Next Captain America will be african american

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#1 Edited by indzman (18150 posts) -

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Thoughts OT ?

Personally i'll stop following Captain America comics or movies from henceforward ( Also THOR as it will be a woman ) , call me racist , sexist or not I really don't fancy my fav super heroes i grew up reading getting colour or sex change to appeal to masses, sorry. Next what ? Batman or Superman as black guys or a Iron Woman ?

#2 Posted by commonfate (12469 posts) -

who cares

#3 Posted by SaintLeonidas (26351 posts) -

...Captain America is a persona. Like Batman. ANYONE can don the outfit and use the name, and still be and represent that PERSONA. Any objection to this is fucking moronic.

#4 Posted by Gaming-Planet (14022 posts) -

I think Obama should be Captain America.

#5 Posted by uninspiredcup (8993 posts) -

Quite like the look of that picture. Like Thor, it's a pretty cool update.

#6 Posted by dave123321 (34152 posts) -

Cool

#7 Posted by The-Apostle (12190 posts) -

Ahem... I've heard Captain America's sidekick, who is African-American, is the new Captain America, so it works. Thor being a woman doesn't work though.

#8 Posted by lostrib (37710 posts) -

It's just the Falcon taking over as captain america

You do realize that Steve Rogers hasn't always been Captain America.

Plus, it's comic books so most likely the original characters will return, just like when Cap died. Or the other times Bruce Wayne has been replaced as batman

#9 Posted by Nengo_Flow (9843 posts) -

I really hate all these classic super hero changes they have been doing for the last couple of years.

Hey lets make this iconic dude a girl so feminist wont cry that we have a misogynist agenda.

Hey lets de-feminize Wonder Woman, and give her pants, becuz women can stand strong blah blah blah.

Hey lets make an Arab hero, but not just an Arab hero, lets make it a Female Arab Super Hero to make us look like we definitely do not have stereo types.

Hey, let make this guy Black, becuz thats hip now and we dont want to look like we belong to the republican party.

Whats next, making Super Man gay, becuz gay kids need some one to look up to and represent them? And Batman transsexual becuz kids should learn that sexuality and gender is what ever you want it to be?

The truth is, they know no one cares about comics anymore, but they want to play the "we want to change and challenge societies' norms and standards, to reach a progressive future cuz we are good people yo". But its all just to stay relevant, and have people talking about them again. It worked, we are talking about a dead medium again.

#10 Posted by indzman (18150 posts) -

@Nengo_Flow said:

I really hate all these classic super hero changes they have been doing for the last couple of years.

Hey lets make this iconic dude a girl so feminist wont cry that we have a misogynist agenda.

Hey lets de-feminize Wonder Woman, and give her pants, becuz women can stand strong blah blah blah.

Hey lets make an Arab hero, but not just an Arab hero, lets make it a Female Arab Super Hero to make us look like we definitely do not have stereo types.

Hey, let make this guy Black, becuz thats hip now and we dont want to look like we belong to the republican party.

Whats next, making Super Man gay, becuz gay kids need some one to look up to and represent them? And Batman transsexual becuz kids should learn that sexuality and gender is what ever you want it to be?

The truth is, they know no one cares about comics anymore, but they want to play the "we want to change and challenge societies' norms and standards, to reach a progressive future cuz we are good people yo". But its all just to stay relevant, and have people talking about them again. It worked, we are talking about a dead medium again.

I relate to this post so much , my thoughts exactly !!!

#11 Posted by uninspiredcup (8993 posts) -

@Nengo_Flow said:

I really hate all these classic super hero changes they have been doing for the last couple of years.

Hey lets make this iconic dude a girl so feminist wont cry that we have a misogynist agenda.

Hey lets de-feminize Wonder Woman, and give her pants, becuz women can stand strong blah blah blah.

Hey lets make an Arab hero, but not just an Arab hero, lets make it a Female Arab Super Hero to make us look like we definitely do not have stereo types.

Hey, let make this guy Black, becuz thats hip now and we dont want to look like we belong to the republican party.

Whats next, making Super Man gay, becuz gay kids need some one to look up to and represent them? And Batman transsexual becuz kids should learn that sexuality and gender is what ever you want it to be?

The truth is, they know no one cares about comics anymore, but they want to play the "we want to change and challenge societies' norms and standards, to reach a progressive future cuz we are good people yo". But its all just to stay relevant, and have people talking about them again. It worked, we are talking about a dead medium again.

This didn't start happening in the last few years.

#12 Posted by SaintLeonidas (26351 posts) -

@Nengo_Flow said:

YEAH! Fucking progression! Lets stick to those classic heroes that were created in a time when white men ruled all and any deviation from that was a threat to the great RED WHITE AND BLUE! Unless you haven't noticed, we live in a very diverse world. It only makes sense that these characters, after so many years of being the same, begin to change to better represent that world and their readers.

#13 Edited by uninspiredcup (8993 posts) -

Time has a really great article on this.

http://time.com/3001549/marvel-thor-female/

So the challenge for comics is how to retain the existing audience and also grow new readers. How do you keep the attention of someone who has read thousands of stories and also take advantage of the visibility and familiarity that the movies and TV shows have brought to the characters? (Interestingly, in recent years, more girls and women have started reading superhero comics again, perhaps lured to the comics by the popular movies and TV series.)

One of the answers is to make seemingly radical changes in a character, such as having Thor become a female (or to have a black man become Captain America). The Internet buzz indicates that as many fans are outraged by the gender switch as there are those who are intrigued. And the very fact that The View and many other media outlets that generally don’t cover comics have picked up the story means that people who may have forgotten about comic books, or who never knew much about them to begin with, now know that to read about how Thor becomes a woman, they will have to go to a brick-and-mortar or online comic book store in order to find out the inside scoop.

So Marvel’s comics division—the source of the much-better-known media versions of the characters—has scored a major publicity coup. Outraged longtime Thor readers—and many lapsed ones—will buy the comic to see if their worst fears or best hopes for the storyline will come true. New readers, who otherwise would never have ventured into a comics shop, will go out of their way to find the issue, and may be induced to try some other comics they find there, as well. Thor comics sales will temporarily rise, and perhaps some of the sales increase will become permanent if readers enjoy what’s in the comic’s pages.

#14 Posted by dave123321 (34152 posts) -

You peeps be weird about this stuff

#15 Edited by SaintLeonidas (26351 posts) -

@dave123321 said:

You peeps be weird about this stuff

Hey, keeps the forum going at least. Place wouldn't exist if people didn't throw temper tantrums over the most inconsequential things.

#16 Posted by Nengo_Flow (9843 posts) -

@uninspiredcup said:

@Nengo_Flow said:

I really hate all these classic super hero changes they have been doing for the last couple of years.

Hey lets make this iconic dude a girl so feminist wont cry that we have a misogynist agenda.

Hey lets de-feminize Wonder Woman, and give her pants, becuz women can stand strong blah blah blah.

Hey lets make an Arab hero, but not just an Arab hero, lets make it a Female Arab Super Hero to make us look like we definitely do not have stereo types.

Hey, let make this guy Black, becuz thats hip now and we dont want to look like we belong to the republican party.

Whats next, making Super Man gay, becuz gay kids need some one to look up to and represent them? And Batman transsexual becuz kids should learn that sexuality and gender is what ever you want it to be?

The truth is, they know no one cares about comics anymore, but they want to play the "we want to change and challenge societies' norms and standards, to reach a progressive future cuz we are good people yo". But its all just to stay relevant, and have people talking about them again. It worked, we are talking about a dead medium again.

This didn't start happening in the last few years.

I know its been a trend in the last couple of years.

#17 Posted by Nengo_Flow (9843 posts) -

@SaintLeonidas said:

@Nengo_Flow said:

YEAH! Fucking progression! Lets stick to those classic heroes that were created in a time when white men ruled all and any deviation from that was a threat to the great RED WHITE AND BLUE! Unless you haven't noticed, we live in a very diverse world. It only makes sense that these characters, after so many years of being the same, begin to change to better represent that world and their readers.

I know my post makes me seem like a White Supremacist All American Fuck Yeah Boy, but

1) Im not American

2) Im not white

What I didnt come across in that post was that if they want to make all these multicultural and whatever gender characters.... um... why not make new heroes instead of taking well establish icons and ruining them? What wrong with doing that?

Oh wait... its a dead medium and making new characters wont get anyone's attention, so taking something already established is way easier.

#18 Edited by uninspiredcup (8993 posts) -

@Nengo_Flow said:

@uninspiredcup said:

@Nengo_Flow said:

I really hate all these classic super hero changes they have been doing for the last couple of years.

Hey lets make this iconic dude a girl so feminist wont cry that we have a misogynist agenda.

Hey lets de-feminize Wonder Woman, and give her pants, becuz women can stand strong blah blah blah.

Hey lets make an Arab hero, but not just an Arab hero, lets make it a Female Arab Super Hero to make us look like we definitely do not have stereo types.

Hey, let make this guy Black, becuz thats hip now and we dont want to look like we belong to the republican party.

Whats next, making Super Man gay, becuz gay kids need some one to look up to and represent them? And Batman transsexual becuz kids should learn that sexuality and gender is what ever you want it to be?

The truth is, they know no one cares about comics anymore, but they want to play the "we want to change and challenge societies' norms and standards, to reach a progressive future cuz we are good people yo". But its all just to stay relevant, and have people talking about them again. It worked, we are talking about a dead medium again.

This didn't start happening in the last few years.

I know its been a trend in the last couple of years.

Redesign and concepts have been happening for 60+ years

#19 Edited by Nengo_Flow (9843 posts) -

Also, has anyoe ever heard of this old Mexican Comic? (I've always wanted to know if anyone had ever heard of it)

#20 Posted by BranKetra (48771 posts) -

That you would say such things is perplexing. Similar to how the title Superman represents the strength of morality and Green Lantern represents the strength of will, Captain America personifies the virtues of the United States of America. Steve Rogers is Captain America, but the same can be said for Bucky Barnes and Sam Wilson. As a long-time ally of Steve Rogers, Sam Wilson has proven himself to be a worthy stand-in for Rogers. I hope the writers make a good story about him.

#21 Edited by lamprey263 (24217 posts) -
@lostrib said:

It's just the Falcon taking over as captain america

You do realize that Steve Rogers hasn't always been Captain America.

Plus, it's comic books so most likely the original characters will return, just like when Cap died. Or the other times Bruce Wayne has been replaced as batman

well, that explains a lot, guess TC isn't as much as a comic buff as he pretends to be

#22 Edited by SaintLeonidas (26351 posts) -

We are all ignoring the most interesting part of this change, the new (not really) Falcon!

#23 Edited by commonfate (12469 posts) -

@Nengo_Flow said:

I really hate all these classic super hero changes they have been doing for the last couple of years.

Hey lets make this iconic dude a girl so feminist wont cry that we have a misogynist agenda.

Hey lets de-feminize Wonder Woman, and give her pants, becuz women can stand strong blah blah blah.

Hey lets make an Arab hero, but not just an Arab hero, lets make it a Female Arab Super Hero to make us look like we definitely do not have stereo types.

Hey, let make this guy Black, becuz thats hip now and we dont want to look like we belong to the republican party.

Whats next, making Super Man gay, becuz gay kids need some one to look up to and represent them? And Batman transsexual becuz kids should learn that sexuality and gender is what ever you want it to be?

The truth is, they know no one cares about comics anymore, but they want to play the "we want to change and challenge societies' norms and standards, to reach a progressive future cuz we are good people yo". But its all just to stay relevant, and have people talking about them again. It worked, we are talking about a dead medium again.

wonder woman wearing pants oh nooooooooooooo

#24 Posted by chessmaster1989 (29392 posts) -

Oh look this time the racists/sexists in the thread even include TC

#25 Posted by chessmaster1989 (29392 posts) -
@Nengo_Flow said:

I really hate all these classic super hero changes they have been doing for the last couple of years.

Hey lets make this iconic dude a girl so feminist wont cry that we have a misogynist agenda.

Hey lets de-feminize Wonder Woman, and give her pants, becuz women can stand strong blah blah blah.

Hey lets make an Arab hero, but not just an Arab hero, lets make it a Female Arab Super Hero to make us look like we definitely do not have stereo types.

Hey, let make this guy Black, becuz thats hip now and we dont want to look like we belong to the republican party.

Whats next, making Super Man gay, becuz gay kids need some one to look up to and represent them? And Batman transsexual becuz kids should learn that sexuality and gender is what ever you want it to be?

The truth is, they know no one cares about comics anymore, but they want to play the "we want to change and challenge societies' norms and standards, to reach a progressive future cuz we are good people yo". But its all just to stay relevant, and have people talking about them again. It worked, we are talking about a dead medium again.

You know if you actually bothered to read the comics, the new Wonder Woman and Ms Marvel series are actually really good

#26 Posted by SaintLeonidas (26351 posts) -

@commonfate said:

@Nengo_Flow said:

I really hate all these classic super hero changes they have been doing for the last couple of years.

Hey lets make this iconic dude a girl so feminist wont cry that we have a misogynist agenda.

Hey lets de-feminize Wonder Woman, and give her pants, becuz women can stand strong blah blah blah.

Hey lets make an Arab hero, but not just an Arab hero, lets make it a Female Arab Super Hero to make us look like we definitely do not have stereo types.

Hey, let make this guy Black, becuz thats hip now and we dont want to look like we belong to the republican party.

Whats next, making Super Man gay, becuz gay kids need some one to look up to and represent them? And Batman transsexual becuz kids should learn that sexuality and gender is what ever you want it to be?

The truth is, they know no one cares about comics anymore, but they want to play the "we want to change and challenge societies' norms and standards, to reach a progressive future cuz we are good people yo". But its all just to stay relevant, and have people talking about them again. It worked, we are talking about a dead medium again.

wonder woman wearing pants oh nooooooooooooo

Fucking practicality, ruins everything.

#27 Posted by uninspiredcup (8993 posts) -
@dave123321 said:

You peeps be weird about this stuff

You think these guys are taking it seriously you should see the (ever) pretentious guardian readers.

This is patently ridiculous. Thor is a person (i.e. the Asgardian son of Odin), not a title. Yes, while Thor may be unworthy to wield Mjolnir (due to his father's spell), he still is STILL an Asgardian prince, with many innate powers (super strength, near-immortality, etc). The hammer simply augments his already present powers and grants him a few more- which is all that the inscription ""Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor" means. When Captain America lifted Mjolnir, he didn't become Thor- he remained Steve Rogers, albeit with more power.

I have absolutely no problem with Marvel introducing more important female heroes... but co-opting one of the most classic Marvel characters, who is defined not by a pseudonym or a title, but rather his real name and characteristics, is a very stupid move that smacks of a desperate attempt to earn new readers and earn PC cred by irreverently trashing a character that has been beloved since his creation by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby over 50 years ago

Random asshole -

#28 Posted by KingsofQueens (2217 posts) -

In other news, the next new ROBOCOP is an Asian American (rumored to be Donnie Yen, the guy who played Ip Man) with special Martial Arts skills, with a deadly cybernetic KungFu grip! He not only carries nun-chucks but also 2 Kitana Blades. Also he doesn't use a pistol, he uses a heavily modified "infinite" Shuriken, just one, he throws it, and works like a boomerang, made of special alloys, not even artillery shells can destroy it.

"ha...ha....ha...funny, funny...!" - Short Round quote

#29 Posted by The-Apostle (12190 posts) -
@lostrib said:

It's just the Falcon taking over as captain america

You do realize that Steve Rogers hasn't always been Captain America.

Plus, it's comic books so most likely the original characters will return, just like when Cap died. Or the other times Bruce Wayne has been replaced as batman

Also, Robin replaced Batman a couple times. Robin also became Nightwing a couple times. There was even a female Robin at one point. I'm not even a real comic book fan. I just enjoy the games and movies. But I also don't live under a rock.

#30 Posted by Behardy24 (4624 posts) -

@BranKetra said:

That you would say such things is perplexing. Similar to how the title Superman represents the strength of morality and Green Lantern represents the strength of will, Captain America personifies the virtues of the United States of America. Steve Rogers is Captain America, but the same can be said for Bucky Barnes and Sam Wilson. As a long-time ally of Steve Rogers, Sam Wilson has proven himself to be a worthy stand-in for Rogers. I hope the writers make a good story about him.

Not only of the virtues of the USA, but the old ideals of the 1940s where there was a clear line of who were the good guys and who were the bad guys. And Rogers represent the old ideals of true freedom, being truthfully, and severing fair and equal justice to all. These ideas still exist today in America, but it has been buried under people taking advantage of the system, unjustifiably spying, and taking things to far (like extreme torture and killings). This new person taking the handle of Captain America could still lead the examples of the first (which would be fine and faithful). But I think a more interesting approach were if he was pressured by his hero and government peers to apply himself of the new philosophys of fighting terror in the world today. It could make for a more realistic, scary, and philosophy ride for Cap.

#31 Posted by Barbariser (6724 posts) -

Anything that pisses off stupid racist fucks, intentionally or not, is fine by me.

#32 Posted by Pffrbt (6565 posts) -

@Nengo_Flow said:

I really hate all these classic super hero changes they have been doing for the last couple of years.

Hey lets make this iconic dude a girl so feminist wont cry that we have a misogynist agenda.

Hey lets de-feminize Wonder Woman, and give her pants, becuz women can stand strong blah blah blah.

Hey lets make an Arab hero, but not just an Arab hero, lets make it a Female Arab Super Hero to make us look like we definitely do not have stereo types.

Hey, let make this guy Black, becuz thats hip now and we dont want to look like we belong to the republican party.

Whats next, making Super Man gay, becuz gay kids need some one to look up to and represent them? And Batman transsexual becuz kids should learn that sexuality and gender is what ever you want it to be?

I'm really sick of people like you.

#33 Posted by Korvus (3968 posts) -

I think it's great! I'd rather see NEW superheroes but since that's not going to work it'll have to be good enough that they change old ones. We don't really need 50 blonde, blue-eyed males as superheroes, do we?

#35 Posted by LJS9502_basic (151458 posts) -

@SaintLeonidas said:

...Captain America is a persona. Like Batman. ANYONE can don the outfit and use the name, and still be and represent that PERSONA. Any objection to this is fucking moronic.

Eh I don't agree with that. The character in the suit matters as well...unless it's superficially written I guess.

#36 Posted by jasean79 (2375 posts) -

Meh. Who cares? I don't read comics, so I wouldn't know the difference between Captain America of 50 years ago and the one of today. Second, if I don't find the movie to be appealing, I just don't go see it. No one is forcing you to "like" the changes. Let them do whatever they want, if it's not received well by the comic community, they'll stop.

#37 Posted by Korvus (3968 posts) -

@LJS9502_basic said:

@SaintLeonidas said:

...Captain America is a persona. Like Batman. ANYONE can don the outfit and use the name, and still be and represent that PERSONA. Any objection to this is fucking moronic.

Eh I don't agree with that. The character in the suit matters as well...unless it's superficially written I guess.

I don't think Leonidas was saying the character in the suit doesn't matter, only that "but this sucks!! Captain America is not black!!" comments are a bit narrow-minded. Steve Rogers isn't black, but that doesn't mean the Cap' can't be.

#38 Edited by MBirdy88 (8330 posts) -

@SaintLeonidas said:

@Nengo_Flow said:

YEAH! Fucking progression! Lets stick to those classic heroes that were created in a time when white men ruled all and any deviation from that was a threat to the great RED WHITE AND BLUE! Unless you haven't noticed, we live in a very diverse world. It only makes sense that these characters, after so many years of being the same, begin to change to better represent that world and their readers.

While I somewhat agree, I want to play devils advocate, partly because I believe it.

But Western Society, is undergoing a self-blame culture.... while we cater to every race, gender and apologise time and time again for being white males, people take advantage of this, feminism has taken a herrendous route in the west... they are starting to take advantage of their situation and REVERSING it not Equalising it. No male pill? hypocritical assholes.

More over certain religions are trying to get their horrendous laws passed in the UK/US that goes against everything these countries stand for... I wouldn't be suprised if we eventually give in "because us white male have hurt enough people, lets keep bending over to be abused".

And while we deal with these challenges, while we bend over, over and over again. the eastern countries will not follow suit. we are the gullible smucks being domesticated and too afraid to be white males... that eventually the opposite will occur and the same mercy won't be shown.

Paranoa? meh.... you can't defend a white male in any situation now, any movements, any rights... we are not eligible for positive effects, just negative.

Point is, why do we have to destroy our image... to mix it up? why do we have to apologise and bend to others wills.

I dont care about the super hero thing that much. I liked the black green lantern...

But, if its such a problem, why don't woman and other race people just make their own heroes to go alongside the big "white" ones... why is it that the white ones have to friggin transform losing their original identity...

#39 Posted by thegerg (15458 posts) -

As long as he's American...

#40 Posted by sonicare (53485 posts) -

I dont mind the next captain america being black. I just dont like that they are making the Falcon into captain america. The falcon is pretty cool, and I'd rather have him stay as the falcon.

#41 Posted by Korvus (3968 posts) -

@thegerg said:

As long as he's American...

But he's Captain America, not Captain American. Couldn't he be Asian and fight for America?

#42 Posted by thegerg (15458 posts) -

@korvus said:

@thegerg said:

As long as he's American...

But he's Captain America, not Captain American. Couldn't he be Asian and fight for America?

We'd grant that selfless hero honorary Americanism.

#43 Posted by Korvus (3968 posts) -

@thegerg: Then no need to worry; no matter where he (or she) comes from, they'll always be American ;)

#44 Posted by iwilson1296 (2214 posts) -

@MBirdy88: pretty much

#45 Posted by dave123321 (34152 posts) -

Hey you guys who's world is crumbling around them, did you shake in fear or anger when this stuff occurred

http://www.comicsbulletin.com/columns/4291/the-many-faces-of-captain-america/

#46 Edited by thegerg (15458 posts) -

@korvus:

#47 Posted by Korvus (3968 posts) -

@thegerg: Someone's in a good mood today =D

#48 Edited by LJS9502_basic (151458 posts) -

@korvus said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@SaintLeonidas said:

...Captain America is a persona. Like Batman. ANYONE can don the outfit and use the name, and still be and represent that PERSONA. Any objection to this is fucking moronic.

Eh I don't agree with that. The character in the suit matters as well...unless it's superficially written I guess.

I don't think Leonidas was saying the character in the suit doesn't matter, only that "but this sucks!! Captain America is not black!!" comments are a bit narrow-minded. Steve Rogers isn't black, but that doesn't mean the Cap' can't be.

Oh well I don't read comics. I just watch TV/movies. I know they never keep an accurate history.....but they usually come back to the main character sooner or later. Can't get fussed over this TBH....it's not important. We really need to stop categorizing by skin tone.

#49 Posted by dave123321 (34152 posts) -

Were you guys also pissed off when James Rhodes was Iron Man?

Do you guys even have awareness of the history of these guys?

#50 Edited by Korvus (3968 posts) -

@LJS9502_basic said:

Oh well I don't read comics. I just watch TV/movies. But I know they never keep an accurate history.....but they usually come back to the main character sooner or later. Can't get fussed over this TBH....it's not important. We really need to stop categorizing by skin tone.

Same here. What surprises me is that people aren't saying "But the person behind the mask is X, not Y", because that I could understand, people get used to a specific person donning the outfit, but when they're ok with it being a different person as long as it's of the same ethnicity...to me that's just weird...