Russia bans swearing in films, theater, media, and arts

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#1 Edited by lamprey263 (23957 posts) -

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/07/02/russia-bans-swear-words-in-films-theatre-the-media-and-arts/

Well, Russia is banning swearing to promote traditional values, apparently freedom of expression isn't one of those values. Hefty fines will be imposed on violators. This to me seems like it will run into issues in the future, as language is a living thing and varies from place to place and evolves with time. What might be profane to some demographic or region in Russia might not be to another, there's no fine line.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/06/25/a-new-level-of-idiocy-russia-considers-banning-high-heels-foreign-words-and-condom-ads/

Also being considered are such measures as to ban on sneakers and high heels, smoking for women under 40 and in the presence of children under 14, condom and pregnancy test advertising, and the use of foreign words. I've heard about Russian culture Nazis wanting to ban foreign words for years, like wanting to ban word "hot dog" or "pizza" because there's not an existing Russian word for it; thus the foreign word is borrowed, and this offends the cultural purists. Anyhow, they note that many of these crazy bills might not go through, but they also say that some may very well pass.

Agence France-Presse notes that such bills may be an effort to rally support from the middle age population and the Orthodox Church. They also note that the lawmakers have little else to do since they generally only pass major laws that are passed down from the Kremlin. Passing these ridiculous bills is all these lawmakers have to make a name for themselves, and they have an election coming up in 2016. They also note that Russian lawmakers are only doing what they believe Putin wants them to do.

Since Putin has taken power in Russia he's been quick to kill the ability for open, vocal, public dissent. That hasn't stopped the population from getting their punches in while they can. Lawmaker Elena Mizulina, who has been noted for promoting a lot of stupid and contentious bills, has become the subject of an online petition with over 100,000 petitioners asking that the Russia's Ministry of Health utilize it's top medical experts to have Elena Mizulina's mental health examined... well, it'd appear Russians aren't a completely void of humor; bravo.

#2 Posted by KHAndAnime (13768 posts) -

Don't they pirate most of their media in Russia, anyways? Let me just say, there are no U.S. torrent sites that begin to remotely compare to the Russian torrent sites...

#3 Posted by toast_burner (21670 posts) -

Russia is on a downwards spiral.

#4 Edited by foxhound_fox (88403 posts) -

@toast_burner said:

Russia is on a downwards spiral.

They are near the bottom already. This is behaviour one would expect of the Soviet regime.

#5 Posted by always_explicit (2905 posts) -

Meh the people will only stand for so much.

#6 Posted by whipassmt (14028 posts) -

1. you're probably right about freedom of expression not being a "traditional" Russian value. It seems that Russia has been an autocratic place for a long time, maybe it had a brief period of freedom after the Soviet Union fell and that time is coming to an end. Maybe Russia could've enjoyed more freedom if the Provisional Government had stayed in power and formed a democracy in 1917, but they were weak and collapsed and the Bolsheviks seized power.

2. 40 seems like such an odd age, I could see 18 or 21, but why forty.

3.Banning foreign loan words is pretty stupid, but Russia is not the only country where such an idea would take hold. Really though pretty much all major languages have some loan words from foreign languages.

4. I guess the logic behind banning high heels and sneakers is that they are Western. Maybe high heels are also seen in Russia as unladylike and unsafe.

#7 Posted by lostrib (37031 posts) -

That's fucking bullshit

#8 Posted by whipassmt (14028 posts) -

how "hefty" are those fines?

#9 Edited by GazaAli (22858 posts) -

Why is that a bad thing? You may not like it and you may feel that it goes against your own values and perception of liberty, but again the law does not target you. I personally find swearing in movies and shows humorous when done right of course, but if some people feel the opposite then so be it. If some people are feeling the need to promote traditional values then again so be it, whatever makes them sleep better at night. Its not like banning swearing in movies would undermine the quality of life for Russians or anything. I bet they have better things to worry about.

I know this may sound quite shocking to some of you, but there are cultures and peoples out there that do not share the same values of other- currently more dominant cultures. With that said, you may question the intentions and pretexts of that legislation, but that would be a different matter than questioning the legislation itself.

#10 Posted by GazaAli (22858 posts) -

@whipassmt said:

2. 40 seems like such an odd age, I could see 18 or 21, but why forty.

My guess is that most women would have hit menopause by the time they reach the age of 40 so they wouldn't be able to conceive and bear babies. So the law would be a safety measure for unborn babies.

#11 Edited by toast_burner (21670 posts) -

@GazaAli said:

Why is that a bad thing? You may not like it and you may feel that it goes against your own values and perception of liberty, but again the law does not target you. I personally find swearing in movies and shows humorous when done right of course, but if some people feel the opposite then so be it. If some people are feeling the need to promote traditional values then again so be it, whatever makes them sleep better at night. Its not like banning swearing in movies would undermine the quality of life for Russians or anything. I bet they have better things to worry about.

I know this may sound quite shocking to some of you, but there are cultures and peoples out there that do not share the same values of other- currently more dominant cultures. With that said, you may question the intentions and pretexts of that legislation, but that would be a different matter than questioning the legislation itself.

If you don't like swearing don't watch films that contain swearing.

why am I not surprised you are ok with this? it seems you just hate people and will support anything that limits other peoples freedom.

#12 Posted by whipassmt (14028 posts) -

@GazaAli said:

@whipassmt said:

2. 40 seems like such an odd age, I could see 18 or 21, but why forty.

My guess is that most women would have hit menopause by the time they reach the age of 40 so they wouldn't be able to conceive and bear babies. So the law would be a safety measure for unborn babies.

Maybe. I know Russia has a very low birth rate, (besides they lost millions of people between WWI, the Russian Civil War, Stalinism and WWII) and they want to get their population up if they are going to be a strong country.

#13 Edited by GazaAli (22858 posts) -

@toast_burner said:

@GazaAli said:

Why is that a bad thing? You may not like it and you may feel that it goes against your own values and perception of liberty, but again the law does not target you. I personally find swearing in movies and shows humorous when done right of course, but if some people feel the opposite then so be it. If some people are feeling the need to promote traditional values then again so be it, whatever makes them sleep better at night. Its not like banning swearing in movies would undermine the quality of life for Russians or anything. I bet they have better things to worry about.

I know this may sound quite shocking to some of you, but there are cultures and peoples out there that do not share the same values of other- currently more dominant cultures. With that said, you may question the intentions and pretexts of that legislation, but that would be a different matter than questioning the legislation itself.

If you don't like swearing don't watch films that contain swearing.

why am I not surprised you are ok with this? it seems you just hate people and will support anything that limits other peoples freedom.

Oh please, what is "you just hate people" supposed to mean in this instance? I never said that I support the law; instead, all that I said is that if Russians feel that the law is of expediency to them then so be it. I think I made it clear that I find swearing humorous.

I don't support something that supposedly limits people's freedom because I hate people. If I ever do that then it stems from a conviction that people have too much freedom, freedom that they neither honor nor deserve more often than not. If I ever do support such laws and decrees it is because in a specific instance the liberty in question appears to be pathological to me rather than conducive to goodness and utility.

#14 Posted by toast_burner (21670 posts) -

@GazaAli said:

@toast_burner said:

@GazaAli said:

Why is that a bad thing? You may not like it and you may feel that it goes against your own values and perception of liberty, but again the law does not target you. I personally find swearing in movies and shows humorous when done right of course, but if some people feel the opposite then so be it. If some people are feeling the need to promote traditional values then again so be it, whatever makes them sleep better at night. Its not like banning swearing in movies would undermine the quality of life for Russians or anything. I bet they have better things to worry about.

I know this may sound quite shocking to some of you, but there are cultures and peoples out there that do not share the same values of other- currently more dominant cultures. With that said, you may question the intentions and pretexts of that legislation, but that would be a different matter than questioning the legislation itself.

If you don't like swearing don't watch films that contain swearing.

why am I not surprised you are ok with this? it seems you just hate people and will support anything that limits other peoples freedom.

Oh please, what is "you just hate people" supposed to mean in this instance? I never said that I support the law; instead, all that I said is that if Russians feel that the law is of expediency to them then so be it. I think I made it clear that I find swearing humorous.

I don't support something that supposedly limits people's freedom because I hate people. If I ever do that then it stems from a conviction that people have too much freedom, freedom that they neither honor nor deserve more often than not. If I ever do support such laws and decrees it is because in that instance the liberty in question appears to be pathological to me rather than conducive to goodness and utility.

Do the Russian people support this law? I've met a lot of Russians and all of them except one swore more than anyone else I've ever met (the reason the person who didn't swear gave for not liking swearing was that way to many people swear in Russia)

This seems more like an attempt to force people to change than to help people.

Even if the majority of Russians did support it why would that make it ok? If the majority wanted to ban Islam would you also be defending that?

#15 Edited by GazaAli (22858 posts) -

@toast_burner said:

@GazaAli said:

@toast_burner said:

@GazaAli said:

Why is that a bad thing? You may not like it and you may feel that it goes against your own values and perception of liberty, but again the law does not target you. I personally find swearing in movies and shows humorous when done right of course, but if some people feel the opposite then so be it. If some people are feeling the need to promote traditional values then again so be it, whatever makes them sleep better at night. Its not like banning swearing in movies would undermine the quality of life for Russians or anything. I bet they have better things to worry about.

I know this may sound quite shocking to some of you, but there are cultures and peoples out there that do not share the same values of other- currently more dominant cultures. With that said, you may question the intentions and pretexts of that legislation, but that would be a different matter than questioning the legislation itself.

If you don't like swearing don't watch films that contain swearing.

why am I not surprised you are ok with this? it seems you just hate people and will support anything that limits other peoples freedom.

Oh please, what is "you just hate people" supposed to mean in this instance? I never said that I support the law; instead, all that I said is that if Russians feel that the law is of expediency to them then so be it. I think I made it clear that I find swearing humorous.

I don't support something that supposedly limits people's freedom because I hate people. If I ever do that then it stems from a conviction that people have too much freedom, freedom that they neither honor nor deserve more often than not. If I ever do support such laws and decrees it is because in that instance the liberty in question appears to be pathological to me rather than conducive to goodness and utility.

Do the Russian people support this law? I've met a lot of Russians and all of them except one swore more than anyone else I've ever met (the reason the person who didn't swear gave for not liking swearing was that way to many people swear in Russia)

This seems more like an attempt to force people to change than to help people.

Even if the majority of Russians did support it why would that make it ok? If the majority wanted to ban Islam would you also be defending that?

I do not know if they support it or not. In case that they do not support it, then its up to them to change it, its not like I would attempt to coerce them into adopting this legislation or any other legislation for that matter. And let us not resort to anecdotes as this topic is still taking its first steps, way too early for that.

It wouldn't necessarily make it ok but it makes it their problem not anybody's else. And I wouldn't be defending the demand of a majority to ban Islam simply because I don't believe that Islam should be banned, exactly like I wouldn't defend a majority's demand to ban atheism. I'm not sure where you're getting to with this. I can see how a society would attempt to ban public profanity, but I can't see why a society would attempt to ban a belief or a lack of one.

#16 Posted by BranKetra (48624 posts) -

@GazaAli said:

Why is that a bad thing? You may not like it and you may feel that it goes against your own values and perception of liberty, but again the law does not target you. I personally find swearing in movies and shows humorous when done right of course, but if some people feel the opposite then so be it. If some people are feeling the need to promote traditional values then again so be it, whatever makes them sleep better at night. Its not like banning swearing in movies would undermine the quality of life for Russians or anything. I bet they have better things to worry about.

I know this may sound quite shocking to some of you, but there are cultures and peoples out there that do not share the same values of other- currently more dominant cultures. With that said, you may question the intentions and pretexts of that legislation, but that would be a different matter than questioning the legislation itself.

While I dislike limitations of freedom beyond corrigibility, you are correct. We are entitled to our opinions, but not the imposing of our will upon other cultures.

#17 Edited by toast_burner (21670 posts) -

@GazaAli said:

@toast_burner said:

@GazaAli said:

@toast_burner said:

@GazaAli said:

Why is that a bad thing? You may not like it and you may feel that it goes against your own values and perception of liberty, but again the law does not target you. I personally find swearing in movies and shows humorous when done right of course, but if some people feel the opposite then so be it. If some people are feeling the need to promote traditional values then again so be it, whatever makes them sleep better at night. Its not like banning swearing in movies would undermine the quality of life for Russians or anything. I bet they have better things to worry about.

I know this may sound quite shocking to some of you, but there are cultures and peoples out there that do not share the same values of other- currently more dominant cultures. With that said, you may question the intentions and pretexts of that legislation, but that would be a different matter than questioning the legislation itself.

If you don't like swearing don't watch films that contain swearing.

why am I not surprised you are ok with this? it seems you just hate people and will support anything that limits other peoples freedom.

Oh please, what is "you just hate people" supposed to mean in this instance? I never said that I support the law; instead, all that I said is that if Russians feel that the law is of expediency to them then so be it. I think I made it clear that I find swearing humorous.

I don't support something that supposedly limits people's freedom because I hate people. If I ever do that then it stems from a conviction that people have too much freedom, freedom that they neither honor nor deserve more often than not. If I ever do support such laws and decrees it is because in that instance the liberty in question appears to be pathological to me rather than conducive to goodness and utility.

Do the Russian people support this law? I've met a lot of Russians and all of them except one swore more than anyone else I've ever met (the reason the person who didn't swear gave for not liking swearing was that way to many people swear in Russia)

This seems more like an attempt to force people to change than to help people.

Even if the majority of Russians did support it why would that make it ok? If the majority wanted to ban Islam would you also be defending that?

I do not know if they support it or not. In case that they do not support it, then its up to them to change it, its not like I would attempt to coerce them into adopting this legislation or any other legislation for that matter. And let us not resort to anecdotes as this topic is still taking its first steps, way too early for that.

It wouldn't necessarily make it ok but it makes it their problem not anybody's else. And I wouldn't be defending the demand of a majority to ban Islam simply because I don't believe that Islam should be banned, exactly like I wouldn't defend a majority's demand to ban atheism. I'm not sure where you're getting to with this. I can see how a society would attempt to ban public profanity, but I can't see why a society would attempt to ban a belief or a lack of one.

So you defend Russia banning being openly gay but you wouldn't be ok with them banning being openly Muslim? That's completely hypocritical.

I don't believe you honestly are ok with this law. You seem like an incredibly hateful person who only defends stuff like this because you like harming people.

#18 Posted by comp_atkins (31432 posts) -

meh. it's russia

#19 Edited by GazaAli (22858 posts) -

@toast_burner said:

@GazaAli said:

@toast_burner said:

@GazaAli said:

@toast_burner said:

@GazaAli said:

Why is that a bad thing? You may not like it and you may feel that it goes against your own values and perception of liberty, but again the law does not target you. I personally find swearing in movies and shows humorous when done right of course, but if some people feel the opposite then so be it. If some people are feeling the need to promote traditional values then again so be it, whatever makes them sleep better at night. Its not like banning swearing in movies would undermine the quality of life for Russians or anything. I bet they have better things to worry about.

I know this may sound quite shocking to some of you, but there are cultures and peoples out there that do not share the same values of other- currently more dominant cultures. With that said, you may question the intentions and pretexts of that legislation, but that would be a different matter than questioning the legislation itself.

If you don't like swearing don't watch films that contain swearing.

why am I not surprised you are ok with this? it seems you just hate people and will support anything that limits other peoples freedom.

Oh please, what is "you just hate people" supposed to mean in this instance? I never said that I support the law; instead, all that I said is that if Russians feel that the law is of expediency to them then so be it. I think I made it clear that I find swearing humorous.

I don't support something that supposedly limits people's freedom because I hate people. If I ever do that then it stems from a conviction that people have too much freedom, freedom that they neither honor nor deserve more often than not. If I ever do support such laws and decrees it is because in that instance the liberty in question appears to be pathological to me rather than conducive to goodness and utility.

Do the Russian people support this law? I've met a lot of Russians and all of them except one swore more than anyone else I've ever met (the reason the person who didn't swear gave for not liking swearing was that way to many people swear in Russia)

This seems more like an attempt to force people to change than to help people.

Even if the majority of Russians did support it why would that make it ok? If the majority wanted to ban Islam would you also be defending that?

I do not know if they support it or not. In case that they do not support it, then its up to them to change it, its not like I would attempt to coerce them into adopting this legislation or any other legislation for that matter. And let us not resort to anecdotes as this topic is still taking its first steps, way too early for that.

It wouldn't necessarily make it ok but it makes it their problem not anybody's else. And I wouldn't be defending the demand of a majority to ban Islam simply because I don't believe that Islam should be banned, exactly like I wouldn't defend a majority's demand to ban atheism. I'm not sure where you're getting to with this. I can see how a society would attempt to ban public profanity, but I can't see why a society would attempt to ban a belief or a lack of one.

So you defend Russia banning being openly gay but you wouldn't be ok with them banning being openly Muslim? That's completely hypocritical.

I don't believe you honestly are ok with this law. You seem like an incredibly hateful person who only defends stuff like this because you like harming people.

You seem to lack the comprehension skills to understand that there's a difference between supporting a belief, an opinion or a conviction and seeing the logic behind it. And you seem to lack the necessary intelligence to understand the difference that I illustrated for you in my last post.

What is so alien and outlandish about this law that makes it impossible for you to believe that someone may be ok with it or understand its rationale? For all I know most cultures look down on and condemn public profanity. Seriously stop for a moment and think about it. and I find it hilarious that this is what you think of me. You need to grow thicker skin my friend, and may be a pair of balls too.

#20 Posted by vl4d_l3nin (970 posts) -

It seems Russian culture has always been defined by their governments and not the people.

#21 Edited by toast_burner (21670 posts) -

@GazaAli said:

@toast_burner said:

@GazaAli said:

@toast_burner said:

@GazaAli said:

@toast_burner said:

@GazaAli said:

Why is that a bad thing? You may not like it and you may feel that it goes against your own values and perception of liberty, but again the law does not target you. I personally find swearing in movies and shows humorous when done right of course, but if some people feel the opposite then so be it. If some people are feeling the need to promote traditional values then again so be it, whatever makes them sleep better at night. Its not like banning swearing in movies would undermine the quality of life for Russians or anything. I bet they have better things to worry about.

I know this may sound quite shocking to some of you, but there are cultures and peoples out there that do not share the same values of other- currently more dominant cultures. With that said, you may question the intentions and pretexts of that legislation, but that would be a different matter than questioning the legislation itself.

If you don't like swearing don't watch films that contain swearing.

why am I not surprised you are ok with this? it seems you just hate people and will support anything that limits other peoples freedom.

Oh please, what is "you just hate people" supposed to mean in this instance? I never said that I support the law; instead, all that I said is that if Russians feel that the law is of expediency to them then so be it. I think I made it clear that I find swearing humorous.

I don't support something that supposedly limits people's freedom because I hate people. If I ever do that then it stems from a conviction that people have too much freedom, freedom that they neither honor nor deserve more often than not. If I ever do support such laws and decrees it is because in that instance the liberty in question appears to be pathological to me rather than conducive to goodness and utility.

Do the Russian people support this law? I've met a lot of Russians and all of them except one swore more than anyone else I've ever met (the reason the person who didn't swear gave for not liking swearing was that way to many people swear in Russia)

This seems more like an attempt to force people to change than to help people.

Even if the majority of Russians did support it why would that make it ok? If the majority wanted to ban Islam would you also be defending that?

I do not know if they support it or not. In case that they do not support it, then its up to them to change it, its not like I would attempt to coerce them into adopting this legislation or any other legislation for that matter. And let us not resort to anecdotes as this topic is still taking its first steps, way too early for that.

It wouldn't necessarily make it ok but it makes it their problem not anybody's else. And I wouldn't be defending the demand of a majority to ban Islam simply because I don't believe that Islam should be banned, exactly like I wouldn't defend a majority's demand to ban atheism. I'm not sure where you're getting to with this. I can see how a society would attempt to ban public profanity, but I can't see why a society would attempt to ban a belief or a lack of one.

So you defend Russia banning being openly gay but you wouldn't be ok with them banning being openly Muslim? That's completely hypocritical.

I don't believe you honestly are ok with this law. You seem like an incredibly hateful person who only defends stuff like this because you like harming people.

You seem to lack the comprehension skills to understand that there's a difference between supporting a belief, an opinion or a conviction and seeing the logic behind it. And you seem to lack the necessary intelligence to understand the difference that I illustrated for you in my last post.

What is so alien and outlandish about this law that makes it impossible for you to believe that someone may be ok with it or understand its rationale? For all I know most cultures look down and condemn public profanity. Seriously stop for a moment and think about it. and I find it hilarious that this is what you think of me. You need to grow thicker skin my friend, and may be a pair of balls too.

And what is the logic behind it other than wanting to control the population? This is just like New Speak from 1984 (a book based on the actions of the soviet union) If you fail to see the connection this and all the other recent laws Russia has passed that infringe peoples rights to the authoritarian nature of the soviet union then you are incredibly stupid.

I don't think you are an irrational person just because of this. But the incredibly large amount of stupid and irrational things you have said before this.

#22 Posted by BranKetra (48624 posts) -

Let's refrain from ad hominem attacks, shall we?

#23 Edited by toast_burner (21670 posts) -

@BranKetra said:

Let's refrain from ad hominem attacks, shall we?

It's not ad hominem. This law is connected to all the other oppressive laws passed by Russia recently.

#24 Edited by GazaAli (22858 posts) -

@toast_burner said:

@GazaAli said:

@toast_burner said:

@GazaAli said:

@toast_burner said:

@GazaAli said:

@toast_burner said:

@GazaAli said:

Why is that a bad thing? You may not like it and you may feel that it goes against your own values and perception of liberty, but again the law does not target you. I personally find swearing in movies and shows humorous when done right of course, but if some people feel the opposite then so be it. If some people are feeling the need to promote traditional values then again so be it, whatever makes them sleep better at night. Its not like banning swearing in movies would undermine the quality of life for Russians or anything. I bet they have better things to worry about.

I know this may sound quite shocking to some of you, but there are cultures and peoples out there that do not share the same values of other- currently more dominant cultures. With that said, you may question the intentions and pretexts of that legislation, but that would be a different matter than questioning the legislation itself.

If you don't like swearing don't watch films that contain swearing.

why am I not surprised you are ok with this? it seems you just hate people and will support anything that limits other peoples freedom.

Oh please, what is "you just hate people" supposed to mean in this instance? I never said that I support the law; instead, all that I said is that if Russians feel that the law is of expediency to them then so be it. I think I made it clear that I find swearing humorous.

I don't support something that supposedly limits people's freedom because I hate people. If I ever do that then it stems from a conviction that people have too much freedom, freedom that they neither honor nor deserve more often than not. If I ever do support such laws and decrees it is because in that instance the liberty in question appears to be pathological to me rather than conducive to goodness and utility.

Do the Russian people support this law? I've met a lot of Russians and all of them except one swore more than anyone else I've ever met (the reason the person who didn't swear gave for not liking swearing was that way to many people swear in Russia)

This seems more like an attempt to force people to change than to help people.

Even if the majority of Russians did support it why would that make it ok? If the majority wanted to ban Islam would you also be defending that?

I do not know if they support it or not. In case that they do not support it, then its up to them to change it, its not like I would attempt to coerce them into adopting this legislation or any other legislation for that matter. And let us not resort to anecdotes as this topic is still taking its first steps, way too early for that.

It wouldn't necessarily make it ok but it makes it their problem not anybody's else. And I wouldn't be defending the demand of a majority to ban Islam simply because I don't believe that Islam should be banned, exactly like I wouldn't defend a majority's demand to ban atheism. I'm not sure where you're getting to with this. I can see how a society would attempt to ban public profanity, but I can't see why a society would attempt to ban a belief or a lack of one.

So you defend Russia banning being openly gay but you wouldn't be ok with them banning being openly Muslim? That's completely hypocritical.

I don't believe you honestly are ok with this law. You seem like an incredibly hateful person who only defends stuff like this because you like harming people.

You seem to lack the comprehension skills to understand that there's a difference between supporting a belief, an opinion or a conviction and seeing the logic behind it. And you seem to lack the necessary intelligence to understand the difference that I illustrated for you in my last post.

What is so alien and outlandish about this law that makes it impossible for you to believe that someone may be ok with it or understand its rationale? For all I know most cultures look down and condemn public profanity. Seriously stop for a moment and think about it. and I find it hilarious that this is what you think of me. You need to grow thicker skin my friend, and may be a pair of balls too.

And what is the logic behind it other than wanting to control the population? This is just like New Speak from 1984 (a book based on the actions of the soviet union) If you fail to see the connection this and all the other recent laws Russia has passed that infringe peoples rights to the authoritarian nature of the soviet union then you are incredibly stupid.

I don't think you are an irrational person just because of this. But the incredibly large amount of stupid and irrational things you have said before this.

You kind of diverged from whatever we were discussing with this blathering and drivel. And you acknowledged your intellectual bankruptcy by resorting to ad hominem pitiful attacks and incivility. You may think what I provide in discussions is stupid and irrational but at least I offer something and it is up to the reader to decide whether it is of any value or not. You on the other hand has proven your inability to go beyond "Nay nay, liberty and freedom, do not touch, you are a bigot" platitudes and off-the-shelves.

#25 Edited by xdude85 (4421 posts) -

No fun allowed in other words.

#26 Posted by GazaAli (22858 posts) -

@toast_burner said:

@BranKetra said:

Let's refrain from ad hominem attacks, shall we?

It's not ad hominem. This law is connected to all the other oppressive laws passed by Russia recently.

I'm not sure you understand what ad hominem means. Besides, are you really that benevolent and altruistic of an individual that you get that excited and concerned about what you perceive as oppressive laws in Russia? You know, seeing how Russia and the UK are pretty much at the far ends of the planet. If that's the case then you have some peculiar priorities.

#27 Posted by toast_burner (21670 posts) -

@GazaAli said:

@toast_burner said:

@BranKetra said:

Let's refrain from ad hominem attacks, shall we?

It's not ad hominem. This law is connected to all the other oppressive laws passed by Russia recently.

I'm not sure you understand what ad hominem means. Besides, are you really that benevolent and altruistic of an individual that you get that excited and concerned about what you perceive as oppressive laws in Russia? You know, seeing how Russia and the UK are pretty much at the far ends of the planet. If that's the case then you have some peculiar priorities.

An ad hominem attack would be something along the lines of "You didn't go to college so why should anyone listen to what you say"

Pointing out your complete lack of understanding of the situation in Russia and human rights when discussing Russia and human rights is not an ad hominem attack.

The reason I care so much about what happens in Russia is because like I said I know people from there. I've seen the pain and suffering that the government is causing to it's people.

#28 Posted by BranKetra (48624 posts) -

@toast_burner said:

@BranKetra said:

Let's refrain from ad hominem attacks, shall we?

It's not ad hominem. This law is connected to all the other oppressive laws passed by Russia recently.

I was referring to messages in this thread.

#29 Posted by ad1x2 (5623 posts) -

Assuming this is true, I can't help to laugh at the irony that this is the country Edward Snowden chose to apply for asylum in over the fact that the US is supposedly against the rights of its citizens.

#30 Posted by HoolaHoopMan (7799 posts) -

Russia has its insane conservative purists too it seems. Banning/limiting freedom of expression has always lead to great things.

#31 Posted by byof_america (1379 posts) -

Way to pussify your country Russia. Not even black belt, bear slaying, eye laser shooting, country toppling president is manly enough to save you now.

#32 Posted by InEMplease (6335 posts) -

However unattractive swearing may be, it shouldn't be banned.

#33 Posted by Aljosa23 (24984 posts) -

@ad1x2 said:

Assuming this is true, I can't help to laugh at the irony that this is the country Edward Snowden chose to apply for asylum in over the fact that the US is supposedly against the rights of its citizens.

Snowden was stranded in Russia, he didn't decide to go there until it was a final option. Come on, that's basic stuff. If you're going to take a jab at him at least be accurate.

#34 Edited by sherman-tank1 (8135 posts) -
@GazaAli said:

@toast_burner said:

@BranKetra said:

Let's refrain from ad hominem attacks, shall we?

It's not ad hominem. This law is connected to all the other oppressive laws passed by Russia recently.

I'm not sure you understand what ad hominem means. Besides, are you really that benevolent and altruistic of an individual that you get that excited and concerned about what you perceive as oppressive laws in Russia? You know, seeing how Russia and the UK are pretty much at the far ends of the planet. If that's the case then you have some peculiar priorities.

Not taking a side here, but you are acting like it is wrong to care for those who are oppressed by a dictator that acts as the president of Russia (yes he is a dictator). Should we have no remorse for the people of Syria or Iraq? Or the men and women that suffer in Sudan? That is what your logic is saying.

#35 Posted by LostProphetFLCL (17407 posts) -

Well fuck Russia then...

#36 Edited by lamprey263 (23957 posts) -

@Aljosa23 said:

@ad1x2 said:

Assuming this is true, I can't help to laugh at the irony that this is the country Edward Snowden chose to apply for asylum in over the fact that the US is supposedly against the rights of its citizens.

Snowden was stranded in Russia, he didn't decide to go there until it was a final option. Come on, that's basic stuff. If you're going to take a jab at him at least be accurate.

yeah, I don't imagine Snowden would have leaked the info he leaked if he hated his home country, quite the opposite

he had to flee though because doing what he did would have meant spending the best years of his life in a small lonely prison cell, as fucked up as Russia is it sounds a lot better than that

#37 Posted by wis3boi (31382 posts) -

@toast_burner said:

Russia is on a downwards spiral.

there never was a good time in russian history, I like to say their historical motto is "It can't get worse, could it?" And then it does

#38 Posted by wis3boi (31382 posts) -
@toast_burner said:

@GazaAli said:

@toast_burner said:

@BranKetra said:

Let's refrain from ad hominem attacks, shall we?

It's not ad hominem. This law is connected to all the other oppressive laws passed by Russia recently.

I'm not sure you understand what ad hominem means. Besides, are you really that benevolent and altruistic of an individual that you get that excited and concerned about what you perceive as oppressive laws in Russia? You know, seeing how Russia and the UK are pretty much at the far ends of the planet. If that's the case then you have some peculiar priorities.

An ad hominem attack would be something along the lines of "You didn't go to college so why should anyone listen to what you say"

Pointing out your complete lack of understanding of the situation in Russia and human rights when discussing Russia and human rights is not an ad hominem attack.

The reason I care so much about what happens in Russia is because like I said I know people from there. I've seen the pain and suffering that the government is causing to it's people.

Ah, the ad hominem...the most wrongly used fallacy on the internet. Thanks for using the correct definition.

#39 Posted by Master_Live (14657 posts) -

I like it. Should bring some of that to the US.

#40 Posted by JangoWuzHere (16439 posts) -

How can the people stand for this?

#41 Posted by lamprey263 (23957 posts) -

@JangoWuzHere said:

How can the people stand for this?

the current regime squashes dissent

but, like in the OP it's mentioned that the people of Russia get their licks in where they can, like the 100k+ petition demanding that one of their lawmakers responsible for numerous stupid bills be subjected to a mental health evaluation from the nations leading mental health experts

#42 Posted by ad1x2 (5623 posts) -

@lamprey263 said:

@Aljosa23 said:

@ad1x2 said:

Assuming this is true, I can't help to laugh at the irony that this is the country Edward Snowden chose to apply for asylum in over the fact that the US is supposedly against the rights of its citizens.

Snowden was stranded in Russia, he didn't decide to go there until it was a final option. Come on, that's basic stuff. If you're going to take a jab at him at least be accurate.

yeah, I don't imagine Snowden would have leaked the info he leaked if he hated his home country, quite the opposite

he had to flee though because doing what he did would have meant spending the best years of his life in a small lonely prison cell, as fucked up as Russia is it sounds a lot better than that

Snowden chose Russia when he told the media to reveal his identity before he was in the country he actually wanted to apply for amnesty in. He had a top secret clearance and signed numerous nondisclosure agreements, so if his intention wasn't to be stuck in Russia it should have clicked somewhere in his noggin his passport would be pulled as soon as his identity was revealed.

Besides, he is a hero to a lot of people right now. If he stayed and faced trial his supporters would have probably raised millions to pay for a team of lawyers for him. The only thing that really screwed him over was he didn't stop with the domestic NSA programs. With those programs his lawyers could have argued that he felt they violated the Fourth Amendment and got a sympathetic jury to acquit him.

Where he screwed up is by showing the world how we tracked foreign countries as well as how we tracked insurgents in combat zones we currently have US troops deployed to. Foreign countries don't get protection under the US Constitution. His lawyers probably would have still got him a slap on the wrist because of Uncle Sam not wanting mass protests or even riots if they put him away for life or gave him the death penalty.

One more thing is the people who hate him the most aren't in Washington, D.C. They are in Silicon Valley, Washington state, and any other place with major tech companies. Companies in the US are estimated to lose billions over the leaks. Even Microsoft lost money over people who refused to buy the Xbox One not because they didn't have the money or thought it sucked but because they were convinced Kinect would send a 24 hour direct feed of their living room to the NSA.

Companies who sell VPNs are making a killing off of him, though. At least one company actually named one of their VPNs the "Edward Snowden Edition" to ride the scandal. Wonder if Snowden was offered any of the proceeds from the sales.

#43 Posted by VaguelyTagged (10170 posts) -

it's not surprising that a stupid /pointless law has been passed under a totalitarian regime. also, it doesn't matter even if all of Russians are in favor of this; a law that goes against civil liberties is no law at all. every single crime against humanity has been committed under some kind of a law; that doesn't make it justified.

#44 Posted by joehult (366 posts) -

Sounds like Putin and Bloomberg would make a good pair. The health nazis, and the chronic banning nanny states, always leads to some form of fascism/tyrannical rule.

First they force seatbelts, then they ban fireworks, censor shit to protect the "children," ban smoking and affordable transportation to clean up the air, that leads to banning sugars, cholesterol, and finally meat, then they start banning what a select few find obscene. By the time they start telling us how to vote, the guns are gone.

#45 Posted by Boddicker (2744 posts) -

Well..............Russia won't ever be known for it's films until this is repealed.

#46 Posted by TruthTellers (3397 posts) -

@toast_burner said:

Russia is on a downwards spiral.

So far from the truth. Russia's economy is based on natural resources and is in complete control of the gas pipelines that heat Europe during the Winter months. Russia is growing more powerful every day, but I don't expect a moron like you to make a thought based on reason and logic.

#47 Posted by toast_burner (21670 posts) -

@TruthTellers said:

@toast_burner said:

Russia is on a downwards spiral.

So far from the truth. Russia's economy is based on natural resources and is in complete control of the gas pipelines that heat Europe during the Winter months. Russia is growing more powerful every day, but I don't expect a moron like you to make a thought based on reason and logic.

Did I really need to specify that I was referring to it's society, not it's economics? You'd have to be incredibly stupid not to understand what I meant.

#48 Posted by The_Last_Ride (71828 posts) -

Russia is going back to the dark ages. Invading countries like Georgia, Chechnya and Ukraine and anti gay laws. It's going down the drain

#49 Posted by airshocker (29695 posts) -

@GazaAli said:

Why is that a bad thing? You may not like it and you may feel that it goes against your own values and perception of liberty, but again the law does not target you. I personally find swearing in movies and shows humorous when done right of course, but if some people feel the opposite then so be it. If some people are feeling the need to promote traditional values then again so be it, whatever makes them sleep better at night. Its not like banning swearing in movies would undermine the quality of life for Russians or anything. I bet they have better things to worry about.

I know this may sound quite shocking to some of you, but there are cultures and peoples out there that do not share the same values of other- currently more dominant cultures. With that said, you may question the intentions and pretexts of that legislation, but that would be a different matter than questioning the legislation itself.

Because freedom is a natural human right. It doesn't matter if some cultures do not share those values because those people aren't given a choice on the matter. Humanity will never progress while some portion of us are stuck living under totalitarian control.

#50 Posted by ChronosChris (277 posts) -

So Russia is turning into another North Korea.. Or was it always like that?