Punk. Dead or Alive?

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#1 Posted by mattykovax (22693 posts) -
What is punk to you. Growing up for me it was being the round not fitting in the triangle. Disenfranchised. Not agreeing with the status quo or how it treated us.making our own culture. The bands that played our soundtrack: the dead kennedys, black flag, the dwarves, dri, misfits, early ST, bad religion, cbgb, bad brains, all descended from the ramones featuring the sex pistols and the great rock and roll swindle. Than NOFX had to pass from punk to pop-punk. But the scene was already dead, the racists and metal hardcore crowd destroyed a community and disenfranchised the disenfranchised, amd the music devolved into pop-punk and hardcore metal stormfront shit. The only standard bearers left either changed, were jello and the melvins, or kurt pining for a past that never was. That is my formative years. No judgment or condemnation, but what is punk too you. Inb4 slang for a puusy or innefective male.
#2 Posted by ionusX (25716 posts) -

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rumors of his death that you heard at a fortune teller have been greatly exaggerated. this photo was taken yesterday

#3 Posted by worlock77 (22547 posts) -

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#4 Posted by mattykovax (22693 posts) -
LOL....
#5 Posted by Baranga (14217 posts) -

Everything except the generic punk aesthetic is dead. That was hijacked by various sub-cultures.

#6 Posted by worlock77 (22547 posts) -

Oddly, although I dig the hell out of punk music, I can't say that I've ever really gotten into particular bands that much.

#7 Posted by mattykovax (22693 posts) -

Oddly, although I dig the hell out of punk music, I can't say that I've ever really gotten into particular bands that much.

worlock77
Not an issue. I grew up between punk and goth. But more just other forums and the jimmy eat world thread here I am just looking for what people identify it as. Not a my experience is superior to yours thread. Just asking experiences from those that feel they have one.
#8 Posted by worlock77 (22547 posts) -

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Oddly, although I dig the hell out of punk music, I can't say that I've ever really gotten into particular bands that much.

mattykovax

Not an issue. I grew up between punk and goth. But more just other forums and the jimmy eat world thread here I am just looking for what people identify it as. Not a my experience is superior to yours thread. Just asking experiences from those that feel they have one.

Yeah, as a kid I was always more of a metalhead, so I didn't really grow up with it. I only really because aware of punk in my adults years. It's like I can listen to various things, compilations, radio stations, etc and get my fill of it for awhile. Probably the closest I've come to getting into an individual band is Neurosis, who were barely punk on their second album and not at all after that (and I'm not hugly into their early stuff anyway).

#9 Posted by LostProphetFLCL (17752 posts) -

Punk is far from dead. There are still great bands like Sick of It All and The Casualties around.

There is actually a good sized punk scene here in Michigan too. Quite a few local punk bands.

#10 Posted by mattykovax (22693 posts) -

Punk is far from dead. There are still great bands like Sick of It All and The Casualties around.

There is actually a good sized punk scene here in Michigan too. Quite a few local punk bands.

LostProphetFLCL
Thats cool....never cared for sick of it all though.
#11 Posted by LJS9502_basic (152404 posts) -
Real punk is dead. It has developed into sub genres though....
#12 Posted by Pirate700 (46465 posts) -

Old school punk is mostly dead. Pop punk garbage like Green Day is still around though.

#13 Posted by Murderstyle75 (4412 posts) -

Punk is far from dead. There are still great bands like Sick of It All and The Casualties around.

There is actually a good sized punk scene here in Michigan too. Quite a few local punk bands.

LostProphetFLCL
Not so sure I can consider Sick of it All as Punk just based of their record label. Punk is supposed to be anti-establishment yet Century Media has sued thousands of music fans.
#14 Posted by LJS9502_basic (152404 posts) -

Old school punk is mostly dead. Pop punk garbage like Green Day is still around though.

Pirate700
Strangely enough I have the radio on.....which is rare....and they are playing Green Day.
#15 Posted by Pirate700 (46465 posts) -

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

Old school punk is mostly dead. Pop punk garbage like Green Day is still around though.

LJS9502_basic

Strangely enough I have the radio on.....which is rare....and they are playing Green Day.

My condolences. :P

#16 Posted by pspdseagle (3307 posts) -

Old school punk is mostly dead. Pop punk garbage like Green Day is still around though.

Pirate700

What's wrong with green day? They have made brilliant songs like American idiot.

#17 Posted by sukraj (23975 posts) -

Teddy boys

#18 Posted by Pirate700 (46465 posts) -

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

Old school punk is mostly dead. Pop punk garbage like Green Day is still around though.

pspdseagle

What's wrong with green day? They have made brilliant songs like American idiot.

lol

#19 Posted by dominer (3316 posts) -

Fvcked Up (replace the "v" with a "u", obviously) released some good material in 2011.

#20 Posted by DraugenCP (8479 posts) -

Very much dead.

#21 Posted by mattykovax (22693 posts) -
Keep it comong guys, no reply unasked for.
#22 Posted by WolfattheDoor34 (3278 posts) -
punk, dead? have you ever heard of a little band called Lincoln Park??
#23 Posted by LJS9502_basic (152404 posts) -
punk, dead? have you ever heard of a little band called Lincoln Park??WolfattheDoor34
That ...is...not....punk.:|
#24 Posted by LessThanMike (5290 posts) -
Actual "punk" died years ago, not they've just wrapped up everything a nice label that just says alternative....was always more of a ska fan myself but I still listen to the dead Kennedy's every now and then
#25 Posted by BossPerson (9124 posts) -
It died with Joey Ramone
#26 Posted by mattykovax (22693 posts) -
Actual "punk" died years ago, not they've just wrapped up everything a nice label that just says alternative....was always more of a ska fan myself but I still listen to the dead Kennedy's every now and thenLessThanMike
I have a friend that radio djs ska
punk, dead? have you ever heard of a little band called Lincoln Park??WolfattheDoor34
what does boy band metal have to do with punk music or culture?
#27 Posted by WolfattheDoor34 (3278 posts) -

[QUOTE="WolfattheDoor34"]punk, dead? have you ever heard of a little band called Lincoln Park??LJS9502_basic
That ...is...not....punk.:|

maybe YOU are the one that isn't punk :roll:

#28 Posted by worlock77 (22547 posts) -

punk, dead? have you ever heard of a little band called Lincoln Park??WolfattheDoor34

lol?

#29 Posted by WolfattheDoor34 (3278 posts) -
there's also Daft Punk
#30 Posted by BossPerson (9124 posts) -

there's also Daft PunkWolfattheDoor34
now you're joking

#31 Posted by mattykovax (22693 posts) -
there's also Daft PunkWolfattheDoor34
Yeah....i think id have more respect for a less than jake fan...
#32 Posted by poptart (6877 posts) -

 

When I was a kid, punk was just the sex pistols doing everything society riled against and sang some jolly rude words. Then I heard the likes of black flag, 7 seconds, the stupids, etc and heard it was very much still going, albeit with a different asthetic.

 

Difficult to pin down what punk is - in the UK the Pistols were defined more by imagery and shock, whereas their north london counterparts (e.g the clash) were politicised. Disenfranchised youth led to an association to the emergence of UK dub at the time. Traditional hardore, oi or older school punk generes are just out of the limelight at present, no doubt to return in a new outfit sometime in the future. The likes of the prodigy could be considered as punk at points during there history; grunge had a distinct DIY sound which could be considered a punk motif. I guess without trying to sound like some kind of anus, the 'spirit of punk' is alive depending on where you look for it

 

*ramble over*

#33 Posted by poptart (6877 posts) -

[QUOTE="LessThanMike"]Actual "punk" died years ago, not they've just wrapped up everything a nice label that just says alternative....was always more of a ska fan myself but I still listen to the dead Kennedy's every now and thenmattykovax
I have a friend that radio djs ska
punk, dead? have you ever heard of a little band called Lincoln Park??WolfattheDoor34
what does boy band metal have to do with punk music or culture?

Ska and punk are quite familiar friends I guess

#34 Posted by poptart (6877 posts) -

Actually you've got me digging through some old tunes now, therefore in honour of this thread:

 

www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCr8V5wAroA

 

(I've no idea how to embed stuff, so it's the slits covering heard it through the grapevine) :)

#35 Posted by mattykovax (22693 posts) -

 

When I was a kid, punk was just the sex pistols doing everything society riled against and sang some jolly rude words. Then I heard the likes of black flag, 7 seconds, the stupids, etc and heard it was very much still going, albeit with a different asthetic.

 

Difficult to pin down what punk is - in the UK the Pistols were defined more by imagery and shock, whereas their north london counterparts (e.g the clash) were politicised. Disenfranchised youth led to an association to the emergence of UK dub at the time. Traditional hardore, oi or older school punk generes are just out of the limelight at present, no doubt to return in a new outfit sometime in the future. The likes of the prodigy could be considered as punk at points during there history; grunge had a distinct DIY sound which could be considered a punk motif. I guess without trying to sound like some kind of anus, the 'spirit of punk' is alive depending on where you look for it

 

*ramble over*

poptart
This is actually the type of discussion I was trying to foster...+1
#36 Posted by poptart (6877 posts) -

[QUOTE="poptart"]

 

When I was a kid, punk was just the sex pistols doing everything society riled against and sang some jolly rude words. Then I heard the likes of black flag, 7 seconds, the stupids, etc and heard it was very much still going, albeit with a different asthetic.

 

Difficult to pin down what punk is - in the UK the Pistols were defined more by imagery and shock, whereas their north london counterparts (e.g the clash) were politicised. Disenfranchised youth led to an association to the emergence of UK dub at the time. Traditional hardore, oi or older school punk generes are just out of the limelight at present, no doubt to return in a new outfit sometime in the future. The likes of the prodigy could be considered as punk at points during there history; grunge had a distinct DIY sound which could be considered a punk motif. I guess without trying to sound like some kind of anus, the 'spirit of punk' is alive depending on where you look for it

 

*ramble over*

mattykovax

This is actually the type of discussion I was trying to foster...+1

Well I would like to continue, however I do need to pop out for a couple of hours :)

#37 Posted by Lord_Ronskins (77 posts) -

Its not dead, it simply evolved into hippie train hopping hobos, big Punk scene here, Black Flag is actually gonna play but the Metal scene here isn't that great, so as a Metalhead sometimes Punk is all we have at times but we get some good bands comin.

#38 Posted by mattykovax (22693 posts) -

[QUOTE="mattykovax"][QUOTE="poptart"]

 

When I was a kid, punk was just the sex pistols doing everything society riled against and sang some jolly rude words. Then I heard the likes of black flag, 7 seconds, the stupids, etc and heard it was very much still going, albeit with a different asthetic.

 

Difficult to pin down what punk is - in the UK the Pistols were defined more by imagery and shock, whereas their north london counterparts (e.g the clash) were politicised. Disenfranchised youth led to an association to the emergence of UK dub at the time. Traditional hardore, oi or older school punk generes are just out of the limelight at present, no doubt to return in a new outfit sometime in the future. The likes of the prodigy could be considered as punk at points during there history; grunge had a distinct DIY sound which could be considered a punk motif. I guess without trying to sound like some kind of anus, the 'spirit of punk' is alive depending on where you look for it

 

*ramble over*

poptart

This is actually the type of discussion I was trying to foster...+1

Well I would like to continue, however I do need to pop out for a couple of hours :)

Thats good, just dont be a stranger..
#39 Posted by poptart (6877 posts) -

[QUOTE="poptart"]

[QUOTE="mattykovax"] This is actually the type of discussion I was trying to foster...+1mattykovax

Well I would like to continue, however I do need to pop out for a couple of hours :)

Thats good, just dont be a stranger..

Certainly not MattyK... I'll be knocking around for a while yet...

#40 Posted by Murderstyle75 (4412 posts) -
It died with Joey RamoneBossPerson
I'm assuming The Ramones are all you know. That kind of credit should be given to people like Johnny Thunders, Stiv Bators or Rob Tyner.
#41 Posted by mattykovax (22693 posts) -
[QUOTE="BossPerson"]It died with Joey RamoneMurderstyle75
I'm assuming The Ramones are all you know. That kind of credit should be given to people like Johnny Thunders, Stiv Bators or Rob Tyner.

Yes the new york dolls kicked ass, big influence on later musicians.
#42 Posted by cain006 (8625 posts) -

Fvcked Up (replace the "v" with a "u", obviously) released some good material in 2011.

dominer

:lol: Did you just explain your censoring?

#43 Posted by Branmuffin316 (1203 posts) -

Punk is far from dead. There are still great bands like Sick of It All and The Casualties around.

There is actually a good sized punk scene here in Michigan too. Quite a few local punk bands.

LostProphetFLCL

Are you going to the Orion Festival this weekend? Flag is going to be there on Saturday.

#44 Posted by OrkHammer007 (4751 posts) -

But the scene was already dead, the racists and metal hardcore crowd destroyed a community and disenfranchised the disenfranchised, amd the music devolved into pop-punk and hardcore metal stormfront shit.mattykovax
DRI kind of pioneered the punk/metal fusion, and they were far from "Stormfront shit."

Most of the crossover thrash bands I've heard have been fairly left leaning: the aformentioned DRI ("Gun Control"), Carnivore("Sex and Violence"), Nuclear Assault ("Critical Mass")... none of those bands could be considered skinhead-friendly.

It's not like the punk scene is totally innocent, however: it gave us FSU, thugs who strongarm small local clubs and venues who were trying to help the very bands you seem to be championing. A very good friend of mine who promotes a wide range of bands refuses to work with the hardcore and punk scene after a couple of FSU shitheads put him in the hospital with a broken orbital bone and smashed his camera.

As to the original question: there are very few "pure" genres left. Everything has been absorbed by one genre or another. Punk got eaten by pop, reggae and metal. I'll take Sublime, Municipal Waste and Gama Bomb over the Dead Kennedys or Sex Pistols any day.

#45 Posted by hippiesanta (9991 posts) -
I grew up with punk music ... but not with that good charlotte kind of s#itty music
#46 Posted by LostProphetFLCL (17752 posts) -

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

Punk is far from dead. There are still great bands like Sick of It All and The Casualties around.

There is actually a good sized punk scene here in Michigan too. Quite a few local punk bands.

Branmuffin316

Are you going to the Orion Festival this weekend? Flag is going to be there on Saturday.

Unfortunately no. Tickets were too damn expensive....

#47 Posted by dominer (3316 posts) -

[QUOTE="dominer"]

Fvcked Up (replace the "v" with a "u", obviously) released some good material in 2011.

cain006

:lol: Did you just explain your censoring?

 

Redundant, I know. But some people might get confused and miss out on a solid band.

I'm doin for the people.

#48 Posted by Novotine (1199 posts) -

all punk really consists of now is the various sub-genres. so i mean, 80s/90s punk really isn't around, but punk sub genres are very much alive (emo, pop punk, screamo, hardcore, folk punk, etc)

#49 Posted by OB-47 (10909 posts) -

Crappy punk like Greenday, Blink 182 and all that stuff is dead. 

#50 Posted by Riverwolf007 (24188 posts) -

here's your answer.

**** you.

also, i hate the queen.