Sale of Recreational Marijuana Begins in Washington State.

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#1 Edited by Master_Live (15832 posts) -

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/08/washington-marijuana-sales_n_5545187.html

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-07-08/washingtons-high-hopes-for-legal-pot-sales-start-small#r=hp-lst

From the second link:

Washington voters approved legalization in 2012. One reason it has taken so long for sales to begin is that unlike Colorado, which used existing sellers of medical marijuana, Washington built its recreational business from scratch. An effective pot tax rateof 44 percent is keeping prices high.At $20 a gram, the price at Cannabis City is about double that in the black market.

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That won't work, twice the price? I would simply keep buying on the black market if that were the case. 44% tax rate? And that is why they fail.

But overall, I'm glad of course. This is the future.

#2 Edited by Byshop (12931 posts) -

@Master_Live: Pfft. It took them this long and it's -that- much? We've got em licked in this department (we being Colorado). $50 per 1/8 is the norm for both inside and outside of dispensaries in CO. $20 a gram means 1/8 is $70 in WA, which while I'm sure that's more expensive than normal I doubt it's "double" like the article claims.

-Byshop

#3 Posted by outworld222 (2528 posts) -

I know it's the future and all, but something about openly flaunting Marijuana sales just bothers me.

#4 Edited by jasean79 (2398 posts) -

People didn't actually think it was going to be cheap, did they?

I'm glad I don't smoke. Alcohol seems like a better means to waste my money :)

#5 Posted by deeliman (3487 posts) -

20$ per gram? You better get some good shit from them or you are getting scammed. Also, even 10$ per gram is expensive.

#6 Posted by chaplainDMK (6920 posts) -

What's with the siggy? BluRay going somewhere or something?

#7 Edited by turtlethetaffer (17198 posts) -

Something recently happened that makes me detest Marijuana. I'm glad they're selling it at such a high price.

#8 Posted by Master_Live (15832 posts) -

@chaplainDMK said:

What's with the siggy? BluRay going somewhere or something?

He quitted a couple of weeks ago.

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/offtopic-discussion-314159273/should-mark-whalberg-s-films-be-boycotted-31310290/?page=1/

#9 Posted by Master_Live (15832 posts) -

@turtlethetaffer said:

Something recently happened that makes me detest Marijuana.

Come on, tell us.

#10 Edited by daviddiorio (31 posts) -

Gross, I hate the smell of the stuff it gives me a headache. However, the amount of money we currently spend on law enforcement because it's labeled a schedule 1 drug, for some dumb reason considering meth is schedule 2, gives me a bigger headache so I guess it's for the better.

#11 Edited by KHAndAnime (14779 posts) -

So far, the idea is a complete failure. If people are already using dealers and getting their weed through dispensaries at $8-$12 gram, who the fuck would even consider buying weed retail? It costs $75 to get a medical marijuana card and anyone can get one.

I suspect that when there's more competition between these retail dispensaries, prices should drop...a lot. The absence of competition lets them charge anything they really want.

#12 Edited by turtlethetaffer (17198 posts) -
@Master_Live said:

@turtlethetaffer said:

Something recently happened that makes me detest Marijuana.

Come on, tell us.

I'd really rather not. It's one of those things where it's most likely not really justified and I'm probably being really petty but that doesn't change the way I feel about it.

And before you say that there's no reason to hate on pot, I never really said there was and I admitted to being petty, unlike a lot of people who hold pointless beliefs.

#13 Edited by KHAndAnime (14779 posts) -

@Byshop said:

@Master_Live: Pfft. It took them this long and it's -that- much? We've got em licked in this department (we being Colorado). $50 per 1/8 is the norm for both inside and outside of dispensaries in CO. $20 a gram means 1/8 is $70 in WA, which while I'm sure that's more expensive than normal I doubt it's "double" like the article claims.

-Byshop

$20 a gram is double than normal price in WA, sounds like CO isn't the place to be if you enjoy weed, $50 for 1/8 is insanely steep.

#14 Posted by sherman-tank1 (8208 posts) -

I'm still on the fence about legal weed. However, there is only one way to find out if it should be legal so it will be interesting to see how it goes.

#15 Posted by turtlethetaffer (17198 posts) -

@outworld222 said:

I know it's the future and all, but something about openly flaunting Marijuana sales just bothers me.

Me too. The idea that so many folks want it legalized is also a little disturbing to me. It definitely has its medical uses, but it still unsettles me.

#16 Edited by lamprey263 (25649 posts) -

$20 a gram. 44% tax. Yeah that's a pretty outrageous tax on cannabis. I imagine people are just going to start growing their own, or buy on the black market. Medical marijuana shops don't even charge that much in the state, from what I've heard many medical shops offer quality product marginally cheaper than illegal sales prices.

This isn't a first for Washington State, they really fucked up liquor sales in the state when they moved from state run stores only to privatized sales. They taxed bottles then they had a liquor sales tax in addition. It did nearly nothing to make alcohol cheaper. Many that tried making a go at having a mom and pop private liquor stores in my area bellied up as a result.

#17 Posted by xdude85 (4594 posts) -

Who fucking cares.

#18 Posted by BranKetra (49962 posts) -

I am not impressed.

#19 Posted by KHAndAnime (14779 posts) -

@xdude85 said:

Who fucking cares.

A lot of people, I assume.

#20 Posted by sherman-tank1 (8208 posts) -

@xdude85: Just because it isn't a big deal to you doesn't mean it isn't a big deal to others. It is a big deal to those who use weed, to those who want weed illegal, to the state, and to the government.

#21 Edited by AmazonTreeBoa (16745 posts) -

@jasean79 said:

I'm glad I don't smoke. Alcohol seems like a better means to waste my money :)

Interested because I have the exact opposite view. I would much rather smoke weed over drinking. A lot more healthier with less bad side effects.

#22 Posted by AmazonTreeBoa (16745 posts) -

@xdude85 said:

Who fucking cares.

What rock did you just crawl out from under that you are so out of touch with reality?

#23 Edited by plageus900 (1303 posts) -

#24 Posted by airshocker (31016 posts) -

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

@jasean79 said:

I'm glad I don't smoke. Alcohol seems like a better means to waste my money :)

Interested because I have the exact opposite view. I would much rather smoke weed over drinking. A lot more healthier with less bad side effects.

Inhaling smoke of any kind isn't good for you.

#25 Posted by Byshop (12931 posts) -

@KHAndAnime said:

@Byshop said:

@Master_Live: Pfft. It took them this long and it's -that- much? We've got em licked in this department (we being Colorado). $50 per 1/8 is the norm for both inside and outside of dispensaries in CO. $20 a gram means 1/8 is $70 in WA, which while I'm sure that's more expensive than normal I doubt it's "double" like the article claims.

-Byshop

$20 a gram is double than normal price in WA, sounds like CO isn't the place to be if you enjoy weed, $50 for 1/8 is insanely steep.

There are always cheaper options, but $50 an eight is for high quality KB. In Colorado, the medical and recreational prices are pretty inline with the old prices, but the quality is very consistently high. This is in part because there is so much competition.

-Byshop

#26 Edited by KHAndAnime (14779 posts) -

@airshocker said:

Inhaling smoke of any kind isn't good for you.

Who the hell says you have to smoke it? Smoking is archaic. Marijuana enthusiasts vaporize now. You can also eat it, drink it, etc.

@Byshop said:

There are always cheaper options, but $50 an eight is for high quality KB. In Colorado, the medical and recreational prices are pretty inline with the old prices, but the quality is very consistently high. This is in part because there is so much competition.

Here in WA it's $25 an 1/8 of some of the best MJ you can find. You can spend more if you want, but here it's $25 for an 1/8 of extremely high quality stuff. $50 for 1/8 is nuts to me. If I paid $50 for 1/8 I'd expect the nugs to be gold and dipped in kief.

#27 Posted by AmazonTreeBoa (16745 posts) -

@airshocker said:

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

@jasean79 said:

I'm glad I don't smoke. Alcohol seems like a better means to waste my money :)

Interested because I have the exact opposite view. I would much rather smoke weed over drinking. A lot more healthier with less bad side effects.

Inhaling smoke of any kind isn't good for you.

You don't have to smoke it. There are other ways of consuming it. Either way, it is still better than alcohol.

#28 Posted by -Sun_Tzu- (17384 posts) -

$20 a gram is not ridiculous in a lot of parts of the country

At $10 some might question the quality of the product

Besides buying just a gram is a waste of money regardless

SO I HEAR

I don't engage in illegal activities so I wouldn't know.

#29 Posted by jasean79 (2398 posts) -

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

@jasean79 said:

I'm glad I don't smoke. Alcohol seems like a better means to waste my money :)

Interested because I have the exact opposite view. I would much rather smoke weed over drinking. A lot more healthier with less bad side effects.

To each his own. But I don't crave weed like I do a nice cold beer on a hot day. Alcohol is so much more versatile and satisfying than a plant.

#30 Edited by KHAndAnime (14779 posts) -

@-Sun_Tzu- said:

$20 a gram is not ridiculous in a lot of parts of the country

At $10 some might question the quality of the product

Besides buying just a gram is a waste of money regardless

SO I HEAR

I don't engage in illegal activities so I wouldn't know.

Who cares if it's not ridiculous in other parts of the country? It's not being sold in other parts of the country, it's being sold here - where you can get better product and more of it for less than half the price. The article expresses that they expect a line, but I'm hard pressed to believe it because dealers would get to them before they even make it to the cash register. Buying just a gram is a waste indeed - the place that just opened up is only selling 2g per customer it appears...

@jasean79 said:

To each his own. But I don't crave weed like I do a nice cold beer on a hot day. Alcohol is so much more versatile and satisfying than a plant.

Drinking is much less versatile, you couldn't have it any more backwards. You can't even operate vehicles or do anything worthwhile under the influence of alcohol.

#31 Posted by lostrib (42994 posts) -

@KHAndAnime said:

@jasean79 said:

To each his own. But I don't crave weed like I do a nice cold beer on a hot day. Alcohol is so much more versatile and satisfying than a plant.

Drinking is much less versatile, you couldn't have it any more backwards. You can't even operate vehicles or do anything worthwhile under the influence of alcohol.

...you're not supposed to do any of that while high either

#32 Posted by jasean79 (2398 posts) -

@KHAndAnime said:

@jasean79 said:

To each his own. But I don't crave weed like I do a nice cold beer on a hot day. Alcohol is so much more versatile and satisfying than a plant.

Drinking is much less versatile, you couldn't have it any more backwards. You can't even operate vehicles or do anything worthwhile under the influence of alcohol.

That's not what I meant. I was referring to the plethora of different kinds of alcohol and the endless possibility of drink mixes. In that respect, it's much more versatile.

#33 Posted by -Sun_Tzu- (17384 posts) -

@KHAndAnime said:

@-Sun_Tzu- said:

$20 a gram is not ridiculous in a lot of parts of the country

At $10 some might question the quality of the product

Besides buying just a gram is a waste of money regardless

SO I HEAR

I don't engage in illegal activities so I wouldn't know.

Who cares if it's not ridiculous in other parts of the country? It's not being sold in other parts of the country, it's being sold here - where you can get better product and more of it for less than half the price. The article expresses that they expect a line, but I'm hard pressed to believe it because dealers would get to them before they even make it to the cash register. Buying just a gram is a waste indeed - the place that just opened up is only selling 2g per customer it appears...

Given the option to buy something legally for $20 compared to buying it illegally for $10, many would go the legal route. Buying from drug dealers is a hassle, especially from the low-level dealers one would have to go through to purchase a gram.

#34 Edited by Byshop (12931 posts) -

@KHAndAnime said:

@-Sun_Tzu- said:

$20 a gram is not ridiculous in a lot of parts of the country

At $10 some might question the quality of the product

Besides buying just a gram is a waste of money regardless

SO I HEAR

I don't engage in illegal activities so I wouldn't know.

Who cares if it's not ridiculous in other parts of the country? It's not being sold in other parts of the country, it's being sold here - where you can get better product and more of it for less than half the price. The article expresses that they expect a line, but I'm hard pressed to believe it because dealers would get to them before they even make it to the cash register. Buying just a gram is a waste indeed - the place that just opened up is only selling 2g per customer it appears...

Some people don't want to deal with dealers. When the recreational dispensaries opened in Colorado, lines were hours long in the early days but that has normalized significantly. While it may be cheaper in WA, $50 per eighth is closer to the national average (with some states/cities with more draconian laws ranging up to almost double that). Cities like NYC are known for very high prices and low quality.

"It's not being sold in other parts of the country, it's being sold here..."

Obviously that's not true, since Colorado has already been doing recreational sales since the beginning of the year.

Besides that, I guess you're right... provided you completely forget about the 23 states that allow medical cannabis sales. In most of these states, getting a card is basically a formality and some of these states (like California) don't even require registration. It's estimated that there are at least 500k registered card carriers in CA alone. When Colorado "legalized" weed, it was really more of a lateral step because tons of people were already buying legal weed through medical dispensaries.

-Byshop

#35 Edited by KHAndAnime (14779 posts) -

@Byshop said:

Some people don't want to deal with dealers. When the recreational dispensaries opened in Colorado, lines were hours long in the early days but that has normalized significantly. While it may be cheaper in WA, $50 per eighth is closer to the national average (with some states/cities with more draconian laws ranging up to almost double that). Cities like NYC are known for very high prices and low quality.

@-Sun_Tzu- said:

Given the option to buy something legally for $20 compared to buying it illegally for $10, many would go the legal route. Buying from drug dealers is a hassle, especially from the low-level dealers one would have to go through to purchase a gram.

You're forgetting there already is a legal route and has been for a long ass time - medical dispensaries. Most people who buy a lot of weed already have medical cards - as I just said, anyone can get them.

"It's not being sold in other parts of the country, it's being sold here..."

Obviously that's not true, since Colorado has already been doing recreational sales since the beginning of the year.

-Byshop

You're taking my statement completely out of context - you can get weed in lots of other parts of the country, my point that you missed is that the weed being sold here isn't in line with the price of other weed in the area. What the retail price is compared to other parts of the country is completely irrelevant, if you're in Seattle, you're not driving to another state to buy weed.

#36 Posted by Byshop (12931 posts) -

@KHAndAnime said:

You're taking my statement completely out of context - you can get weed in lots of other parts of the country, my point that you missed is that the weed being sold here isn't in line with the price of other weed in the area. What the retail price is compared to other parts of the country is completely irrelevant, if you're in Seattle, you're not driving to another state to buy weed.

I'm still not following you. Your point was that people aren't leaving WA to go elsewhere to buy more expensive weed? Was somebody arguing that and I missed it?

Back on topic, the other advantage you get from dispensaries is variety of product. Most carry a wide array of edibles and commonly around a dozen different strains. In Colorado, the medical dispensaries also carry tincture and oils which can be used with vapes.

Not that I partake, but I lived in Boulder for 15 years so it's hard to not know about this stuff.

-Byshop

#37 Edited by foxhound_fox (90891 posts) -

$20 a gram? Lol, good job being sensible about it and undercutting the illegal market. And amazingly I hear, people are consciously (or maybe not) buying it.

I know some people where I live that sell an ounce for $150.

I can't wait for it to be legalized entirely and can just grow my own.

#38 Edited by KHAndAnime (14779 posts) -

@Byshop said:

@KHAndAnime said:

You're taking my statement completely out of context - you can get weed in lots of other parts of the country, my point that you missed is that the weed being sold here isn't in line with the price of other weed in the area. What the retail price is compared to other parts of the country is completely irrelevant, if you're in Seattle, you're not driving to another state to buy weed.

I'm still not following you. Your point was that people aren't leaving WA to go elsewhere to buy more expensive weed? Was somebody arguing that and I missed it?

$20 a gram is not ridiculous in a lot of parts of the country

and

While it may be cheaper in WA, $50 per eighth is closer to the national average (with some states/cities with more draconian laws ranging up to almost double that). Cities like NYC are known for very high prices and low quality.

Hell, you just wrote what's above lol. The point that you so clearly missed (twice, I bolded where you missed it the 2nd time) is that these preceding statements are irrelevant because yes - people in WA state aren't driving to places where weed is double the price to buy it. Who cares if $50 isn't for an 1/8 isn't that expensive elsewhere? It's not relevant. In Seattle, people are used to paying $40 or less for 1/8, so they aren't going to spring at the opportunity to pay $40 for a couple grams.

#39 Posted by -Sun_Tzu- (17384 posts) -

@KHAndAnime said:

You're forgetting there already is a legal route and has been for a long ass time - medical dispensaries. Most people who buy a lot of weed already have medical cards - as I just said, anyone can get them.

I don't see what the problem is then.

#40 Posted by lamprey263 (25649 posts) -

So I read some other stuff which said that the retailer would like to keep it down to maybe $12/gram, which is decent if that does include the 44% tax calculated into it. It said it can range as high as $25/gram. I imagine initially due to lower supply and not enough growers that prices will be higher due to a supply and demand concerns. Hopefully over time the price goes down once more supply is available in the long run. Anyhow, I'm curious with it being legal for recreational use if that allows for people to grow their own much like people who get medicinal licenses can grow their own or have someone else grow it for them.

#41 Posted by KHAndAnime (14779 posts) -

@-Sun_Tzu- said:

I don't see what the problem is then.

Not necessarily a problem, I'm just saying that the recreational dispensaries can be a good idea but the execution right now is really poor and not enticing for people who live in Seattle. The black market will never disappear if it's a lot cheaper than recreational dispensaries, and I think the aim of recreational dispensaries are to squash out the black market.

#42 Posted by Byshop (12931 posts) -

@KHAndAnime said:

Hell, you just wrote what's above lol. The point that you so clearly missed (twice, I bolded where you missed it the first time) is that these preceding statements are irrelevant because yes - people in WA state aren't driving to places where weed is double the price to buy it.

I see. You misunderstood -my- point and you were arguing against a point I didn't make. You had said:

"sounds like CO isn't the place to be if you enjoy weed"

...which is a statement I was politely calling bullshit on with counterpoints (I was going a bit OT from the discussion of the merits of recreational dispensaries in WA). That's like saying California is a bad state for weed. Colorado has been known for weed since long before the advent of dispensaries, medical or otherwise. Boulder (and often Denver) consistently show up on most "top 10 weed cities" lists. Denver hosted the first US based Cannabis Cup, CU Campus in Boulder has an annual 4/20 celebration and the variety and quality available in this state is pretty well known. Even if WA is cheaper that hardly makes CO a bad state for weed (to my point that the prices here are actually pretty average).

-Byshop

#43 Edited by Master_Live (15832 posts) -

@xdude85 said:

Who fucking cares.

#44 Posted by killzowned24 (7345 posts) -

@Byshop said:

@Master_Live: Pfft. It took them this long and it's -that- much? We've got em licked in this department (we being Colorado). $50 per 1/8 is the norm for both inside and outside of dispensaries in CO. $20 a gram means 1/8 is $70 in WA, which while I'm sure that's more expensive than normal I doubt it's "double" like the article claims.

-Byshop

God bless America.

I doubt most really into it even care about price. Their medical program passed 16 years ago and allows users to grow 15 plants and have 24 oz :P

#45 Posted by Byshop (12931 posts) -

@killzowned24 said:

@Byshop said:

@Master_Live: Pfft. It took them this long and it's -that- much? We've got em licked in this department (we being Colorado). $50 per 1/8 is the norm for both inside and outside of dispensaries in CO. $20 a gram means 1/8 is $70 in WA, which while I'm sure that's more expensive than normal I doubt it's "double" like the article claims.

-Byshop

God bless America.

I doubt most really into it even care about price. Their medical program passed 16 years ago and allows users to grow 15 plants and have 24 oz :P

In Colorado it's like four plants and up to at least an ounce for "personal use". Granted, that's still a shitton of weed if it's just for one person.

-Byshop

#46 Posted by jasean79 (2398 posts) -

What's the quality of weed that the dispensaries offer? Is it better than what you can get on the street?

#47 Posted by AmazonTreeBoa (16745 posts) -

@jasean79 said:

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

@jasean79 said:

I'm glad I don't smoke. Alcohol seems like a better means to waste my money :)

Interested because I have the exact opposite view. I would much rather smoke weed over drinking. A lot more healthier with less bad side effects.

To each his own. But I don't crave weed like I do a nice cold beer on a hot day. Alcohol is so much more versatile and satisfying than a plant.

I don't crave weed, but thinking beer is good for you on a hot day is a fool's way of thinking.

#48 Edited by jasean79 (2398 posts) -

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

@jasean79 said:

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

@jasean79 said:

I'm glad I don't smoke. Alcohol seems like a better means to waste my money :)

Interested because I have the exact opposite view. I would much rather smoke weed over drinking. A lot more healthier with less bad side effects.

To each his own. But I don't crave weed like I do a nice cold beer on a hot day. Alcohol is so much more versatile and satisfying than a plant.

I don't crave weed, but thinking beer is good for you on a hot day is a fool's way of thinking.

You mean beer isn't the go-to drink after working on the lawn in the hot sun in the middle of July for 4 hours? lol

#49 Posted by deeliman (3487 posts) -

What kind of weed do they sell? Just one kind that costs 20$ per gram?

#50 Edited by KHAndAnime (14779 posts) -
@jasean79 said:

What's the quality of weed that the dispensaries offer? Is it better than what you can get on the street?

Dispensaries are the apex of pot. Compared to the black market, they're extremely self regulated and typically only sell high-quality product. They're much cheaper than going to dealers - most dispensaries will give you a few grams of weed simply for walking in and checking them out. If you just picked up your medical MJ card and live in Seattle, you could easily scoop up 20+ grams of free pot just by checking various dispensaries in the area. Also, unlike the majority of dealers, they have large selections of pot, concentrates (hash), edibles, etc.

@Byshop said:

@KHAndAnime said:

Hell, you just wrote what's above lol. The point that you so clearly missed (twice, I bolded where you missed it the first time) is that these preceding statements are irrelevant because yes - people in WA state aren't driving to places where weed is double the price to buy it.

I see. You misunderstood -my- point and you were arguing against a point I didn't make. You had said:

"sounds like CO isn't the place to be if you enjoy weed"

...which is a statement I was politely calling bullshit on with counterpoints (I was going a bit OT from the discussion of the merits of recreational dispensaries in WA). That's like saying California is a bad state for weed. Colorado has been known for weed since long before the advent of dispensaries, medical or otherwise. Boulder (and often Denver) consistently show up on most "top 10 weed cities" lists. Denver hosted the first US based Cannabis Cup, CU Campus in Boulder has an annual 4/20 celebration and the variety and quality available in this state is pretty well known. Even if WA is cheaper that hardly makes CO a bad state for weed (to my point that the prices here are actually pretty average).

-Byshop

I grouped you in with Sun Tzu's argument because my point and response is the same. Regardless of what the price is for the region, it sounds like you're paying roughly double compared to CA/WA simply because of where you live. I don't care if CO has a history of being a pot frontier, $50 for a quality 1/8 in dispensaries is too much. I wouldn't even touch the stuff if it were nearly that expensive here, that's getting up to Cocaine-like prices. If you enjoy using marijuana on a regular basis, CO isn't where you're going to want to be, because by simply living there the already potentially expensive habit gets twice as expensive. If you're rich, then obviously it isn't an issue, but the majority of people aren't. Similarly, if I moved somewhere and gas cost twice as much, I probably wouldn't drive either - you need to understand once things hit a certain price, they lose the majority of their value and appeal. Another example and metaphor of what I mean is that I wouldn't be able to justify spending $20 on a single potato, even if all potatoes in the area cost $20, because once I enjoy that one potato, eventually I'm going to want to make french fries...

Relative to other Bible-belt states, CO is a marijuana sanctuary, but not necessarily one I'd ever want to visit.