The Birmingham bomb plotters convicted today had the means, will and know-how to carry out mass murder in what detectives say could have been the biggest terror attack on Britain "in a generation".
The three principal drivers behind the plot were men who initially sounded an unlikely trio to carry out such an atrocity.
Irfan Naseer, 31, was an overweight, unemployed pharmacy graduate - with the nicknames Chubbs and Big Irfan - who according to his own mother was "a mummy's boy".
The father of Irfan Khalid, 27, said a medical condition would have made it unlikely he could have taken any practical part in carrying out the attack, while Ashik Ali, 29, was registered partially sighted.
There were calamitous moments as they worked on their murderous plot. They tried to raise money through bogus charity collections but ended up losing thousands playing foreign currency markets and had to apply for loans.
And a note setting out the requirements for their homemade explosives was supposed to have been burned in a pan, but the process produced so much smoke it was never properly destroyed.
Senior investigating officer Detective Inspector Adam Gough said the men were "the real deal" and, if successful in detonating their devices, would have perpetrated "another 9/11 or another 7/7 in the UK".
It was Naseer's training in chemistry - and later training at a Pakistani terror camp - which gave him the know-how to draw up a blueprint of a viable improvised explosive device.
Never did like Birmingham,overcrowded and filled with Muslims,honestly never felt like a minority before.
NOTE:For those who don't know Birmingham is the 2nd largest city in the UK and has one of the largest Islamic communities