MH17: Ukraine Accuses Rebels Of Destroying Evidence.

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#1 Edited by Master_Live (14194 posts) -
#2 Posted by LJS9502_basic (150355 posts) -

Is Malaysia not allowed an airline?

#3 Posted by Master_Live (14194 posts) -

Is Malaysia not allowed an airline?

Sure they are. I think you read that wrong.

#4 Posted by hippiesanta (9809 posts) -

I always feel glad that I left that airline.

#5 Posted by zpluffy (251 posts) -

Them Russians men...

#6 Posted by thehig1 (1401 posts) -

This is terrible, surely they must have tried radio contact when the plane was entering restricted airspace.

Or did they just shoot it down ask questions later sort of thing.

Either way this should not have happened

#7 Edited by Flubbbs (2972 posts) -

i smell false flag.. probally going to try to blame it on Russia... seems kinda dumb to fly a commercial jet liner over a war zone though.. tough year for Malaysia Airlines

#8 Posted by Jacanuk (4224 posts) -
#9 Posted by Aljosa23 (24750 posts) -

@Flubbbs said:

i smell false flag.. probally going to try to blame it on Russia... seems kinda dumb to fly a commercial jet liner over a war zone though.. tough year for Malaysia Airlines

Russian separatists have already taken credit for it thinking it was a Ukrainian jet.

#10 Posted by Flubbbs (2972 posts) -

@Aljosa23 said:

@Flubbbs said:

i smell false flag.. probally going to try to blame it on Russia... seems kinda dumb to fly a commercial jet liner over a war zone though.. tough year for Malaysia Airlines

Russian separatists have already taken credit for it thinking it was a Ukrainian jet.

where have you seen that at?

#11 Posted by Jacanuk (4224 posts) -

@Aljosa23 said:

@Flubbbs said:

i smell false flag.. probally going to try to blame it on Russia... seems kinda dumb to fly a commercial jet liner over a war zone though.. tough year for Malaysia Airlines

Russian separatists have already taken credit for it thinking it was a Ukrainian jet.

Link or it never happened.

#12 Posted by Aljosa23 (24750 posts) -

@Flubbbs said:

@Aljosa23 said:

@Flubbbs said:

i smell false flag.. probally going to try to blame it on Russia... seems kinda dumb to fly a commercial jet liner over a war zone though.. tough year for Malaysia Airlines

Russian separatists have already taken credit for it thinking it was a Ukrainian jet.

where have you seen that at?

https://twitter.com/rjamesjones/status/489801002862669824

CNN confirmed it on their channel a few minutes ago, too.

Dude on the BBC ticker is saying they don't have the weaponry capable though. So, seems like there is a bit of confusion right now.

17:57: A spokesman for pro-Russian separatists in the Donetsk region told Russia's Rossiya TV that they were not capable of bringing down a commercial airliner flying at 10,000 metres.
17:57: "The portable air defence systems which we have, they work at a maximum of three to four thousand metres. Therefore, it is possible to say virtually before the start of the investigation that the Ukrainian armed forces destroyed this," separatist spokesman Sergey Kavtaradze says.

#13 Edited by Aljosa23 (24750 posts) -

Whoops, by Russian Separatists I mean the pro-Russian Ukrainian separatists.

#14 Posted by JML897 (33120 posts) -

So the dumbass brags about shooting down the plane thinking it's Ukranian, finds out he made a stupid mistake, and now he's backtracking and saying "what we couldn't have done that even if we wanted"

Right?

#15 Edited by lamprey263 (23190 posts) -

Looks like it's leaning toward the Russian armed Ukraine (ethnic Russian) rebels. If they didn't have missiles of that size or range though I think that'd lean closer to direct Russian involvement. Anyhow, I think the earlier shooting down of a Ukraine cargo plane needs to be taken into the consideration as to who has what capabilities and who is doing the shooting.

#16 Posted by Jacanuk (4224 posts) -

@Aljosa23 said:

@Flubbbs said:

@Aljosa23 said:

@Flubbbs said:

i smell false flag.. probally going to try to blame it on Russia... seems kinda dumb to fly a commercial jet liner over a war zone though.. tough year for Malaysia Airlines

Russian separatists have already taken credit for it thinking it was a Ukrainian jet.

where have you seen that at?

https://twitter.com/rjamesjones/status/489801002862669824

CNN confirmed it on their channel a few minutes ago, too.

Dude on the BBC ticker is saying they don't have the weaponry capable though. So, seems like there is a bit of confusion right now.

17:57: A spokesman for pro-Russian separatists in the Donetsk region told Russia's Rossiya TV that they were not capable of bringing down a commercial airliner flying at 10,000 metres.

17:57: "The portable air defence systems which we have, they work at a maximum of three to four thousand metres. Therefore, it is possible to say virtually before the start of the investigation that the Ukrainian armed forces destroyed this," separatist spokesman Sergey Kavtaradze says.

you cannot link to your own or some random dudes twitter and use that as a confirmation.

Before a credible source confirms it like BBC its bad to start rumours.

#17 Posted by dave123321 (33787 posts) -

Aljosa being all cnney

#18 Edited by Aljosa23 (24750 posts) -

@Jacanuk: lol I just told you CNN confirmed it. Afor the Twitter link, did you even read it? Because it seems like you haven't. And just last month the separatists were bragging about acquiring a Buk missile system (which the plane was shot down with) when they took over a Ukrainian air base. So either it was shot by Russians or the pro-Russian separatists. From BBC:

"18:36: The route taken by flight MH17 was a well-flown route between Europe and Asia, a pilot tells BBC transport correspondent Richard Westcott. He said that any troops should have known the path was full of civilian aircraft."

Simon Shuster @shustry
Spoke to Ukraine separatist leader Tsarev. Says they don't have the weapons to take down #MH17. Hung up when asked about their BUK missiles
https://twitter.com/shustry/status/489817136408178688

No but obviously it was shot in a joint operation by the CIA and BP to try and control all of Europe's energy now that Russia won't be supplying them. /sarcasm

#19 Edited by LJS9502_basic (150355 posts) -

@Jacanuk said:

@Aljosa23 said:

@Flubbbs said:

@Aljosa23 said:

@Flubbbs said:

i smell false flag.. probally going to try to blame it on Russia... seems kinda dumb to fly a commercial jet liner over a war zone though.. tough year for Malaysia Airlines

Russian separatists have already taken credit for it thinking it was a Ukrainian jet.

where have you seen that at?

https://twitter.com/rjamesjones/status/489801002862669824

CNN confirmed it on their channel a few minutes ago, too.

Dude on the BBC ticker is saying they don't have the weaponry capable though. So, seems like there is a bit of confusion right now.

17:57: A spokesman for pro-Russian separatists in the Donetsk region told Russia's Rossiya TV that they were not capable of bringing down a commercial airliner flying at 10,000 metres.

17:57: "The portable air defence systems which we have, they work at a maximum of three to four thousand metres. Therefore, it is possible to say virtually before the start of the investigation that the Ukrainian armed forces destroyed this," separatist spokesman Sergey Kavtaradze says.

you cannot link to your own or some random dudes twitter and use that as a confirmation.

Before a credible source confirms it like BBC its bad to start rumours.

According to Reuters....a Russian Igor Stelkov says his rebels did it.

#20 Posted by dave123321 (33787 posts) -

Why were they flying over such a bad area

#21 Posted by Masculus (2830 posts) -

Shit just got surreal.

#22 Posted by KittyBangBang (18 posts) -

As a Malaysian myself, this news really heartbreaking. RIP

let's start a world war 3

#23 Posted by BossPerson (9444 posts) -

Why were they flying over such a bad area

apparently its a common corridor for many planes

#24 Posted by BossPerson (9444 posts) -

Why were they flying over such a bad area

apparently its a common corridor for many planes

#25 Edited by wis3boi (31118 posts) -

It was hit by one of these

#26 Edited by Curlyfrii87 (14927 posts) -

Heartbreaking

No doubt this is going to make a bad situation, much worse.

#27 Edited by thegerg (14859 posts) -

Why were they flying over such a bad area

Likely because it was in-between their place of departure and destination.

#28 Edited by BossPerson (9444 posts) -

@thegerg said:

@dave123321 said:

Why were they flying over such a bad area

Likely because it was in-between their place of departure and destination.

har har har

#29 Posted by BossPerson (9444 posts) -

Heartbreaking

No doubt this is going to make a bad situation, much worse.

it'll probably do the opposite actually, and force the US and Europe to increase sanctions. It may cause Russia to (at the most) abandon the russian operations in the region or (at the least) cause russia to force the separatists to stop being out of control.

#30 Posted by Jacanuk (4224 posts) -

@Aljosa23 said:

@Jacanuk: lol I just told you CNN confirmed it. Afor the Twitter link, did you even read it? Because it seems like you haven't. And just last month the separatists were bragging about acquiring a Buk missile system (which the plane was shot down with) when they took over a Ukrainian air base. So either it was shot by Russians or the pro-Russian separatists. From BBC:

"18:36: The route taken by flight MH17 was a well-flown route between Europe and Asia, a pilot tells BBC transport correspondent Richard Westcott. He said that any troops should have known the path was full of civilian aircraft."

Simon Shuster @shustry

Spoke to Ukraine separatist leader Tsarev. Says they don't have the weapons to take down #MH17. Hung up when asked about their BUK missiles

https://twitter.com/shustry/status/489817136408178688

No but obviously it was shot in a joint operation by the CIA and BP to try and control all of Europe's energy now that Russia won't be supplying them. /sarcasm

CNN hasn't confirmed anything at all, they are just using the same nonsense you are, twitter and "rumours"

Right and i spoke to Obama who said that Murica together with Israel shot it down because the head of iluminati was onboard.

Its disturbing that people run around spreading undocumented rumours.

#31 Posted by AutoPilotOn (8220 posts) -

It's amazing how completely opposite some of the stories coming out now are.

#32 Posted by Netret0120 (2036 posts) -

If the world lasts until 2060 without world war 3 i will be shocked.

WW3 will be the end of mankind. Nuclear bombs and laser guns.

#33 Posted by Jacanuk (4224 posts) -

It's amazing how completely opposite some of the stories coming out now are.

Yep, its what happens when even news media are considering twitter a reliable source and no longer care about journalistic integrity but just get stories out, because you can always apologise or change the story later.

Its kinda sad to see.

#34 Posted by speedfreak48t5p (6966 posts) -

If the world lasts until 2060 without world war 3 i will be shocked.

WW3 will be the end of mankind. Nuclear bombs and laser guns.

So, Fallout 3 then?

#35 Posted by LJS9502_basic (150355 posts) -

@Jacanuk said:

@AutoPilotOn said:

It's amazing how completely opposite some of the stories coming out now are.

Yep, its what happens when even news media are considering twitter a reliable source and no longer care about journalistic integrity but just get stories out, because you can always apologise or change the story later.

Its kinda sad to see.

LOL....another thread...another apology.

#36 Posted by airshocker (29042 posts) -

Every single news source I'm listening to is confirming this. No mention of twitter or anything like that.

#37 Posted by dave123321 (33787 posts) -

@thegerg: I know what they were doing.

#38 Edited by dave123321 (33787 posts) -

@BossPerson: I wonder if that was a wise thing.

*the common corridor

#39 Posted by airshocker (29042 posts) -

The news is being confirmed by the US: That a SAM has taken out the jet. No word on which side did it, though.

#40 Posted by sonicare (53451 posts) -

Maybe mistaken identity. I'd like to think that nobody would intentionally shoot down a civilian airliner for kicks.

#41 Posted by TheMadGamer (8547 posts) -

I agree it's most likely a case of mistaken identity by the separatists, they must of thought it was a Ukrainian military plane. Also why are planes going through that area in the first place? Near suicidal. As well it's apparent now that the Russians are giving the separatists some advanced weaponry and their not hesitant in using it. It's going to be very interesting to see what's the US's response to this will be.

#42 Posted by yokofox33 (29373 posts) -

Crazy. This is not good.

#43 Posted by SUD123456 (4417 posts) -

I agree it's most likely a case of mistaken identity by the separatists, they must of thought it was a Ukrainian military plane. Also why are planes going through that area in the first place? Near suicidal. As well it's apparent now that the Russians are giving the separatists some advanced weaponry and their not hesitant in using it. It's going to be very interesting to see what's the US's response to this will be.

I'd like to see a squadron of B2 bombers take out all the Russian SAM sites along that part of the border with Ukraine along with the Divisional or equivalent HQ of the Russian forces in that area.

The Ukrainian President could then say that it is the fault of the Russians for having their forces there and that the Russians are responsible for what happens on Russian territory. I believe that would send Putin the right message.

#44 Posted by HoolaHoopMan (7745 posts) -

Probably won't find out who did for some time if at all. My bet would be separatists thinking it was a Ukrainian government plane. If I'm not mistaken they took down 2 Ukrainian planes earlier this month.

#45 Edited by Emil_Fontz (208 posts) -

@Netret0120 said:

If the world lasts until 2060 without world war 3 i will be shocked.

WW3 will be the end of mankind. Nuclear bombs and laser guns.

It's a good thing that I'm purely Homo Sapien, which makes me immune to radiation. Homo Sapiens that have DNA from other Human species, namely Neanderthals, lack this immunity.

#46 Posted by Smashbrossive50 (2882 posts) -

Well,I don't know if there be someone among my people to sustain a life out of Ukraine's filthy hands,sources believed that the Ukrainian rebels found and tapped the blackbox. Prior to the shot by a SAM, the recorder said that the plane will divert its course to Russia,damn it,Poroshenko. A plane innocently and fully authorized to divert why is it shot down?! We need to create a petition for Ukraine to pay €1b to every casualties

#47 Posted by indzman (17252 posts) -

malaysian airlines is cursed , i'm never ever getting on a malaysian airplane EVER.

#49 Posted by gamerguru100 (10502 posts) -

If the world lasts until 2060 without world war 3 i will be shocked.

WW3 will be the end of mankind. Nuclear bombs and laser guns.

Why 2060?

And I'm sure nukes alone will get the job done.

#50 Edited by sukraj (22161 posts) -

this is why i avoid going on a plane.