Shootings in downtown Ottawa

Apparently someone shot a soldier at the national war memorial and then shot up the inside of parliment. One gunmen dead, possibly others at large. All of downtown is locked down (including Ottawa U, where I am). Scary shit.

It is better when you provide a link:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-29724907

My bad, here's a local link

#http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/gunman-is-killed-in-ottawa-three-separate-shootings-confirmed-1.2065443

Plus something something Canadian gun laws something something US gun laws something.

But really, that BBC video of shooting inside the Parliament is scary as hell.

Edit: here it is.

Only in America... I mean..

One thing I was always kind of proud of about Canada was that we didn't need ridiculous amounts of security to feel safe. I mean hell, you can just walk into Parliment if you want to. I guess that will change now. One of the weirder experiences Ive had is watching how over a 15 minute span, my entire class went from normal, to getting super quite as more and more people got calls/messages from friends and family.

close to america.. there's bound to be some spillover..

Do you think the shooters are:

A. Fed up Canadians

B. Local criminals

C. Redneck gun toting 'Murican's

D. Muslim Extremists

E. None of the Above

D

Unfortunately, probably D. It was only two days ago that another radicalized muslim Canadian struck two Canadian Armed Forces personnel with his car (killing one) before he himself was shot and killed. That attack might have motivated this/these guy(s) to step up their attack.

FBI seems to think it's terrorism. If it is it's a pretty fucking shitty attempt. Glad they weren't able to to do much damage.

The soldier that was shot at the war memorial has died according to BBC.

Apparently there were three shooting incidents, they still don't know the amount of shooters.

Shame. Hope everyone is safe.

Once time travel becomes a reality, we can travel back in time and prevent the Chinese from inventing gun powder and all shall be well. Damned be the guns! Damned be them all!

give me the D

As per usual you're an idiot, BRHD.

Seems to me like there's a lot of finger pointing towards Muslim extremists. It appears that they have developed a reputation. Just an observation I've made. That is all.

There's a saying in my workplace: "Thank god for dumb terrorists"

Seriously.

Some sources have identified the dead gunman as Michael Zehaf-Bibeau and he may have had connections to ISIS. Lookin like D was the right, if predictable, answer.

Hopefully this will inspire more action against ISIS rather than the opposite direction.

the religion of peace strikes again

Most recorded shootings have been done by atheists.

false flag attack to strip rights from Canadians

Any proof?

Yeah I didn't think so. You're such a scumbag.

I assign no blame against Islam. A$$holes can come from any religion, or be atheists.

You know, he worships Kim Jong Un...

Proof?

I enjoy making him look stupid. The worst part is is that he's actually from Canadia.

And now another fence jumper at the WH. I bet CNN is licking their chops.

Thats awful. My thoughts are with my neighbors to the north. Don't let these extremists breed hate in you.

It is 12:17 am ET and CNN's has:

Breaking News: Canadian Soldier Gunned Down in Ottawa.

What you do for ratings, shame on you. This was a breaking news story 12 hours ago, now it is just a story being reported on and unless there is crucial new information the breaking news moniker isn't warranted.

Given that the targets were military personnel and political leaders of a nation that has been at war for 13 years, why would the attacks constitute "terrorism", as opposed to legitimate acts of war?

CANADA, AT WAR FOR 13 YEARS, SHOCKED THAT ‘A TERRORIST’ ATTACKED ITS SOLDIERS

Fucking terrorists. I can only wish that they all be wiped from the Earth before getting to spread any more misery amongst the rest of the world.

Agreed. Those terrorist Canadian parliamentarians must be wiped from the Earth before they can spread more misery by perpetuating their country's thirteen-year-old state of war.

Excellent article. It is amazing how these straightforward and painfully simple realities escape the vast majority over at that part of the world. I guess its too much of a hassle to trouble themselves with it all not knowing that it won't matter at the end whether they choose to bother with them or not: they'll have to face the real consequences sooner or later whether at the hands of these "terrorists" or at the hands of their own militaries. I personally inclined to believe more strongly in the latter. Western masses do not seem aware of what they're growing and fattening at home: trigger-happy militaries that can't wait to unleash its full wrath on anything that moves and equally vicious politicians with delusions of grandeur and being the spearhead of some holy crusade.

I really thought western powers had it after the Iraq and Afghanistan invasions, that they learned a very simple lesson that shouldn't have taken two wars and countless casualties and heaps of resources to ring in their heads: mind your own fucking business and leave others be. Then came Obama with his new crusade. This time the buzzword is ISIS. When he started lobbying for support to fight ISIS and started cajoling everyone to join his unholy coalition I thought to myself yea right you're dreamin' buddy. Even the U.S' most loyal allies in the region had the sensibility to refuse. Then to my surprise, and dismay, western powers started to line up one after the other to join that coalition, powers that I thought to be rational enough to resist the glamour and allure of war and fear-mongering. What exactly is Belgium doing in that coalition? Or The Netherlands? Or Denmark? Next time one of these nations is hit by someone who witnessed his family getting blown to pieces by artilaries of democracy and tolerance, brace yourself for the same rhetoric of "they hate our way of life, they hate our freedoms!".

I personally used to think of Canada as the more "refined" part of NA. Apparently it succumbed to the same irrational, unjust and absolutely self-destructive mentality and now it brought the "enemy" to its own home.

You expected two wars to change the theme of the entirety of human history? Srsly?

No, I didn't expect two wars to compel the western world to abolish war altogether. What I expected however is that they'd give up on this particular war with this particular region. Its only idiocy to keep repeating history expecting different things. In fact, you do this for long enough and it will bring about your own undoing no question about that. Its borderline obsession.

Throughout all of human history, the greater regional powers always attempt to exert their influence over the lesser. This is just as true for the Eastern and Muslim world as it is for the West.

That's never going to change.

It's odd how you always defend horrible stuff like this yet expect everyone to get emotional when ever an attack happens against Palestinian.

Yea but you don't see the western world busying itself with any other part of the world and its been like this for a few decades now. It is peculiar you have to admit.

What can I say...we go where the party is.

Oh and...oil.

I rest my case :)

I originally heard the gunman tried going to Syria to fight for ISIS, was detained on his way to Turkey. Guess by the sounds of everything now he was sent back home with no repercussions. Makes me wonder what the US plans to do with those three young girls that they caught trying to go to Syria to fight for ISIS that were detained on route. Should they just come home to lead normal lives risking the day they plan on supporting ISIS through domestic terrorist acts?

You gotta wonder how the M.E. is going to evolve post-oil when no one gives a shit. Doubt I'll be around to see it but it's going to be a sea change for sure.

Yea that's probably decades away that there's no point in even trying to imagine that. Besides, there's nothing to suggest that it can't evolve during the oil epoch itself. Its very hard for an outsider to understand the gravity and true nature of the things that have happened recently and are happening as we speak, but they're radically different than what they seem to be to an outsider at first glance. Think of it like going back in time and take a look at Europe in the 18th century or so and thinking that these people are fucked for all eternity. I'm not saying that history is necessarily repeating itself at the moment, but I'm trying to explain to you the bounded rationality and asymmetry of experience here.
Personally I'm optimistic, in a careful, patient and prudent way obviously.

I haven't been to that area myself (well, I've been to Egypt...as a tourist, lol) but from people I've spoken with who have they seem to believe that tribalism (or 'valley-ism' as I've heard it called) is a larger factor in social identity than nationalism (which is actually a very recent concept).

If that's so, and you're more in a position than I to say whether or not it is, but if it is things are going to be...interesting.

Because only nations can declare war.