Lightsabers were more Legit in the Original Star Wars Trilogy

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#1 thisisdoom
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When there was a lightsaber duel in the, "Original Star Wars Trilogy", it looked like Luke was actually parrying instead of dancing. For some reason, the new trilogy didn't have any weight to the lightsabers. Like noone swung harder than the other person, it was like the lightsabers just touched lightly. Especially in Revenge of the Sith, you couldn't tell who was winning the duel because the parrying was so choreographed, you know what I'm saying?
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#2 Pirate700
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Everything was more legit in the originals. They're better movies.

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What's with the Star Wars threads today?
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#4 carlandcarl
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yes sir I do, but I still thought the ones in the newer trilogy were still pretty badass, I would guess that this lightsaber technology doesn't quite allow the "swords" to touch and stay there so easily anymore, good point though

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#5 snowyfleury
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it's because in the old ones they actually fought with green swords and used color replacement to add in the glow effects, and in the new ones they just fought with the hilts and used camera tracking.
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#6 immortality20
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There's nothing legit about the new Star Wars tilogy.

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#7 DigitalExile
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You guys need to stop being so elitist over this old vs new.

Consider that in the original trilogy Vadar's skills were not as practiced, and Luke was very knew to the Jedi practice. They didn't have as much control or skill when using the force as the Jedi in the new movies, who can control their bodies more. If you want to argue it further you can say that Vadar and Luke were using sheer force/emotion rather than skill.

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#8 yagr_zero
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I remember hearing from Lucas in one of the documentaries (I think from the 2004 Star Wars DVD set) saying that the sabers were originally supposed to be "heavy" or unwieldy, which resulted in the slower fights and more medieval knight style of fighting. This changed as the series went on until the Jedi and Sith were more like blade dancers.
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I have to disagree. Lightsabers have no weight except for the hilt. The power of one person can just as easily be countered by the finesse and agility of another person since the Lightsaber doesn't have an edge like a normal blade. That's why you see so many different lightsaber styles in the movies and books.

I'm a Star Wars fanboy.

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#10 Serraph105
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Everything was more legit in the originals. They're better movies.

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What Pirate700 said
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#11 Serraph105
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What's with the Star Wars threads today?aaronmullan
its an online forum. people on them tend to be a tad bit nerdy.
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#12 weezyfb
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what does "more legit" mean? its a fictional weapon..
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#14 carlandcarl
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[QUOTE="aaronmullan"]What's with the Star Wars threads today?Serraph105
its an online forum. people on them tend to be a tad bit nerdy.

Yeah but its true, havent heard of star wars in a while and now I saw about 5 threads on it in 5 minutes

But I guess one thread got others to think about star wars and left questions to be answered

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#16 rastaman219
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You guys need to stop being so elitist over this old vs new.

Consider that in the original trilogy Vadar's skills were not as practiced, and Luke was very knew to the Jedi practice. They didn't have as much control or skill when using the force as the Jedi in the new movies, who can control their bodies more. If you want to argue it further you can say that Vadar and Luke were using sheer force/emotion rather than skill.

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Vaders skills were more practised in the original, due to them being set in a later time frame. Plus, Vader had more control over the force than Luke (arguably due to his knowledge of it). But yes, you could say emotion was a key factor. But not in the Empire Strikes back as much at RotJ due to him not knowing Vader was his father.
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#17 thisisdoom
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still, the harder you swing, the more weight should be behind the swing, and in the new movies it seemed everyone parry'd flawlessly. In Empire Strikes Back, Luke's lightsaber was even knocked out of his hand, just by the laws of gravity. Not the force
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#18 xTheExploited
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Whats with all the Star Wars threads lately? I enjoyed the fights in the new ones because they were more ENTERTAINING. It doesn't matter how realisitic it looks cos the actors are actually struggling, its about how entertaining it is. The fight in the A New Hope is pretty boring because the lightsabers were too damn heavy.
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What's with the Star Wars threads today?aaronmullan
beat me to it.
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#20 Lostboy1224
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I appreciate the old ones for their brute force, and the new ones have lots of interesting techniques, but sometimes it seemed a bit too planned out. Love the originals and appreciate some of the new ones.
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#21 deactivated-5c37d3adcd094
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The newer duels are better choreographed, but the original trilogy had so many underlying emotions and were so much more meaningful than any duel in any of the prequels. Much better to watch, in my opinion.

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#22 RAMRODtheMASTER
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Everything was more legit in the originals. They're better movies.

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Pretty much this.
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#23 leviathan91
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Although I perferred the original trilogy, I liked what they did to the lightsabers in the new trilogy. It was at a faster pace, and there were new lightsaber designs unlike the original trilogy like the double bladed and the bent lightsabers. The combat was tense, especially the duels between Yoda and Dooku/Palpatine and Anakin and Kenobi. I thought that was the one redeeming thing about the new trilogy other than the clone troopers and the special effects.

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I have to disagree. Lightsabers have no weight except for the hilt. The power of one person can just as easily be countered by the finesse and agility of another person since the Lightsaber doesn't have an edge like a normal blade.

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I agree. The weight of the lightsabers is next to nothing and they basically go through anything regardless of how hard you swing. You woudln't put brute force behind your swings because it would be too easy to dodge that and counterattack with a simple swipe. I always figured that light saber fighting should be more along the lines of fencing. Whoever get's the first hit is going to win.

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[QUOTE="airshocker"]

I have to disagree. Lightsabers have no weight except for the hilt. The power of one person can just as easily be countered by the finesse and agility of another person since the Lightsaber doesn't have an edge like a normal blade.

trodeback

I agree. The weight of the lightsabers is next to nothing and they basically go through anything regardless of how hard you swing. You woudln't put brute force behind your swings because it would be too easy to dodge that and counterattack with a simple swipe. I always figured that light saber fighting should be more along the lines of fencing. Whoever get's the first hit is going to win.

Wow never thought about it like that.

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When there was a lightsaber duel in the, "Original Star Wars Trilogy", it looked like Luke was actually parrying instead of dancing. For some reason, the new trilogy didn't have any weight to the lightsabers. Like noone swung harder than the other person, it was like the lightsabers just touched lightly. Especially in Revenge of the Sith, you couldn't tell who was winning the duel because the parrying was so choreographed, you know what I'm saying?thisisdoom

Weight? How much is a Light Saber supposed to weigh? It's made out of LIGHT (which, last I heard, is weightless).

You think that the light saber battles look more legit because they look like real people swinging heavy objects. And that's the precise reason why I say that the Light Saber battles in the new trilogy mostly blew the saber battles in the old trilogy out of the water. These are freaking Jedi warriors. It's not supposed to look like two humans swinging sticks. Where's the mystique and awe in that? People well-studied in The Force are supposed to be the most feared people inthe galaxy. They are supposed to be SUPERhuman, and it a Jedi warrior swinging a light saber shouldn't look like Mark Hamil swinging a prop stick.

Say what you will about the new trilogy, but everything (well, ALMOST everything) involving light sabers is MILES beyond any of the light saber battles in the original trilogy.

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The originals are always better.
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#28 MrGeezer
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[QUOTE="DigitalExile"]

You guys need to stop being so elitist over this old vs new.

Consider that in the original trilogy Vadar's skills were not as practiced, and Luke was very knew to the Jedi practice. They didn't have as much control or skill when using the force as the Jedi in the new movies, who can control their bodies more. If you want to argue it further you can say that Vadar and Luke were using sheer force/emotion rather than skill.

rastaman219

Vaders skills were more practised in the original, due to them being set in a later time frame. Plus, Vader had more control over the force than Luke (arguably due to his knowledge of it). But yes, you could say emotion was a key factor. But not in the Empire Strikes back as much at RotJ due to him not knowing Vader was his father.

By that point, Vader was also largely cybernetic. Meaning that he wasn't as in tune with The Force.

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#29 MrGeezer
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still, the harder you swing, the more weight should be behind the swing, and in the new movies it seemed everyone parry'd flawlessly. thisisdoom

Because they're freaking Jedi Knights, that's why.

And there shouldn't be ANY weight behind the swing, since the beam is made out of LIGHT, and light is weightless.

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#30 Inger1
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What's with the Star Wars threads today?aaronmullan

TCs are Canadians maybe... there was a Star Wars movie marathon on Space(equivalent to SyFy in the US) on tv the other day

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#31 WushuFighter
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If you think about realisticly(even though light sabers are not real lol), the "blade" does not have any weight to it because it's light energy.

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[QUOTE="thisisdoom"]still, the harder you swing, the more weight should be behind the swing, and in the new movies it seemed everyone parry'd flawlessly. MrGeezer

Because they're freaking Jedi Knights, that's why.

And there shouldn't be ANY weight behind the swing, since the beam is made out of LIGHT, and light is weightless.

The blades wouldn't be made out of light or else they would me neverending. You could just cut people in half from a couple miles away. They would have to be made out of a magnetically bbound plasma.
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[QUOTE="thisisdoom"]When there was a lightsaber duel in the, "Original Star Wars Trilogy", it looked like Luke was actually parrying instead of dancing. For some reason, the new trilogy didn't have any weight to the lightsabers. Like noone swung harder than the other person, it was like the lightsabers just touched lightly. Especially in Revenge of the Sith, you couldn't tell who was winning the duel because the parrying was so choreographed, you know what I'm saying?MrGeezer

Weight? How much is a Light Saber supposed to weigh? It's made out of LIGHT (which, last I heard, is weightless).

You think that the light saber battles look more legit because they look like real people swinging heavy objects. And that's the precise reason why I say that the Light Saber battles in the new trilogy mostly blew the saber battles in the old trilogy out of the water. These are freaking Jedi warriors. It's not supposed to look like two humans swinging sticks. Where's the mystique and awe in that? People well-studied in The Force are supposed to be the most feared people inthe galaxy. They are supposed to be SUPERhuman, and it a Jedi warrior swinging a light saber shouldn't look like Mark Hamil swinging a prop stick.

Say what you will about the new trilogy, but everything (well, ALMOST everything) involving light sabers is MILES beyond any of the light saber battles in the original trilogy.

Why is it better? Because they twirl their lightsabers around pointlessly? Because every single move is parried perfectly so the fights go on without a single pause? The new ones looks fake to watch, that's the problem. They look like two people rehearsing a choreographed dance. Look at Anakin versus Obi-Wan in Episode 3, it's the most ridiculous looking thing you could imagine. It doesn't even look like they're trying to hurt each other most of the time, it looks like their showing off their skills with a baton for a crowd. It certainly doesn't look like a duel. The one duel in the new trilogy that looked real was Episode 1's two on one duel. That felt like an actual fight, not a rehearsed dance.