Now that I think about it, God is kind of a jerk...

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#1 Posted by SaintWalrus (1728 posts) -

I mean no offense to any christian out there.

There is famine in the world, destruction violence.

I know the old saying

"God created free will."

But all it would take for God is one snap, and he could END violence.

He could stop that guy from stabbing that man in the throat, create a force field or something between them.

It'd kind of be like death note.

#2 Posted by OG_LIP (442 posts) -

I once talked to god in a dream, he told me he wasn't real.

#3 Posted by KiIIyou (27151 posts) -
Sounds like that fake god.
#4 Posted by MrPraline (21331 posts) -
"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully." - Richard Dawkins
#5 Posted by CptJSparrow (10897 posts) -
sage
#6 Posted by Fightingfan (38011 posts) -

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#7 Posted by KiIIyou (27151 posts) -
sageCptJSparrow
brush
#8 Posted by themajormayor (25918 posts) -
"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully." - Richard DawkinsMrPraline
That guy knows alot of words
#9 Posted by SaintWalrus (1728 posts) -

Man: I've commited 7 crimes, stolen from a church, burned down an orphanage, and cheated on 6 women. Can I go to heaven?

God: Sure! Just ask for forgivenence in a 15 second prayer before you sleep tonight

Child: I was born in a third world country in a tribe that has never even heard of God

God: nOPE! Off to hell you go!

#10 Posted by BranKetra (49073 posts) -
Are you talking about the Christian one?
#11 Posted by Xx_Socrates_xX (3671 posts) -

I lol'd at the title.

Tell me you didn't just realize this TC...

#12 Posted by MrPraline (21331 posts) -
Are you talking about the Christian one?BranKetra
I assumed so, his first line mentions not wanting to offend Christians.
#13 Posted by The-Sham (13 posts) -
Why would God want everything to be perfect? He wants there to be good and bad, isn't that the point of us existing?
#14 Posted by Joshywaa (10995 posts) -

"One must state it plainly. Religion comes from the period of human prehistory where nobody-not even the mighty Democritus who concluded that all matter was made from atoms-had the smallest idea what was going on. It comes from the bawling and fearful infancy of our species, and is a babyish attempt to meet our inescapable demand for knowledge (as well as for comfort, reassurance and other infantile needs). Today the least educated of my children knows much more about the natural order than any of the founders of religion, and one would like to think-though the connection is not a fully demonstrable one-that this is why they seem so uninterested in sending fellow humans to hell."

#15 Posted by SaintWalrus (1728 posts) -

Why would God want everything to be perfect? He wants there to be good and bad, isn't that the point of us existing?The-Sham
So he'd rather have massive destruction, unspeakable evil, and some of the most disgusting things ever thought of done. Instead of allowing us to keep free will, but just end crime period...

It wouldn't be a perfect world.

But it'd be a NICER place to live in.

#16 Posted by themajormayor (25918 posts) -

"One must state it plainly. Religion comes from the period of human prehistory where nobody-not even the mighty Democritus who concluded that all matter was made from atoms-had the smallest idea what was going on. It comes from the bawling and fearful infancy of our species, and is a babyish attempt to meet our inescapable demand for knowledge (as well as for comfort, reassurance and other infantile needs). Today the least educated of my children knows much more about the natural order than any of the founders of religion, and one would like to think-though the connection is not a fully demonstrable one-that this is why they seem so uninterested in sending fellow humans to hell."

Joshywaa
That was a pretty stupid quote.
#17 Posted by SaintWalrus (1728 posts) -
[QUOTE="Joshywaa"]

"One must state it plainly. Religion comes from the period of human prehistory where nobody-not even the mighty Democritus who concluded that all matter was made from atoms-had the smallest idea what was going on. It comes from the bawling and fearful infancy of our species, and is a babyish attempt to meet our inescapable demand for knowledge (as well as for comfort, reassurance and other infantile needs). Today the least educated of my children knows much more about the natural order than any of the founders of religion, and one would like to think-though the connection is not a fully demonstrable one-that this is why they seem so uninterested in sending fellow humans to hell."

themajormayor
That was a pretty stupid quote.

How so? It's the truth.
#18 Posted by 666BumbleBee666 (148 posts) -

Are you talking about the Christian one?BranKetra

Psssh all Gods look the same.

#19 Posted by OG_LIP (442 posts) -

You have to have faith, god listens to all.

#20 Posted by CoolSkAGuy (9665 posts) -
He has some crude sense of humor... I give you that.
#21 Posted by themajormayor (25918 posts) -

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="Joshywaa"]

"One must state it plainly. Religion comes from the period of human prehistory where nobody-not even the mighty Democritus who concluded that all matter was made from atoms-had the smallest idea what was going on. It comes from the bawling and fearful infancy of our species, and is a babyish attempt to meet our inescapable demand for knowledge (as well as for comfort, reassurance and other infantile needs). Today the least educated of my children knows much more about the natural order than any of the founders of religion, and one would like to think-though the connection is not a fully demonstrable one-that this is why they seem so uninterested in sending fellow humans to hell."

SaintWalrus

That was a pretty stupid quote.

How so? It's the truth.

The world's fastest growing religion was formed during the 19th-20th centuries. That pretty much invalidates the whole quote.

#22 Posted by parkurtommo (27391 posts) -

[QUOTE="The-Sham"]Why would God want everything to be perfect? He wants there to be good and bad, isn't that the point of us existing?SaintWalrus

So he'd rather have massive destruction, unspeakable evil, and some of the most disgusting things ever thought of done. Instead of allowing us to keep free will, but just end crime period...

It wouldn't be a perfect world.

But it'd be a NICER place to live in.

That's impossible. Just sayin
#23 Posted by SaintWalrus (1728 posts) -

[QUOTE="SaintWalrus"][QUOTE="themajormayor"] That was a pretty stupid quote.themajormayor

How so? It's the truth.

The world's fastest growing religion was formed during the 19th-20th centuries. That pretty much invalidates the whole quote.

It does not change the fact that that religion stemmed from an earlier religion The concept of religion itself is what he is talking about.
#24 Posted by 666BumbleBee666 (148 posts) -

He has some crude sense of humor... I give you that.CoolSkAGuy

lol so true, why else he make fart? LOL

#25 Posted by SaintWalrus (1728 posts) -
[QUOTE="SaintWalrus"]

[QUOTE="The-Sham"]Why would God want everything to be perfect? He wants there to be good and bad, isn't that the point of us existing?parkurtommo

So he'd rather have massive destruction, unspeakable evil, and some of the most disgusting things ever thought of done. Instead of allowing us to keep free will, but just end crime period...

It wouldn't be a perfect world.

But it'd be a NICER place to live in.

That's impossible. Just sayin

It's not impossible for a GOD who created the universe in 7 days.
#26 Posted by themajormayor (25918 posts) -

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

[QUOTE="SaintWalrus"] How so? It's the truth.SaintWalrus

The world's fastest growing religion was formed during the 19th-20th centuries. That pretty much invalidates the whole quote.

It does not change the fact that that religion stemmed from an earlier religion The concept of religion itself is what he is talking about.

Science stems from earlier advances in science.

#27 Posted by ad1x2 (5736 posts) -
Sometimes I wonder if these threads are just made to bait Christians and Atheists into huge arguments. To answer the OP's question, if you look at it that way, you could say that. You could also say that if God took our free will away and had absolute control over our actions we would probably complain about being puppets instead.
#28 Posted by SaintWalrus (1728 posts) -

The idea that "Someone," had to have created everything stems waaay back to the days of early man.

This concept gets passed down throughout history.

It just takes different forms

#29 Posted by SaintWalrus (1728 posts) -
[QUOTE="ad1x2"]Sometimes I wonder if these threads are just made to bait Christians and Atheists into huge arguments. To answer the OP's question, if you look at it that way, you could say that. You could also say that if God took our free will away and had absolute control over our actions we would probably complain about being puppets instead.

I'm not talking about getting rid of free will completely. I'm just saying, God could become Batman and just intervene with crimes. Like the movie Minority report.
#30 Posted by SaintWalrus (1728 posts) -

[QUOTE="SaintWalrus"][QUOTE="themajormayor"]

The world's fastest growing religion was formed during the 19th-20th centuries. That pretty much invalidates the whole quote.

themajormayor

It does not change the fact that that religion stemmed from an earlier religion The concept of religion itself is what he is talking about.

Science stems from earlier advances in science.

Your point being?
#31 Posted by RandomWinner (3751 posts) -

This is the impression I've had for quite some time. Its how I justify my beliefs. "If God is real, he's a d!ck". I have a hard time believing in a God when people are born into these terrible conditions, and I'm so fortunate that I'm not. I am the 1%, and I certainly don't have the pride to give that up.

#32 Posted by ad1x2 (5736 posts) -
[QUOTE="SaintWalrus"][QUOTE="ad1x2"]Sometimes I wonder if these threads are just made to bait Christians and Atheists into huge arguments. To answer the OP's question, if you look at it that way, you could say that. You could also say that if God took our free will away and had absolute control over our actions we would probably complain about being puppets instead.

I'm not talking about getting rid of free will completely. I'm just saying, God could become Batman and just intervene with crimes. Like the movie Minority report.

One thing you need to realize about any religion that is thousands of years old (not just Christianity) is that after all of that time, years of being passed by word of mouth before being put on paper, and multiple translations there will be some confusion and deviation from the original product. For all we know the Bible could be five percent the original text and 95% added on by people with an agenda. With that, nobody can say why God does what he does assuming there even is a God. One thing is for sure, you won't get a good answer here in OT with the vast majority of posters being Atheists. You want real answers seek religious clergy.
#33 Posted by muller39 (14944 posts) -

Humans are jerks...yeah that's right I'm god.

#34 Posted by BranKetra (49073 posts) -
[QUOTE="BranKetra"]Are you talking about the Christian one?MrPraline
I assumed so, his first line mentions not wanting to offend Christians.

tldr
#35 Posted by _R34LiTY_ (3331 posts) -

I mean no offense to any christian out there.

There is famine in the world, destruction violence.

I know the old saying

"God created free will."

But all it would take for God is one snap, and he could END violence.

He could stop that guy from stabbing that man in the throat, create a force field or something between them.

It'd kind of be like death note.

SaintWalrus

That kind of god sounds like a sadist...

Worship that? Never!

#36 Posted by The-Sham (13 posts) -
Well one of the main religions believes that this world and humans were just created as a sort of test. If you do good in this world then you have proven yourself to go to heaven, and if you have done bad then you go to hell. God created free will for humans for this purpose. Natural disasters are just ways in which God is testing humanity and what people do and so on.
#37 Posted by themajormayor (25918 posts) -
[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

[QUOTE="SaintWalrus"] It does not change the fact that that religion stemmed from an earlier religion The concept of religion itself is what he is talking about.SaintWalrus

Science stems from earlier advances in science.

Your point being?

What's YOUR point?
#38 Posted by MadVybz (2797 posts) -

"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully." - Richard DawkinsMrPraline

I absolutely adore Richard Dawkins.:D

#39 Posted by SaintWalrus (1728 posts) -

[QUOTE="SaintWalrus"][QUOTE="themajormayor"] Science stems from earlier advances in science.themajormayor
Your point being?

What's YOUR point?

My point is, he is not talking about one religion, He is talking about the concept of religion itself.

#40 Posted by themajormayor (25918 posts) -

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="SaintWalrus"] Your point being?SaintWalrus

What's YOUR point?

My point is, he is not talking about one religion, He is talking about the concept of religion itself.

And the concept of science is also ancient. Well not really but the foundations of science.
#41 Posted by SaintWalrus (1728 posts) -
[QUOTE="SaintWalrus"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"] What's YOUR point? themajormayor

My point is, he is not talking about one religion, He is talking about the concept of religion itself.

And the concept of science is also ancient. Well not really but the foundations of science.

Science is ancient But science is built upon the knowledge of the universe Religion is built upon good story tellers.
#42 Posted by themajormayor (25918 posts) -

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="SaintWalrus"] My point is, he is not talking about one religion, He is talking about the concept of religion itself.SaintWalrus
And the concept of science is also ancient. Well not really but the foundations of science.

Science is ancient But science is built upon the knowledge of the universe Religion is built upon good story tellers.

But now you're changing you argument entirely. That was not what we were talking about. That's not what the quote said.

#43 Posted by SaintWalrus (1728 posts) -

[QUOTE="SaintWalrus"][QUOTE="themajormayor"] And the concept of science is also ancient. Well not really but the foundations of science.themajormayor

Science is ancient But science is built upon the knowledge of the universe Religion is built upon good story tellers.

But now you're changing you argument entirely. That was not what we were talking about. That's not what the quote said.

How so? The quote said that religion was created in a time of ignorance. You said it was invalid because the fastest growing religion was created many centuries after that period. And I merely said that that does not change the fact that people get the idea of religion from that time of ignorance. Which is what the quote was talking about.