New York ranks last in personal freedom

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#1 Posted by kingkong0124 (8710 posts) -
#2 Posted by The_Lipscomb (2187 posts) -

Cool place to visit though.

#3 Posted by kingkong0124 (8710 posts) -

Wonder what OTliberals think of this

#4 Posted by lo_Pine (5048 posts) -
NYC is still the best city in the country.
#5 Posted by The_Lipscomb (2187 posts) -
NYC is still the best city in the country.lo_Pine
It is a great city, even if it does rank low in personal freedoms.. That's why you go there for a week vacation and live it up.
#6 Posted by JML897 (33120 posts) -
"North Dakota was ranked as the most free state, followed by South Dakota, Tennessee, New Hampshire and Oklahoma." lol So I guess your options are "be really free in a really dull state" or "put up with high taxes and some stupid laws to live somewhere much better"
#7 Posted by Riverwolf007 (23410 posts) -

yeah, i can't lie.

i'm pretty  tempted to load up a u-haul full of cigarettes and sell them for cheap on the streets.

i wouldn't really do it because it is illegal and organized crime is already all over that market but man... the money to be made buying cartons for $45 and selling them for $140 is just insane.

#8 Posted by lo_Pine (5048 posts) -
[QUOTE="JML897"]"North Dakota was ranked as the most free state, followed by South Dakota, Tennessee, New Hampshire and Oklahoma." lol So I guess your options are "be really free in a really dull state" or "put up with high taxes and some stupid laws to live somewhere much better"

Exactly. Republicans want to keep all the things that are killing people legal so the poor, stupid people who consume these things die off and they have to support them. Just like healthcare.
#9 Posted by mattbbpl (10557 posts) -
[QUOTE="JML897"]"North Dakota was ranked as the most free state, followed by South Dakota, Tennessee, New Hampshire and Oklahoma." lol So I guess your options are "be really free in a really dull state" or "put up with high taxes and some stupid laws to live somewhere much better"

It's always a balancing act between personal freedoms (at least from the government angle), pragmatic solutions, and one's definition of meaningful freedom.

FDA regulation, for example, decreases freedom from the government but prevents people from getting sick and dying from dangerous consumables. Likewise, gun regulation decrease freedom from the government but many people don't place those freedoms on a high priority. There's also the sticky situation in which people's freedom can be impeded by entities other than the government.
#10 Posted by NEWMAHAY (3760 posts) -

"The study had a catch-all category dubbed Bachelor Party Freedom. It weighed the amount of restriction on gambling, drugs, tobacco, liquor, marijuana, prostitution and fireworks. The study found New York to be a major buzzkill. Tobacco laws are extremely strict, and cigarette taxes are the highest in the country, encouraging the growth of a dangerous black market, the study said." Lol! Damn restrictions on prostitution and drugs = less freedom for NY

 

Tragic to be ranked last by one university studies with major emphasis on taxes.

 

NY has taxes. Surprise

#11 Posted by Ace6301 (21388 posts) -
Gay marriage being legal is about the only liberal thing I can think of about New York. For whatever reason both sides of the spectrum in the US are really authoritarian except for the Libertarians who actually aren't a significant portion of the population despite how much they yell, they're kinda like atheists in that way.
#12 Posted by NEWMAHAY (3760 posts) -

Wonder what OTliberals think of this

kingkong0124

outside of NYC and Ithaca, NY is conservative btw

#13 Posted by WhiteKnight77 (12018 posts) -

Wonder what OTliberals think of this

kingkong0124
Interesting question and curious about how they will spin it?
#14 Posted by SirWander (5176 posts) -

Hmm, well here is a link to the actual report for any inclined enough to skim through it: link

Freedom is a nebulous concept. While it tries to show how restrictive some states are in comparison to others by various factors, it doesn't do a good job of defining what it is in lieu of describing privileges citizens are entitled to and how they are restricted in those states.

I thinks it's funny how the more "freedom" a state has the less I want to live there.

#15 Posted by Rich3232 (2754 posts) -
I don't know if one would classify me as an "american liberal", but fvck Bloomberg for being such an authoritarian cvnt.
#16 Posted by sexyweapons (5302 posts) -

Must be because its so Democrat.

[spoiler] I kid!I kid! [/spoiler]

#17 Posted by NEWMAHAY (3760 posts) -
[QUOTE="kingkong0124"]

Wonder what OTliberals think of this

WhiteKnight77
Interesting question and curious about how they will spin it?

Did you even read the study?
#18 Posted by MakeMeaSammitch (3726 posts) -

wah! I can't have my 2 leter coke!

This is the largest injustice since slavery!

#19 Posted by Ace6301 (21388 posts) -
I've still never met anyone from North Dakota. Which is odd because I drove through it...or at least I think I drove through it? Does it even actually exist?
#20 Posted by SirWander (5176 posts) -

wah! I can't have my 2 leter coke!

This is the largest injustice since slavery!

MakeMeaSammitch

Just wait until they try and take your liters bro, it hasn't even begun :p

#21 Posted by MakeMeaSammitch (3726 posts) -

I've still never met anyone from North Dakota. Which is odd because I drove through it...or at least I think I drove through it? Does it even actually exist?Ace6301
doesn't that state have one of the highest suicide rates?

#22 Posted by WhiteKnight77 (12018 posts) -
[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"][QUOTE="kingkong0124"]

Wonder what OTliberals think of this

NEWMAHAY
Interesting question and curious about how they will spin it?

Did you even read the study?

No study was posted at the time I posted my reply. The fact that NY's population is decreasing and has by at least 9% seems to show that what is going on in NY isn't keeping them happy enough to stay there.
#23 Posted by Ace6301 (21388 posts) -

[QUOTE="Ace6301"]I've still never met anyone from North Dakota. Which is odd because I drove through it...or at least I think I drove through it? Does it even actually exist?MakeMeaSammitch

doesn't that state have one of the highest suicide rates?

It looks pretty high but not anywhere near Alaska or Montana. Maybe it used to be higher and now all that's left is the happy people? That may explain why it's so barren.
#24 Posted by NEWMAHAY (3760 posts) -
[QUOTE="NEWMAHAY"][QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]Interesting question and curious about how they will spin it?WhiteKnight77
Did you even read the study?

No

I could tell
#25 Posted by MrPraline (21284 posts) -
but fvck Bloomberg for being such an authoritarian cvnt. Rich3232
#26 Posted by mattbbpl (10557 posts) -
[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"]I've still never met anyone from North Dakota. Which is odd because I drove through it...or at least I think I drove through it? Does it even actually exist?Ace6301

doesn't that state have one of the highest suicide rates?

It looks pretty high but not anywhere near Alaska or Montana. Maybe it used to be higher and now all that's left is the happy people? That may explain why it's so barren.

Yeah, but comparing it to Alaska is unfair. They see little sunlight for months at a time, live in very cold conditions for half of the year, and deal with Sarah Palin.
#27 Posted by WhiteKnight77 (12018 posts) -
[QUOTE="NEWMAHAY"][QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"][QUOTE="NEWMAHAY"] Did you even read the study?

No

I could tell

Typical of OT liberals to take what was said out of context. No study is posted or was posted and the website showing what states have the best and worst personal freedoms shows that most of the liberal states are also the ones with the least amount of personal liberties. Gee, with all the talk about inclusiveness and acceptance, they really go out of their way to not make people feel welcome or free.
#28 Posted by lamprey263 (22629 posts) -
so says a right wing rag like the NY Post, it's like printed FoxNews I'd say NYC's stop and frisk policy deserves more mention than ban on oversized sugary drinks, that's what we call white peoples problems.
#29 Posted by gamerguru100 (10450 posts) -
I've still never met anyone from North Dakota. Which is odd because I drove through it...or at least I think I drove through it? Does it even actually exist?Ace6301
Yeah, it exists. I was born there and lived in a few cities there earlier in my life.
#30 Posted by LJS9502_basic (149970 posts) -
Not surprised.....
#31 Posted by gamerguru100 (10450 posts) -
[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]doesn't that state have one of the highest suicide rates?mattbbpl
It looks pretty high but not anywhere near Alaska or Montana. Maybe it used to be higher and now all that's left is the happy people? That may explain why it's so barren.

Yeah, but comparing it to Alaska is unfair. They see little sunlight for months at a time, live in very cold conditions for half of the year, and deal with Sarah Palin.

Sounds similar to North Dakota, minus Sarah Palin.
#32 Posted by Aljosa23 (24531 posts) -

Would still prefer to live there instead of some backwoods fly-over state no one cares about.

#33 Posted by NEWMAHAY (3760 posts) -

[QUOTE="NEWMAHAY"][QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]No WhiteKnight77
I could tell

Typical of OT liberals to take what was said out of context. No study is posted or was posted and the website showing what states have the best and worst personal freedoms shows that most of the liberal states are also the ones with the least amount of personal liberties. Gee, with all the talk about inclusiveness and acceptance, they really go out of their way to not make people feel welcome or free.

out of context. I asked you a question. Did you read the study? Your answer was no but you can keep making assumptions about all the liberals and all the conservatives if you want. You can also call me a liberal because you clearly assumed it (based on me asking you a question about reading the study).

I had no idea strict laws on gambling, prostitution, and drugs were great ways to knock on personal freedom on NY. For you to say "how they will spin it?", I ASSUMED you know a little something about to study to make a claim (but it seems like you just read the title of the article and assumed things).

 

Shame on me then.

#34 Posted by Reed_Bowie (568 posts) -
Growing up in New York (the state, not the city), this does not surprise me. I came from a county with some of the highest property taxes in the nation. And the education system is literally dictated by outdated regents exams that every other state abandoned (for good reason).
#35 Posted by gamerguru100 (10450 posts) -
[QUOTE="lamprey263"] I'd say NYC's stop and frisk policy deserves more mention than ban on oversized sugary drinks, that's what we call white peoples problems.

Yes, because only white people consume soft drinks. Not to mention they're only a third of the city's population.
#36 Posted by one_plum (6325 posts) -

Typical of OT liberals to take what was said out of context. No study is posted or was posted and the website showing what states have the best and worst personal freedoms shows that most of the liberal states are also the ones with the least amount of personal liberties. Gee, with all the talk about inclusiveness and acceptance, they really go out of their way to not make people feel welcome or free.WhiteKnight77

Liberals and conservatives have a different philosophy on freedom.

If you don't believe me, look at what type of countries are generally on top of the "freest countries" lists. For a conservative, they'll probably puke at all the "restrictions" those countries "impose" on their people.

#37 Posted by lostrib (32949 posts) -

Considering NYC wanted to outlaw sodas/sugary drinks greater than 16oz, no sh!t.  Also the new gun control law basically banning hand guns

#38 Posted by Slashless (10085 posts) -

>wanting to live in NYC

lel

#39 Posted by lamprey263 (22629 posts) -
I'm surprised Tennessee made it as one of "most free", I mean I saw this a while back, talks about Tennessee hgihway patrol taking money from drivers under the guise of suspicion of money being used for drug money, they're just taking normal citizens money though, because when it comes to their end game, there's always a significant percentage of citizens that won't take the right actions to get that money back, meaning money for the agencies, they're basically shaking down citizens for money to fatten their own pockets. I also saw specials that talk about Kentucky being just as bad.
#40 Posted by SirWander (5176 posts) -

Typical of OT liberals to take what was said out of context. No study is posted or was posted and the website showing what states have the best and worst personal freedoms shows that most of the liberal states are also the ones with the least amount of personal liberties. Gee, with all the talk about inclusiveness and acceptance, they really go out of their way to not make people feel welcome or free.WhiteKnight77

Are you an idiot or just willingly ignorant to the most possible extreme, I posted a link to the site where the study is hosted. Don't think it's a study; too bad it's not your call to make. And stop talking with broad generalizations, it only makes you look all the more foolish when you are proven wrong.

 

 We are thrilled to release the new edition of the Freedom in the 50 States study...Roman Hardgrave

source

#41 Posted by Ace6301 (21388 posts) -
[QUOTE="Ace6301"]I've still never met anyone from North Dakota. Which is odd because I drove through it...or at least I think I drove through it? Does it even actually exist?gamerguru100
Yeah, it exists. I was born there and lived in a few cities there earlier in my life.

I must document this finding.
#42 Posted by gamerguru100 (10450 posts) -
[QUOTE="gamerguru100"][QUOTE="Ace6301"]I've still never met anyone from North Dakota. Which is odd because I drove through it...or at least I think I drove through it? Does it even actually exist?Ace6301
Yeah, it exists. I was born there and lived in a few cities there earlier in my life.

I must document this finding.

lol
#43 Posted by WhiteKnight77 (12018 posts) -

out of context. I asked you a question. Did you read the study? Your answer was no but you can keep making assumptions about all the liberals and all the conservatives if you want. You can also call me a liberal because you clearly assumed it (based on me asking you a question about reading the study).

I had no idea strict laws on gambling, prostitution, and drugs were great ways to knock on personal freedom on NY. For you to say "how they will spin it?", I ASSUMED you know a little something about to study to make a claim (but it seems like you just read the title of the article and assumed things).

 

Shame on me then.

NEWMAHAY
Out of context is right as I stated:
No study was posted at the time I posted my reply.me
I quoted KK and more or less asking him how the liberals of OT would spin this. You interjected yourself into that conversation. I have now seen that study and replied in kind. Laws about drugs, prostitution and gambling are in place everywhere. That argument is baseless. It is the other laws that show how few freedoms there are in NY. Strict gun laws that prevent law abiding citizens the ability to purchase what they would like is just the tip of the iceberg. Large sodas in NYC being banned (and rightly overturned) is just another example. NY is just digging that hole deeper and will eventually be a state large in area, but small in population, much like Texas or Montana if they keep up the way they are going with such restrictive laws.
#44 Posted by mattbbpl (10557 posts) -
[QUOTE="gamerguru100"][QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="Ace6301"] It looks pretty high but not anywhere near Alaska or Montana. Maybe it used to be higher and now all that's left is the happy people? That may explain why it's so barren.

Yeah, but comparing it to Alaska is unfair. They see little sunlight for months at a time, live in very cold conditions for half of the year, and deal with Sarah Palin.

Sounds similar to North Dakota, minus Sarah Palin.

We may have identified the difference maker...
#45 Posted by WhiteKnight77 (12018 posts) -

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]Typical of OT liberals to take what was said out of context. No study is posted or was posted and the website showing what states have the best and worst personal freedoms shows that most of the liberal states are also the ones with the least amount of personal liberties. Gee, with all the talk about inclusiveness and acceptance, they really go out of their way to not make people feel welcome or free.SirWander

Are you an idiot or just willingly ignorant to the most possible extreme, I posted a link to the site where the study is hosted. Don't think it's a study; too bad it's not your call to make. And stop talking with broad generalizations, it only makes you look all the more foolish when you are proven wrong.

 

 We are thrilled to release the new edition of the Freedom in the 50 States study...Roman Hardgrave

source

You posted that link after I posted.  And you failed to read where I said I did read it as well as tell you about the 9% decrease in population due to what NY is up to. I read both the article and the link you posted 7 minutes after I made my post.
#47 Posted by NEWMAHAY (3760 posts) -

Laws about drugs, prostitution and gambling are in place everywhere. That argument is baseless.WhiteKnight77
Not according to the study

 

 

Why did you assume I was a liberal? I am curious. Based on what?

#48 Posted by airshocker (28715 posts) -

"North Dakota was ranked as the most free state, followed by South Dakota, Tennessee, New Hampshire and Oklahoma." lol So I guess your options are "be really free in a really dull state" or "put up with high taxes and some stupid laws to live somewhere much better"JML897

Much better? ND has something like 3% unemployment. It's ohviously a much better place to live than NY.

#49 Posted by airshocker (28715 posts) -

I've still never met anyone from North Dakota. Which is odd because I drove through it...or at least I think I drove through it? Does it even actually exist?Ace6301

Yes. It exists and it's cold.

#50 Posted by MrPraline (21284 posts) -
ND has Fargo (and the film), t3hrubikscube and it lacks Bloomberg so it's automatically better than NY