts) -
[QUOTE="bnarmz"]the country was built by immigrants, If you're a productive person, I don't see a problem with you coming here. Socialist696
This country wasn't built by immigrants. It was built by British and European settlers who MIGRATED here and settled legally. This land was actually stolen from native Americans, if anyones the rightful owners of this land its them. But thats not how it works, and history turned out different. Off topic, back on topic, regardless the laws today apply to everyone. No one is above reproach. If they don't like our laws, they should stay in their countries. I'm sure the laws of Mexico are alot fairer than America's right? This question isn't about LEGAL immigrants, its about the ones that crawl, swim, and conceal themselves to enter this country which results in a loss of jobs for American taxpayers and their kids being born here with legal status that their parents themselves never earned to right to have...it boils my blood when people cheat the system and screw the citizens over, I don't agree with it. Maybe the laws should be less imposing, but the law is the law and it needs to be followed for the well being of this country. Theres a reason the government has it that way, and I'm pretty sure its a good reason. You can't just allow people to flow into countries illegally its bad for everyone residing there and the economy.

Europeans, slaves, and the natives built this country not just Europeans. I'm not for illigal citizenship, but feel everyone should have a right to live in this country.
#45 Posted by Socialist696 (572 posts) -
[QUOTE="Socialist696"][QUOTE="bnarmz"]the country was built by immigrants, If you're a productive person, I don't see a problem with you coming here. bnarmz
This country wasn't built by immigrants. It was built by British and European settlers who MIGRATED here and settled legally. This land was actually stolen from native Americans, if anyones the rightful owners of this land its them. But thats not how it works, and history turned out different. Off topic, back on topic, regardless the laws today apply to everyone. No one is above reproach. If they don't like our laws, they should stay in their countries. I'm sure the laws of Mexico are alot fairer than America's right? This question isn't about LEGAL immigrants, its about the ones that crawl, swim, and conceal themselves to enter this country which results in a loss of jobs for American taxpayers and their kids being born here with legal status that their parents themselves never earned to right to have...it boils my blood when people cheat the system and screw the citizens over, I don't agree with it. Maybe the laws should be less imposing, but the law is the law and it needs to be followed for the well being of this country. Theres a reason the government has it that way, and I'm pretty sure its a good reason. You can't just allow people to flow into countries illegally its bad for everyone residing there and the economy.

Europeans, slaves, and the natives built this country not just Europeans. I'm not for illigal citizenship, but feel everyone should have a right to live in this country.

You're talking about a different time period with a different set of issues, pros, and cons of the time. Its irrelevant under todays circumstance of the USA.
#46 Posted by bnarmz (1425 posts) -
[QUOTE="Socialist696"][QUOTE="bnarmz"][QUOTE="Socialist696"] This country wasn't built by immigrants. It was built by British and European settlers who MIGRATED here and settled legally. This land was actually stolen from native Americans, if anyones the rightful owners of this land its them. But thats not how it works, and history turned out different. Off topic, back on topic, regardless the laws today apply to everyone. No one is above reproach. If they don't like our laws, they should stay in their countries. I'm sure the laws of Mexico are alot fairer than America's right? This question isn't about LEGAL immigrants, its about the ones that crawl, swim, and conceal themselves to enter this country which results in a loss of jobs for American taxpayers and their kids being born here with legal status that their parents themselves never earned to right to have...it boils my blood when people cheat the system and screw the citizens over, I don't agree with it. Maybe the laws should be less imposing, but the law is the law and it needs to be followed for the well being of this country. Theres a reason the government has it that way, and I'm pretty sure its a good reason. You can't just allow people to flow into countries illegally its bad for everyone residing there and the economy.

Europeans, slaves, and the natives built this country not just Europeans. I'm not for illigal citizenship, but feel everyone should have a right to live in this country.

You're talking about a different time period with a different set of issues, pros, and cons of the time. Its irrelevant under todays circumstance of the USA.

The comment was about who built this country, It wasn't just Europeans. And, I agree with much of your stance concerning todays immigration issues.
#47 Posted by KiIIyou (27146 posts) -
Only if they stop being illegal.
#48 Posted by Socialist696 (572 posts) -
[QUOTE="Socialist696"][QUOTE="bnarmz"] Europeans, slaves, and the natives built this country not just Europeans. I'm not for illigal citizenship, but feel everyone should have a right to live in this country. bnarmz
You're talking about a different time period with a different set of issues, pros, and cons of the time. Its irrelevant under todays circumstance of the USA.

The comment was about who built this country, It wasn't just Europeans. And, I agree with much of your stance concerning todays immigration issues.

Depends on what part of original America we're talking about and the time period. True, all 3 - Natives, Europeans, and Asians had a helping hand in building the country. Through slavery (I label that under European because they bought the slaves against their will), through forced labor, through the railroads during the west (chinamen and irish), but in the end its all the building up of America. Today theres a vast variety of economic and control issues from immigration due to the sheer number of people. It hurts more than it would help productivity and progression of the country. Some states support it though, like California and Washington. Washington almost blatantly flaunts their support for it.
#49 Posted by Aljosa23 (25121 posts) -

no because then they take all da jerbs

#50 Posted by bnarmz (1425 posts) -
[QUOTE="Socialist696"][QUOTE="bnarmz"][QUOTE="Socialist696"] You're talking about a different time period with a different set of issues, pros, and cons of the time. Its irrelevant under todays circumstance of the USA.

The comment was about who built this country, It wasn't just Europeans. And, I agree with much of your stance concerning todays immigration issues.

Depends on what part of original America we're talking about and the time period. True, all 3 - Natives, Europeans, and Asians had a helping hand in building the country. Through slavery (I label that under European because they bought the slaves against their will), through forced labor, through the railroads during the west (chinamen and irish), but in the end its all the building up of America. Today theres a vast variety of economic and control issues from immigration due to the sheer number of people. It hurts more than it would help productivity and progression of the country. Some states support it though, like California and Washington. Washington almost blatantly flaunts their support for it.

agree. It is an issue, but one that needs to be dealt with delicately.