Quantum Physics Proves That There is An Afterlife

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#1 Posted by -Renegade (8340 posts) -

Most scientists would probably say that the concept of an afterlife is either nonsense, or at the very least unprovable.

Yet one expert claims he has evidence to confirm an existence beyond the grave - and it lies in quantum physics.

Professor Robert Lanza claims the theory of biocentrism teaches that death as we know it is an illusion created by our consciousness.

  • Robert Lanza claims the theory of biocentrism says death is an illusion
  • He said life creates the universe, and not the other way round
  • This means space and time don't exist in the linear fashion we think it does
  • He uses the famous double-split experiment to illustrate his point
  • And if space and time aren't linear, then death can't exist in 'any real sense' either

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#2 Posted by GhoX (5009 posts) -

Looks like bullshit.

Double-split experiment was wrongly cited. It had nothing to do with perception; it was more about the probabilistic nature of matters.

#3 Posted by br0kenrabbit (12988 posts) -

@-Renegade said:

Robert Lanza claims the theory of biocentrism...

Robert Lanza is the originator of biocentrism, so he's basically just self-promoting.

#4 Posted by MakeMeaSammitch (3900 posts) -

I'm honestly amazed at how big some people's gaps in science knowledge are. and even more amazed at how people misuse scientific terms because they sound cool.

#5 Posted by ultimate-k (2348 posts) -

This is true, people who are saying BS just don't understand it, they too used to kindergarden science. You create your own reality, there's infinite amount of universes, you are living now in the past and in the future at the same time, maybe even parrell universes. Everything is one, when you die you shift your perception of consciousness to another perception maybe even a parrel universe of yourself. Your a body is a vessel, your soul controls this vessel from another dimension, the universe is full of electric signals that your brain decodes that is the matrix. You should be a unique and beautiful expression of consciousness full of love and empathy for the life forms around you, and to be able to create. Fear took over and spread like a virus feeding of its own hatred and fear, it wants people to be selfish and walk all over people, be like zombies full of fear and hatred, so it can feed. Female dominance= love and empathy. Male dominance = fear and hatred. Quantum physics is real science!

#6 Posted by Makhaidos (1614 posts) -

People have been using "science" to "prove" the existence of the afterlife for centuries.

#7 Posted by 4myAmuzumament (1750 posts) -

If I can't post in OT in the afterlife then what's the point of eternal living?

#8 Posted by -Renegade (8340 posts) -

@4myAmuzumament said:

If I can't post in OT in the afterlife then what's the point of eternal living?

to be "born" again.

#9 Posted by lamprey263 (23956 posts) -

sounds like that New Age bullshit that tries use pseudo-science to legitimize itself

#10 Posted by Master_Live (14648 posts) -

@ultimate-k said:

This is true, people who are saying BS just don't understand it, they too used to kindergarden science. You create your own reality, there's infinite amount of universes, you are living now in the past and in the future at the same time, maybe even parrell universes. Everything is one, when you die you shift your perception of consciousness to another perception maybe even a parrel universe of yourself. Your a body is a vessel, your soul controls this vessel from another dimension, the universe is full of electric signals that your brain decodes that is the matrix. You should be a unique and beautiful expression of consciousness full of love and empathy for the life forms around you, and to be able to create. Fear took over and spread like a virus feeding of its own hatred and fear, it wants people to be selfish and walk all over people, be like zombies full of fear and hatred, so it can feed. Female dominance= love and empathy. Male dominance = fear and hatred. Quantum physics is real science!

Tell us more about the lizard.

#11 Posted by br0kenrabbit (12988 posts) -

@ultimate-k said:

Quantum physics is real science!

Which you obviously have no understanding of. Tell me, what is this:

#12 Edited by ultimate-k (2348 posts) -

@Master_Live: Well there are demon souls people that look lizard like, that control the bodies/vessels of the queen, obama ect from another dimension or frequency. Bit like the movie they live.

#13 Posted by RimacBugatti (1287 posts) -

This is very interesting to me. It's like our visions our from our past perhaps otherwise how would our brain draw them. It's like I was telling my friend that I never think of things I just see them. They pop into my head as if I had seen it before. I was horrible in school because it required me to think about something instead of just being able to see things. When we think we intercept our brains natural functions. That's why when we think of trying to remember we can't remember until we stop thinking about what it was we were trying to remember. There is no such thing as time but we interlaced our existence based on the functions of the planet. The universe is round but seemingly infinite which is the only thing that keeps us from being more self destructive than we already are. Everything is round as we can tell. Albert Einstein had the ability to see things through mind travel. We often use our bodies to move our minds but what if we were to start using our minds to move our bodies. We can be busy and doing nothing or we can be doing something and not be busy.We can achieve our goals without really having to do it. The physical and spiritual realm shouldn't be compared. The body doesn't affect the mind but the mind affects the body. The physical realm doesn't affect the spiritual realm.

#14 Posted by deeliman (2432 posts) -

I'll wait for his peer reviewed paper before I believe this.

#15 Posted by MysteryJ0ker (93 posts) -

Yeah... I see this merely as a thesis until peer review shows this as a credible theory.

#16 Posted by johnd13 (8145 posts) -

It's just his theory. Without general approval from the scientific community, it means nothing. Same as with other countless theories out there.

#17 Posted by LJS9502_basic (151077 posts) -

@4myAmuzumament said:

If I can't post in OT in the afterlife

Wouldn't that be hell?

#18 Posted by k2theswiss (16599 posts) -

when something stops moving = dead in this world

#19 Posted by Makhaidos (1614 posts) -

@br0kenrabbit said:

@ultimate-k said:

Quantum physics is real science!

Which you obviously have no understanding of. Tell me, what is this:

Zero. Duh. It's right there in the equation.

#20 Posted by lostrib (37020 posts) -

@johnd13 said:

It's just his theory. Without general approval from the scientific community, it means nothing. Same as with other countless theories out there.

and it's a theory, using the common usage of the term, not a scientific theory

#21 Posted by ultimate-k (2348 posts) -

@Makhaidos said:

@br0kenrabbit said:

@ultimate-k said:

Quantum physics is real science!

Which you obviously have no understanding of. Tell me, what is this:

Zero. Duh. It's right there in the equation.

Na thats a warp core!

#22 Posted by redstorm72 (4570 posts) -

Sounds like bull shit. He sure is making a lot massive claims (multiverse, non-linear time, life defining the universe, death being an illusion).

What exactly is the illusion about death? When you get old, your body decays and your body stops functioning. You can claim time isn't linear till the cows come home, but people still get old (even if it is in a non linear fashion) and still die.

Even if it was true, it would make no difference to the average person. Even if death is an "illusion" and I will be reincarnated or I will live forever, I won't be able to remember it (evident by the fact that I can't remember any of my previous lives now), so its basically the same as being dead anyway. Also, who cares if time is linear or not? We perceive it as linear and there is no way to change that.

#23 Edited by ultimate-k (2348 posts) -

Your true self should be like this.

Notice, the black mark on the forehead symbolizing the 3rd eye. But lets just say something wants us to stay primitive and not want us to achieve this.

#24 Posted by playmynutz (5983 posts) -

So when a person dies the illusion is they are nonexistence but the reality is the world continued without them ok

#25 Posted by foxhound_fox (88384 posts) -

-Renegade thread.

Disregarding in 3...2...

#26 Posted by foxhound_fox (88384 posts) -

@ultimate-k said:

Your true self should be like this.

Notice, the black mark on the forehead symbolizing the 3rd eye. But lets just say something wants us to stay primitive and not want us to achieve this.

The traditional "third eye" is located between the eyebrows, not on the forehead... and Dr. Manhattan, the fictional character, adopted a pictographic symbol of the hydrogen atom as his insignia. It has nothing to do with what you are talking about.

Unless you aren't srs.

#27 Posted by comp_atkins (31432 posts) -

that's great.. now get me something useful out of it and we'll be onto something..

#28 Posted by 4myAmuzumament (1750 posts) -

@LJS9502_basic said:

@4myAmuzumament said:

If I can't post in OT in the afterlife

Wouldn't that be hell?

Imagine seeing all this crazy afterlife stuff going on around you and not being being able to make a topic about it. Yup. Hell. for me at least.

#29 Posted by ultimate-k (2348 posts) -

@foxhound_fox said:

@ultimate-k said:

Your true self should be like this.

Notice, the black mark on the forehead symbolizing the 3rd eye. But lets just say something wants us to stay primitive and not want us to achieve this.

The traditional "third eye" is located between the eyebrows, not on the forehead... and Dr. Manhattan, the fictional character, adopted a pictographic symbol of the hydrogen atom as his insignia. It has nothing to do with what you are talking about.

Unless you aren't srs.

Truth is hidden in fiction my friend, Dr. Manhattan is based on this concept of Quantum physics, there are tons of occult symbols in the watch men, such as an Illuminati type of figure bringing anew world order though a fake alien invasion. Well that is in the graphic novel version of the watchmen. Alot of fiction you would find is based on real ideas, these people who create these fictions are very intelligent people. Most people just watch/play/read fiction without even realizing the meanings behind it.

Well I only just came across this article, I post it here to show you what I mean.

http://thefishshow.com/Archive/WM%20UM.htm

#30 Edited by BluRayHiDef (10839 posts) -

@GhoX said:

Looks like bullshit.

Agreed.

#31 Edited by Nibroc420 (13567 posts) -

@ultimate-k said:

Truth is hidden in fiction my friend,

No.

You're a troll, or you've done too much acid.

#32 Posted by GazaAli (22858 posts) -

There's so much irony and absurdity in religious people's pursuit to prove issues pertaining to faith using science as a way to persuade nonbelievers and spread their faith, given how faith itself requires of those who profess it to do so at first on a purely spiritual level or a one of faith and belief.

#33 Posted by BluRayHiDef (10839 posts) -

@GazaAli said:

There's so much irony and absurdity in religious people's pursuit to prove issues pertaining to faith using science as a way to persuade nonbelievers and spread their faith, given how faith itself requires of those who profess it to do so at first on a purely spiritual level or a one of faith and belief.

You're not religious? I always assumed that you were Muslim.

#34 Posted by Nibroc420 (13567 posts) -

@BluRayHiDef said:

@GazaAli said:

There's so much irony and absurdity in religious people's pursuit to prove issues pertaining to faith using science as a way to persuade nonbelievers and spread their faith, given how faith itself requires of those who profess it to do so at first on a purely spiritual level or a one of faith and belief.

You're not religious? I always assumed that you were Muslim.

"There's a little truth in fiction"

#35 Posted by deeliman (2432 posts) -

@BluRayHiDef said:

@GazaAli said:

There's so much irony and absurdity in religious people's pursuit to prove issues pertaining to faith using science as a way to persuade nonbelievers and spread their faith, given how faith itself requires of those who profess it to do so at first on a purely spiritual level or a one of faith and belief.

You're not religious? I always assumed that you were Muslim.

He is.

#36 Posted by BluRayHiDef (10839 posts) -

@deeliman said:

@BluRayHiDef said:

@GazaAli said:

There's so much irony and absurdity in religious people's pursuit to prove issues pertaining to faith using science as a way to persuade nonbelievers and spread their faith, given how faith itself requires of those who profess it to do so at first on a purely spiritual level or a one of faith and belief.

You're not religious? I always assumed that you were Muslim.

He is.

I asked because what he said seems anti-religious. I think that a religious person would love to use science as a means to prove their beliefs as true, but he begs to differ, I guess.

#37 Posted by Nibroc420 (13567 posts) -

@BluRayHiDef said:

I think that a religious person would love to use science as a means to prove their beliefs as true.

I got a good laugh out of this.

#38 Posted by wis3boi (31382 posts) -

smells like BS

#39 Edited by slipknot0129 (5491 posts) -

Death is the most stupid concept ever. The only definition of death is the one you create in your mind.

#40 Edited by jer_1 (7451 posts) -

Pretty awesome theory! I can only hope that more conclusive data be found to prove this a sound theory. It makes a decent amount of sense to me and frankly I would love to find this "reality" nothing more than our ever-lasting consciousnesses means of expressing the act of living.

Interesting to say the least! Thanks for the link OP, I enjoyed it a lot. We are our own gods!

#41 Posted by ultimate-k (2348 posts) -

@Nibroc420: Look which troll is talking.

#42 Posted by -Renegade (8340 posts) -

@GhoX: people thought Galileo was crazy to...

#43 Posted by Nibroc420 (13567 posts) -

@ultimate-k said:

@Nibroc420: Look which troll is talking.

Who's talking?

People on forums usually just type and read.

#44 Posted by GazaAli (22858 posts) -

@BluRayHiDef said:

@GazaAli said:

There's so much irony and absurdity in religious people's pursuit to prove issues pertaining to faith using science as a way to persuade nonbelievers and spread their faith, given how faith itself requires of those who profess it to do so at first on a purely spiritual level or a one of faith and belief.

You're not religious? I always assumed that you were Muslim.

I consider myself fairly religious yes. With that said, my post isn't really anti-religious or something, its just a call for rationality and consistency. If as a religious person your faith dictates that you adhere to it first and foremost on the level of belief and faith then you of all people should be conscious and fully cognizant of that fact. By trying to persuade people to adhere and profess to your religion using scientific arguments, then you undermine and compromise the very foundation of that religion you're preaching. The entire thing becomes neither rational nor religious but of pure psychological nature.

But most importantly, I feel that religious people's attempt to try and closely relate science with their religious beliefs to be of apologist and self-patronizing nature. I believe it is a result of the intense secularization the world did and still undergoes and the antagonism and alienation of religion that follow along. People are becoming less and less religious. Religion's marginalization is being consolidated day after day. Science and rationality on the one hand and religion on the other are more and more looked at as adversaries. And given the current scientific advancement of the world and what it has achieved for humanity, science will naturally appear as the shining beacon of enlightenment and prosperity, and anything that might undermine it or oppose it must be disposed of aggressively, specially if at some point of its history it brought misery and despair to the people.

I take no sides on the image I just described nor do I ascertain its authenticity and truthfulness. I'm just describing the scene as it seems to me. And I have the utmost respect and fascination for science and men of science. In that scene however, religious people feel hard-pressed to try and save face by establishing a reality in which their religious beliefs and the idolized and glamorous science attract rather than repel. There are two things that are colossally wrong in such a status quo. First as I mentioned earlier it undermines the faith that these religious people are trying desperately to save and maintain. Second is the self-alienation of religious people through which a religious person becomes divided against himself. He starts to perceive his religious beliefs to be alien to him and he becomes under the impression that he must make a choice. This self-alienation is what elicits the apologist tendencies of religious people. They try and strike a balance between their antagonized religious beliefs and the established supremacy of science by trying to justify themselves one way or another to the nonreligious. This I apprehend applies more or less to the moderate and enlightened religious for the fact that extremists bask in their intellectual inferiority and astronomical stupidity. Regardless, the simple fact is that religious people owe no one an explanation, as long as their beliefs hurt no one. They have the full liberty to adhere and profess to their creeds and they must never come under the impression that such adherence can be used against them or makes them lesser human beings. It is not a choice between science and faith and faith does not automatically disqualify you from rationality.

#45 Posted by Riverwolf007 (23763 posts) -

lol, he better hope he is wrong because i can't imagine a bigger sin than trying to prove god exists.

#46 Edited by chaoscougar1 (36805 posts) -

@-Renegade said:

@GhoX: people thought Galileo was crazy to...

Every scientist with a hypothesis =/= Galileo

#47 Edited by XVision84 (13639 posts) -

The title is completely incorrect, this is a theory not evidence or proof. He makes way too many assumptions for it to be any sort of proof. He's just taking assumptions that we've made (or scenarios) and making more assumptions based off of them. While I believe in the existence of a multiverse, I think that saying consciousness shifts over is a bit of a stretch. Anything is possible though, we know so much about the world and yet we know very very very little.

#48 Edited by __Kaine__ (1305 posts) -

I think there are things that science cannot prove.. or it could but it's still limitd to our perception and knowledge.. we cannot expect to know everything just because we make use of science..

As for my opinion.. I like to consider this a possibility.. aside from my ''religious beliefs'' which are very personal and are not related to any existing creeds..

#49 Edited by jcknapier711 (380 posts) -

I got this from some sci-fi book I read. Remember the time before you were born? Billions, trillions of years existed before then but you did not. Do any of you regret not existing in that time? Then why should you fear the time after your death?

#50 Edited by -Renegade (8340 posts) -

@jcknapier711: because not existing one day would make living life pointless