Mozilla CEO resigns following Prop 8 support criticism

So the fact that Mozilla employees weren't happy about him and asked him to step down, or that his personal views and actions were at odds wit those of Mozilla, weren't good enough reasons for him to step down?

He didn't deserve to resign at all. Period. Just because some of his employees may have wanted him to do so doesn't matter, it's still in violation of his freedoms, just in a more social and not Federal way. What would you be saying if this was reversed? If the CEO was gay and an open supporter of same sex marriage? And he was forced to resign because the majority of the employees didn't like that? These same people cheering for the first guy to leave would be up in arms if the second scenario happened. I don't understand this "Mob" mentality that you are espousing. It's not high school, people have a right to their own individual views and if one dislikes that they should move to a country where freedom of speech does not exist.

You cannot be the thought police, you cannot use the a large number of people to bully someone else. If you think this helps the gay community, you are wrong. This just makes them look like fascists ironically. Bullies who are not tolerant of other people and their opinions. They have lost the fight the moment they became militant. They have just lost.

It is another sad day to be an American. If he were supporting atheist's against Christianity or legalization of illicit drugs he would be hailed a hero. God forbid not agreeing with legitimizing a man riding another man's penis though, what a bad person! How dare he have that opinion!

Just take "In God We Trust" away now, this country does not deserve God anymore.

Holy shit the irony in this post

"it's still in violation of his freedoms"

Anyone can say what they want, but you are not free from the consequences that follow it. You people cry foul when you say and do questionably immoral things and get called out on it. That's not a violation of your freedom.

"You cannot be the thought police, you cannot use the a large number of people to bully someone else"

You mean like american evangelicals and ignorant patriots who kiss uncle sam's ass? Funny how people are so gung ho for america and 'freedom' and they don't even know their own laws and freedom of speech rules, while simultaneously trying to impose immoral 'christian values' on everyone else.

"Bullies who are not tolerant of other people and their opinions."

Like opposing two people from spending the rest of their lives together as the same sex. Ouch, your logic...it burns.

He didn't deserve to resign at all. Period. Just because some of his employees may have wanted him to do so doesn't matter, it's still in violation of his freedoms, just in a more social and not Federal way. What would you be saying if this was reversed? If the CEO was gay and an open supporter of same sex marriage? And he was forced to resign because the majority of the employees didn't like that? These same people cheering for the first guy to leave would be up in arms if the second scenario happened. I don't understand this "Mob" mentality that you are espousing. It's not high school, people have a right to their own individual views and if one dislikes that they should move to a country where freedom of speech does not exist. Just because a majority wants something doesn't make it right.

You cannot be the thought police, you cannot use the a large number of people to bully someone else. If you think this helps the gay community, you are wrong. This just makes them look like fascists ironically. Bullies who are not tolerant of other people and their opinions. They have lost the fight the moment they became militant. They have just lost.

It is another sad day to be an American. If he were supporting atheist's against Christianity or legalization of illicit drugs he would be hailed a hero. God forbid not agreeing with legitimizing a man riding another man's penis though, what a bad person! How dare he have that opinion!

Just take "In God We Trust" away now, this country does not deserve God anymore.

He didn't deserve to resign at all. Period. Just because some of his employees may have wanted him to do so doesn't matter, it's still in violation of his freedoms, just in a more social and not Federal way. What would you be saying if this was reversed? If the CEO was gay and an open supporter of same sex marriage? And he was forced to resign because the majority of the employees didn't like that? These same people cheering for the first guy to leave would be up in arms if the second scenario happened. I don't understand this "Mob" mentality that you are espousing. It's not high school, people have a right to their own individual views and if one dislikes that they should move to a country where freedom of speech does not exist. Just because a majority wants something doesn't make it right.

You cannot be the thought police, you cannot use the a large number of people to bully someone else. If you think this helps the gay community, you are wrong. This just makes them look like fascists ironically. Bullies who are not tolerant of other people and their opinions. They have lost the fight the moment they became militant. They have just lost.

It is another sad day to be an American. If he were supporting atheist's against Christianity or legalization of illicit drugs he would be hailed a hero. God forbid not agreeing with legitimizing a man riding another man's penis though, what a bad person! How dare he have that opinion!

Just take "In God We Trust" away now, this country does not deserve God anymore.

He didn't deserve to resign at all. Period. Just because some of his employees may have wanted him to do so doesn't matter, it's still in violation of his freedoms, just in a more social and not Federal way. What would you be saying if this was reversed? If the CEO was gay and an open supporter of same sex marriage? And he was forced to resign because the majority of the employees didn't like that? These same people cheering for the first guy to leave would be up in arms if the second scenario happened. I don't understand this "Mob" mentality that you are espousing. It's not high school, people have a right to their own individual views and if one dislikes that they should move to a country where freedom of speech does not exist. Just because a majority wants something doesn't make it right.

You cannot be the thought police, you cannot use the a large number of people to bully someone else. If you think this helps the gay community, you are wrong. This just makes them look like fascists ironically. Bullies who are not tolerant of other people and their opinions. They have lost the fight the moment they became militant. They have just lost.

He didn't deserve to resign at all. Period. Just because some of his employees may have wanted him to do so doesn't matter, it's still in violation of his freedoms, just in a more social and not Federal way. What would you be saying if this was reversed? If the CEO was gay and an open supporter of same sex marriage? And he was forced to resign because the majority of the employees didn't like that? These same people cheering for the first guy to leave would be up in arms if the second scenario happened. I don't understand this "Mob" mentality that you are espousing. It's not high school, people have a right to their own individual views and if one dislikes that they should move to a country where freedom of speech does not exist. Just because a majority wants something doesn't make it right.

You cannot be the thought police, you cannot use the a large number of people to bully someone else. If you think this helps the gay community, you are wrong. This just makes them look like fascists ironically. Bullies who are not tolerant of other people and their opinions. They have lost the fight the moment they became militant. They have just lost.

What is with the condescending tone?

You are falsely assuming things about me. I am not opposed to homosexuals spending the rest of their lives together, it is a free country and they have every right to be homosexuals. I don't support gay marriage as it's in violation of my values, but I do believe in the Separation of Marriage and State. Basically Civil Unions for everyone, gay and straight alike. Marriage should have no business with the government or vice versa, Marriage should be dropped from the legal system all together. Let Marriage it's self be a private thing among Churches, Synagogues, Mosques, and Families. The Government has no business trying to regulate it or redefine it.

You have not offered any consecutive arguments. Just fallacious attacks. I will gladly debate with you if you do.

"I don't support gay marriage as it's in violation of my values"

"You cannot be the thought police, you cannot use the a large number of people to bully someone else"

Nice contradiction. This is exactly what many christian americans are trying to do with laws.

"Basically Civil Unions for everyone, gay and straight alike"

Marriage with a different name is still marriage. Might as well make up your own name for a flower...it's still a flower.

"The Government has no business trying to regulate it or redefine it"

State by state, and globally, country by country, marriage is taking the form of what it really means: Bond between two consenting adults. Religion does not have the monopoly on marriage, it didn't even invent it. Secular laws and guidelines trump ancient mythology every time. Religious excuses are not accepted in a court. Marriage is a legal contract with benefits, so yes...they actually do have the right to regulate it right now despite what you think it should be.

"Just fallacious attacks"

I'm going to take a wild guess and say you're new to what fallacies are.

It is another sad day to be an American. If he were supporting atheist's against Christianity or legalization of illicit drugs he would be hailed a hero. God forbid not agreeing with legitimizing a man riding another man's penis though, what a bad person! How dare he have that opinion!

Just take "In God We Trust" away now, this country does not deserve God anymore.

God forbid not agreeing with legitimizing a man riding another man's penis though, what a bad person! How dare he have that opinion!

I'd say it's God that doesn't deserve America. We can do better than pledging our allegiance to an imaginary genocidal big brother with an anger problem. Does nothing but turn good, honest people into bigoted tribalists.

lol at you and your passive aggression. I feel bad for you if you think gay rights are solely about men having sex with each other.

We are talking about a man who represents a company resigning because he lost support from his workers, mainly for his attitude towards homosexuals tarnishing the brand name.

So yes my question is entirely on topic. You say that you shouldn't be allowed to be fired for being openly homophobic, does the same apply for people who are openly racist? If you allow one you must allow the other.

@Barbariser: Awww kawaiiii, the LGBT militia is after me now. Too bad I'm too far away for you to coerce me into enlightenment. I guess living here has its perks after all because I'd really hate to be an American with a slightly different views on homosexuality right now. And honestly, you're too hostile and deceptive for a supposedly egalitarian, progressive and enlightened man. I guess your traits and qualities of tolerance and nobility only show when buggery is involved. The LGBT movement and its proponents are one step away from going on a witch hunt against anyone that might disagree with them in the slightest.

^I feel like all anti-homosexuality posters do is cry about not being taken seriously or not being respected.

^I feel like all anti-homosexuality posters do is cry about not being taken seriously or not being respected.

Considering that homophobia is often linked to self confidence issues, do you really expect them to be thick skinned or rational?

It always fucking devolves into some bullshit about being tolerant of intolerance.

@Barbariser: Awww kawaiiii, the LGBT militia is after me now. Too bad I'm too far away for you to coerce me into enlightenment. I guess living here has its perks after all because I'd really hate to be an American with a slightly different views on homosexuality right now. And honestly, you're too hostile and deceptive for a supposedly egalitarian, progressive and enlightened man. I guess your traits and qualities of tolerance and nobility only show when buggery is involved. The LGBT movement and its proponents are one step away from going on a witch hunt against anyone that might disagree with them in the slightest.

We never have done that

Que?

I think he means Americans have never been bigoted tribalists.

I also think he never read about the Salem witch trials.

No that's now what I meant at all

It always fucking devolves into some bullshit about being tolerant of intolerance.

Not really. At least in this topic, its about LGBT people shutting the **** up and letting people be. Its rather simple and unambiguous, at least in this straightforward case. Besides, why does it always have to devolve into homophobia when anything related to homosexuality is discussed? This topic does not even have the slightest to do with homosexuality itself. All that has been argued so far is that the man should not have been made to resign. So again tell me, where does homophobia and homosexuality fit in the picture?

And regarding my post to Barbariser, he launched a personal attack that has nothing to do with this topic, I reciprocated, again its rather simple. So why are we discussing homosexuality and homophobia?

Not really. At least in this topic, its about LGBT people shutting the **** up and letting people be. Its rather simple and unambiguous, at least in this straightforward case. Besides, why does it always have to devolve into homophobia when anything related to homosexuality is discussed? This topic does not even have the slightest to do with homosexuality itself. All that has been argued so far is that the man should not have been made to resign. So again tell me, where does homophobia and homosexuality fit in the picture?

And regarding my post to Barbariser, he launched a personal attack that has nothing to do with this topic, I reciprocated, again its rather simple. So why are we discussing homosexuality and homophobia?

Not really. At least in this topic, its about LGBT people shutting the **** up and letting people be. Its rather simple and unambiguous, at least in this straightforward case. Besides, why does it always have to devolve into homophobia when anything related to homosexuality is discussed? This topic does not even have the slightest to do with homosexuality itself. All that has been argued so far is that the man should not have been made to resign. So again tell me, where does homophobia and homosexuality fit in the picture?

And regarding my post to Barbariser, he launched a personal attack that has nothing to do with this topic, I reciprocated, again its rather simple. So why are we discussing homosexuality and homophobia?

Not really. At least in this topic, its about LGBT people shutting the **** up and letting people be. Its rather simple and unambiguous, at least in this straightforward case. Besides, why does it always have to devolve into homophobia when anything related to homosexuality is discussed? This topic does not even have the slightest to do with homosexuality itself. All that has been argued so far is that the man should not have been made to resign. So again tell me, where does homophobia and homosexuality fit in the picture?

And regarding my post to Barbariser, he launched a personal attack that has nothing to do with this topic, I reciprocated, again its rather simple. So why are we discussing homosexuality and homophobia?

I usually like you but please, for your sake just shut the **** up when it comes to gay rights lol.

In this case it was the Mozilla CEO who seemed to have been unable to shut the **** up and let people be by supporting prop 8.

Can't two people continue to like each other AND have different views on specific issues, as long as neither parties holds some extreme views on any given issue that would render him a broken human being? For **** sake themajormayor is, to my limited knowledge of him, a pro-Israel Jew and we get along pretty well, far better than I get along with some users whom I disagree with on trivial issues in comparison to the existential antagonism the two of us possibly share. Besides that, why exactly should I shut the **** up when it comes to gay rights? What are "gay rights" anyway? Gays should be given the privilege of being regular citizens. They're entitled to their sexuality which should not be taken into account in public life. They are to get married and to possibly take part in any legally recognized social institution. Beyond that society owes them nothing. So why all the fuss the LGBT movement is making? You have LGBT studies departments, interest groups, professors and people dedicating their entire lives to the "cause of LGBT people" lol. I may not be fully knowledgeable on the workings of western societies, but can't the government and its public institutions take care of that in the blink of an eye? I'm failing to express my exact point here, but what I'm trying to say is why has homosexuality been made such a high profile case in the first place? Could it be boredom? Or a desire for keeping the public occupied with something? I personally don't know.

With that said, I am unable to conceive the alleged extremism and irrationality of my views. I think I said it at least once before that if I were an American citizen right now and were asked to vote on legalizing gay marriage, I would choose not to vote altogether. On the one hand, I am not too fond of homosexuality that I do not deny nor should I, and on the other I still don't think I have the right to shape the American society or to give or take away rights of any variety. So I ask you rather friendly, what is so outlandish and absurd about my views on gay rights that should force me to shut the **** up when it comes to that social issue? I may not "approve" of homosexuality, but if you swiftly survey society in your head you will realize that there exists an almost infinite number of lawfully and possibly benignly conceived practices that you are not too fond of for one reason or the other. You almost certainly won't attempt to fundamentally alter or abolish them but you will still disapprove of them and you may occasionally voice that dissent. In that regard, we're all on the same boat so it is not of anybody's interest to establish any kind of despotic status quo.

As long as I feel motivated enough to post anything related to homosexuality I will continue to do so to the best of my ability. At times I may fail and at others I may succeed in both conveying my thoughts appropriately and bringing something of substance to the table. It would be rather unfortunate if some people chose to "abolish" me and shun me from the realm of rationality because of it.

You honestly think that your views aren't extreme? Wasn't that long ago you were arguing that gays shouldn't be allowed in public. You are yet to make a single rational argument, everything you've said is based on either lies or false assumptions.

You complain that people are trying to silence you, yet what you're trying to do go way beyond trying to silence people. You are a hypocrite.

I believe I made it clear that I was not proposing such a thing as infallible and wholly truthful and right. I made a proposition based on a certain rationale and the whole thing just did not fly well with you. I failed to persuade you so I stepped back and asked you to carry on, business as usual. At the same time you haven't convinced me either so we ended up evening out. And I don't recall lying to be honest with you. Lying about what exactly? Is this now blatant and unfounded slander? I may assumed wrongly which isn't really an issue considering how I never claimed to have acquired the absolute truth on the matter, but I don't know where the lies part is coming from.

I'm not complaining that people are trying to silence me simply because it would be meaningless, given how you don't have the kind of authority to silence me in the first place.

"Open up your mind and agree with everything I say!" -The motto of the Liberal American.

Calling someone a *** for being homosexual is undeniably wrong, having a value system that does not include giving homosexuality the credibility of marriage is not. It is simply a point of view.

Perhaps you liberals should focus more on the content of your arguments and less on attempts to discredit everyone who disagrees on the issues as a bigot.

"Open up your mind and agree with everything I say!" -The motto of the Liberal American.

Calling someone a *** for being homosexual is undeniably wrong, having a value system that does not include giving homosexuality the credibility of marriage is not. It is simply a point of view.

Perhaps you liberals should focus more on the content of your arguments and less on attempts to discredit everyone who disagrees on the issues as a bigot.

Lies such as allowing kids near gays will turn them gay.

You seem unable to understand what a theory or a hypothesis is.

Actually I do. A theory is something that has been tested, it's pretty much as close to a fact as you can get. A hypothesis is a proposed explanation that is yet to be tested. There is no evidence to suggest your hypothesis is correct.

Like I said in the other thread, don't pretend that science is on your side.

@GazaAli:

It influences empathy towards sexuality, which isn't a bad thing. Realizing that homosexuality exists at a young age will not harm them.

Anyways, sexuality develops quite early. I remember being five and playing doctor with the girl next door, but had no interest in playing it with dudes.