Republicans, what is your response to this?

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#1 Posted by lo_Pine (5048 posts) -

Republicans often like to tout how they are the "fiscally responsible party." They say that their party knows how to handle the budget. Most often times, they cite Ronald Reagan as being a great example of conservatism.

 

But when you actually look at the data, the exact opposite is true as far as budget deficit numbers are true.

 

Source: Congressional Budget Office

 The years are color coded according to the party of the presidents.

As you can see, the years Reagan was President the budget deficit increased. As did under George H. Bush and his son, and Nixon and Ford.

 

Republicans, when you look at data like this what is your response?

#2 Posted by The_Lipscomb (2187 posts) -

Too drunk to understand what's going on with that graph.

#3 Posted by mattbbpl (10572 posts) -
#4 Posted by Laihendi (5819 posts) -
Almost anyone is a fiscal conservative compared to Obama.
#5 Posted by DroidPhysX (17089 posts) -
Almost anyone is a fiscal conservative compared to Obama.Laihendi
That crush on Obama is showing again.
#6 Posted by Ace6301 (21389 posts) -
Almost anyone is a fiscal conservative compared to Obama.Laihendi
Poor guy. Stops hiding money that was being spent anyway and gets flak when every year he's reducing the deficit while keeping taxes at record lows.
#7 Posted by lo_Pine (5048 posts) -
Almost anyone is a fiscal conservative compared to Obama.Laihendi
This thread has nothing to do with Obama himself. Even if it did, Obama undeniably inherited the worst recession since The Great Depression. One that was only exacerbated by his Republican predecessor George W. Bush. What's even more damaging to Republicans is that Bush inherited a budget surplus, but the Republicans still managed to erase that progress and increase the deficit. But again, you bring up Obama for some reason.
#8 Posted by surrealnumber5 (23044 posts) -
politics: my bad guy is good because your bad guy is bad. you are still claiming bad people as your idol. i would think Marxists would understand the Hegelian dialectic, but nah, they feed into the game and act unwittingly for the synthesis they would other wise oppose. but who cares as long as "we" move ForWar(D)
#9 Posted by Laihendi (5819 posts) -
[QUOTE="Laihendi"]Almost anyone is a fiscal conservative compared to Obama.lo_Pine
This thread has nothing to do with Obama himself. Even if it did, Obama undeniably inherited the worst recession since The Great Depression. One that was only exacerbated by his Republican predecessor George W. Bush. What's even more damaging to Republicans is that Bush inherited a budget surplus, but the Republicans still managed to erase that progress and increase the deficit. But again, you bring up Obama for some reason.

The "inheritance" excuse is ridiculous. Obama could end the obscene deficit spending any time he wanted, but he does not. And to claim that he lowered the deficit is just ignorant. The 2009-2013 deficits are the 5 highest in US history by far. The deficit dropping by a couple hundred billion dollars does not mean much when it went up by a trillion during his first year. I am bringing up Obama because he demonstrates that the democrats are by no means fiscally responsible. If Bill Clinton was fiscally responsible then he would speak out against Obama, but he does not so he is not fiscally responsible either regardless of the surplus.
#10 Posted by Jacobistheman (3975 posts) -

Well, there are a few things to say: the first is that the president doesn't pass the budget, congress does. Second, a lot of the deficit has to do with the state of the economy, and at the beginning of Regan's, both Bush's and Obama's terms, there were recessions that cause the deficit to increase. 
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#11 Posted by Laihendi (5819 posts) -
[QUOTE="Laihendi"]Almost anyone is a fiscal conservative compared to Obama.Ace6301
Poor guy. Stops hiding money that was being spent anyway and gets flak when every year he's reducing the deficit while keeping taxes at record lows.

There only reason taxes are not going up is because the GOP is doing everything it can to stop Obama. To say that Obama is working to keep taxes down is ignorant.
#12 Posted by mattbbpl (10572 posts) -
[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Laihendi"]Almost anyone is a fiscal conservative compared to Obama.Laihendi
Poor guy. Stops hiding money that was being spent anyway and gets flak when every year he's reducing the deficit while keeping taxes at record lows.

There only reason taxes are not going up is because the GOP is doing everything it can to stop Obama. To say that Obama is working to keep taxes down is ignorant.

Except for those payroll tax cuts he championed.

Not that I think they were a good idea, mind you. Ditto for extending the Bush tax cuts.
#13 Posted by Jacobistheman (3975 posts) -
[QUOTE="Laihendi"]Almost anyone is a fiscal conservative compared to Obama.lo_Pine
This thread has nothing to do with Obama himself. Even if it did, Obama undeniably inherited the worst recession since The Great Depression. One that was only exacerbated by his Republican predecessor George W. Bush. What's even more damaging to Republicans is that Bush inherited a budget surplus, but the Republicans still managed to erase that progress and increase the deficit. But again, you bring up Obama for some reason.

Bush also inherited a tech bubble and a housing bubble. The tech bubble popped (along with 9/11) and caused the surplus (which was created by a republican congress + Clinton) to turn into a deficit. The housing bubble caused the current recession, but you cannot blame bush for the current deficit. Spending has blow up under Obama, including a bunch of failed attempts to jumpstart the economy.
#14 Posted by DroidPhysX (17089 posts) -
Forgot Lai is the same person that thought you could veto legislation that was signed into law 18 months prior to becoming president.
#15 Posted by roulettethedog (10963 posts) -

Medicare/ Social Security are the two biggest reasons for the deficit. And guess who votes at a higher rate among its demographic? The Elderly.

#16 Posted by Serraph105 (27841 posts) -
[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Laihendi"]Almost anyone is a fiscal conservative compared to Obama.Laihendi
Poor guy. Stops hiding money that was being spent anyway and gets flak when every year he's reducing the deficit while keeping taxes at record lows.

There only reason taxes are not going up is because the GOP is doing everything it can to stop Obama. To say that Obama is working to keep taxes down is ignorant.

the interesting thing here Lai is that you could just argue that the tax cuts Obama put in place (and extended) was a bad decision and OT would agree with you. Instead you insist putting forth your revisionist history, and OT feels compelled to argue with you because what you are stating is wrong.
#17 Posted by Ace6301 (21389 posts) -
[QUOTE="Serraph105"][QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="Ace6301"] Poor guy. Stops hiding money that was being spent anyway and gets flak when every year he's reducing the deficit while keeping taxes at record lows.

There only reason taxes are not going up is because the GOP is doing everything it can to stop Obama. To say that Obama is working to keep taxes down is ignorant.

the interesting thing here Lai is that you could just argue that the tax cuts Obama put in place (and extended) was a bad decision and OT would agree with you. Instead you insist putting forth your revisionist history, and OT feels compelled to argue with you because what you are stating is wrong.

Lai probably doesn't feel there is such a thing as tax cuts being a bad decision though. Obama has done a lot of dumb stuff but it's just a simple fact that he's had various tax cuts while also reducing the deficit.

Roulette: I'd say social security is an expense worth having. Sure you could trim it down a little without affecting quality but that would take time, money upfront and effort and seemingly no one wants to bother. Medicare and social security are expensive but they at least accomplish what they set out to do with some success. In my opinion it's like the electric bill in a house. You don't really need it to survive but things are a lot more comfortable when you're paying it.
#18 Posted by radicalcentrist (320 posts) -

There's this thing called the "business cycle" and it has nothing to do with whichever party happens to hold the white house.

#19 Posted by lo_Pine (5048 posts) -
[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Laihendi"]Almost anyone is a fiscal conservative compared to Obama.Laihendi
Poor guy. Stops hiding money that was being spent anyway and gets flak when every year he's reducing the deficit while keeping taxes at record lows.

There only reason taxes are not going up is because the GOP is doing everything it can to stop Obama. To say that Obama is working to keep taxes down is ignorant.

Decreasing the tax rate and increasing government spending is what helps grow the economy. Decreasing tax rates and increasing government spending increases the deficit. In terms of fiscal expansionary policy this is exactly what you would expect. But what has, in fact happened, is tax rates have remained low, which obviously isn't good for the deficit. In order to decrease the deficit you must increase the tax rates and lower government spending. That is indisputable. What I mean is that if you are trying to discredit Obama for keeping tax rates low then you are not arguing for decreasing the deficit, as you would be crediting Congress. You'd actually be implying Obama is trying to decrease the deficit by wanting to raise taxes instead of keeping them the same.
#20 Posted by TheWalkingGhost (5150 posts) -

Medicare/ Social Security are the two biggest reasons for the deficit. And guess who votes at a higher rate among its demographic? The Elderly.

roulettethedog
Social Security is funded by a dedicated tax. Conservatives have to stop scapegoating a program they know nothing about. The biggest drivers of the debt are actually low tax rates and bloated defense spending. Oh and TC, Congress passes the budget not the President. How many of those were under Republican congress?
#21 Posted by AdamPA1006 (6418 posts) -
[QUOTE="roulettethedog"]

Medicare/ Social Security are the two biggest reasons for the deficit. And guess who votes at a higher rate among its demographic? The Elderly.

TheWalkingGhost
Social Security is funded by a dedicated tax. Conservatives have to stop scapegoating a program they know nothing about. The biggest drivers of the debt are actually low tax rates and bloated defense spending. Oh and TC, Congress passes the budget not the President. How many of those were under Republican congress?

Is there any proof for either side? We have all heard both arguments
#22 Posted by lo_Pine (5048 posts) -
[QUOTE="lo_Pine"][QUOTE="Laihendi"]Almost anyone is a fiscal conservative compared to Obama.Laihendi
This thread has nothing to do with Obama himself. Even if it did, Obama undeniably inherited the worst recession since The Great Depression. One that was only exacerbated by his Republican predecessor George W. Bush. What's even more damaging to Republicans is that Bush inherited a budget surplus, but the Republicans still managed to erase that progress and increase the deficit. But again, you bring up Obama for some reason.

The "inheritance" excuse is ridiculous. Obama could end the obscene deficit spending any time he wanted, but he does not. And to claim that he lowered the deficit is just ignorant. The 2009-2013 deficits are the 5 highest in US history by far. The deficit dropping by a couple hundred billion dollars does not mean much when it went up by a trillion during his first year. I am bringing up Obama because he demonstrates that the democrats are by no means fiscally responsible. If Bill Clinton was fiscally responsible then he would speak out against Obama, but he does not so he is not fiscally responsible either regardless of the surplus.

Lai, I gotta ask. If you are so against government spending and believe that what must give in the government budget balance is government spending, then are you some sort of millionaire salary earner? What could possibly be your incentive for lowering the tax rates if you, yourself, are not a high earner?
#23 Posted by -Sun_Tzu- (17384 posts) -
[QUOTE="lo_Pine"][QUOTE="Laihendi"]Almost anyone is a fiscal conservative compared to Obama.Jacobistheman
This thread has nothing to do with Obama himself. Even if it did, Obama undeniably inherited the worst recession since The Great Depression. One that was only exacerbated by his Republican predecessor George W. Bush. What's even more damaging to Republicans is that Bush inherited a budget surplus, but the Republicans still managed to erase that progress and increase the deficit. But again, you bring up Obama for some reason.

Bush also inherited a tech bubble and a housing bubble. The tech bubble popped (along with 9/11) and caused the surplus (which was created by a republican congress + Clinton) to turn into a deficit. The housing bubble caused the current recession, but you cannot blame bush for the current deficit. Spending has blow up under Obama, including a bunch of failed attempts to jumpstart the economy.

Um, no. One of the main reasons why the Bush tax cuts were passed was because Republicans thought that the budget surplus was too large and that we were paying down the debt too fast. The fiscal policy of the Bush administration was designed to create a budget deficit.
#24 Posted by turtlethetaffer (16686 posts) -

Can we just agree that both parties suck ass?

#25 Posted by Serraph105 (27841 posts) -

Can we just agree that both parties suck ass?

turtlethetaffer
not really.......
#26 Posted by TheWalkingGhost (5150 posts) -

Can we just agree that both parties suck ass?

turtlethetaffer
Yes
#27 Posted by lo_Pine (5048 posts) -
[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

Can we just agree that both parties suck ass?

TheWalkingGhost
Yes

Yes, I also agree. But Republicans don't want to compromise. That is the problem.
#28 Posted by Blue-Sky (10315 posts) -

[QUOTE="lo_Pine"][QUOTE="Laihendi"]Almost anyone is a fiscal conservative compared to Obama.Laihendi
This thread has nothing to do with Obama himself. Even if it did, Obama undeniably inherited the worst recession since The Great Depression. One that was only exacerbated by his Republican predecessor George W. Bush. What's even more damaging to Republicans is that Bush inherited a budget surplus, but the Republicans still managed to erase that progress and increase the deficit. But again, you bring up Obama for some reason.

The "inheritance" excuse is ridiculous. Obama could end the obscene deficit spending any time he wanted, but he does not. And to claim that he lowered the deficit is just ignorant. The 2009-2013 deficits are the 5 highest in US history by far. The deficit dropping by a couple hundred billion dollars does not mean much when it went up by a trillion during his first year. I am bringing up Obama because he demonstrates that the democrats are by no means fiscally responsible. If Bill Clinton was fiscally responsible then he would speak out against Obama, but he does not so he is not fiscally responsible either regardless of the surplus.

The paul Ryan Budget, which the GOP adopted and passed in the House, takes 10 years to balance the budget.

Why is Obama incompetent for not "erasing" the deficit in 4 years, when the party you voted for, requires 10 years to accomplish it. 

#29 Posted by surrealnumber5 (23044 posts) -
[QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"][QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

Can we just agree that both parties suck ass?

lo_Pine
Yes

Yes, I also agree. But Republicans don't want to compromise. That is the problem.

political compromise between ass suckers, they agree to suck all the asses, solution? not one i want.
#30 Posted by Jacobistheman (3975 posts) -
[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Jacobistheman"][QUOTE="lo_Pine"] This thread has nothing to do with Obama himself. Even if it did, Obama undeniably inherited the worst recession since The Great Depression. One that was only exacerbated by his Republican predecessor George W. Bush. What's even more damaging to Republicans is that Bush inherited a budget surplus, but the Republicans still managed to erase that progress and increase the deficit. But again, you bring up Obama for some reason.

Bush also inherited a tech bubble and a housing bubble. The tech bubble popped (along with 9/11) and caused the surplus (which was created by a republican congress + Clinton) to turn into a deficit. The housing bubble caused the current recession, but you cannot blame bush for the current deficit. Spending has blow up under Obama, including a bunch of failed attempts to jumpstart the economy.

Um, no. One of the main reasons why the Bush tax cuts were passed was because Republicans thought that the budget surplus was too large and that we were paying down the debt too fast. The fiscal policy of the Bush administration was designed to create a budget deficit.

WUT? The reason we had a deficit under bush was that revenue went down during the recession in 2000-2001, there was more spending because of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and that the government didn't borrow money from social security instead of external sources.
#31 Posted by lo_Pine (5048 posts) -
[QUOTE="lo_Pine"][QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"]Yessurrealnumber5
Yes, I also agree. But Republicans don't want to compromise. That is the problem.

political compromise between ass suckers, they agree to suck all the asses, solution? not one i want.

Then speak up. Talk to them, protest, incite riots. In a democracy the politicians are only as stupid as the people they represent. No one is passionate anymore.
#32 Posted by Laihendi (5819 posts) -

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="lo_Pine"] This thread has nothing to do with Obama himself. Even if it did, Obama undeniably inherited the worst recession since The Great Depression. One that was only exacerbated by his Republican predecessor George W. Bush. What's even more damaging to Republicans is that Bush inherited a budget surplus, but the Republicans still managed to erase that progress and increase the deficit. But again, you bring up Obama for some reason.Blue-Sky

The "inheritance" excuse is ridiculous. Obama could end the obscene deficit spending any time he wanted, but he does not. And to claim that he lowered the deficit is just ignorant. The 2009-2013 deficits are the 5 highest in US history by far. The deficit dropping by a couple hundred billion dollars does not mean much when it went up by a trillion during his first year. I am bringing up Obama because he demonstrates that the democrats are by no means fiscally responsible. If Bill Clinton was fiscally responsible then he would speak out against Obama, but he does not so he is not fiscally responsible either regardless of the surplus.

The paul Ryan Budget, which the GOP adopted and passed in the House, takes 10 years to balance the budget.

Why is Obama incompetent for not "erasing" the deficit in 4 years, when the party you voted for, requires 10 years to accomplish it. 

I voted libertarian. You have no idea what you are talking about. And balancing the budget in 10 years is bad, but still a lot better than never balancing it at all (Obama's "stabilize the deficit" plan). Obama does not understand that what we need is no deficit, not a stable deficit, because deficits are bad. He is an idiot.
#33 Posted by surrealnumber5 (23044 posts) -
[QUOTE="lo_Pine"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="lo_Pine"] Yes, I also agree. But Republicans don't want to compromise. That is the problem.

political compromise between ass suckers, they agree to suck all the asses, solution? not one i want.

Then speak up. Talk to them, protest, incite riots. In a democracy the politicians are only as stupid as the people they represent. No one is passionate anymore.

"pubik"schooling at its finest. you expect people trained by politicians for politicians will turn on their masters? people are just products of their environment, sure we have higher cognition than other animals but we are still animals and we can be trained and conditioned if isolated from contrary ideas. say, 6-8 hours a day for your entire maturity.
#34 Posted by Laihendi (5819 posts) -
[QUOTE="lo_Pine"][QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="lo_Pine"] This thread has nothing to do with Obama himself. Even if it did, Obama undeniably inherited the worst recession since The Great Depression. One that was only exacerbated by his Republican predecessor George W. Bush. What's even more damaging to Republicans is that Bush inherited a budget surplus, but the Republicans still managed to erase that progress and increase the deficit. But again, you bring up Obama for some reason.

The "inheritance" excuse is ridiculous. Obama could end the obscene deficit spending any time he wanted, but he does not. And to claim that he lowered the deficit is just ignorant. The 2009-2013 deficits are the 5 highest in US history by far. The deficit dropping by a couple hundred billion dollars does not mean much when it went up by a trillion during his first year. I am bringing up Obama because he demonstrates that the democrats are by no means fiscally responsible. If Bill Clinton was fiscally responsible then he would speak out against Obama, but he does not so he is not fiscally responsible either regardless of the surplus.

Lai, I gotta ask. If you are so against government spending and believe that what must give in the government budget balance is government spending, then are you some sort of millionaire salary earner? What could possibly be your incentive for lowering the tax rates if you, yourself, are not a high earner?

Welfare societies kill the human spirit. They kill the desire to live, to succeed, and to accomplish great things. A welfare society is a society where heroes cannot exist - only slaves who toil for incompetents who believe that they deserve a good life because they are incompetent.
#35 Posted by lo_Pine (5048 posts) -
[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="lo_Pine"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] political compromise between ass suckers, they agree to suck all the asses, solution? not one i want.

Then speak up. Talk to them, protest, incite riots. In a democracy the politicians are only as stupid as the people they represent. No one is passionate anymore.

"pubik"schooling at its finest. you expect people trained by politicians for politicians will turn on their masters? people are just products of their environment, sure we have higher cognition than other animals but we are still animals and we can be trained and conditioned if isolated from contrary ideas. say, 6-8 hours a day for your entire maturity.

You don't have to expand this discussion to a universal degree by comparing us to animals. Politicians were also trained by your so called "publik schooling". If you believe "publik schooling" is so inferior, then you must rise above it and become powerful enough to influence the the politicians. You seem to have already identified the problem, which seems to be 'brainwashing'. What are you doing to stop it?
#36 Posted by -Sun_Tzu- (17384 posts) -

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Jacobistheman"] Bush also inherited a tech bubble and a housing bubble. The tech bubble popped (along with 9/11) and caused the surplus (which was created by a republican congress + Clinton) to turn into a deficit. The housing bubble caused the current recession, but you cannot blame bush for the current deficit. Spending has blow up under Obama, including a bunch of failed attempts to jumpstart the economy. Jacobistheman
Um, no. One of the main reasons why the Bush tax cuts were passed was because Republicans thought that the budget surplus was too large and that we were paying down the debt too fast. The fiscal policy of the Bush administration was designed to create a budget deficit.

WUT? The reason we had a deficit under bush was that revenue went down during the recession in 2000-2001, there was more spending because of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and that the government didn't borrow money from social security instead of external sources.

"The growing surplus exists because taxes are too high and government is charging more than it needs. The people of America have been overcharged, and on their behalf, I am here asking for a refund." - Dubya in his first state of the union address (he also proclaimed in the same speech that because of his tax policies millions of people won't have to pay federal income taxes all together, ironically these are the same people that would later be vilified by the same GOP as the "47%" - how easily we forget about these things).  

And the GOP was more or less right back then - having a budget surplus for the sake of having a budget surplus is terrible fiscal policy and demonstrates a fundamental misconception about what a budget surplus (and by extention budget deficits and the national debt) actually represents. 

#37 Posted by lo_Pine (5048 posts) -

[QUOTE="lo_Pine"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] The "inheritance" excuse is ridiculous. Obama could end the obscene deficit spending any time he wanted, but he does not. And to claim that he lowered the deficit is just ignorant. The 2009-2013 deficits are the 5 highest in US history by far. The deficit dropping by a couple hundred billion dollars does not mean much when it went up by a trillion during his first year. I am bringing up Obama because he demonstrates that the democrats are by no means fiscally responsible. If Bill Clinton was fiscally responsible then he would speak out against Obama, but he does not so he is not fiscally responsible either regardless of the surplus.Laihendi
Lai, I gotta ask. If you are so against government spending and believe that what must give in the government budget balance is government spending, then are you some sort of millionaire salary earner? What could possibly be your incentive for lowering the tax rates if you, yourself, are not a high earner?

Welfare societies kill the human spirit. They kill the desire to live, to succeed, and to accomplish great things. A welfare society is a society where heroes cannot exist - only slaves who toil for incompetents who believe that they deserve a good life because they are incompetent.

 

So, how well did the Republican/Conservative view of life work for you, did it motivate you enough to become rich and powerful like you said?

#38 Posted by AdamPA1006 (6418 posts) -

[QUOTE="Jacobistheman"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Um, no. One of the main reasons why the Bush tax cuts were passed was because Republicans thought that the budget surplus was too large and that we were paying down the debt too fast. The fiscal policy of the Bush administration was designed to create a budget deficit. -Sun_Tzu-

WUT? The reason we had a deficit under bush was that revenue went down during the recession in 2000-2001, there was more spending because of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and that the government didn't borrow money from social security instead of external sources.

"The growing surplus exists because taxes are too high and government is charging more than it needs. The people of America have been overcharged, and on their behalf, I am here asking for a refund." - Dubya in his first state of the union address (he also proclaimed in the same speech that because of his tax policies millions of people won't have to pay federal income taxes all together, ironically these are the same people that would later be vilified by the same GOP as the "47%" - how easily we forget about these things).  

And the GOP was more or less right back then - having a budget surplus for the sake of having a budget surplus is terrible fiscal policy and demonstrates a fundamental misconception about what a budget surplus (and by extention budget deficits and the national debt) actually represents. 

was the 47% referring to the amount of people paying taxes i remember it being the other percentage of people on some sort of govenment assistance
#39 Posted by -Sun_Tzu- (17384 posts) -

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="Jacobistheman"] WUT? The reason we had a deficit under bush was that revenue went down during the recession in 2000-2001, there was more spending because of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and that the government didn't borrow money from social security instead of external sources. AdamPA1006

"The growing surplus exists because taxes are too high and government is charging more than it needs. The people of America have been overcharged, and on their behalf, I am here asking for a refund." - Dubya in his first state of the union address (he also proclaimed in the same speech that because of his tax policies millions of people won't have to pay federal income taxes all together, ironically these are the same people that would later be vilified by the same GOP as the "47%" - how easily we forget about these things).  

And the GOP was more or less right back then - having a budget surplus for the sake of having a budget surplus is terrible fiscal policy and demonstrates a fundamental misconception about what a budget surplus (and by extention budget deficits and the national debt) actually represents. 

was the 47% referring to the amount of people paying taxes i remember it being the other percentage of people on some sort of govenment assistance

"I mean the president starts off with 48, 49, 4 he starts off with a huge number. These are people who pay no income tax. 47% of Americans pay no income tax." 

#40 Posted by monkeytoes61 (8339 posts) -
Because trickle down economics doesn't work. We should take a page from Clinton's playbook. Dude had a budget surplus while in office.
#41 Posted by MakeMeaSammitch (3804 posts) -

I think this when it comes to the death penalty.

A real conservative should oppose it knowing the financial costs, but most don't.

:(

#42 Posted by monkeytoes61 (8339 posts) -
Do conservatives realize that welfare is an embarrassing thing to be on and certainly doesn't give someone optimal living conditions? People don't want to be on welfare, seeing the state of their lives on welfare is the inspiration to get a real job and earn a living wage...
#43 Posted by Ace6301 (21389 posts) -
Do conservatives realize that welfare is an embarrassing thing to be on and certainly doesn't give someone optimal living conditions? People don't want to be on welfare, seeing the state of their lives on welfare is the inspiration to get a real job and earn a living wage...monkeytoes61
Yeah I never understood this. I was raised in a fairly upper middle class area and I've had the pleasure to mingle with both the upper class and those at the bottom. Their outlook on life and what they desire to achieve are largely the same. Honestly the biggest difference I've noticed in the two groups are background and luck.
#44 Posted by RushKing (1765 posts) -

Why are we even arguing about the deficit? I don't give two f**ks about the deficit anymore. Let the bubble pop all ready. If you are truly against the state, why not let it drown itself while doing something positive for us. Infact more debt sounds good.

#45 Posted by lo_Pine (5048 posts) -

Why are we even arguing about the deficit? I don't give two f**ks about the deficit anymore. Let the bubble pop all ready. If you are truly against the state, why not let it drown itself while doing something positive for us. Infact more debt sounds good.

RushKing
Hopefully you don't participate in system wars.
#46 Posted by dave123321 (33829 posts) -
what is the Hegelian dialectic?
#47 Posted by -Sun_Tzu- (17384 posts) -

what is the Hegelian dialectic? dave123321
It's a means of interpretation. Something is claimed (the thesis), it is juxtaposed with its counterclaim (the antithesis) and the two are then reconciled (the synthesis), and that reconciliation becomes the new thesis and the process starts all over. It's suppose to lead to some sort of higher understanding.

Don't know why it was brought up in this thread though. 

#48 Posted by mingmao3046 (2482 posts) -

Too drunk to understand what's going on with that graph.

The_Lipscomb
there is no way a drunk person could have such accurate spelling/grammar....
#49 Posted by LJS9502_basic (150480 posts) -
I don't think it's a mystery to know the Republicans outspend Democrats lately....
#50 Posted by The_Lipscomb (2187 posts) -
[QUOTE="The_Lipscomb"]

Too drunk to understand what's going on with that graph.

mingmao3046
there is no way a drunk person could have such accurate spelling/grammar....

I do.