Psychological differences between Liberals&Conservatives????

#151 Edited by KHAndAnime (13635 posts) -

@Gaming-Planet said:

It's to gain an identity in society, to have a common opinion with other folks. Some people take it way too serious, we have the idiotic conservatives in the south and we have the idiotic liberals in California.

I think this is a good point too. Politics is the last place in Earth where people should group up and hivemind just because they want to be a part of something, yet politics is where this happens the most. That's why I think more or less, the idea of democracy at its very core is ineffective, dumb, etc. Not just that, but the concept is a bit of a lie all in itself - it's purely built on the idea of giving people the illusion of choice, and making people feel they have an important opinion. The reality is that government decisions are made by elite groups, and those elite groups have been and always will remain the same families and groups of higher-classed citizens. Society is too busy being at odds with itself to make any sort of meaningful progress. We have people pushing political decisions based on scripture written thousands of years ago, and not just the minority, but a majority. It's one big giant shit-show.

#152 Posted by Xeno_ghost (683 posts) -

@thegerg: "I'm just trying to understand your thought process"

Yeh ok with this question maybe;

"I'm also still interested in why you feel that gay people should be disallowed to marry in a church"

But this next question has no relevance as to which side I'm on, it's just a challenging statement which is why I didn't want to get into a discussion about it.

"and how such a ban would even be enforced"

#153 Posted by thegerg (15063 posts) -

@thegerg: "I'm just trying to understand your thought process"

Yeh ok with this question maybe;

"I'm also still interested in why you feel that gay people should be disallowed to marry in a church"

But this next question has no relevance as to which side I'm on, it's just a challenging statement which is why I didn't want to get into a discussion about it.

"and how such a ban would even be enforced"

Why you feel that gay people should be disallowed to marry in a church?

"I didn't want to get into a discussion about it."

You certainly are interested n challenging and questioning my belief. Why can't you discuss your own?

#154 Edited by Xeno_ghost (683 posts) -

@thegerg: Jeese!! Don't you get bored? We are just going round and round in circles I'm done with this discussion.

#155 Edited by thegerg (15063 posts) -

@thegerg: Jeese!! Don't you get bored? We are just going round and round in circles I'm done with this discussion.

"We are just going round and round in circles I'm done with this discussion."

Then try to add something to it rather than telling me the same thing time and time again, and misrepresenting my beliefs.

Why you feel that gay people should be disallowed to marry in a church?

#156 Posted by Xeno_ghost (683 posts) -

@thegerg: "Then try to add something to it rather than telling me the same thing time and time again, and misrepresenting my beliefs"

Really? Are you still not over that? Listen, be the bigger person and don't reply.

#157 Edited by thegerg (15063 posts) -

@xeno_ghost:

Makes numerous posts misrepresenting someone else's belief

Gets called out on it

Tells others not to post about it

Why do you have more of a problem with honesty than with lies?

I'm just trying to have a conversation here. Why you feel that gay people should be disallowed to marry in a church?

#158 Posted by Xeno_ghost (683 posts) -

@thegerg: "Makes numerous posts misrepresenting someone else's belief"

"Gets called out on it"

"Tells others not to post about it"

"Why do you have more of a problem with honesty than with lies"

This is how you try to have a conversation? Just give it a rest gerg ok you win your right I'm wrong I have had enough of giving your sad little life a little bit of meaning. Fuck the hell off.

#159 Posted by thegerg (15063 posts) -

@thegerg: "Makes numerous posts misrepresenting someone else's belief"

"Gets called out on it"

"Tells others not to post about it"

"Why do you have more of a problem with honesty than with lies"

This is how you try to have a conversation? Just give it a rest gerg ok you win your right I'm wrong I have had enough of giving your sad little life a little bit of meaning. Fuck the hell off.

No. I have a conversation by explaining my views and asking you to explain yours. Should I try spewing insults and lies while avoiding the topic at hand like you do?

#160 Posted by Xeno_ghost (683 posts) -

@thegerg: i explained why I misinterpreted your comments and I'm sorry ok I'm a dumb fuck ok just ignore me in future.

#161 Posted by thegerg (15063 posts) -

@thegerg: i explained why I misinterpreted your comments and I'm sorry ok I'm a dumb fuck ok just ignore me in future.

You're not a dumb fuck. You just have some issue with reading comprehension and are not very good at communicating with others.

#162 Posted by Xeno_ghost (683 posts) -

@thegerg: It's only you I have trouble with and a number of other people seem to have issue with you also.

#163 Posted by BSC14 (3769 posts) -

@thegerg said:

@xeno_ghost said:

@thegerg: " I'm also still interested in why you feel that gay people should be disallowed to marry in a church, and how such a ban would even be enforced."

This sounds like a very challenging question to me, how is me telling you how I think such a ban would be inforced going to help you judge wether I am conservative or liberal?

I'm just trying to understand your thought process. Anyway, who do you feel that gay people should be disallowed to marry in a church?

It depends on the type of Church.

Gay marriage has no place in Christian Churches imo. I personally would never attend a Church that supported gay marriage.

#164 Posted by thegerg (15063 posts) -

@BSC14 said:

@thegerg said:

@xeno_ghost said:

@thegerg: " I'm also still interested in why you feel that gay people should be disallowed to marry in a church, and how such a ban would even be enforced."

This sounds like a very challenging question to me, how is me telling you how I think such a ban would be inforced going to help you judge wether I am conservative or liberal?

I'm just trying to understand your thought process. Anyway, who do you feel that gay people should be disallowed to marry in a church?

It depends on the type of Church.

Gay marriage has no place in Christian Churches imo. I personally would never attend a Church that supported gay marriage.

"I personally would never attend a Church that supported gay marriage."

OK. That's hardly good reason to ban churches from performing gay marriages.

#165 Edited by thegerg (15063 posts) -

@thegerg: It's only you I have trouble with and a number of other people seem to have issue with you also.

My posts could not have been more clear. It's really kind of sad that you have such trouble with simple statements.

#166 Posted by BSC14 (3769 posts) -

@thegerg said:

@BSC14 said:

@thegerg said:

@xeno_ghost said:

@thegerg: " I'm also still interested in why you feel that gay people should be disallowed to marry in a church, and how such a ban would even be enforced."

This sounds like a very challenging question to me, how is me telling you how I think such a ban would be inforced going to help you judge wether I am conservative or liberal?

I'm just trying to understand your thought process. Anyway, who do you feel that gay people should be disallowed to marry in a church?

It depends on the type of Church.

Gay marriage has no place in Christian Churches imo. I personally would never attend a Church that supported gay marriage.

"I personally would never attend a Church that supported gay marriage."

OK. That's hardly good reason to ban churches from performing gay marriages.

Because it's not supported in the Bible, not because I'm some kind of hater. I just prefer to go to a church that sticks to the Bible.

#167 Posted by thegerg (15063 posts) -

@BSC14 said:

@thegerg said:

@BSC14 said:

@thegerg said:

@xeno_ghost said:

@thegerg: " I'm also still interested in why you feel that gay people should be disallowed to marry in a church, and how such a ban would even be enforced."

This sounds like a very challenging question to me, how is me telling you how I think such a ban would be inforced going to help you judge wether I am conservative or liberal?

I'm just trying to understand your thought process. Anyway, who do you feel that gay people should be disallowed to marry in a church?

It depends on the type of Church.

Gay marriage has no place in Christian Churches imo. I personally would never attend a Church that supported gay marriage.

"I personally would never attend a Church that supported gay marriage."

OK. That's hardly good reason to ban churches from performing gay marriages.

Because it's not supported in the Bible, not because I'm some kind of hater. I just prefer to go to a church that sticks to the Bible.

You're more than free to go to any church that you wish. I'm just curious as to why he (or anyone else) thinks that gay people should not be allowed to be married in a church. If the people getting married and the people of the church agree, why should they not be allowed to be married?

#168 Edited by jasean79 (2371 posts) -

@BSC14: Gay marriage has no place in Christian Churches imo. I personally would never attend a Church that supported gay marriage.

Give it time, my friend. That will be the last stop on the "LGBT Equal Rights" train.

#169 Edited by BSC14 (3769 posts) -

@jasean79 said:

@BSC14: Gay marriage has no place in Christian Churches imo. I personally would never attend a Church that supported gay marriage.

Give it time, my friend. That will be the last stop on the "LGBT Equal Rights" train.

I know but there will be the Churches that stand strong.

I just wonder how long it will be before some group comes out with a edited Bible that takes out everything negative about homosexuality.

#170 Posted by thegerg (15063 posts) -

@BSC14 said:

@jasean79 said:

@BSC14: Gay marriage has no place in Christian Churches imo. I personally would never attend a Church that supported gay marriage.

Give it time, my friend. That will be the last stop on the "LGBT Equal Rights" train.

I know but there will be the Churches that stand strong.

I just wonder how long it will be before some group comes out with a edited Bible that takes out everything negative about homosexuality.

I've kind of been curious about that topic. What negative stuff, exactly, does the Bible say about homosexuality.

#171 Posted by CrillanK (86 posts) -

To answer the OP's initial question of "can you be both"? The answer is of course. You can have both liberal and conservative opinions. For example, you can be pro-life(conservative) and still be for marriage equality(liberal). It's when people start to be completely partisan(all one way or all the other way) that causes problems. If you're completely conservative for the sake of staying within the bounds of the Republican platform, that's completely ridiculous. Same for liberals/Democrats. I believe most people actually fall in the middle somewhere rather than being far left or far right. When we start following the loud minority of crazy people, we start heading down a really bad path.

The most important part of politics is being able to compromise and that concept seems to have been lost on so many people these days, especially congress. This plays an important part in how you should vote as well. You look at all of the issues you care about, pay attention to each candidate's opinion on those issues, and vote for the person you think will make the most changes in your favor. This doesn't mean always vote Democrat or always vote Republican.

#172 Posted by BSC14 (3769 posts) -

@thegerg said:

@BSC14 said:

@jasean79 said:

@BSC14: Gay marriage has no place in Christian Churches imo. I personally would never attend a Church that supported gay marriage.

Give it time, my friend. That will be the last stop on the "LGBT Equal Rights" train.

I know but there will be the Churches that stand strong.

I just wonder how long it will be before some group comes out with a edited Bible that takes out everything negative about homosexuality.

I've kind of been curious about that topic. What negative stuff, exactly, does the Bible say about homosexuality.

You don't need me to give you a Bible lesson. It would be easy enough to google it but I'm guessing you're trying to lead me to some kind of debate about a particular passage.

#173 Posted by thegerg (15063 posts) -

@BSC14 said:

@thegerg said:

@BSC14 said:

@jasean79 said:

@BSC14: Gay marriage has no place in Christian Churches imo. I personally would never attend a Church that supported gay marriage.

Give it time, my friend. That will be the last stop on the "LGBT Equal Rights" train.

I know but there will be the Churches that stand strong.

I just wonder how long it will be before some group comes out with a edited Bible that takes out everything negative about homosexuality.

I've kind of been curious about that topic. What negative stuff, exactly, does the Bible say about homosexuality.

You don't need me to give you a Bible lesson. It would be easy enough to google it but I'm guessing you're trying to lead me to some kind of debate about a particular passage.

Unable to support your claims...sad...

#174 Posted by BSC14 (3769 posts) -

@thegerg said:

@BSC14 said:

@thegerg said:

@BSC14 said:

@jasean79 said:

@BSC14: Gay marriage has no place in Christian Churches imo. I personally would never attend a Church that supported gay marriage.

Give it time, my friend. That will be the last stop on the "LGBT Equal Rights" train.

I know but there will be the Churches that stand strong.

I just wonder how long it will be before some group comes out with a edited Bible that takes out everything negative about homosexuality.

I've kind of been curious about that topic. What negative stuff, exactly, does the Bible say about homosexuality.

You don't need me to give you a Bible lesson. It would be easy enough to google it but I'm guessing you're trying to lead me to some kind of debate about a particular passage.

Unable to support your claims...sad...

If you are indeed curious, which I know you're probably not, here is a link that I pulled up in 5 seconds...you can start there.

http://www.openbible.info/topics/homosexuality

#175 Posted by gamerguru100 (10585 posts) -

LMAO, I know I've wasted time arguing with thegerg before, but damn, Xeno_ghost must have a PhD in patience to blow God knows how much time attempting to argue with thegerg; you're better off arguing with a brick wall, honestly.

#176 Edited by Xeno_ghost (683 posts) -

@thegerg: @thegerg: "My posts could not have been more clear. It's really kind of sad that you have such trouble with simple statements"

You think that's sad? I'll tell you what's sad your life.

#177 Edited by GreySeal9 (24191 posts) -

@thegerg said:

@BSC14 said:

@thegerg said:

@BSC14 said:

@thegerg said:

@xeno_ghost said:

@thegerg: " I'm also still interested in why you feel that gay people should be disallowed to marry in a church, and how such a ban would even be enforced."

This sounds like a very challenging question to me, how is me telling you how I think such a ban would be inforced going to help you judge wether I am conservative or liberal?

I'm just trying to understand your thought process. Anyway, who do you feel that gay people should be disallowed to marry in a church?

It depends on the type of Church.

Gay marriage has no place in Christian Churches imo. I personally would never attend a Church that supported gay marriage.

"I personally would never attend a Church that supported gay marriage."

OK. That's hardly good reason to ban churches from performing gay marriages.

Because it's not supported in the Bible, not because I'm some kind of hater. I just prefer to go to a church that sticks to the Bible.

You're more than free to go to any church that you wish. I'm just curious as to why he (or anyone else) thinks that gay people should not be allowed to be married in a church. If the people getting married and the people of the church agree, why should they not be allowed to be married?

It's telling that he's avoiding answering this question.

As you said, he's free to go to whatever church he wants to, but there's no justification to force other churches to conform to his beliefs.

#178 Posted by GreySeal9 (24191 posts) -

@BSC14 said:

@jasean79 said:

@BSC14: Gay marriage has no place in Christian Churches imo. I personally would never attend a Church that supported gay marriage.

Give it time, my friend. That will be the last stop on the "LGBT Equal Rights" train.

I know but there will be the Churches that stand strong.

I just wonder how long it will be before some group comes out with a edited Bible that takes out everything negative about homosexuality.

That would definitely improve it.

#179 Posted by BSC14 (3769 posts) -

@thegerg said:

@BSC14 said:

@thegerg said:

@BSC14 said:

@thegerg said:

@xeno_ghost said:

@thegerg: " I'm also still interested in why you feel that gay people should be disallowed to marry in a church, and how such a ban would even be enforced."

This sounds like a very challenging question to me, how is me telling you how I think such a ban would be inforced going to help you judge wether I am conservative or liberal?

I'm just trying to understand your thought process. Anyway, who do you feel that gay people should be disallowed to marry in a church?

It depends on the type of Church.

Gay marriage has no place in Christian Churches imo. I personally would never attend a Church that supported gay marriage.

"I personally would never attend a Church that supported gay marriage."

OK. That's hardly good reason to ban churches from performing gay marriages.

Because it's not supported in the Bible, not because I'm some kind of hater. I just prefer to go to a church that sticks to the Bible.

You're more than free to go to any church that you wish. I'm just curious as to why he (or anyone else) thinks that gay people should not be allowed to be married in a church. If the people getting married and the people of the church agree, why should they not be allowed to be married?

It's telling that he's avoiding answering this question.

As you said, he's free to go to whatever church he wants to, but there's no justification to force other churches to conform to his beliefs.

Not avoiding anything. If a church married a gay couple they would be going against what the Bible says....this is no Christian church imo so I don't care what they do. I think they are a disgrace and the marriage is a farce but knock yourself out.

#180 Edited by always_explicit (2773 posts) -

@thegerg said:

@always_explicit said:

@xeno_ghost said:

@SUD123456: "You two are killing me"

Lol!! :)

I only took issue with thegerg because he said it's tradition that states have not interfered with who can and can't get married, when in fact it has been a tradition of States to prohibit gay marriage. Only recently have gay marriage become more and more accepted.

There is honestly no point getting tied up in a back and forth with him, his only conversational skill is arguing semantics, which he does under the misguided belief it adds weight to his argument. It just shows a lack of basic comprehension.

Whilst other users show the ability to fill in the gaps in another posters knowledge and understand their views by "filling in" that missing/mistranslated information. The Gerg feels the need to expose those gaps for whatever reason. I find the real skill in conversation is being tolerant and demonstrating your ability to understand and comprehend..."read between the lines" so to speak. The gerg isnt a conversationalist. The gerg is pseudo intellectual. The sooner people on the board learn to ignore him the sooner he will go away.

Maybe you need to go back and read the thread. My conversation with Xeno has nothing to do with semantics. Cut the bullshit, it makes you look like a fool. Stick to reality.

I did read it. I made the comment based on the conversation I read.

So yeah....jog on.

#181 Posted by always_explicit (2773 posts) -

@jasean79 said:

@always_explicit said:

@xeno_ghost said:

@SUD123456: "You two are killing me"

Lol!! :)

I only took issue with thegerg because he said it's tradition that states have not interfered with who can and can't get married, when in fact it has been a tradition of States to prohibit gay marriage. Only recently have gay marriage become more and more accepted.

There is honestly no point getting tied up in a back and forth with him, his only conversational skill is arguing semantics, which he does under the misguided belief it adds weight to his argument. It just shows a lack of basic comprehension.

Whilst other users show the ability to fill in the gaps in another posters knowledge and understand their views by "filling in" that missing/mistranslated information. The Gerg feels the need to expose those gaps for whatever reason. I find the real skill in conversation is being tolerant and demonstrating your ability to understand and comprehend..."read between the lines" so to speak. The gerg isnt a conversationalist. The gerg is pseudo intellectual. The sooner people on the board learn to ignore him the sooner he will go away.

I disagree. While, yes, thegerg can be a royal pain in the arse sometimes, he certainly does not lack "basic comprehension". He just has a different way of approaching it.

Okay replace the word comprehension with "perception" and thats absolutely what he lacks, and it shouldnt be something that derails topics.

We all understand what is being said. We dont need people here calling others out because one poster cannot read between the lines. An interesting conversation topic has turned into a pointless conversation about the minor differences between two guns.

#182 Edited by magicalclick (22562 posts) -

I am gay and I am pro choice. I pro choice to own a gun. I pro choice to get abortion. I pro choice to peaceful death when in vegetated state or terminally ill. I pro choice to get marijuana (I heard it is not as bad as cig and alcohol anyway, I choose not to participate though, it is expensive), I pro choice to buy a big cup of soda, I pro choice in gay marriage.

And here comes the part you don't want to hear. I pro Church to have the choice to not perform marriage ceremony on gay couple. It is their right and their choice to perform marriage ceremony on whomever they feel like to. Marriage ceremony does not have any impact on tax, job opportunity, social status, and benefits. Marriage ceremony is completely optional by the private parties. Sure it would be nice to have the ceremony for fun, but, that's not required. I can easily get marriage and do the similar ceremony, just it wouldn't be a priest, it will be a cute handsome looking guy doing random blessing on me. I don't need a priest to bestow God's blessing on to me. I consider church as private club. They can deny membership all they like. I simply will just create my own religion, which I already did.

I actually don't get why it is such a big deal. We can create our own religion like Mormon. No need to force the existing religion to be something they are not ready to commit. Church should have the choice to support gay marriage when they are ready. In the meantime, just create our own religion and have our own religious fun marriage ceremony party. It is all about having fun and have people party and such. No need to get so serious about getting blessing on a very specific religion, just unnecessary.

I am pro choice.

#183 Edited by thegerg (15063 posts) -

@thegerg said:

@always_explicit said:

@xeno_ghost said:

@SUD123456: "You two are killing me"

Lol!! :)

I only took issue with thegerg because he said it's tradition that states have not interfered with who can and can't get married, when in fact it has been a tradition of States to prohibit gay marriage. Only recently have gay marriage become more and more accepted.

There is honestly no point getting tied up in a back and forth with him, his only conversational skill is arguing semantics, which he does under the misguided belief it adds weight to his argument. It just shows a lack of basic comprehension.

Whilst other users show the ability to fill in the gaps in another posters knowledge and understand their views by "filling in" that missing/mistranslated information. The Gerg feels the need to expose those gaps for whatever reason. I find the real skill in conversation is being tolerant and demonstrating your ability to understand and comprehend..."read between the lines" so to speak. The gerg isnt a conversationalist. The gerg is pseudo intellectual. The sooner people on the board learn to ignore him the sooner he will go away.

Maybe you need to go back and read the thread. My conversation with Xeno has nothing to do with semantics. Cut the bullshit, it makes you look like a fool. Stick to reality.

I did read it. I made the comment based on the conversation I read.

So yeah....jog on.

In that case it's clear that you don't understand what the word semantics means.

#184 Posted by thegerg (15063 posts) -

@BSC14 said:

@GreySeal9 said:

@thegerg said:

@BSC14 said:

@thegerg said:

@BSC14 said:

@thegerg said:

@xeno_ghost said:

@thegerg: " I'm also still interested in why you feel that gay people should be disallowed to marry in a church, and how such a ban would even be enforced."

This sounds like a very challenging question to me, how is me telling you how I think such a ban would be inforced going to help you judge wether I am conservative or liberal?

I'm just trying to understand your thought process. Anyway, who do you feel that gay people should be disallowed to marry in a church?

It depends on the type of Church.

Gay marriage has no place in Christian Churches imo. I personally would never attend a Church that supported gay marriage.

"I personally would never attend a Church that supported gay marriage."

OK. That's hardly good reason to ban churches from performing gay marriages.

Because it's not supported in the Bible, not because I'm some kind of hater. I just prefer to go to a church that sticks to the Bible.

You're more than free to go to any church that you wish. I'm just curious as to why he (or anyone else) thinks that gay people should not be allowed to be married in a church. If the people getting married and the people of the church agree, why should they not be allowed to be married?

It's telling that he's avoiding answering this question.

As you said, he's free to go to whatever church he wants to, but there's no justification to force other churches to conform to his beliefs.

Not avoiding anything. If a church married a gay couple they would be going against what the Bible says....this is no Christian church imo so I don't care what they do. I think they are a disgrace and the marriage is a farce but knock yourself out.

"If a church married a gay couple they would be going against what the Bible says....this is no Christian church imo"

FYI, your opinion has no bearing on whether or not that would be a Christian church. What if the pastor wore a cotton shirt with poly-blend pants? That would also be against what the Bible says. Would that not be a Christian church?

Anyway, none of that has any bearing on what I'm asking. He said that gay people should not be allowed to marry in a church, I'm trying to figure out why.

#185 Posted by toast_burner (21522 posts) -

@BSC14 said:

@GreySeal9 said:

It's telling that he's avoiding answering this question.

As you said, he's free to go to whatever church he wants to, but there's no justification to force other churches to conform to his beliefs.

Not avoiding anything. If a church married a gay couple they would be going against what the Bible says....this is no Christian church imo so I don't care what they do. I think they are a disgrace and the marriage is a farce but knock yourself out.

The same argument was made in support of banning interracial marriage.

#186 Posted by JimB (204 posts) -

@Jankarcop: Blue states are the most u happy and have the highest taxes and most poverty.

#187 Edited by Strakha (1786 posts) -

I used to be a liberal in my 20s but now many of my views are outdated and I would probably be considered a conservative. There has been no real change in my psychology or views but times change and if you don't change with them you eventually end up a conservative.

#188 Posted by SUD123456 (4446 posts) -

I am gay and I am pro choice. I pro choice to own a gun. I pro choice to get abortion. I pro choice to peaceful death when in vegetated state or terminally ill. I pro choice to get marijuana (I heard it is not as bad as cig and alcohol anyway, I choose not to participate though, it is expensive), I pro choice to buy a big cup of soda, I pro choice in gay marriage.

And here comes the part you don't want to hear. I pro Church to have the choice to not perform marriage ceremony on gay couple. It is their right and their choice to perform marriage ceremony on whomever they feel like to. Marriage ceremony does not have any impact on tax, job opportunity, social status, and benefits. Marriage ceremony is completely optional by the private parties. Sure it would be nice to have the ceremony for fun, but, that's not required. I can easily get marriage and do the similar ceremony, just it wouldn't be a priest, it will be a cute handsome looking guy doing random blessing on me. I don't need a priest to bestow God's blessing on to me. I consider church as private club. They can deny membership all they like. I simply will just create my own religion, which I already did.

I actually don't get why it is such a big deal. We can create our own religion like Mormon. No need to force the existing religion to be something they are not ready to commit. Church should have the choice to support gay marriage when they are ready. In the meantime, just create our own religion and have our own religious fun marriage ceremony party. It is all about having fun and have people party and such. No need to get so serious about getting blessing on a very specific religion, just unnecessary.

I am pro choice.

I am not aware of anyone arguing to force any church or denomination to perform marriages for gay couples. As you say, they are private institutions.

I am aware that once the State sanctions gay marriage some pre-existing religious institutions start to debate the matter internally and some of those have decided on their own to allow gay marriages.

An example of this is the United Church of Canada which is the largest protestant sect in the country and which is very liberal including gay marriage. After considerable internal discussion the church decided it was gay friendly, but would leave it up to individual parishes to decide whether to allow their particular building to be used.

I am not aware of any examples of trying to force an individual religious sect to perform gay marriages, although this often raised by religious conservatives as a red herring.

#189 Edited by Riverwolf007 (23618 posts) -

liberals want to waste public funds to improve public restrooms and interstate rest areas while conservatives just want to use them to have secret gay sex in.

#190 Edited by Xeno_ghost (683 posts) -
#191 Edited by The_Last_Ride (71280 posts) -

@-Sun_Tzu- said:

I remember reading about some study that was done awhile ago that conservatives have a higher tendency to rationalize than liberals do and as a result are happier on average.

i doubt that. There was a study here made on conservatives, and they are usually less educated and more happy. But that's just here

#192 Posted by thegerg (15063 posts) -

@thegerg: @thegerg: "My posts could not have been more clear. It's really kind of sad that you have such trouble with simple statements"

You think that's sad? I'll tell you what's sad your life.

Wow, good one.

Why you feel that gay people should be disallowed to marry in a church?

#193 Posted by dave123321 (33996 posts) -

@magicalclick: who's talking about forcing church's to marry people?

They are fee to do whatever and the fight for gay marriage doesn't want to change that.

#194 Edited by InEMplease (6333 posts) -

It seems in the end we all fight for what is right. What will help.

#195 Posted by dave123321 (33996 posts) -

And church's that decide to marry gay people shouldn't be shunned by people who don't agree with them.

#196 Edited by InEMplease (6333 posts) -

I approve of secret sex in restrooms. The kinkier the better.

As long as protection is involved!

#197 Edited by Xeno_ghost (683 posts) -

@thegerg: bloody hell you are still going on about that, I do love our little chats but I don't want to get into another back and fourth with you on this matter.

#198 Posted by thegerg (15063 posts) -

@thegerg: bloody hell you are still going on about that, I do love our little chats but I don't want to get into another back and fourth with you on this matter.

Yes I'm still asking you to explain a strange statement that you posted. That's how people communicate.

#199 Edited by Xeno_ghost (683 posts) -

@thegerg:

"Yes I'm still asking you to explain a strange statement that you posted. That's how people communicate"

I'll tell you what's strange, that you think to communicate with some one is to badger them endlessly till you hear what you want to hear. I've told you numerous times now I don't want to discuss this matter with you.

I'm sorry you feel so hard done by that I won't discuss it with you, feel free to not discuss your views with me ever again if you like.

You have already called it a strange view so I can tell you are in gerg mode on my opinion already, and you are obviously not interested in seeing if I'm lib or con.

Now I when I was asked to post my views to find out wether I was lib or con, I stated that I was reluctant because I didn't want to turn this thread into a debate of my views directly, if you want to debate wether my views are con or lib I would gladly do that, but that's not what you want, you just want to challenge my view and debate the fact that you think it's wrong or it has no bearing or it's "strange" so that's why I won't get into it with you on this matter.

#200 Posted by thegerg (15063 posts) -

@thegerg:

"Yes I'm still asking you to explain a strange statement that you posted. That's how people communicate"

I'll tell you what's strange, that you think to communicate with some one is to badger them endlessly till you hear what you want to hear. I've told you numerous times now I don't want to discuss this matter with you.

I'm sorry you feel so hard done by that I won't discuss it with you, feel free to not discuss your views with me ever again if you like.

You have already called it a strange view so I can tell you are in gerg mode on my opinion already, and you are obviously not interested in seeing if I'm lib or con.

Now I when I was asked to post my views to find out wether I was lib or con, I stated that I was reluctant because I didn't want to turn this thread into a debate of my views directly, if you want to debate wether my views are con or lib I would gladly do that, but that's not what you want, you just want to challenge my view and debate the fact that you think it's wrong or it has no bearing or it's "strange" so that's why I won't get into it with you on this matter.

I'm just curious as to what your justification would be to deny certain people religious freedom.

Anyway, why are you so interested in discussing the beliefs of others but not your own beliefs? That's quite a sign of insecurity.