PSA: watch out for these types of women

I'm probably a bit older than most in here so let me impart a valuable free of charge lesson to my fellow Y chromosomes.

First, take a hard look at yourself and do a brutally honest, no feelings spared assessment of yourself. Ask yourself these questions:

-are you the type of guy that an attractive level headed woman would want to approach and talk to?

-do you have your game in order, i.e., do you present a good image, do you project confidence, are you physically fit, is your style and fashion game up to spec, etc.?

-if you were an attractive high value female, would you want to approach and talk up a guy who is exactly like you?

Keep in mind that even though we're in a time of equality in the 21st century, women generally still expect men to make the initial approach (as it should be) and it is extremely unusual for a woman to approach a man.

Now let's get on with it. Be wary of women who are waitresses, bartenders, personal trainers, strippers, salespeople (especially if they're selling high end cars or very male oriented products), and restaurants hostesses.

If you answered NO to all or most of the above questions, 95% of these women are flirting to manipulate you into buying what they're selling (drops to about 80% if you truly have your game on). Exercise extreme caution and suspicion when dealing with these kinds of ladies.

Don't let them or anyone else sweet talk your money out of your wallet. I've been to several trade shows or even out in public watching trained very attractive ladies sidle up to hopeless easily manipulated men/easy marks/suckers (for lack of better terms) and all I can do is laugh or shake my head.

Don't be that guy. Don't be a weak sucker or an easy mark, do the approaching yourself to make certain that you control the outcome and no one else.

You seem like a very shallow guy.

Also very, very bitter lol.

@perfect_blue: Sounds like has the personality of a wet carrot.

I guess things didn't work out too well with that hottie you made a topic about several months ago TC..?

@GalvatronType_R:

As an older guy myself (likely older than you) who has been around the block, I tend to agree, there is a lot of truth in what you say, not always the case but that's a fairly accurate rough outline. If you put yourself in her shoes and understand the motivation to make more money it often makes things clearer.

The younger people on this board could learn from good advice like this, but oftentimes they somehow think they already have it all figured out. When they get older, they may realize they didn't. Especially the Trump voters (had to say it).

@GalvatronType_R: Yep. Guys who are losers shouldn't bother with waitresses, apparently they're supposed to be dating doctors or judges? Yeah, I'm a bum and a slob and that waitress seems to be interested in me. But nope, the waitress is apparently out of my league and is just trying to manipulate me, so i guess I should go pick up an archeologist or a marine biologist instead.

@n64dd: yes.

@perfect_blue: yes.

@SOedipus: things are fine with her, thanks for asking. She's a bit immature but we will see how things end up.

@MrGeezer: why do you call yourself a bum and a slob? Did you answer NO to the self assessment questions.

This is like any other advice post, follow it or no, makes no difference to me.

I watched How to be Single yesterday, boy what a rollercoaster of emotions. All of those occupations TC named have the baddest women.

@GalvatronType_R: Glad you agree you have 0 personality.

@GalvatronType_R: I'm saying that it's silly advice. The gist of your argument is that the kind of man you described is a loser, and that therefore the kinds of women that you listed are clearly just trying to take advantage of the guy if they show interest in him. However, it's not as if waitresses and bartenders are the elite members of society. If waitresses and bartenders are clearly out of the dude's league and couldn't possibly be genuinely interested in him, then what the hell kind of woman is he supposed to be dating? The dude's clearly not gonna be picking up any neurosurgeons. Your advice might as well be "hey guys, you're losers and no woman can ever possibly like you. So don't bother with ANY woman, because any woman who shows interest is clearly just trying to take advantage of you. Have fun being alone the rest of your life!"

Never mind the fact that approaching the woman yourself doesn't give you any more control of the outcome than if it were the other way around. The basic premise is that these women are salespeople and are pretending to like the dude in order to get his money. However, approaching these salespeople just made their job easier. Think about it dude, if they're in a room with 30 guys and none of those guys are approaching her, then she has to somehow identify which guys are the saps. However, if four of those guys show interest first by approaching her, then they've just identified themselves as people who have interest in her. Now she knows to concentrate her efforts on selling a product to those guys. She's got a far better chance of making a sale now that you've just walked up to her and identified yourself as someone who is interested in her.

But aside from that, this specifically relates not to salespeople, but to people who are currently acting as salespeople right at the moment. It'd kind of be erroneous to say that a waitress only wants tips if she approaches you when she's not working, because she doesn't make tips when she isn't working. The only time you really need to worry about that is if she's showing interest while she's working. But regardless of if you're talking about a waitress or a lawyer or a doctor or the girl who is bagging groceries at the local grocery store, it's pretty tacky to try to pick people up while they're working anyway. No, you DON'T look at a waitress or a bartender who is currently working, and try to pick them up. Same way that you don't try to pick up your doctor when she's giving you a rectal exam. They're not there to pick up guys, they're there to work. Especially with a lot of service jobs such as waiters and bartenders, they are not allowed to be rude to some customer who is being a douchebag. They are not allowed to walk out of the job if some customer is trying to pick them up. This automatically puts the customer in a position of power, and it's tacky as hell for that customer to use that power as a way to try to get the woman to go out with him. Have a bit of common courtesy and don't do that stuff. Regardless of what a woman's job is, you shouldn't be trying to pick her up in the first place if you're currently the customer and she's acting as the employee.

I think it's great advice that needs to be said around the holidays and especially to people who are fond of gaming.

I wish Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft put it out there before you use the console.

There is never a time where the situations the author brought up are good, every single one is bad. I don't care what you want to label them but they're all looking for a mark, a patsy, etc. This is the time of the year where it's just over the top.

The craziest women tend to be. Strippers, Nurses, Hooters/Wing House/bar tender girls, and hair stylists.

Some fun crazy most crazy, crazy.

Men don't always have to initiate an approach. There have been times when I was minding my own business and women came out of nowhere and struck a conversation with me. Airports, restaurants, etc. Usually happened when I was alone.

There was even one very pretty woman who approached me at the food court of a Target store. She approached me and introduced herself as someone who analyzes applicants for employment at her place of work. She said I have the face of someone who is very honest. I said, "Really? How do you know?" and we started having a conversation.

I guess she must've thought I was single because I never wear my wedding band. She was rather surprised when my wife came up with the food we ordered. The lady said goodbye and moved off.

The rest of the day, the wife smirked whenever I mentioned, "She said I was honest." ;)

I've had sexual relationships with a waitress, a bartender, and numerous people who sold things. I never bought a goddamn thing from them. Why? Didn't want to.

@jun_aka_pekto: "I guess she must've thought I was single because I never wear my wedding band. She was rather surprised when my wife came up with the food we ordered. The lady said goodbye and moved off."

That woman was clearly after your wallet.

I'm a handsome (married) bastard, so none of this applies to me (un)fortunately. I'm the kind of guy that gets ignored at strip clubs. I'm like an attractive woman; I don't get approached because they figure I'm tired of being constantly hit on, haha!

I was dressed in shorts and t-shirt. No accoutrements, not even a watch. I was snacking on a buttery, salt-laden pretzel. I didn't exactly ooze, I'm Mr. Moneybags! ;)

Don't think this thread is about types of women, but rather, types of employment. And the behaviours are not restricted to (presumably) attractive women flirting or something similar with (presumably) less attractive (than the woman) men. It is all permutations and combinations of looks, sexes and preferences.

Indeed, I don't understand this thread at all since it is beyond obvious and I would be stunned if people didn't know this. Having said that, it is also obvious that people want to believe the lie and that is fine too as long as it doesn't cost you too much.

Yeah, sort of like people who buy lottery tickets. They know they're not going to win, but what they're primarily buying is the fantasy that they could win. As long as it only costs a buck, what's the deal?

I figure it's probably the same with flirtatious and pretty hostesses/bartenders/strippers/whatever. They'll flirt with you for money, but I don't think anyone's getting ripped off. What they're selling is fantasy, the ILLUSION that you might have a chance with them. But I doubt that they think that the actual customers think they've got a shot. Those customers fall under the category of "creepy as hell" and probably aren't the type of person that the employees would even want to be leading on. The kind of person who thinks that the pretty waitress REALLY likes him is probably the kind of person who can't distinguish fantasy/business from reality and ends up being creepy and stalkerish. That's the kind of person who the bouncer throws out and tells not to come back. You most certainly DON'T want to be leading that kind of guy on. You might get a few bucks out of it at first, but you'll realize it wasn't worth it when find him following you home from work.

@GalvatronType_R: I think your thread is reasonable and on the right track. But I think it's more complicated than you say.

Okay, so I'll admit, I don't have a lot of confidence and I don't approach women enough. I'm not in the best shape, and I don't have a lot of money.

So there are things about myself that I could improve to increase my game I'm bringing.

But two things are worth mentioning:

1. Some women are very picky. Picky is good, but at the same time women have become super hard-asses about the type of men they will date. They want male models, successful doctors, rugged handymen, travelling journalists who are fluent in 20 different languages, and other sorts of dreamy prospects who meet their personal ideal of the perfect man for them.

2. Modern feminism complicates things even further. I get that I'm no male model, successful doctor, rugged handyman....etc.... And alright, maybe I shouldn't have my standards high enough to expect a drop-dead bombshell of a babe, or even a girl who is really thin or super-attractive. But nowadays women are kind of taught that every woman is pretty in her own way. That may be true, but the dirty truth is that some women just aren't that attractive, and some women are a lot prettier than others. And it's rough when even the girls who you lower your standards for....Still aren't lowering them for you.

I mean honestly, Idk, maybe I come off as a creep? I have been trying to meet women through online dating off and on for a solid year now, and have been on a couple of dates, but it usually never goes anywhere and we kind of stop talking after a while. I can message 50 women in a week and give them all thought-out messages, relating things we have in common or similar goals, or how judging from our writing we seem like our personalities might click - and I might get 1 response if I'm lucky. And that may or may not lead to a conversation, which may or may not lead to a date.

To put it in perspective - and I'm not making this shit up - the only girl who responded to me after I messaged like 15 different women last week, was a female escort. I kind of knew that when I messaged her, since she seemed to be looking for an actual relationship, and she seemed to appreciate the effort I put into tailoring my message specifically to her. When I mentioned that I didn't usually get replies and asked her if she'd like to talk more, she responded by telling me I would get replies if I "wasn't so scruffy" and "did something with my eyebrows". Mind you, I really don't think I look that bad. But she said I would "look so hot" if I did that. So it's like, okay, I'm not good enough for you now even though I demonstrated a good personality, and you say I'm decent-looking, but right away you're talking about ways in which I need to improve before I'm good enough for you. And if I change my looks that's enough.

I think the bottom line is, today's women are shallow. But then, maybe a lot of the men are, too.

EDIT: My point being, this woman is an escort, and is overweight as well. And she is talking about things I need to change - never mind that I already lowered my standards enough to talk to her, and there are serious things she needs to change about herself, lol.

You are thinking too much about it. If you can be yourself around someone, then they are a keeper. Spending time with them before making big commitments (moving in together, marriage, children, etc) will save everyone headaches.

TC comes off as a massive douche

Lol @ generalizing women based off of their careers.

TC probably doesn't get out much and most likely bases his assumptions off of the women in his life, while not considering the entirety of the gender.

We need more of this kind of stuff here

It's golden

I mean if you a stripper YOU BETTER BE FLIRTING WITH ME! You go to a strip club to not enjoy yourself? Not spend money? Hey they earning every dollar if I'm having a blast (not like I every been). This logic almost applies to personal trainers too. If you not saying good things about me (like how I'm more tone, fit, and stronger) while we kicking butt in the gym, what else are you doing? I don't respond well to all that yelling and cussing at me. I paid for an hour of your attention and I better be getting it.

Though I don't care too much for the advice (not wrong to the right person), the self question are great for guys in general on a personality note and physical one as well. Confidence is the key and if you need some help in that go buy some in the form of a new hair cut or nicer wardrobe.

@Ovirew: Yea people are shallow, especial the younger generation with all this photo sharing culture and photoshop pictures of celebrities.

You should get a female relative or friend to tell you what you can "improve" in your look. Do you need to trim up your eyebrows? Ask them. What about how you dress on a date? Ask them that too. It also sounds like your photo on your profile isn't the most flattering (assuming you are a decent looking guy) especially since you individually write to each woman. Good looking people can take horrible photos. Maybe its your profile summary. Ask them about all that...or maybe your standards are super high where when you "lower them" you still can't connect with someone.

With poor taste too :(

To be fair, he's not entirely off base. If you meet a waitress or a stripper at the park or at the gym or something, then yeah...the fact that she's a waitress or a stripper shouldn't have any bearing on things. It's not as if they're soulless emotionless robots that exist solely to squeeze money out of you 24/7.

HOWEVER...things sort of change once that salesperson clocks in and starts working their shift at their place of business. They didn't go wait tables or strip on a pole for fun, it's their job. When they're on the clock, they're damn sure expecting to get paid. So you probably shouldn't be showing up while they're working and expecting to be picking up a girlfriend or a date.

It's one thing if a random woman strikes up a conversation with me at the the park, and then starts flirting with me. But if I walk into a place of business and then a salesperson who is actively on duty in a job that requires them to make sales comes up to me, then the odds are that that person ISN'T interested in me. Chances are, she didn't apply to the job to meet dudes, she applied for the job to make money. Off duty is a different manner, but it's not unreasonable to generally expect people to be in "job mode" when they're currently working at their jobs.

@MrGeezer: Point being that not 95% of women in those careers are like that, and its a massive generalization.

Generalizations about entire genders can't be made without facts to back them up, which makes TC hard to take seriously. Admittedly yes some women in these careers do do that, but I'd rather read that than "95%"

Well, the actual percentage was clearly pulled out of his butt, but I don't really see it as a gender thing. I'd wager that most MALE salespeople do it too. Bottom line...a lot of people would rather not bring their jobs with them after they've clocked out for the day. However, when it comes to salesPEOPLE acting in their role AS SALESPEOPLE, it's generally pretty safe to assume that they're just trying to sell you something. doesn't apply after they've clocked out for the day and gone home, but you can pretty much assume that that's the case when they're on the job and still working.

Again, that's their job. They probably didn't show up that day to meet people or find a date, chances are that they showed up to make money.

don't worry no one would ever approach a total loser such as myself

@GalvatronType_R: Strippers are in it for the money ! Seriously ? Wow mind blown.

@MrGeezer: Point still stands.

Also whats unusual about a woman approaching a man? Maybe for TC, but if you project confidence and take care of yourself its pretty common (atleast for me). Also depends on the area, city etc. etc.

Too many confounding variables to box everyone in their respective careers and gender roles. Again, TC bases off of his personal experience instead of all the variables.

Yep. My home city was a sausage party at all the bars with very poor ratio in my mid 20s. Most dudes just got drunk & picked fights. Went to another city and the ratio was totally different. Walk up to a bar and order a drink & girl is hitting on me. I was like ok... whats going on this is a set up... Back home most told you to piss off the second you try to talk.

Totally agree depends on area city etc.

Wait, you're saying that the bartender was hitting on you? Did she actually ask you out? If not, how do you know that she was actually hitting on you, and not just acting sweet on you in order to get a better tip?

Another thing I forgot to mention is that in every place I've ever worked either it was really frowned up for employees to ask out customers or it was expressly forbidden. See, the thing is that a lot of customers do not like employees trying to ask them out. You walk into a place for a burger or a drink and then the person taking your order is actually trying to pick you up, that actually creeps a lot of people out. Turns out that in a lot of places management actually has a problem with employees using the job as a way to pick up some tail.

Believe it or not, women in those occupations can have feelings towards customers as well.

See where massive generalizations get ya? In all honesty though it depends on the area, and with OP's mindset you can miss out on a lot of fresh tail, always keep the options open and the wallet closed.

Believe it or not, in a lot of jobs (the exception being the types of piece of shit hole-in-the-wall dive bars where people are constantly fighting and the bartenders are allowed to say "get the f*** out, I don't like you") asking customers out is either frowned-upon or expressly forbidden. Doing that kind of stuff is an easy way to lose one's job. Having people post yelp reviews saying "the food was nice and service was fast, but I got a real rapey vibe from the staff who kept trying to pick me up" doesn't actually tend to look good to anyone running a professional and respectable establishment.

wtf did i just read

Hillary voters talking about women.

"If you can't date them, join them"

It's the beginnings of a cuck, I tell ya

Everyone's experience with women is different. You can't break it down to a science, unless your in a certain section of men, say nerds perhaps. Then again, you never know if that specific woman maybe into a nerd. It was just babble, meant nothing i think. But it got people talking, i think that was his point.

TC is obviously insecure and doesn't pull. Any of us would be welcoming to a chick hitting on us regardless of occupation, doesn't mean we're not going to watch our wallet.