Nazi Germany vs. Imperial Japan...Who would win a war?

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#1 Posted by gamerguru100 (10744 posts) -

The Japanese were idiots to think they were going to kill lots of American soldiers by screaming at the top of their lungs in an attempt to bayonet them. All they got was a warm welcome with machine gun fire. In a hypothetical war with Germany, the Germans would simply mow them all down with their MG42 machine guns and MP40 SMGs. I've also heard that the Kar98k, the standard issue rifle of Nazi Germany, is accurate as hell.

The Germans also developed the first assault rifle, the STG-44, which could have turned the war in Germany's favor had they given it to soldiers earlier. I've seen an educational video in which I heard Hitler didn't want the STG to replace the Kar98k since he was so impressed with the latter rifle's accuracy. Oh, and Germans had V2 rockets. 'Nuff said.

Anyone willing to defend the claim that Japan would win against Germany in a hypothetical war?

#2 Posted by Barbariser (6733 posts) -

Nothing happens since they are thousands of kilometres apart and neither of them has the logistics to project their armies into each other's territory. The Japanese fleet could sink the German one pretty easily, but there's not much that they can do in the Baltic except try and launch a few bombing attacks into German territory.

#3 Posted by Dylan_11 (11293 posts) -
The Japanese did not just charge with bayonets... The Pacific War was casualty heavy on both sides.
#4 Posted by Fightingfan (38011 posts) -
Sounds like America propaganda; lets talk about Vietnam! Guerrilla tactics FTW
#5 Posted by gamerguru100 (10744 posts) -
Sounds like America propaganda; lets talk about Vietnam! Guerrilla tactics FTWFightingfan
Better than Japanese banzai charges.
#6 Posted by Fightingfan (38011 posts) -
[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]Sounds like America propaganda; lets talk about Vietnam! Guerrilla tactics FTWgamerguru100
Better than Japanese banzai charges.

Never understood banzais unless it's something of the caliber of the world trade center.
#7 Posted by Marksman2200 (23037 posts) -
To be honest, Germany had a better trained army and superior arms. Should they use the V-2 Rockets or survived long enough to develop a dirty bomb, Japan would have to submit to Germany. You also have to ask in the different styles of combat, and strategies. The German Luftwaffe were not willing to commit suicide dives to damage enemy ships, as they had U-Boats which were twice effective. The Japanese had a lack of underwater vehicles in WW2 and use air launched torpedoes to have a chance of taking down enemy ships. Otherwise a banzai dive would have to be done if the pilot had no other choice. We also don't know how the Japanese would react to a Blitzkrieg attack. If caught unprepared, the Japanese would fall like Europe did.
#9 Posted by bort_hurs (229 posts) -
which ever side indonesia is on
#10 Posted by Fightingfan (38011 posts) -

Marksman2200

^^^

Don't know if blitzkrieg would work on Japanese soil(an island); Germany would have to figure out a way to get light weight tanks to Japan before airplanes.

Because I remember right it blitzkrieg was. Small tanks go in and break through enemy lines which would then give way for the p[lanes and then stormtroopers.

One right after the other.

#11 Posted by Marksman2200 (23037 posts) -
Well Japan would have to be taken differently of course. Indo-China being the most likely candidate for Blitzkrieg, and just pound Japan in to submission with constant air raids as Germany did with the British.
#12 Posted by gamerguru100 (10744 posts) -
The Japanese did not just charge with bayonets      johokessl
I can't see those images. What are they charging with?
#13 Posted by SUD123456 (4506 posts) -

Nothing happens since they are thousands of kilometres apart and neither of them has the logistics to project their armies into each other's territory. The Japanese fleet could sink the German one pretty easily, but there's not much that they can do in the Baltic except try and launch a few bombing attacks into German territory.

Barbariser

This is the only intelligent response in this thread.

#14 Posted by GazaAli (23238 posts) -
This topic reeks of Americanism.
#15 Posted by LJS9502_basic (151691 posts) -
This topic reeks of Americanism.GazaAli
Right because the abilities of Germany and Japan lie solely with the US.:roll:
#16 Posted by Pirate700 (46465 posts) -

Just one on one? Germany.

#17 Posted by LJS9502_basic (151691 posts) -

Just one on one? Germany.

Pirate700
My pick as well....
#18 Posted by MannyDelgado (1250 posts) -

The Japanese were idiots to think they were going to kill lots of American soldiers by screaming at the top of their lungs in an attempt to bayonet them. All they got was a warm welcome with machine gun fire.

gamerguru100

YEEHAW MURICA

edit: also i can attest to the accuracy of the kar98k. source: on Company of Heroes, volksgrenadiers beat american riflemen at long range

#19 Posted by punkpunker (3321 posts) -

japan in the long run due to the islands they possesed pre 1942, naval supremecy and fanaticism to their cause, but i'll go for germay if the just steamed rolled from russia but expect losses from the crossing to japan.

#20 Posted by hippiesanta (9915 posts) -
German .. because they are tall or Japan ..... because they are very determine
#21 Posted by sexyweapons (5302 posts) -

It would be one heck of a fight,but Id say Germany.

#22 Posted by wis3boi (31582 posts) -

Germany was the most technologically advanced at the time. Japan? Not so much. And their leadership and tactics weren't that great either. Germany would win hands down. On land, the Germans would just steamroll them with thier armor

#23 Posted by WhiteKnight77 (12018 posts) -

[QUOTE="johokessl"]The Japanese did not just charge with bayonetsgamerguru100
I can't see those images. What are they charging with?

If you paid attention to the links you quoted, you would see that they are spam URLs.

#24 Posted by WhiteKnight77 (12018 posts) -

To be honest, Germany had a better trained army and superior arms. Should they use the V-2 Rockets or survived long enough to develop a dirty bomb, Japan would have to submit to Germany. You also have to ask in the different styles of combat, and strategies. The German Luftwaffe were not willing to commit suicide dives to damage enemy ships, as they had U-Boats which were twice effective. The Japanese had a lack of underwater vehicles in WW2 and use air launched torpedoes to have a chance of taking down enemy ships. Otherwise a banzai dive would have to be done if the pilot had no other choice. We also don't know how the Japanese would react to a Blitzkrieg attack. If caught unprepared, the Japanese would fall like Europe did.Marksman2200

Actually, Japan did have underwater vehicles or rather, submarines. They just didn't employ them with the greatest of thought. Where the US and Germany attacked shipping, the Japanese soley attacked military ships. The Long Lance torpedo was deadly whether launced by ship, aircraft or submarine.

#25 Posted by dercoo (12555 posts) -

In the forms they were in in WW2.... neither.

Japan lacked the army strength to match Germany in their back yard.

Germany in contrast lacked the naval power to island hop Japan.

Not to mention they are almost exactly on opposite sides of the world.

#26 Posted by SamusFreak (1928 posts) -

Imperial Japan. The Idea of Nazi Germany invading Imperial Japan, is an even bigger joke than Nazi Germany invading the US.

That is if they can fight at all. I am assuming that they get no outside help here, even for stops and staging areas, and logistically it's kind of a pain in the ass, just slighty, to get things from Germany to Japan in this time period. To fly from capital to the other, is over 5500 miles, it's a lot more by sea.

#27 Posted by gamerguru100 (10744 posts) -

This topic reeks of Americanism.GazaAli
My first sentence is the only one that mentions Americans, boo hoo. It's a fact: The Japanese got raped hard up the ass whenever they did banzai charges. Bullets>Bayonets "Americanism" my ass

#28 Posted by GazaAli (23238 posts) -

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]This topic reeks of Americanism.gamerguru100

My first sentence is the only one that mentions Americans, boo hoo. It's a fact: The Japanese got raped hard up the ass whenever they did banzai charges. Bullets>Bayonets "Americanism" my ass

This post is quite American to be honest.
#29 Posted by gamerguru100 (10744 posts) -
[QUOTE="gamerguru100"]

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]This topic reeks of Americanism.GazaAli

My first sentence is the only one that mentions Americans, boo hoo. It's a fact: The Japanese got raped hard up the ass whenever they did banzai charges. Bullets>Bayonets "Americanism" my ass

This post is quite American to be honest.

Explain. If anything, I was nearly glorifying Germany and you're calling my post "American", as if that were a bad thing. I'm tired of anti-Americans on this forum.
#30 Posted by GazaAli (23238 posts) -
[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="gamerguru100"] My first sentence is the only one that mentions Americans, boo hoo. It's a fact: The Japanese got raped hard up the ass whenever they did banzai charges. Bullets>Bayonets "Americanism" my assgamerguru100
This post is quite American to be honest.

Explain. If anything, I was nearly glorifying Germany and you're calling my post "American", as if that were a bad thing. I'm tired of anti-Americans on this forum.

You're nearly glorifying Germany because its Japan.
#31 Posted by gamerguru100 (10744 posts) -
[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="gamerguru100"][QUOTE="GazaAli"] This post is quite American to be honest.

Explain. If anything, I was nearly glorifying Germany and you're calling my post "American", as if that were a bad thing. I'm tired of anti-Americans on this forum.

You're nearly glorifying Germany because its Japan.

lolwut
#32 Posted by WhiteKnight77 (12018 posts) -

If anything, the Japanese would have been able to land troops in Germany and could more than likely have put up a decent fight against the Germans. The Germans had no amphibious capabilities otherwise England would have been invaded though the Battle of Britian put the breaks on that even before a landing was attempted. The Germans made no amphibious landings anywhere that I am aware of, they either were flown in, jumped in or were trucked in to the fight.

#33 Posted by GazaAli (23238 posts) -
[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="gamerguru100"] Explain. If anything, I was nearly glorifying Germany and you're calling my post "American", as if that were a bad thing. I'm tired of anti-Americans on this forum.gamerguru100
You're nearly glorifying Germany because its Japan.

lolwut

Its only natural to do so as the U.S had a much intense beef with Japan over Pearl Harbor and the subsequent nukes.
#34 Posted by gamerguru100 (10744 posts) -

[QUOTE="gamerguru100"][QUOTE="GazaAli"] You're nearly glorifying Germany because its Japan.GazaAli
lolwut

Its only natural to do so as the U.S had a much intense beef with Japan over Pearl Harbor and the subsequent nukes.

LOLOLOL. Dude, I was born in 1992, not 1922. I don't have a beef with Japan. Germany had better equipment than Japan Except for a navy, I suppose.

#35 Posted by GazaAli (23238 posts) -

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="gamerguru100"] lolwutgamerguru100

Its only natural to do so as the U.S had a much intense beef with Japan over Pearl Harbor and the subsequent nukes.

LOLOLOL. Dude, I was born in 1992, not 1922. I don't have a beef with Japan. Germany had better equipment than Japan Except for a navy, I suppose.

People hold grudges for generations and even when it goes away it becomes some kind of a subterranean aspect of the culture.
#36 Posted by gamerguru100 (10744 posts) -
[QUOTE="gamerguru100"]

[QUOTE="GazaAli"] Its only natural to do so as the U.S had a much intense beef with Japan over Pearl Harbor and the subsequent nukes.GazaAli

LOLOLOL. Dude, I was born in 1992, not 1922. I don't have a beef with Japan. Germany had better equipment than Japan Except for a navy, I suppose.

People hold grudges for generations and even when it goes away it becomes some kind of a subterranean aspect of the culture.

OK, this still doesn't explain why you think my post is inherently meant to glorify America, when I was crediting Germany for its awesome weaponry. I was born in '92, so I have no beef with either one of these countries.
#37 Posted by GazaAli (23238 posts) -
[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="gamerguru100"] LOLOLOL. Dude, I was born in 1992, not 1922. I don't have a beef with Japan. Germany had better equipment than Japan Except for a navy, I suppose.gamerguru100
People hold grudges for generations and even when it goes away it becomes some kind of a subterranean aspect of the culture.

OK, this still doesn't explain why you think my post is inherently meant to glorify America, when I was crediting Germany for its awesome weaponry. I was born in '92, so I have no beef with either one of these countries.

I didn't though.
#38 Posted by gamerguru100 (10744 posts) -
[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="gamerguru100"][QUOTE="GazaAli"] People hold grudges for generations and even when it goes away it becomes some kind of a subterranean aspect of the culture.

OK, this still doesn't explain why you think my post is inherently meant to glorify America, when I was crediting Germany for its awesome weaponry. I was born in '92, so I have no beef with either one of these countries.

I didn't though.

Then explain! :x JK, I really don't care anymore. :P Whatevs.
#39 Posted by GazaAli (23238 posts) -
[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="gamerguru100"] OK, this still doesn't explain why you think my post is inherently meant to glorify America, when I was crediting Germany for its awesome weaponry. I was born in '92, so I have no beef with either one of these countries. gamerguru100
I didn't though.

Then explain! :x JK, I really don't care anymore. :P Whatevs.

I was really playing you rofl
#40 Posted by gamerguru100 (10744 posts) -
[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="gamerguru100"][QUOTE="GazaAli"] I didn't though.

Then explain! :x JK, I really don't care anymore. :P Whatevs.

I was really playing you rofl

LOL, I think I remember you doing that to someone else now in some other thread a while back. You called out that you were just trolling them. :P Glad I didn't go ape$hit over it. I don't need enemies here. :P
#41 Posted by GazaAli (23238 posts) -
[QUOTE="gamerguru100"][QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="gamerguru100"] Then explain! :x JK, I really don't care anymore. :P Whatevs.

I was really playing you rofl

LOL, I think I remember you doing that to someone else now in some other thread a while back. You called out that you were just trolling them. :P Glad I didn't go ape$hit over it. I don't need enemies here. :P

I do that sometimes when I'm utterly bored or depressed :p
#42 Posted by Cloud_Insurance (3279 posts) -

The idiocy contained within the first few sentences of the original post prevent me from putting forth any sort of effort in response.

#43 Posted by 00-Riddick-00 (18884 posts) -
Stalemate.. Seriously.
#44 Posted by strategyfn (336 posts) -

The Germans made no amphibious landings anywhere that I am aware of, they either were flown in, jumped in or were trucked in to the fight.

WhiteKnight77

I think they made a small one in Norway, but that shouldn't almost count. They sent in troops by transport ships, and unloaded them in the Norwegian harbor. I really don't care or know who would win a fight between Germany and Japan.

I'll say, Germany, but not vote. I think Germany would've been able to build a nuke, if they kept on threatening their scientists, and not get their nuclear resources sabotaged by the resistance or Allies. I think the country with a nuke would win and as far as I know Germany was closer to having one.

#45 Posted by WhiteKnight77 (12018 posts) -

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

The Germans made no amphibious landings anywhere that I am aware of, they either were flown in, jumped in or were trucked in to the fight.

strategyfn

I think they made a small one in Norway, but that shouldn't almost count. They sent in troops by transport ships, and unloaded them in the Norwegian harbor. I really don't care or know who would win a fight between Germany and Japan.

I'll say, Germany, but not vote. I think Germany would've been able to build a nuke, if they kept on threatening their scientists, and not get their nuclear resources sabotaged by the resistance or Allies. I think the country with a nuke would win and as far as I know Germany was closer to having one.

Yeah, I think they unloaded, or were going to use transport ships, to put troops ashore on Crete, but the Brits made them think twice about it. Just about every German that went to Crete jumped in. Amphibious landings and being put ashore in a harbor by walking down a gangplank are two different things.

#46 Posted by sonic1564 (3265 posts) -

America

#47 Posted by Maddie_Larkin (6626 posts) -

Overall if just the two of them? well at the beginning of the war Japan would I suspect. But if they both had the adcancements they had throughout 4 years, then Overall Germany would win. Far surperior artillery, general training, smallarms, Tanks (so much that it is not even funny) and while they had little in ships (had some impressive ones) the U-Boats they had, were a serious pain and thread to the Brits and the US for a long time, vs Japan who had little in way of fighting the subs, they would be hard to get, perfect of critteping.

But it comes down to how they fought, Germans were overall more flexible when you see how they fought throughout the war, blitzkrieg, hit and run attacks, air superiority tactics and brute force warfare, the germans excelled at all of those (for better or worse).

Japan had maybe the biggest navy in the world at the time, or atleast one of them, but mainland armorments were ancient for most intents and purposes. They would have to make up for it in numbers.

But as I stated, If it was the start of the ww2 timeline, the germans would not have alot that were much more effecient then the Jaanese.

So it would overall be a case of manpower vs technolegy.

And I think the tech would win out, but the war would be devastating nomatter what, the determination, dicipline and how both looked down on other human biengs, would pretty much ensure complete ellimination of one of the sides.

#48 Posted by meconate (10476 posts) -
Germany.
#49 Posted by gamerguru100 (10744 posts) -
[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="gamerguru100"][QUOTE="GazaAli"] I was really playing you rofl

LOL, I think I remember you doing that to someone else now in some other thread a while back. You called out that you were just trolling them. :P Glad I didn't go ape$hit over it. I don't need enemies here. :P

I do that sometimes when I'm utterly bored or depressed :p

I can't blame you there, given the quality of OT.
#50 Posted by gamerguru100 (10744 posts) -

The idiocy contained within the first few sentences of the original post prevent me from putting forth any sort of effort in response.

Cloud_Insurance
Thank you for your deeply detailed contribution to the thread. Merry Christmas.