More than a dozen states want to secede from the U.S

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#1 Posted by LegitGamer3212 (1616 posts) -

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/12/secession-petition-white-house_n_2116620.html?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl1|sec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D233624

"Residents in more than a dozen states across the country have filed secession petitions to the Obama administration's "We the People" program, which is featured on the White House website."

"...Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new Government..."

What's your opinion about this? will they successfully secede and separate from the U.S or is it just non sense?

This is what the lone star state Texas, said.

"The US continues to suffer economic difficulties stemming from the federal government's neglect to reform domestic and foreign spending. The citizens of the US suffer from blatant abuses of their rights such as the NDAA, the TSA, etc. Given that the state of Texas maintains a balanced budget and is the 15th largest economy in the world, it is practically feasible for Texas to withdraw from the union, and to do so would protect it's citizens' standard of living and re-secure their rights and liberties in accordance with the original ideas and beliefs of our founding fathers which are no longer being reflected by the federal government."

#2 Posted by Necrifer (10629 posts) -

They may try.

But they shall fail.

#3 Posted by DeadMan1290 (15502 posts) -

I doubt it may happen. At least any time soon.....

#4 Posted by jimkabrhel (15422 posts) -

It happens all the time, especially by butthurt citizens who hate the opposition. The US government is required to respond, but they would never allow secession again.

#5 Posted by chessmaster1989 (29501 posts) -
Not really sure why these states would want to secede, they'd be pretty mediocre countries if isolated from the US.
#6 Posted by Barbariser (6731 posts) -

Ehh, a modern day American Civil War wouldn't be as interesting as the last one.

#7 Posted by Toxic-Seahorse (4153 posts) -
Your title is wrong. States don't want to secede, stupid people in said states want to secede. Not until the majority of people in the state want to secede can you say that the entire state wants to secede.
#8 Posted by Neoklondiak (394 posts) -

Not really sure why these states would want to secede, they'd be pretty mediocre countries if isolated from the US.chessmaster1989

I'm not sure if secession = isolation.

#9 Posted by dercoo (12555 posts) -

Yeah, this has the same likelihood of happening as Mayan Dooms day.

#10 Posted by Blue-Sky (10334 posts) -

I think it's about time Obama honors that website.

#11 Posted by BatCrazedJoker (1978 posts) -
This could end badly.
#12 Posted by THE_DRUGGIE (24964 posts) -

Your title is wrong. States don't want to secede, stupid people in said states want to secede. Not until the majority of people in the state want to secede can you say that the entire state wants to secede.Toxic-Seahorse

I think it takes about 5 signatures to secede from the US.

#13 Posted by Netherscourge (16328 posts) -
If they hate the USA, they are more than welcome to move to Canada or Mexico.
#14 Posted by CycleOfViolence (3314 posts) -

Your title is wrong. States don't want to secede, stupid people in said states want to secede. Not until the majority of people in the state want to secede can you say that the entire state wants to secede.Toxic-Seahorse

#15 Posted by leviathan91 (7763 posts) -

American Civil War II!

Well I can understand Colordo. I mean, they just want to smoke pot so fvck the feds. :P

#16 Posted by LegitGamer3212 (1616 posts) -

Your title is wrong. States don't want to secede, stupid people in said states want to secede. Not until the majority of people in the state want to secede can you say that the entire state wants to secede.Toxic-Seahorse

According to the the program "We the people", a majority of people do want to secede.

#17 Posted by jim_shorts (7320 posts) -
Your title is wrong. States don't want to secede, stupid people in said states want to secede. Not until the majority of people in the state want to secede can you say that the entire state wants to secede.Toxic-Seahorse
The sensationalized title + huffington post link combo has gone on for too long.
#18 Posted by THE_DRUGGIE (24964 posts) -

[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"]Your title is wrong. States don't want to secede, stupid people in said states want to secede. Not until the majority of people in the state want to secede can you say that the entire state wants to secede.LegitGamer3212

According to the the program "We the people", a majority of people do want to secede.

1,400 is a majority vote in california because the rest of the people are fake plastic actors.

#19 Posted by wis3boi (31582 posts) -

- its a petition by people, not the actual states

- most of them on the list are from the deep south. Nothing of value would really be lost except disney world

#20 Posted by Netherscourge (16328 posts) -
I'd love to see how these states would survive without any federal support whatsoever.
#21 Posted by Gen007 (10955 posts) -

utter nonsense and its just people being butt hurt quite frankly. I mean they dont like they way things are now? yeah pull out from the US and see how much better things get for them.

#22 Posted by Neoklondiak (394 posts) -

I'd love to see how these states would survive without any federal support whatsoever.Netherscourge

The federal goverment is funded in part by taxpayers in those states. It's not a magical entity that blesses people with stuff that came out of no where. The question you should be asking is how the federal goverment would survive without those states.

#23 Posted by narlymech (943 posts) -

Finally Texas will be free , free to fulfill it's destiny .......of becoming the death star........mauhahaha

#24 Posted by GamerForca (7095 posts) -
Topic title is misleading. The state governments have nothing to do with this, it's just some random rednecks on the internet.
#25 Posted by Laihendi (5834 posts) -

If they hate the USA, they are more than welcome to move to Canada or Mexico.Netherscourge
Yeah, if they don't like America then they can giiit out.

I'd love to see how these states would survive without any federal support whatsoever.Netherscourge
Federal support comes from tax revenues. Tax revenues come from taxpayers. As long as people live in those states, there will be a source of money for state funding, though I hope that any state going to the trouble of seceding would actually incorporate a voluntary taxation system. If they're going to establish a new government, they might as well do it right.

#26 Posted by GamerForca (7095 posts) -

According to the the program "We the people", a majority of people do want to secede.

LegitGamer3212

"The "We the People" program allows anyone 13 or older to create or sign an online petition"

#27 Posted by Zlurodirom (743 posts) -

[QUOTE="Netherscourge"]I'd love to see how these states would survive without any federal support whatsoever.Neoklondiak

The federal goverment is funded in part by taxpayers in those states. It's not a magical entity that blesses people with stuff that came out of no where. The question you should be asking is how the federal goverment would survive without those states.

While this could be true, also think about how some states benefit from other state's taxes. I don't have any updated numbers, but I don't think they have changed to much in the last 7 years: http://taxfoundation.org/article/federal-taxes-paid-vs-federal-spending-received-state-1981-2005

#28 Posted by Wilfred_Owen (20895 posts) -

[QUOTE="LegitGamer3212"]

According to the the program "We the people", a majority of people do want to secede.

GamerForca

"The "We the People" program allows anyone 13 or older to create or sign an online petition"

Sounds like this board is the place to be then.
#29 Posted by Netherscourge (16328 posts) -

[QUOTE="Netherscourge"]If they hate the USA, they are more than welcome to move to Canada or Mexico.Laihendi

Yeah, if they don't like America then they can giiit out.

I'd love to see how these states would survive without any federal support whatsoever.Netherscourge
Federal support comes from tax revenues. Tax revenues come from taxpayers. As long as people live in those states, there will be a source of money for state funding, though I hope that any state going to the trouble of seceding would actually incorporate a voluntary taxation system. If they're going to establish a new government, they might as well do it right.

How is Texas gonna man their borders, close off off illegal immigrants and fight Mexican Drug Cartels without the FBI, US Border Patrol and CIA? BTW - if this means the end of the Dallas Cowboys in the NFL, I support it 100%
#30 Posted by mattisgod01 (3476 posts) -

Democracy, If the guy you vote for doesn't win secede.

#31 Posted by Laihendi (5834 posts) -

[QUOTE="Neoklondiak"]

[QUOTE="Netherscourge"]I'd love to see how these states would survive without any federal support whatsoever.Zlurodirom

The federal goverment is funded in part by taxpayers in those states. It's not a magical entity that blesses people with stuff that came out of no where. The question you should be asking is how the federal goverment would survive without those states.

While this could be true, also think about how some states benefit from other state's taxes. I don't have any updated numbers, but I don't think they have changed to much in the last 7 years: http://taxfoundation.org/article/federal-taxes-paid-vs-federal-spending-received-state-1981-2005

Stopping wealth distribution between states by the federal government would be a good thing, regardless of which states are better/worse off.
#32 Posted by d_parker (1722 posts) -

If they hate the USA, they are more than welcome to move to Canada or Mexico.Netherscourge

We don't want them in Canada. Maybe China will take them.

#33 Posted by Laihendi (5834 posts) -

How is Texas gonna man their borders, close off off illegal immigrants and fight Mexican Drug Cartels without the FBI, US Border Patrol and CIA?Netherscourge
Open borders and end the drug war.

#34 Posted by Saturos3091 (14938 posts) -

[QUOTE="LegitGamer3212"]

According to the the program "We the people", a majority of people do want to secede.

GamerForca

"The "We the People" program allows anyone 13 or older to create or sign an online petition"

Sums up the entire "secession movement." :P
#35 Posted by NEWMAHAY (3760 posts) -
Its not the state its some residents in each states. Its not going to happen lol
#36 Posted by Zlurodirom (743 posts) -

[QUOTE="Zlurodirom"]

[QUOTE="Neoklondiak"]

The federal goverment is funded in part by taxpayers in those states. It's not a magical entity that blesses people with stuff that came out of no where. The question you should be asking is how the federal goverment would survive without those states.

Laihendi

While this could be true, also think about how some states benefit from other state's taxes. I don't have any updated numbers, but I don't think they have changed to much in the last 7 years: http://taxfoundation.org/article/federal-taxes-paid-vs-federal-spending-received-state-1981-2005

Stopping wealth distribution between states by the federal government would be a good thing, regardless of which states are better/worse off.

Depends on what your definition of wealth distribution is. Safety nets are not a bad idea as far as I'm concerned.

Also it's funny that those states who benefit the most from "wealth distribution" are classic red states who seem to be against it, as far as I know.

#37 Posted by jun_aka_pekto (16674 posts) -

I don't see how these states can choose to secede when the DNC won them during the election:

Colorado

Florida

Michigan

New Jersey

New york

Oregon

The people there who wish to secede will have to move out then.

#38 Posted by HoolaHoopMan (7826 posts) -
The South shall rise again!
#39 Posted by hartsickdiscipl (14787 posts) -

I don't see how these states can choose to secede when the DNC won them during the election:

Colorado

Florida

Michigan

New Jersey

New york

Oregon

The people there who wish to secede will have to move out then.

jun_aka_pekto

If you believe the vote tallies.

#40 Posted by chrisrooR (9027 posts) -
What a bunch of whiny, sore losers.
#41 Posted by Zlurodirom (743 posts) -

I don't see how these states can choose to secede when the DNC won them during the election:

Colorado

Florida

Michigan

New Jersey

New york

Oregon

jun_aka_pekto

Because as others have said, it is based on individuals who have signed petitions. >25,000 people do not represent states of millions.

#42 Posted by jun_aka_pekto (16674 posts) -

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

I don't see how these states can choose to secede when the DNC won them during the election:

Colorado

Florida

Michigan

New Jersey

New York

Oregon

The people there who wish to secede will have to move out then.

hartsickdiscipl

If you believe the vote tallies.

What else is there? Are the tallies being contested still? The last three seem to be Democrat strongholds anyway. I'm not sure about Colorado and Michigan. But, Florida was the surprise to me. I always thought of Florida as a Republican stronghold.

#43 Posted by wis3boi (31582 posts) -

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

I don't see how these states can choose to secede when the DNC won them during the election:

Colorado

Florida

Michigan

New Jersey

New York

Oregon

The people there who wish to secede will have to move out then.

jun_aka_pekto

If you believe the vote tallies.

What else is there? Are the tallies being contested still? The last three seem to be Democrat strongholds anyway. I'm not sure about Colorado and Michigan. But, Florida was the surprise to me. I always thought of Florida as a Republican stronghold.

Aliens.

#44 Posted by Wasdie (50245 posts) -

You mean deranged people in 12 states want to secede.

#45 Posted by HoolaHoopMan (7826 posts) -

You mean deranged people in 12 states want to secede.

Wasdie
All of them should unite. Send them to an underwater city of sorts.
#46 Posted by sonicare (53529 posts) -

It would be a bad idea for any state to secede.

#47 Posted by Laihendi (5834 posts) -

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="Zlurodirom"]

While this could be true, also think about how some states benefit from other state's taxes. I don't have any updated numbers, but I don't think they have changed to much in the last 7 years: http://taxfoundation.org/article/federal-taxes-paid-vs-federal-spending-received-state-1981-2005

Zlurodirom

Stopping wealth distribution between states by the federal government would be a good thing, regardless of which states are better/worse off.

Depends on what your definition of wealth distribution is. Safety nets are not a bad idea as far as I'm concerned.

Also it's funny that those states who benefit the most from "wealth distribution" are classic red states who seem to be against it, as far as I know.

Safety nets are a great idea, and nothing should stop people from buying insurance for themselves so they have one. That's not really relevant to the issue of coercive wealth redistribution though.
#48 Posted by SilentFireX (1951 posts) -
Everyone is blowing the secession petition out of proportion, lol. It's got just over 50,000 signatures, many of which are from people outside of Texas. That's about the population of a small city.
#49 Posted by Zlurodirom (743 posts) -

[QUOTE="Zlurodirom"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] Stopping wealth distribution between states by the federal government would be a good thing, regardless of which states are better/worse off.Laihendi

Depends on what your definition of wealth distribution is. Safety nets are not a bad idea as far as I'm concerned.

Also it's funny that those states who benefit the most from "wealth distribution" are classic red states who seem to be against it, as far as I know.

Safety nets are a great idea, and nothing should stop people from buying insurance for themselves so they have one. That's not really relevant to the issue of coercive wealth redistribution though.

Which is why I said it depends on someone's definition of wealth distribution. I would consider social safety nets wealth distribution, but have no problem with that. While others may not, or don't like these practices. We cant have a proper debate unless we define the specific terms (which may have multiple interpretations) we are using.

#50 Posted by guynamedbilly (12967 posts) -
Yep, there's crazy people all over. In other news, residents across every state occasionally wipe poo on themselves.