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#1 wide_ocean
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What are your opinions on self-improvement literature? Have you ever read any and why, if yes/no?

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#2 Alter_Echo
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I doubt any of the millionaires who peddle that sh1t have even the slightest fvcking clue how to be happy without gobs of money. Anyone who spends money on that stuff needs to get punched in the throat.

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#3 TrainerCeleste
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My self help. Is the internet, if you're having a bad day it's always nice to blow off some steam online when you can't really be judged :D
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#4 shadowkiller11
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No I'm a happy chappy I suppose despite my occasional bitter, cynical dark views sometimes. I don't see the point, it's all psychology and I'm sure people have the common sense to know that and could change themselves for the better... oh no wait they don't. Seems mostly for the gullible
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#5 dkdk999
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I love them, but I think a lot of them are bad. Highly reccomend "the psychology of self esteem" by nathaniel branden.
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#6 WolfattheDoor34
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self help as in Thoreau? or like David Foster Wallace? or what?
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#7 wide_ocean
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self help as in Thoreau? or like David Foster Wallace? or what?WolfattheDoor34

Anything from NLP to "Learn to Think Like Steve Jobs", "How to Talk to Anyone" etc.

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#8 Abbeten
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my self-help literature extends no further than the following sentence: read actual literature and not horsesh*t like the secret. be a better person. the end
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Garbage, there are far bigger problems in the world that no amount of self help literature or mantras can help with. Man will fail, God does not. Only Jesus can save, not yourself, not man or your own efforts can make a better life. In all honesty, theological beliefs aside, the ones that do work are brilliant manipulators of the Placebo Effect.
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If you helped yourself, you didn't need help

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#11 wide_ocean
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Garbage, there are far bigger problems in the world that no amount of self help literature or mantras can help with. Man will fail, God does not. Only Jesus can save, not yourself, not man or your own efforts can make a better life. In all honesty, theological beliefs aside, the ones that do work are brilliant manipulators of the Placebo Effect.hiphops_savior

So would you say one should abstain from all efforts in life to better one's situation, because our own actions are not godly? Just asking.

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Garbage, there are far bigger problems in the world that no amount of self help literature or mantras can help with. Man will fail, God does not. Only Jesus can save, not yourself, not man or your own efforts can make a better life. In all honesty, theological beliefs aside, the ones that do work are brilliant manipulators of the Placebo Effect.hiphops_savior
inspiring, life-affirming or, wait, no, the opposite of that - demoralizing, life-incriminating
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Garbage, there are far bigger problems in the world that no amount of self help literature or mantras can help with. Man will fail, God does not. Only Jesus can save, not yourself, not man or your own efforts can make a better life. In all honesty, theological beliefs aside, the ones that do work are brilliant manipulators of the Placebo Effect.hiphops_savior
The fvck did I just read after the first sentence?
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What are your opinions on self-improvement literature? Have you ever read any and why, if yes/no?

wide_ocean

super low-brow springs to mind

although admittedly i've never read anything stemming from that genre

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[QUOTE="hiphops_savior"]Garbage, there are far bigger problems in the world that no amount of self help literature or mantras can help with. Man will fail, God does not. Only Jesus can save, not yourself, not man or your own efforts can make a better life. In all honesty, theological beliefs aside, the ones that do work are brilliant manipulators of the Placebo Effect.wide_ocean

So would you say one should abstain from all efforts in life to better one's situation, because our own actions are not godly? Just asking.

Look around the world, there are many people who tried to do good and justify their actions by causing atrocities. There are non-believers who lived a far more righteous life than many Christians. However, my point remains that mankind is fundamentally flawed, and my cynicism is reflected in it. I do not place my hope in my own efforts, I place it on salvation from God. We're still messed up, but at least God is there to help us. Bottom line, no, I am not saying that we should abstain from all efforts in life to better one's situation. Contrary to that, if you feel compelled to right a wrong, you should take action. My problem is that the literature says you can help your own mess when all it does is makes you self centered and prideful (happens even to me, and I apologize for that).
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[QUOTE="hiphops_savior"]Garbage, there are far bigger problems in the world that no amount of self help literature or mantras can help with. Man will fail, God does not. Only Jesus can save, not yourself, not man or your own efforts can make a better life. In all honesty, theological beliefs aside, the ones that do work are brilliant manipulators of the Placebo Effect.WolfattheDoor34
inspiring, life-affirming or, wait, no, the opposite of that - demoralizing, life-incriminating

In an essence, all this should be pointing towards God as your solution. Whether you can see it or not, all I can hope is that sometime down the road, you realize that there is an exit, and it was wide open the whole time before it was too late.
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#18 WolfattheDoor34
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why would I want an exit?
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#19 hiphops_savior
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why would I want an exit?WolfattheDoor34
I don't think we're on the same page. If by your physical life, that remains to be seen. If by spirituality, perhaps one day you'll come to the same conclusion.
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#20 WolfattheDoor34
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do you think history justifies proselytization and zealotry?
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#21 bigfoot2045
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Self help books are a scam. The reality is that if you were actually capable of improving your station in life on your own, you probably would have done it already. And it doesn't help that these things are mostly written by rich douchebags like Tony Robbins and Donald Trump, who have absolutely no conception of what it's like to struggle through life.