Noam Chomsky does not like the USA and the UK

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#1 samanthademeste
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It's true, he doesn't. What do you think about that, OT?

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#2 plageus900
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I probably couldn't care less. In fact, aside from my girlfriend and myself, I really don't care what anyone thinks.

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#3 deactivated-6127ced9bcba0
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I don't give a shit.

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To be fair, he's pretty even handed in his criticism of both western super powers (US, UK, etc) and east (Russia). He's surprisingly (to most people unfamiliar with his theories) less critical of China and its rise though.

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He's a fucktard. Doesn't matter.

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#6 speedfreak48t5p
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Who is this guy and why should I give a shit?

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#7  Edited By TheHighWind
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@speedfreak48t5p said:

Who is this guy and why should I give a shit?

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#8  Edited By Stesilaus
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@themajormayor said:

He's a fucktard. Doesn't matter.

I rather like good ol' Noam. Perhaps you just can't come to terms with his being both Jewish and anti-Zionist?

I don't see him as being "anti-US", or "anti-UK", or "anti-Israel". He's just "anti-imperialist".

And he's not just a political commentator. His work on formal languages and grammars is well regarded by computer scientists.

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#9  Edited By whipassmt
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Don't know much about Noam Chomsky. I first heard of him a few years back when reading "Without Roots" where Marcello Pera mentioned him.

Edit: Here is the quote that I remember about Chomsky (page 88)

If President George Bush says that there is an axis of evil he is decried, not for bad policies, but rather as a cowboy or an illiterate - an accusation one could of course never make of a European intellectual, ever wise, profound, and knowledgeable. Noam Chomsky can claim without qualms that the United States is a "leading terrorist state."

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#10 brimmul777
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@samanthademeste said:

It's true, he doesn't. What do you think about that, OT?

With all do respect,who is Noam Chomsky???

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#11 gamerguru100
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@airshocker said:

I don't give a shit.

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#12  Edited By Gaming-Planet
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Why should a I care what an old fart has to say?

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#13 samanthademeste
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@Gaming-Planet said:

Why should a I care what an old fart has to say?

Respect your elders, you young whippersnapper. (lol, joking.)

For those of you asking who Noam Chomsky is, here is a Wikipedia link:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noam_Chomsky

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I know who he is from classes I had to take (discrete math) and we went over some of the language stuff he created.

However, I don't see how that makes his opinion relevant on politics and current event.

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The replies in this thread are disgustingly stupid.

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@samanthademeste said:

It's true, he doesn't. What do you think about that, OT?

.. Being critical of a countries government policies does not equate to the dislike or hatred of a entire country..

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#17 xdude85
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Noam Chomsky hates everything.

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#18 Master_Live
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You don't say.

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#19 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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He's an immensely influential linguist but I don't know anything about his political beliefs.

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#20  Edited By SamusBeliskner
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Professor Emeritus at MIT who neo-liberalism and is a libertarian socialist, so he is a great American! The conservatives would call him "one of those fancy college folk."

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#21 garywood69
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He's a linguist and mathematician who just decided to start talking politics one day. He's right about a lot and wrong about a lot. He's not particularly good at accepting when he might be wrong though.

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@samusbeliskner said:

and is a libertarian socialist

A lot of people, including myself, don't really think that's possible.

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#23 BiancaDK
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he should revise his theory regarding brain neurology taking cues from language development

other than that i'm actually perfectly cool with the guy

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How so? I mean, some people think teaching people that America has a slave history as anti-American; so, got anything specific?

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@Stesilaus said:
@themajormayor said:

He's a fucktard. Doesn't matter.

I rather like good ol' Noam. Perhaps you just can't come to terms with his being both Jewish and anti-Zionist?

I don't see him as being "anti-US", or "anti-UK", or "anti-Israel". He's just "anti-imperialist".

And he's not just a political commentator. His work on formal languages and grammars is well regarded by computer scientists.

I can't really come to terms with anyone being anti-Zionist. Being Jewish or not has nothing to do with it.

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@garywood69 said:
@samusbeliskner said:

and is a libertarian socialist

A lot of people, including myself, don't really think that's possible.

That's probably why you are not professor emeritus at MIT :)

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#27  Edited By Stesilaus
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@themajormayor said:
@Stesilaus said:
@themajormayor said:

He's a fucktard. Doesn't matter.

I rather like good ol' Noam. Perhaps you just can't come to terms with his being both Jewish and anti-Zionist?

I don't see him as being "anti-US", or "anti-UK", or "anti-Israel". He's just "anti-imperialist".

And he's not just a political commentator. His work on formal languages and grammars is well regarded by computer scientists.

I can't really come to terms with anyone being anti-Zionist. Being Jewish or not has nothing to do with it.

If by "Zionism" is meant simply that Jewish people should be entitled to self-determination and a state of their own, then I have absolutely no problem with Zionism. (I don't think Chomsky opposes that form of Zionism either.) It's only when "Zionism" is interpreted as a right to trample neighbors and appropriate territory that I object.

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@Stesilaus said:
@themajormayor said:
@Stesilaus said:
@themajormayor said:

He's a fucktard. Doesn't matter.

I rather like good ol' Noam. Perhaps you just can't come to terms with his being both Jewish and anti-Zionist?

I don't see him as being "anti-US", or "anti-UK", or "anti-Israel". He's just "anti-imperialist".

And he's not just a political commentator. His work on formal languages and grammars is well regarded by computer scientists.

I can't really come to terms with anyone being anti-Zionist. Being Jewish or not has nothing to do with it.

If by "Zionism" is meant simply that Jewish people should be entitled to self-determination and a state of their own, then I have absolutely no problem with Zionism. (I don't think Chomsky opposes that form of Zionism either.) It's only when "Zionism" is interpreted as a right to trample neighbors and appropriate territory that I object.

But in order for the Jews to have a state of their own they would have to have some territory, so in order to get territory they would have to either take it from some other state or settle in an uninhabited place. But if a place is uninhabited then there probably is a reason for that, which would mean the Jews would most likely be either unwilling or unable to settle in that place. So for the Jews to have a Jewish state, then the Jewish state would have to get its territory at the expense of someone else, as indeed happened with the Arabs/Palestinians.

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@whipassmt said:
@Stesilaus said:
@themajormayor said:
@Stesilaus said:
@themajormayor said:

He's a fucktard. Doesn't matter.

I rather like good ol' Noam. Perhaps you just can't come to terms with his being both Jewish and anti-Zionist?

I don't see him as being "anti-US", or "anti-UK", or "anti-Israel". He's just "anti-imperialist".

And he's not just a political commentator. His work on formal languages and grammars is well regarded by computer scientists.

I can't really come to terms with anyone being anti-Zionist. Being Jewish or not has nothing to do with it.

If by "Zionism" is meant simply that Jewish people should be entitled to self-determination and a state of their own, then I have absolutely no problem with Zionism. (I don't think Chomsky opposes that form of Zionism either.) It's only when "Zionism" is interpreted as a right to trample neighbors and appropriate territory that I object.

But in order for the Jews to have a state of their own they would have to have some territory, so in order to get territory they would have to either take it from some other state or settle in an uninhabited place. But if a place is uninhabited then there probably is a reason for that, which would mean the Jews would most likely be either unwilling or unable to settle in that place. So for the Jews to have a Jewish state, then the Jewish state would have to get its territory at the expense of someone else, as indeed happened with the Arabs/Palestinians.

Yes, although I object to brazen imperialism, I'm also pragmatic enough to realize that almost all states rise at the expense of others and that harsh Darwinian processes often determine which states thrive and which states wither.

Israel may seem to hold a promising future for Zionist aspirations at present, but the nation's aggressive imperialism may provoke a backlash that will ultimately be its undoing. Only time will tell.

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@samusbeliskner said:
@garywood69 said:
@samusbeliskner said:

and is a libertarian socialist

A lot of people, including myself, don't really think that's possible.

That's probably why you are not professor emeritus at MIT :)

Lol is that the main requirement?

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@samanthademeste said:

It's true, he doesn't. What do you think about that, OT?

I think you're begging the question, TC.

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#32 fenriz275
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He's the left wing version of Ayn Rand. At first they seem really wise when you're in high school or college but later you realize anything they say that makes sense has been said by others before them and is damn obvious and all the rest is bull****.

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@Stesilaus said:
@themajormayor said:
@Stesilaus said:
@themajormayor said:

He's a fucktard. Doesn't matter.

I rather like good ol' Noam. Perhaps you just can't come to terms with his being both Jewish and anti-Zionist?

I don't see him as being "anti-US", or "anti-UK", or "anti-Israel". He's just "anti-imperialist".

And he's not just a political commentator. His work on formal languages and grammars is well regarded by computer scientists.

I can't really come to terms with anyone being anti-Zionist. Being Jewish or not has nothing to do with it.

If by "Zionism" is meant simply that Jewish people should be entitled to self-determination and a state of their own, then I have absolutely no problem with Zionism. (I don't think Chomsky opposes that form of Zionism either.) It's only when "Zionism" is interpreted as a right to trample neighbors and appropriate territory that I object.

Well yeah that's pretty much what Zionism means.

I don't understand how Zionism could be interpreted in this way, considering the definition, which is pretty much what you posted. I am pretty sure this interpretation mostly comes from anti-Zionists themselves.

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#34 whipassmt
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@samanthademeste: Do you have any source that gives evidence that Chomsky does not like the U.S. and the U.K., or at least doesn't like their policies.

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#35  Edited By Riverwolf007
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so?

you show me any large generalized population of people and i will show you a bunch of motherfuckers we all can't stand.

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#36 thebest31406
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@Riverwolf007 said:

so?

you show me any large generalized population of people and i will show you a bunch of motherfuckers we all can't stand.

Of course, this is assuming that what he says is fact.

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@thebest31406 said:
@Riverwolf007 said:

so?

you show me any large generalized population of people and i will show you a bunch of motherfuckers we all can't stand.

Of course, this is assuming that what he says is fact.

yeah i completely agree but op's dumbass statement is something that can easily be pulled directly from someones ass and still be true.

**** large generalized groups of people.

nobody likes them.

they are always doing some shit we all collectively disapprove of.

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@Stesilaus said:
@themajormayor said:
@Stesilaus said:
@themajormayor said:

He's a fucktard. Doesn't matter.

I rather like good ol' Noam. Perhaps you just can't come to terms with his being both Jewish and anti-Zionist?

I don't see him as being "anti-US", or "anti-UK", or "anti-Israel". He's just "anti-imperialist".

And he's not just a political commentator. His work on formal languages and grammars is well regarded by computer scientists.

I can't really come to terms with anyone being anti-Zionist. Being Jewish or not has nothing to do with it.

If by "Zionism" is meant simply that Jewish people should be entitled to self-determination and a state of their own, then I have absolutely no problem with Zionism. (I don't think Chomsky opposes that form of Zionism either.) It's only when "Zionism" is interpreted as a right to trample neighbors and appropriate territory that I object.

Being an anarchist, I think that he would probably oppose that.