"The decade of war is over"

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

Well, if the president wants to help end decades of war, he can start by closing lots of our military bases and ending the proliferation of drone strikes.

GazaAli

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="Yusuke420"] Yeah isolationism has worked so well in the past:roll:. Also the majority of drones are used for covert information.

Capitan_Kid

The President must be trying to get another Nobel Peace Prize.

CycleOfViolence

The President must be trying to get another Nobel Peace Prize.

CycleOfViolence

Well hey, if he does, at least he'll have done something to earn it, this time.:lol:

[QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"][QUOTE="GazaAli"] Isolationism is working pretty well for so many damn countries. Yusuke420

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

Well, if the president wants to help end decades of war, he can start by closing lots of our military bases and ending the proliferation of drone strikes.

sonicare

It's much more difficult to find someone guilty in a court of their peers, when their peer don't feel like operating a terror cell is doing anything wrong! Why not bash these people for being cowards that operate in villages and mosques, just so they can have martyrs for their jihad?

it needs to be, for once. I'm 18 years old and most of my life was spent in an atmosphere of war. Rich3232

Unless you're actually in the military or someone close to you is, most Americans's "atmosphere of war" has just been watching and reading stories of war on TV and Internet as 99% of Americans carry on with their normal lives. This is hardly an "atmosphere of war" compared to when people were drafted or basic goods and commodities were rationed.

The wars' effect on American way of life is waaaay below the list of reasons why these wars should be ending.

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="Yusuke420"] Yeah isolationism has worked so well in the past:roll:. Also the majority of drones are used for covert information.

Yusuke420

It's much more difficult to find someone guilty in a court of their peers, when their peer don't feel like operating a terror cell is doing anything wrong! Why not bash these people for being cowards that operate in villages and mosques, just so they can have martyrs for their jihad?

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

[QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"] Like who?GazaAli

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

Well, if the president wants to help end decades of war, he can start by closing lots of our military bases and ending the proliferation of drone strikes.

Yusuke420

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

Yusuke420

Japan has no military: So?

China is consistantly fighting about regional islands: Minor crap compared to the U.S middling in other countries' affairs, not to mention it actually does concern them.

Russia just built several new nuclear subs: So?

France is just now leading an offensive in Mali: It is backed by most Africans. But still, we should wait and see where its going before judging, including me.

On the other hand, how many wars did the U.S fight in past 15 years or so? How many military bases it has scattered around the globe? How much is the U.S involved covertly in other countries' affairs?

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

[QUOTE="GazaAli"] Like Japan, China, Russia, Europe, etc etc.GazaAli

Japan has no military: So?

China is consistantly fighting about regional islands: Minor crap compared to the U.S middling in other countries' affairs, not to mention it actually does concern them.

Russia just built several new nuclear subs: So?

France is just now leading an offensive in Mali: It is backed by most Africans. But still, we should wait and see where its going before judging, including me.

On the other hand, how many wars did the U.S fight in past 15 years or so? How many military bases it has scattered around the globe? How much is the U.S involved covertly in other countries' affairs?

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]Now I know you're full of crap, Japan has no military, China is consistantly fighting about regional islands, Russia just built several new nuclear subs, and France is just now leading an offensive in Mali. No one you listed actually pratices isolationism...

Yusuke420

Japan has no military: So?

China is consistantly fighting about regional islands: Minor crap compared to the U.S middling in other countries' affairs, not to mention it actually does concern them.

Russia just built several new nuclear subs: So?

France is just now leading an offensive in Mali: It is backed by most Africans. But still, we should wait and see where its going before judging, including me.

On the other hand, how many wars did the U.S fight in past 15 years or so? How many military bases it has scattered around the globe? How much is the U.S involved covertly in other countries' affairs?

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

[QUOTE="GazaAli"] Like Japan, China, Russia, Europe, etc etc.GazaAli

Japan has no military: So?

China is consistantly fighting about regional islands: Minor crap compared to the U.S middling in other countries' affairs, not to mention it actually does concern them.

Russia just built several new nuclear subs: So?

France is just now leading an offensive in Mali: It is backed by most Africans. But still, we should wait and see where its going before judging, including me.

On the other hand, how many wars did the U.S fight in past 15 years or so? How many military bases it has scattered around the globe? How much is the U.S involved covertly in other countries' affairs?

[QUOTE="jim_shorts"]

I'm really sick of being involved in foreign conflicts, especially since we haven't been doing much good around the world.

Capitan_Kid

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]Now I know you're full of crap, Japan has no military, China is consistantly fighting about regional islands, Russia just built several new nuclear subs, and France is just now leading an offensive in Mali. No one you listed actually pratices isolationism...

the_ChEeSe_mAn2

Japan has no military: So?

China is consistantly fighting about regional islands: Minor crap compared to the U.S middling in other countries' affairs, not to mention it actually does concern them.

Russia just built several new nuclear subs: So?

France is just now leading an offensive in Mali: It is backed by most Africans. But still, we should wait and see where its going before judging, including me.

On the other hand, how many wars did the U.S fight in past 15 years or so? How many military bases it has scattered around the globe? How much is the U.S involved covertly in other countries' affairs?

[QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"][QUOTE="jim_shorts"]

I'm really sick of being involved in foreign conflicts, especially since we haven't been doing much good around the world.

gamerguru100

[QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"][QUOTE="gamerguru100"] LOL yeah because bombing the crap out of brown people means that we're helping them. the_ChEeSe_mAn2

[QUOTE="the_ChEeSe_mAn2"][QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"] Correction. We were bombing the crap out of evil brown people. Terrorists. Are we supposed to let them fvck up the Middle East? I think not!Capitan_Kid

[QUOTE="the_ChEeSe_mAn2"]Sounds like the mouth-piece of neo-conservationism.. Capitan_Kid

The problem with your analogy is that the US (as in the government) is cool with some other crooks robbing other women as long it benefits themselves OR they subdue the big crook and let all the small crooks get a chance to rob the woman.

[QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="GazaAli"] What about Libya?GazaAli

Hard to fix something so fvcked up from the start and that wants to stay that way.

Sometimes I wonder if OT posters' news sources are in fact OT threads.

I have never really lived during a time of peace. im 13, never not been a war since i was born.Kevlar101

How about keeping Israel on a leash so they don't blow the Gaza strip back into the stone age?

Yusuke420

As someone who more often than many sympathizes with U.S. efforts abroad, I can't really say that is the case. It almost seems like we enable them without really any reservations.

[QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"]

[QUOTE="the_ChEeSe_mAn2"]Sounds like the mouth-piece of neo-conservationism.. one_plum

The problem with your analogy is that the US (as in the government) is cool with some other crooks robbing other women as long it benefits themselves OR they subdue the big crook and let all the small crooks get a chance to rob the woman.

[QUOTE="one_plum"]

[QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"]

So I wikipedia'd that. Yes I feel like the US should meddle in international affairs. Is that a problem? If you saw a woman getting robbed would you just stand there and let it happen? Also just saying I feel like the US should fix more of it's own problems before tackling other countries' problems.

Capitan_Kid

The problem with your analogy is that the US (as in the government) is cool with some other crooks robbing other women as long it benefits themselves OR they subdue the big crook and let all the small crooks get a chance to rob the woman.

There is a self-serving purpose in those wars; it's not as simple as being ''righteous''.

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

[QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"] Like who?GazaAli

Yeah, just like the early 2000s were supposed to be peaceful and the BAM 9/11 dragging us into this 12 year conflict in Afghanistan.

Our military may be finally pulling out of Afghanistan, but with the US's economic and political ties with pretty much every nation on the planet, it's only a matter of time before we get roped into another mess.

Though we've learned quite a bit how to deal with insurgencies and guerrillas. Our military resembles very little of what it did in 2001. We also have learned how to not get ourselves wrapped up into something like we did with Iraq. Invading Afghanistan was inevitable after 9/11, but the military learned quite a bit about invading countries like Iraq, even if the intentions were good. I doubt we'll be making the same mistakes twice.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="Yusuke420"]michaelP4

The world won't be at peace until the US deals with its military industrial complex.

There are "threats" in the world because they NEED those threats to exist.

Without that, they have no business and no reason to exist.

What war? You mean the evil stormtroopers American's, taking control of land that is not theres?

The war isn't over by any means if anything its simply changing. We will be seeing plenty of drone strikes and special forces. We're trading in the hammer for thescalpel. Instead of rolling into countries with tanks, we're flying in with unmanned drones and stealth helicopters.

We also have learned how to not get ourselves wrapped up into something like we did with Iraq. Invading Afghanistan was inevitable after 9/11, but the military learned quite a bit about invading countries like Iraq, even if the intentions were good. I doubt we'll be making the same mistakes twice.

Wasdie

[QUOTE="one_plum"]

[QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"] So I wikipedia'd that. Yes I feel like the US should meddle in international affairs. Is that a problem? If you saw a woman getting robbed would you just stand there and let it happen? Also just saying I feel like the US should fix more of it's own problems before tackling other countries' problems.

Capitan_Kid

The problem with your analogy is that the US (as in the government) is cool with some other crooks robbing other women as long it benefits themselves OR they subdue the big crook and let all the small crooks get a chance to rob the woman.

What we're talking about here is the US smacking down one "bully", while supporting even worse ones. One example: we "liberated" Afghanistan from Islamic fundamentalists, but the Islamic fundamentalists in power in Saudi Arabia have our blessing.

No major power in the world is strictly isolationist sure but the U.S scores number 1 no contest.GazaAli

And? We are a global superpower. We are the center of globalized trade. We are the center of globalized banking. We are the center of globalized industry. We influence global policy. Likewise being this central to world affairs means WORLD AFFAIRS INFLUENCE US. If the Middle East becomes unstable WE BECOME UNSTABLE, and the world becomes unstable. Thus to protect our interest and global interests the US has filled the role of global police. You may not like what our government does, but we hardly do it just to f-cking do it, everything we do serves a purpose. More often than not it is to help the world. It may look as though it is only beneficial to ourselves, but given our central role, bad things for us are bad things for the entire planet. So when we "help ourselves" so to speak, we help the entire global community.

If anything we should do more now than ever. The internet, smart technology, etc... There is a level of transparency in government unlike never before, making it very difficult to do "sinister" things.

how was it even a "war" when the muslim world has no military at the present time, its more like a decade of massacre, oppresion and terrorism, yes TERRORISM!

how was it even a "war" when the muslim world has no military at the present time, its more like a decade of massacre, oppresion and terrorism, yes TERRORISM!

GrayF0X786

I laughed so hard at this I pee'd a little. BRB

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

how was it even a "war" when the muslim world has no military at the present time, its more like a decade of massacre, oppresion and terrorism, yes TERRORISM!

Squeets

I laughed so hard at this I pee'd a little. BRB

how was it even a "war" when the muslim world has no military at the present time, its more like a decade of massacre, oppresion and terrorism, yes TERRORISM!

GrayF0X786

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

how was it even a "war" when the muslim world has no military at the present time, its more like a decade of massacre, oppresion and terrorism, yes TERRORISM!

Capitan_Kid

[QUOTE="Squeets"]

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

how was it even a "war" when the muslim world has no military at the present time, its more like a decade of massacre, oppresion and terrorism, yes TERRORISM!

GrayF0X786

I laughed so hard at this I pee'd a little. BRB

And I guess the actual terrorists who killed 3000 American civilians and tens of thousands of Afghan civilians over the last decade are in fact saints who deserved to be canonized in your deluded view.

Get a grip on reality bud, your crazy is leaking.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

We also have learned how to not get ourselves wrapped up into something like we did with Iraq. Invading Afghanistan was inevitable after 9/11, but the military learned quite a bit about invading countries like Iraq, even if the intentions were good. I doubt we'll be making the same mistakes twice.

dramaybaz

Well a lot of what we learned is how to deal with different cultures, specifically what not to do. We've also completely reoutfitted our entire army with tools that are much more useful in dealing with an insurgency.

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

how was it even a "war" when the muslim world has no military at the present time, its more like a decade of massacre, oppresion and terrorism, yes TERRORISM!

Capitan_Kid

Indeed. Overthrowing democratically elected leaders and installing puppet regimes definately is not oppression.

the muslim world has no military at the present time

GrayF0X786

lol