Psychological differences between Liberals&Conservatives????

I think this is a good point too. Politics is the last place in Earth where people should group up and hivemind just because they want to be a part of something, yet politics is where this happens the most. That's why I think more or less, the idea of democracy at its very core is ineffective, dumb, etc. Not just that, but the concept is a bit of a lie all in itself - it's purely built on the idea of giving people the illusion of choice, and making people feel they have an important opinion. The reality is that government decisions are made by elite groups, and those elite groups have been and always will remain the same families and groups of higher-classed citizens. Society is too busy being at odds with itself to make any sort of meaningful progress. We have people pushing political decisions based on scripture written thousands of years ago, and not just the minority, but a majority. It's one big giant shit-show.

@thegerg: "I'm just trying to understand your thought process"

Yeh ok with this question maybe;

"I'm also still interested in why you feel that gay people should be disallowed to marry in a church"

But this next question has no relevance as to which side I'm on, it's just a challenging statement which is why I didn't want to get into a discussion about it.

"and how such a ban would even be enforced"

@thegerg: Jeese!! Don't you get bored? We are just going round and round in circles I'm done with this discussion.

@thegerg: "Then try to add something to it rather than telling me the same thing time and time again, and misrepresenting my beliefs"

Really? Are you still not over that? Listen, be the bigger person and don't reply.

@thegerg: "Makes numerous posts misrepresenting someone else's belief"

"Gets called out on it"

"Tells others not to post about it"

"Why do you have more of a problem with honesty than with lies"

This is how you try to have a conversation? Just give it a rest gerg ok you win your right I'm wrong I have had enough of giving your sad little life a little bit of meaning. **** the hell off.

@thegerg: i explained why I misinterpreted your comments and I'm sorry ok I'm a dumb **** ok just ignore me in future.

@thegerg: It's only you I have trouble with and a number of other people seem to have issue with you also.

It depends on the type of Church.

Gay marriage has no place in Christian Churches imo. I personally would never attend a Church that supported gay marriage.

Because it's not supported in the Bible, not because I'm some kind of hater. I just prefer to go to a church that sticks to the Bible.

@BSC14: Gay marriage has no place in Christian Churches imo. I personally would never attend a Church that supported gay marriage.

Give it time, my friend. That will be the last stop on the "LGBT Equal Rights" train.

I know but there will be the Churches that stand strong.

I just wonder how long it will be before some group comes out with a edited Bible that takes out everything negative about homosexuality.

To answer the OP's initial question of "can you be both"? The answer is of course. You can have both liberal and conservative opinions. For example, you can be pro-life(conservative) and still be for marriage equality(liberal). It's when people start to be completely partisan(all one way or all the other way) that causes problems. If you're completely conservative for the sake of staying within the bounds of the Republican platform, that's completely ridiculous. Same for liberals/Democrats. I believe most people actually fall in the middle somewhere rather than being far left or far right. When we start following the loud minority of crazy people, we start heading down a really bad path.

The most important part of politics is being able to compromise and that concept seems to have been lost on so many people these days, especially congress. This plays an important part in how you should vote as well. You look at all of the issues you care about, pay attention to each candidate's opinion on those issues, and vote for the person you think will make the most changes in your favor. This doesn't mean always vote Democrat or always vote Republican.

You don't need me to give you a Bible lesson. It would be easy enough to google it but I'm guessing you're trying to lead me to some kind of debate about a particular passage.

If you are indeed curious, which I know you're probably not, here is a link that I pulled up in 5 seconds...you can start there.

http://www.openbible.info/topics/homosexuality

LMAO, I know I've wasted time arguing with thegerg before, but damn, Xeno_ghost must have a PhD in patience to blow God knows how much time attempting to argue with thegerg; you're better off arguing with a brick wall, honestly.

@thegerg: @thegerg: "My posts could not have been more clear. It's really kind of sad that you have such trouble with simple statements"

You think that's sad? I'll tell you what's sad your life.

It's telling that he's avoiding answering this question.

As you said, he's free to go to whatever church he wants to, but there's no justification to force other churches to conform to his beliefs.

That would definitely improve it.

Not avoiding anything. If a church married a gay couple they would be going against what the Bible says....this is no Christian church imo so I don't care what they do. I think they are a disgrace and the marriage is a farce but knock yourself out.

I did read it. I made the comment based on the conversation I read.

So yeah....jog on.

Okay replace the word comprehension with "perception" and thats absolutely what he lacks, and it shouldnt be something that derails topics.

We all understand what is being said. We dont need people here calling others out because one poster cannot read between the lines. An interesting conversation topic has turned into a pointless conversation about the minor differences between two guns.

The same argument was made in support of banning interracial marriage.

@Jankarcop: Blue states are the most u happy and have the highest taxes and most poverty.

I used to be a liberal in my 20s but now many of my views are outdated and I would probably be considered a conservative. There has been no real change in my psychology or views but times change and if you don't change with them you eventually end up a conservative.

I am not aware of anyone arguing to force any church or denomination to perform marriages for gay couples. As you say, they are private institutions.

I am aware that once the State sanctions gay marriage some pre-existing religious institutions start to debate the matter internally and some of those have decided on their own to allow gay marriages.

An example of this is the United Church of Canada which is the largest protestant sect in the country and which is very liberal including gay marriage. After considerable internal discussion the church decided it was gay friendly, but would leave it up to individual parishes to decide whether to allow their particular building to be used.

I am not aware of any examples of trying to force an individual religious sect to perform gay marriages, although this often raised by religious conservatives as a red herring.

liberals want to waste public funds to improve public restrooms and interstate rest areas while conservatives just want to use them to have secret gay sex in.

@Riverwolf007: Lol love it!!

i doubt that. There was a study here made on conservatives, and they are usually less educated and more happy. But that's just here

@magicalclick: who's talking about forcing church's to marry people?

They are fee to do whatever and the fight for gay marriage doesn't want to change that.

And church's that decide to marry gay people shouldn't be shunned by people who don't agree with them.

@thegerg: bloody hell you are still going on about that, I do love our little chats but I don't want to get into another back and fourth with you on this matter.

@thegerg:

"Yes I'm still asking you to explain a strange statement that you posted. That's how people communicate"

I'll tell you what's strange, that you think to communicate with some one is to badger them endlessly till you hear what you want to hear. I've told you numerous times now I don't want to discuss this matter with you.

I'm sorry you feel so hard done by that I won't discuss it with you, feel free to not discuss your views with me ever again if you like.

You have already called it a strange view so I can tell you are in gerg mode on my opinion already, and you are obviously not interested in seeing if I'm lib or con.

Now I when I was asked to post my views to find out wether I was lib or con, I stated that I was reluctant because I didn't want to turn this thread into a debate of my views directly, if you want to debate wether my views are con or lib I would gladly do that, but that's not what you want, you just want to challenge my view and debate the fact that you think it's wrong or it has no bearing or it's "strange" so that's why I won't get into it with you on this matter.