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[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]
[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]
If you believe the vote tallies.
wis3boi
What else is there? Are the tallies being contested still? The last three seem to be Democrat strongholds anyway. I'm not sure about Colorado and Michigan. But, Florida was the surprise to me. I always thought of Florida as a Republican stronghold.
Aliens.
The illegal ones? Nah. I think they want to stay.
Not going to happen, but I wonder what Georgia's new name would be if their secession was successful.-Toshy-Would stay the same. If Eurasian Georgia gets mad, what are they gonna do about it? [spoiler] Get their ass kicked [/spoiler]
[QUOTE="wis3boi"]
[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]
What else is there? Are the tallies being contested still? The last three seem to be Democrat strongholds anyway. I'm not sure about Colorado and Michigan. But, Florida was the surprise to me. I always thought of Florida as a Republican stronghold.
jun_aka_pekto
Aliens.
The illegal ones? Nah. I think they want to stay.
it was hartsick, you know the kind I meant :P
Let Dumbf*ckistan secede. Then maybe the US can finally join the rest of the developed world in the 21st century.
If you actually buy into this as a legit attempt, it says more about you then it does about them.Let Dumbf*ckistan secede. Then maybe the US can finally join the rest of the developed world in the 21st century.
bigfoot2045
they should let one of them do it to make up for puerto rico so the flag doesnt have to changelloveLampGet rid of Rhode island. Nobody knows its there anyway.
The warped view on Obama is actually quite hilarious, these people are straight out morons. He has been a center-right president who has extended the Bush Tax cuts, extended the wars longer than he said he would and he's caved to the Republicans so many times that it is hard to count. Just imagine if there was an actual black democratic president who was on the left of the political spectrum, these people would go crazy.
I personally blame misinformation and fox news for part of the reason why these retards want to "secede" but hey, if they want to create there own country with religious laws and a 100% unregulated pro-corporations are people society than I say let them, because they wont last long. They all come off as religious freaks to me who use the same talking points *insert strong southern accent* "Obama is a socialist communist atheist Muslim and this isn't America anymore" And how they can be convinced that people making over 1 million dollars should pay less in taxes than themselves is just amazing. They cant even explain WHY Obama is a socialist.
But then again, they wont ever get the majority of votes to secede anyways, and even if they did I doubt the U.S would let them. There is a part of me that thinks if Obama wasn't black he wouldn't get the hate he does from these people.
I, for one, support a new civil war. Been far too long since we let those idiots down South breed. l4dak47Absolutely a scum of a post....
Absolutely a scum of a post....[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="l4dak47"]I, for one, support a new civil war. Been far too long since we let those idiots down South breed. tenaka2
I'd say it's more in the 'Harsh but fair' catagory :P
Just using his words for those that spew hate. Wouldn't want to have double standards now would we?[QUOTE="tenaka2"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Absolutely a scum of a post....LJS9502_basic
I'd say it's more in the 'Harsh but fair' catagory :P
Just using his words for those that spew hate. Wouldn't want to have double standards now would we?Why not? Everyone is guilty of double standards.
Just using his words for those that spew hate. Wouldn't want to have double standards now would we?[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]
I'd say it's more in the 'Harsh but fair' catagory :P
tenaka2
Why not? Everyone is guilty of double standards.
Seems a generalization....[QUOTE="tenaka2"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Just using his words for those that spew hate. Wouldn't want to have double standards now would we?LJS9502_basic
Why not? Everyone is guilty of double standards.
Seems a generalization....A generalisation? Na not really, only in as much as the truth that everyone lies.
Seems a generalization....[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]
Why not? Everyone is guilty of double standards.
tenaka2
A generalisation? Na not really, only in as much as the truth that everyone lies.
Does everyone lie? Seems an unsubstantiated opinion to me.....[QUOTE="tenaka2"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Seems a generalization....LJS9502_basic
A generalisation? Na not really, only in as much as the truth that everyone lies.
Does everyone lie? Seems an unsubstantiated opinion to me.....Apparently http://gizmodo.com/5913730/scientific-proof-that-everyone-lies
Scientific Proof That Everyone Lies
Many of us like to think that we're honest, upstanding individuals and that it's a minority of society that actually lowers itself to lying and cheating. But researchers are finding that, actually, we're not as virtuous as we thinkand we all lie a little to make things swing in our favor.
I'd love to see how these states would survive without any federal support whatsoever.NetherscourgeThey wouldn't make it a week.
[QUOTE="Neoklondiak"]
[QUOTE="Netherscourge"]I'd love to see how these states would survive without any federal support whatsoever.Zlurodirom
The federal goverment is funded in part by taxpayers in those states. It's not a magical entity that blesses people with stuff that came out of no where. The question you should be asking is how the federal goverment would survive without those states.
While this could be true, also think about how some states benefit from other state's taxes. I don't have any updated numbers, but I don't think they have changed to much in the last 7 years: http://taxfoundation.org/article/federal-taxes-paid-vs-federal-spending-received-state-1981-2005
I don't get it. The majority of states in that link pay less in federal taxes than the federal budget they receive, how is that possible? Where's the money coming from? I thought the richest states paid for the others but it doesn't seem to even out.
Of all those state, I only see Texas likely doing well as its own country. Mostly because of it's economic clout and substantial population, along with a strong ability to probably form it's own military (isn't a pretty good portion of the US military from the South and Texas in particular?).
God, it's a bunch of crap. Not one is thinking about the implications this holds nor the consequences and all because they simply because they didn't get their way. It pisses me off that my home state, humid Louisiana, is involved in the political storm of nonsense. I'm not even that patriotic but I can't stand this.
If this were to happen, which I'm 100% sure it won't, I'm leaving this naive newfound "nation" for my actual country.
It could potentially be good if maybe one or two states left just so that the federal government realizes that they cannot indefinately attack civil liberties and no one is going to care in a meaningful way. That said, I doubt the petitions will amount to anything, but it could actually cause some peopel pause if they did.
And NASA has a facility in Texas.Of all those state, I only see Texas likely doing well as its own country. Mostly because of it's economic clout and substantial population, along with a strong ability to probably form it's own military (isn't a pretty good portion of the US military from the South and Texas in particular?).
GIJames248
The federal government clearly has too much power right now. What bad things would happen if states seceded peacefully? I don't think this is such a bad idea, especially if the newly independent states were still willing to cooperate/interact with the states that didn't secede.
nunovlopes"]
While this could be true, also think about how some states benefit from other state's taxes. I don't have any updated numbers, but I don't think they have changed to much in the last 7 years: http://taxfoundation.org/article/federal-taxes-paid-vs-federal-spending-received-state-1981-2005
Zlurodirom
I don't get it. The majority of states in that link pay less in federal taxes than the federal budget they receive, how is that possible? Where's the money coming from? I thought the richest states paid for the others but it doesn't seem to even out.
From my amateur perspective this is part of the "redistribution of wealth", states who can't afford to raise taxes (and thus have deficits) are supplemented by other states. I don't know how this works entirely so correct me if I'm wrong, but if the numbers don't add up, I would guess we borrow money to help the states stay afloat, and add the borrowed money to the deficit.
Out with the old, in with Puerto Rico.
soulless4now
Gee. What happened? I thought the Puerto Ricans were happy to remain a Commonwealth. I would love to visit that island someday.
[QUOTE="soulless4now"]
Out with the old, in with Puerto Rico.
jun_aka_pekto
Gee. What happened? I thought the Puerto Ricans were happy to remain a Commonwealth. I would love to visit that island someday.
They passed a non-binding referendum to join the Union last week. This doesn't mean, however, that PR will become the 51st state necessarily, but it's a step in that direction. They still have to formally apply for admission into the Union and the U.S. Congress has to vote to allow them to enter.
More then anything we are a country that is divided. Scary timesdave123321It happens with great frequency, it's nothing new. It's just a bunch of crybabies having a fit because they think they always have to get their way.
The warped view on Obama is actually quite hilarious, these people are straight out morons. He has been a center-right president who has extended the Bush Tax cuts, extended the wars longer than he said he would and he's caved to the Republicans so many times that it is hard to count. Just imagine if there was an actual black democratic president who was on the left of the political spectrum, these people would go crazy.I personally blame misinformation and fox news for part of the reason why these retards want to "secede" but hey, if they want to create there own country with religious laws and a 100% unregulated pro-corporations are people society than I say let them, because they wont last long. They all come off as religious freaks to me who use the same talking points *insert strong southern accent* "Obama is a socialist communist atheist Muslim and this isn't America anymore" And how they can be convinced that people making over 1 million dollars should pay less in taxes than themselves is just amazing. They cant even explain WHY Obama is a socialist.
But then again, they wont ever get the majority of votes to secede anyways, and even if they did I doubt the U.S would let them. There is a part of me that thinks if Obama wasn't black he wouldn't get the hate he does from these people.LLYNCES
I agree. They're just pathetic. Why not just move out of this country if they hate it & hate Obama so much? Then those states would be much better without them.
[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]
[QUOTE="soulless4now"]
Out with the old, in with Puerto Rico.
worlock77
Gee. What happened? I thought the Puerto Ricans were happy to remain a Commonwealth. I would love to visit that island someday.
They passed a non-binding referendum to join the Union last week. This doesn't mean, however, that PR will become the 51st state necessarily, but it's a step in that direction. They still have to formally apply for admission into the Union and the U.S. Congress has to vote to allow them to enter.
Man, if I was a congressman I would honestly be torn on whether to let them join just because they would throw off the flag's symmetry so much.
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