Republicans Focus On the Important Things in Colorado

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#1 Posted by Makhaidos (1614 posts) -

http://nation.time.com/2014/01/10/no-food-stamps-for-pot-colorado-republicans-says/

Despite the fact that pot is no more eligible for food stamps than cigarettes, Republicans in Colorado are doing what Republicans do best and making a big issue out of a problem that never existed.

The bill, which will be heard in a committee Jan. 15, also bans using food stamps at adult entertainment establishments “in which performers disrobe.”

Another non-issue, because food stamps can't buy alcohol or restaurant food. But hey, we gotta make sure everybody follows the same morals as us, right?

#2 Edited by dave123321 (34134 posts) -

Are they also going after the horse driven carriages

#3 Edited by jimkabrhel (15420 posts) -

If the liberals stopped going after guns, the GOP wouldn't have to go after strip clubs.

#5 Posted by Riverwolf007 (23865 posts) -

it's a good strategy since it takes the focus off representative wright amassing $74,000 in debt then declaring bankruptcy and being run out of the fruita police dept for dishonest conduct.

Just days before he was given the choice of resigning or being terminated from his job, Jared Wright pleaded with Fruita Police Chief Mark Angelo not to send out a so-called Brady memo to defense attorneys in the Grand Valley, saying it would make him appear to be dishonest, according to a police internal affairs report obtained by The Daily Sentinel.

http://coloradopols.com/diary/18231/the-trouble-with-jared-wright

#6 Posted by Aljosa23 (25121 posts) -

Why the fvck should you allowed to buy marijuana with food stamps? Pretty sure it's not food.

#7 Posted by chessmaster1989 (29383 posts) -

I mean, yeah people shouldn't be using food stamps to buy marijuana.

#8 Edited by Makhaidos (1614 posts) -

@Aljosa23 said:

Why the fvck should you allowed to buy marijuana with food stamps? Pretty sure it's not food.

You're not allowed to, and nobody is advocating for the opposite.

@chessmaster1989 said:

I mean, yeah people shouldn't be using food stamps to buy marijuana.

And nobody is. That's the whole point: they're trying to make illegal something that is and always has been illegal already.

#9 Posted by Serraph105 (28148 posts) -

@chessmaster1989:

Agreed.....

#10 Posted by plageus900 (1081 posts) -

So this guy is being a redundant fuck. Got it.

Now I remember why I'm no longer registered as a republican....

#11 Posted by Wasdie (50001 posts) -

American politics in a nutshell. Act upon something that won't actually change anything to make it look like you're doing something to secure reelection.

#12 Posted by br0kenrabbit (13046 posts) -

@Makhaidos said:

@Aljosa23 said:

Why the fvck should you allowed to buy marijuana with food stamps? Pretty sure it's not food.

You're not allowed to, and nobody is advocating for the opposite.

@chessmaster1989 said:

I mean, yeah people shouldn't be using food stamps to buy marijuana.

And nobody is. That's the whole point: they're trying to make illegal something that is and always has been illegal already.

Some food stamp recipients get cash benefits on their card as well. I think this is what they are talking about.

Don't know the specifics, never been on food stamps. But I've seen people ring up at the self checkout ahead of me and they have two selections on their food stamp card: EBT Food (SNAP) and EBT Cash Benefits (TANF).

#13 Edited by Makhaidos (1614 posts) -

@br0kenrabbit said:

@Makhaidos said:

@Aljosa23 said:

Why the fvck should you allowed to buy marijuana with food stamps? Pretty sure it's not food.

You're not allowed to, and nobody is advocating for the opposite.

@chessmaster1989 said:

I mean, yeah people shouldn't be using food stamps to buy marijuana.

And nobody is. That's the whole point: they're trying to make illegal something that is and always has been illegal already.

Some food stamp recipients get cash benefits on their card as well. I think this is what they are talking about.

Don't know the specifics, never been on food stamps. But I've seen people ring up at the self checkout ahead of me and they have two selections on their food stamp card: EBT Food (SNAP) and EBT Cash Benefits (TANF).

TANF and SNAP are two completely separate programs. TANF is temporary cash assistance; sometimes SNAP will come as part of TANF if the applicant qualifies (you still can't use SNAP on anything but fresh food). Regardless, it's impossible to buy pot with TANF benefits because pot is still illegal under federal law.

#14 Posted by br0kenrabbit (13046 posts) -

@Makhaidos said:

TANF and SNAP are two completely separate programs. TANF is temporary cash assistance; sometimes SNAP will come as part of TANF if the applicant qualifies (you still can't use SNAP on anything but fresh food). Regardless, it's impossible to buy pot with TANF benefits because pot is still illegal under federal law.

Can't you withdraw cash from the ATM in the establishment via TANF?

#15 Posted by Makhaidos (1614 posts) -

@br0kenrabbit said:

@Makhaidos said:

TANF and SNAP are two completely separate programs. TANF is temporary cash assistance; sometimes SNAP will come as part of TANF if the applicant qualifies (you still can't use SNAP on anything but fresh food). Regardless, it's impossible to buy pot with TANF benefits because pot is still illegal under federal law.

Can't you withdraw cash from the ATM in the establishment via TANF?

Depends on the state, but generally you can't get it if the ATM is in places like liquor stores or casinos. If someone gets their cash from an ATM and then goes to spend it on pot, that can't be regulated, so trying to make a law banning it is a waste of time.

#16 Posted by Nibroc420 (13567 posts) -

I dont think welfare should be used to pay for strip clubs or pot.

Then again, i dont think welfare should exist in the first place.

#17 Posted by Makhaidos (1614 posts) -

@Nibroc420 said:

I dont think welfare should be used to pay for strip clubs or pot.

Good thing that it can't be, then.

#18 Posted by airshocker (29876 posts) -

@Makhaidos said:

@br0kenrabbit said:

@Makhaidos said:

@Aljosa23 said:

Why the fvck should you allowed to buy marijuana with food stamps? Pretty sure it's not food.

You're not allowed to, and nobody is advocating for the opposite.

@chessmaster1989 said:

I mean, yeah people shouldn't be using food stamps to buy marijuana.

And nobody is. That's the whole point: they're trying to make illegal something that is and always has been illegal already.

Some food stamp recipients get cash benefits on their card as well. I think this is what they are talking about.

Don't know the specifics, never been on food stamps. But I've seen people ring up at the self checkout ahead of me and they have two selections on their food stamp card: EBT Food (SNAP) and EBT Cash Benefits (TANF).

TANF and SNAP are two completely separate programs. TANF is temporary cash assistance; sometimes SNAP will come as part of TANF if the applicant qualifies (you still can't use SNAP on anything but fresh food). Regardless, it's impossible to buy pot with TANF benefits because pot is still illegal under federal law.

No, SNAP can be used for anything that is sold at a grocery store.

#19 Posted by ad1x2 (5665 posts) -

If they are trying to ban using food stamps to pay for pot it is probably a waste of time. If they have the cash option on their card that can be used at an ATM people will just withdraw cash at their local ATM and buy the pot with the cash. Or, you have people who sell their food stamp benefits for cash but that has been going on since food stamps first came out. Where I grew up in Atlanta people sold the paper stamps (before the cards came out) for cash all of the time and used the money to pay bills, buy gas, or even pay for drugs. Now, people usually buy the food directly and exchange the food for cash.

#20 Posted by 4myAmuzumament (1750 posts) -

what if the strip joint also sells food?

#21 Posted by lamprey263 (24156 posts) -

Republicans faking bad governance to prove what they've been saying all along, that government is incompetent and can't do shit.

#22 Posted by ad1x2 (5665 posts) -

@4myAmuzumament: You may be joking around, but I've seen more than one person who tried to use food stamps to buy prepared foods.

#23 Posted by Master_Live (14811 posts) -

@Nibroc420 said:

Then again, i dont think welfare should exist in the first place.

So what about those people living on extreme poverty or those that can't care for themselves?

#24 Posted by Randolph (10542 posts) -

@airshocker said:

No, SNAP can be used for anything that is sold at a grocery store.

Well, not EVERYTHING. No medicine, no non-food items, no smokes, no alcohol. Yet it can be used for some silly things. I've seen people in my store buying hundreds of dollars of candy, ice cream, cola, and other assorted sugary snacks. None of those things should be able to be purchased with food stamps. Food stamps should be for the bare essentials only. They are not designed to help anyone live in excess. You want soda and sugary snacks? Go get a job. That's my two cents, anyway, as someone who manages a grocery store.

#25 Edited by Makhaidos (1614 posts) -

@Randolph said:

@airshocker said:

No, SNAP can be used for anything that is sold at a grocery store.

Well, not EVERYTHING. No medicine, no non-food items, no smokes, no alcohol. Yet it can be used for some silly things. I've seen people in my store buying hundreds of dollars of candy, ice cream, cola, and other assorted sugary snacks. None of those things should be able to be purchased with food stamps. Food stamps should be for the bare essentials only. They are not designed to help anyone live in excess. You want soda and sugary snacks? Go get a job. That's my two cents, anyway, as someone who manages a grocery store.

Most people on SNAP have a job. This idea that people on welfare are unemployed is a myth--the majority of people receiving any kind of public assistance, aside from unemployment assistance, have AT LEAST one job.

#26 Edited by Randolph (10542 posts) -

@Makhaidos said:

Most people on SNAP have a job. This idea that people on welfare are unemployed is a myth--the majority of people receiving any kind of public assistance, aside from unemployment assistance, have AT LEAST one job.

Then get a second job, or show some actual motivation and move upward in your current one. If I could do it, anyone can. Christ, I don't even have a High School diploma. SNAP should not be used on non-essentials. As a taxpayer, I do not wish to see my tax dollars being used to pay for someone's snack items for the big ball game. I'm ok with paying into a welfare system that helps people not STARVE. But funding sugary drink and snack addictions? I'm not ok with that.

Of course, if we paid a actual living wage as the minimum, that would alleviate a lot of these issues.

#27 Posted by Makhaidos (1614 posts) -

@Randolph said:

@Makhaidos said:

Most people on SNAP have a job. This idea that people on welfare are unemployed is a myth--the majority of people receiving any kind of public assistance, aside from unemployment assistance, have AT LEAST one job.

If I could do it, anyone can.

Of course, if we paid a actual living wage as the minimum, that would alleviate a lot of these issues.

No, if you could do it, then you could do it. No two people have the same situation, and it is no more fair of you to compare yours with someone less well-off than it would be for some multi-millionaire calling you lazy because "if they could do it, anybody could." Most people are poor due to medical bills, emergencies, disability, lack of education, and being raised in broken homes. You know how to work hard? Great, bully for you; there are tons who do not, and there are tons more who've worked harder this week than you have in your entire life and don't even have a home to show for it.

As for your second point, you're absolutely right--but one of the biggest hindrances to our establishing a livable minimum wage is the prevalent delusion that poor people are just lazy.

#28 Posted by THE_DRUGGIE (24964 posts) -

@Randolph said:

@Makhaidos said:

Most people on SNAP have a job. This idea that people on welfare are unemployed is a myth--the majority of people receiving any kind of public assistance, aside from unemployment assistance, have AT LEAST one job.

Then get a second job, or show some actual motivation and move upward in your current one. If I could do it, anyone can. Christ, I don't even have a High School diploma. SNAP should not be used on non-essentials. As a taxpayer, I do not wish to see my tax dollars being used to pay for someone's snack items for the big ball game. I'm ok with paying into a welfare system that helps people not STARVE. But funding sugary drink and snack addictions? I'm not ok with that.

Of course, if we paid a actual living wage as the minimum, that would alleviate a lot of these issues.

I'd say it's more for the morale of the person receiving the assistance than anything. However, most people on SNAP (don't give me the "oh I saw so many hurdadurdadur" argument, you're only one store) spend it on the bare essentials. Also, I bet they'd absolutely LOVE to get a second job but, you know, kids take up time when you can't afford daycare and not everyone is an able-bodied individual. It's sad that not all poor people were born exactly like you.

Dick.

#29 Posted by Randolph (10542 posts) -

@THE_DRUGGIE said:

I'd say it's more for the morale of the person receiving the assistance than anything. However, most people on SNAP (don't give me the "oh I saw so many hurdadurdadur" argument, you're only one store) spend it on the bare essentials. Also, I bet they'd absolutely LOVE to get a second job but, you know, kids take up time when you can't afford daycare and not everyone is an able-bodied individual. It's sad that not all poor people were born exactly like you.

Dick.

If people who can't afford to raise children didn't have children, they'd have more time to get a second job, or work hard enough to get a full time job. Responsible breeding would go a long way to solving a lot of problems in this country, hell, the world in general. I was, until recently, a poor person. I worked my ass off, was responsible, and elevated myself. I could have had a few kids and been stuck in a perpetual cycle of poverty, but actively went a different route. Some people are in that position through no fault of their own, many are not. For the first group, I'm glad to help through my tax dollars.

For the second group, I think we need to exercise some tough love. If we could cut the military budget in half, boost education like crazy, and give everyone a living wage, we could end this perpetual cycle of poverty. At least, that's how I feel. If that makes me a dick, that's fine.

#30 Edited by THE_DRUGGIE (24964 posts) -

@Randolph said:

@THE_DRUGGIE said:

I'd say it's more for the morale of the person receiving the assistance than anything. However, most people on SNAP (don't give me the "oh I saw so many hurdadurdadur" argument, you're only one store) spend it on the bare essentials. Also, I bet they'd absolutely LOVE to get a second job but, you know, kids take up time when you can't afford daycare and not everyone is an able-bodied individual. It's sad that not all poor people were born exactly like you.

Dick.

If people who can't afford to raise children didn't have children, they'd have more time to get a second job, or work hard enough to get a full time job. Responsible breeding would go a long way to solving a lot of problems in this country, hell, the world in general. I was, until recently, a poor person. I worked my ass off, was responsible, and elevated myself. I could have had a few kids and been stuck in a perpetual cycle of poverty, but actively went a different route. Some people are in that position through no fault of their own, many are not. For the first group, I'm glad to help through my tax dollars.

For the second group, I think we need to exercise some tough love. If we could cut the military budget in half, boost education like crazy, and give everyone a living wage, we could end this perpetual cycle of poverty. At least, that's how I feel. If that makes me a dick, that's fine.

Soooo, would "tough love" equate to taking away their kids? Please don't tell me you're alluding to that.

#31 Posted by Randolph (10542 posts) -

@THE_DRUGGIE said:

Soooo, would "tough love" equate to taking away their kids? Please don't tell me you're alluding to that.

Just for making a few stupid decisions that landed them in a bad spot? Absolutely not. Kids need to be with their parents if at all possible, unless the parent is abusive or demented.

#32 Posted by THE_DRUGGIE (24964 posts) -

@Randolph said:

@THE_DRUGGIE said:

Soooo, would "tough love" equate to taking away their kids? Please don't tell me you're alluding to that.

Just for making a few stupid decisions that landed them in a bad spot? Absolutely not. Kids need to be with their parents if at all possible, unless the parent is abusive or demented.

Alright, dodged that bullet.

I take back the dick.

#33 Posted by coolbeans90 (21305 posts) -

i mean, a wee redundant, but as long as it doesn't waste too much time passing it, i can't be asked to give too many fucks