Liberal Democracy is not compatible with Islam

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"Speaking last year at the launch of a book by Zafar Bangash, a Muslim activist in Toronto, Kambiz Sheikh-Hassani, Irans now-expelled chargé daffaires, told the audience: You live in Canada. Liberal democracy is not compatible with our way of life."

Why is ok for them to say it but not us ? We are racist when we state the obvious but they acknowledge it. Why do you want to move to the west knowing your way of life isn't compatible and attempt to change our way of life. This will never happen. Ever.

It is not racist or bigotted for me to say so either. The true racists & bigots are those who refuse to question their ideaology & belief system in response to different views & react with violence.

:| Since when does the west adhere to one way of life? Christians' way of life is not compatible with liberalism either. If you want to go to the west you have to abide by the law. Other than that you can have whatever way of life you want.

:| Since when does the west adhere to one way of life? Christians' way of life is not compatible with liberalism either. If you want to go to the west you have to abide by the law. Other than that you can have whatever way of life you want.

GazaAli

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]

:| Since when does the west adhere to one way of life? Christians' way of life is not compatible with liberalism either. If you want to go to the west you have to abide by the law. Other than that you can have whatever way of life you want.

TopTierHustler

Timothy McVeigh did:|

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]

:| Since when does the west adhere to one way of life? Christians' way of life is not compatible with liberalism either. If you want to go to the west you have to abide by the law. Other than that you can have whatever way of life you want.

TopTierHustler

[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]

:| Since when does the west adhere to one way of life? Christians' way of life is not compatible with liberalism either. If you want to go to the west you have to abide by the law. Other than that you can have whatever way of life you want.

UnknownSniper65

Timothy McVeigh did:|

You're right. This is why we shouldn't have liberalism and democracies.

Read this article

If you don't feel like reading the entire thing here's one interesting exerpt.

"Speaking last year at the launch of a book by Zafar Bangash, a Muslim activist in Toronto, Kambiz Sheikh-Hassani, Irans now-expelled chargé daffaires, told the audience: You live in Canada. Liberal democracy is not compatible with our way of life."

Why is ok for them to say it but not us ? We are racist when we state the obvious but they acknowledge it. Why do you want to move to the west knowing your way of life isn't compatible and attempt to change our way of life. This will never happen. Ever.

It is not racist or bigotted for me to say so either. The true racists & bigots are those who refuse to question their ideaology & belief system in response to different views & react with violence.

Skarwolf

It's racist when you take the words of one man and generalize them to a whole culture in order to insult that culture. We are talking about one man here, who is supportive of and comes from a theocratic state. In his view Islam is not compatible with liberal democracy, just like in the view of Fred Phelps Christianity is not compatible with true democracy. That doesn't change the fact that his statement is demonstrably false, as there are several examples of Islamic majority countries that have liberalized successfully.

[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]

:| Since when does the west adhere to one way of life? Christians' way of life is not compatible with liberalism either. If you want to go to the west you have to abide by the law. Other than that you can have whatever way of life you want.

UnknownSniper65

Timothy McVeigh did:|

McVeigh did what he did in the name of white supremacy.

[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]Christians don't blow up buildings.....

TopTierHustler

Timothy McVeigh did:|

McVeigh did what he did in the name of white supremacy.

[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]Christians don't blow up buildings.....

TopTierHustler

Timothy McVeigh did:|

McVeigh did what he did in the name of white supremacy.

Yeah, and how long did it take us to get to that point?

I don't think anyone's saying that there aren't certain things within Islamic society that need to change, but going around calling all Muslims socially inferior is not going to help affect that change.

what loads of rubbish, if a muslim is used to liberal democracy then the person would be with the former or oppose it, simple as that.

I read an article! I am educated enough to jump to conclusions!

[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]

[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

Timothy McVeigh did:|

Mike-uk

McVeigh did what he did in the name of white supremacy.

You're wrong in that McViegh did that in opposition to the government not out of religious belief. Fail on that regard.

Secondly, I'd like to you detail to me at least 5 or more examples of Christian terrorism since the year 2000. Not grasping at straws to point out things that happened 20 years or more ago in relation to the constant and daily, hourly, by the minute ass hattery by the average muslim radical.

Read this, then come back to me.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]

:| Since when does the west adhere to one way of life? Christians' way of life is not compatible with liberalism either. If you want to go to the west you have to abide by the law. Other than that you can have whatever way of life you want.

TopTierHustler

Christians already had their heyday... A period of human history you may have heard of? We know it as the Dark Ages...

Perhaps you have heard of their various other exploits? The Inquisition, the Crusades, etc...

All during this time there was intellectual advancement in the Middle East and lack of war (large scale war) given the entire Islamic world was under the rule of a caliphate.

Islamic Extremism is a NEW THING... That is a direct result of Western interference in the Islamic world.

- Defeat of The Ottoman Empire who allied with the central powers during WW1.

- The carving up of the Middle East by the British and French afterward (why there are straight line borders in Middle Eastern Nations, British/French laid a ruler on a map and said you get that side we get this side...)

- Creation of British/French Hashimite Kingdoms in Iraq, Syria, Jordan, etc...

Many of the problems in the Middle East today are direct result of European and later American exploitation of the region...

Lol thats my university.

As for the topic: it depends. If you take Islam with the whole package (economics, religion, law) then of course it isnt. But neither is Judaism or Christianity or that matter. But if you only take the theology aspects and some of the morality, then it is just like modern christianity and judaism.

[QUOTE="Skarwolf"]

Read this article

If you don't feel like reading the entire thing here's one interesting exerpt.

"Speaking last year at the launch of a book by Zafar Bangash, a Muslim activist in Toronto, Kambiz Sheikh-Hassani, Irans now-expelled chargé daffaires, told the audience: You live in Canada. Liberal democracy is not compatible with our way of life."

Why is ok for them to say it but not us ? We are racist when we state the obvious but they acknowledge it. Why do you want to move to the west knowing your way of life isn't compatible and attempt to change our way of life. This will never happen. Ever.

It is not racist or bigotted for me to say so either. The true racists & bigots are those who refuse to question their ideaology & belief system in response to different views & react with violence.

theone86

It's racist when you take the words of one man and generalize them to a whole culture in order to insult that culture. We are talking about one man here, who is supportive of and comes from a theocratic state. In his view Islam is not compatible with liberal democracy, just like in the view of Fred Phelps Christianity is not compatible with true democracy. That doesn't change the fact that his statement is demonstrably false, as there are several examples of Islamic majority countries that have liberalized successfully.

They only "liberalized" at the behest of their western governments who they'd like to do business with. They just keep the craziness behind doors where they can't see but its still there. Case in point, anytime the "muslim rising" occurs in said country look what happens afterwards. A return to radical asshattery.

Read this, then come back to me.

themajormayor

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

Read this, then come back to me.

BossPerson

[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]

:| Since when does the west adhere to one way of life? Christians' way of life is not compatible with liberalism either. If you want to go to the west you have to abide by the law. Other than that you can have whatever way of life you want.

C2N2

Christians already had their heyday... A period of human history you may have heard of? We know it as the Dark Ages...

Perhaps you have heard of their various other exploits? The Inquisition, the Crusades, etc...

All during this time there was intellectual advancement in the Middle East and lack of war (large scale war) given the entire Islamic world was under the rule of a caliphate.

Islamic Extremism is a NEW THING... That is a direct result of Western interference in the Islamic world.

- Defeat of The Ottoman Empire who allied with the central powers during WW1.

- The carving up of the Middle East by the British and French afterward (why there are straight line borders in Middle Eastern Nations, British/French laid a ruler on a map and said you get that side we get this side...)

- Creation of British/French Hashimite Kingdoms in Iraq, Syria, Jordan, etc...

Many of the problems in the Middle East today are direct result of European and later American exploitation of the region...

[QUOTE="C2N2"]

[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]Christians don't blow up buildings.....

TopTierHustler

Christians already had their heyday... A period of human history you may have heard of? We know it as the Dark Ages...

Perhaps you have heard of their various other exploits? The Inquisition, the Crusades, etc...

All during this time there was intellectual advancement in the Middle East and lack of war (large scale war) given the entire Islamic world was under the rule of a caliphate.

Islamic Extremism is a NEW THING... That is a direct result of Western interference in the Islamic world.

- Defeat of The Ottoman Empire who allied with the central powers during WW1.

- The carving up of the Middle East by the British and French afterward (why there are straight line borders in Middle Eastern Nations, British/French laid a ruler on a map and said you get that side we get this side...)

- Creation of British/French Hashimite Kingdoms in Iraq, Syria, Jordan, etc...

Many of the problems in the Middle East today are direct result of European and later American exploitation of the region...

I wasn't aware that I implied we did?

Simply pointing out that FAR more people have been killed because of Christianity than Islam in the history of our world. And that most of the violence Islam is responsible for towards the West today is a direct response to our own actions in the region.

[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]

[QUOTE="C2N2"]

Christians already had their heyday... A period of human history you may have heard of? We know it as the Dark Ages...

Perhaps you have heard of their various other exploits? The Inquisition, the Crusades, etc...

All during this time there was intellectual advancement in the Middle East and lack of war (large scale war) given the entire Islamic world was under the rule of a caliphate.

Islamic Extremism is a NEW THING... That is a direct result of Western interference in the Islamic world.

- Defeat of The Ottoman Empire who allied with the central powers during WW1.

- The carving up of the Middle East by the British and French afterward (why there are straight line borders in Middle Eastern Nations, British/French laid a ruler on a map and said you get that side we get this side...)

- Creation of British/French Hashimite Kingdoms in Iraq, Syria, Jordan, etc...

Many of the problems in the Middle East today are direct result of European and later American exploitation of the region...

C2N2

I wasn't aware that I implied we did?

Simply pointing out that FAR more people have been killed because of Christianity than Islam in the history of our world. And that most of the violence Islam is responsible for towards the West today is a direct response to our own actions in the region.

I think most of the violence we see in Islam is just a result of....Islam.

Like how little girls are afraid to go to school in Afghanistan because the ultra religious threaten to throw acid in their faces.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="Skarwolf"]

Read this article

If you don't feel like reading the entire thing here's one interesting exerpt.

"Speaking last year at the launch of a book by Zafar Bangash, a Muslim activist in Toronto, Kambiz Sheikh-Hassani, Irans now-expelled chargé daffaires, told the audience: You live in Canada. Liberal democracy is not compatible with our way of life."

Why is ok for them to say it but not us ? We are racist when we state the obvious but they acknowledge it. Why do you want to move to the west knowing your way of life isn't compatible and attempt to change our way of life. This will never happen. Ever.

It is not racist or bigotted for me to say so either. The true racists & bigots are those who refuse to question their ideaology & belief system in response to different views & react with violence.

Skarwolf

It's racist when you take the words of one man and generalize them to a whole culture in order to insult that culture. We are talking about one man here, who is supportive of and comes from a theocratic state. In his view Islam is not compatible with liberal democracy, just like in the view of Fred Phelps Christianity is not compatible with true democracy. That doesn't change the fact that his statement is demonstrably false, as there are several examples of Islamic majority countries that have liberalized successfully.

They only "liberalized" at the behest of their western governments who they'd like to do business with. They just keep the craziness behind doors where they can't see but its still there. Case in point, anytime the "muslim rising" occurs in said country look what happens afterwards. A return to radical asshattery.

That's not true. Morocco is a case in point of an Islamic country liberalizing due to internal pressures and gradual political change. Muslim society is not incompatible with democracy, change has just happened within Islamic society at a different pace.

[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]

[QUOTE="C2N2"]

Christians already had their heyday... A period of human history you may have heard of? We know it as the Dark Ages...

Perhaps you have heard of their various other exploits? The Inquisition, the Crusades, etc...

All during this time there was intellectual advancement in the Middle East and lack of war (large scale war) given the entire Islamic world was under the rule of a caliphate.

Islamic Extremism is a NEW THING... That is a direct result of Western interference in the Islamic world.

- Defeat of The Ottoman Empire who allied with the central powers during WW1.

- The carving up of the Middle East by the British and French afterward (why there are straight line borders in Middle Eastern Nations, British/French laid a ruler on a map and said you get that side we get this side...)

- Creation of British/French Hashimite Kingdoms in Iraq, Syria, Jordan, etc...

Many of the problems in the Middle East today are direct result of European and later American exploitation of the region...

C2N2

I wasn't aware that I implied we did?

Simply pointing out that FAR more people have been killed because of Christianity than Islam in the history of our world. And that most of the violence Islam is responsible for towards the West today is a direct response to our own actions in the region.

[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]Christians don't blow up buildings.....

TopTierHustler

Timothy McVeigh did:|

Eric Rudolph did.

[QUOTE="C2N2"]

[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]I wasn't aware we still lived in the 1100s.....

cslayer211

I wasn't aware that I implied we did?

Simply pointing out that FAR more people have been killed because of Christianity than Islam in the history of our world. And that most of the violence Islam is responsible for towards the West today is a direct response to our own actions in the region.

- Carving up Middle Eastern countries into borders with our interests in mind, rather than with ethnic/tribal boundaries in mind.

- Persuing an aggressive foreign policy in that region for a century in persuit of oil interests.

- Overthrowing democratically elected governments to prop up tyrannical, but western business frendly, puppet regiems.

- Parking our tanks in their holy city.

- Just f*cking around with and in their countries for ages. That tends to p*ss people off.

Saying they hate us because they hate our freedoms is just ignorance.

[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]Christians don't blow up buildings.....

TopTierHustler

Timothy McVeigh did:|

McVeigh did what he did in the name of white supremacy.

[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]Christians don't blow up buildings.....

TopTierHustler

Timothy McVeigh did:|

McVeigh did what he did in the name of white supremacy.

Ok wrong.. We just recently had that whole Youth camp incidient in sweden where a Christian fanatic killed over a hundred people.. What you speak of is EXTREMISM.. There are Muslims and Christians living peacefully within the United States for instance.. That abide by and support democracy..

[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]

[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

Timothy McVeigh did:|

sSubZerOo

McVeigh did what he did in the name of white supremacy.

Ok wrong.. We just recently had that whole Youth camp incidient in sweden where a Christian fanatic killed over a hundred people.. What you speak of is EXTREMISM.. There are Muslims and Christians living peacefully within the United States for instance.. That abide by and support democracy..

LOL informed as always

[QUOTE="C2N2"]

[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]I wasn't aware we still lived in the 1100s.....

cslayer211

I wasn't aware that I implied we did?

Simply pointing out that FAR more people have been killed because of Christianity than Islam in the history of our world. And that most of the violence Islam is responsible for towards the West today is a direct response to our own actions in the region.

[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]

[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

Timothy McVeigh did:|

sSubZerOo

McVeigh did what he did in the name of white supremacy.

Ok wrong.. We just recently had that whole Youth camp incidient in sweden where a Christian fanatic killed over a hundred people.. What you speak of is EXTREMISM.. There are Muslims and Christians living peacefully within the United States for instance.. That abide by and support democracy..

Norway dude, Norway.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]maybe I should rephrase: Christians don't blow up buildings in the name of their religion, and acts of violence are few to none, while I hear about Muslims doing something awful every day.

McVeigh did what he did in the name of white supremacy.

worlock77

Ok wrong.. We just recently had that whole Youth camp incidient in sweden where a Christian fanatic killed over a hundred people.. What you speak of is EXTREMISM.. There are Muslims and Christians living peacefully within the United States for instance.. That abide by and support democracy..

Norway dude, Norway.

Apologies, but my point still stands there are extremists across the board when it comes to religions.. And to blanket one is ridiculous especially when we have counter examples for it..

[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]

[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

Timothy McVeigh did:|

Mike-uk

McVeigh did what he did in the name of white supremacy.

Extreamism of any kind is not compatibale with Democracy.

I met a girl from Canada that is an Arab Muslim, she id very pretty and was telling me one time how her family made her wear a head scarf when she went out (she wasn't wearing it when I met her because she stopped doing it a long time ago). And she was telling me how her family wanted her to marry someone even though she didn't want to. But she seemed very secular, she ate pork and drank alchohol and everything.

I do not know if she is still a Muslim, but she seemed to fit right in with Democracy. Muslims just need to have a reform movement, we Jews did it and it worked great for us.

[QUOTE="cslayer211"][QUOTE="C2N2"]

I wasn't aware that I implied we did?

Simply pointing out that FAR more people have been killed because of Christianity than Islam in the history of our world. And that most of the violence Islam is responsible for towards the West today is a direct response to our own actions in the region.

worlock77

- Carving up Middle Eastern countries into borders with our interests in mind, rather than with ethnic/tribal boundaries in mind.

- Persuing an aggressive foreign policy in that region for a century in persuit of oil interests.

- Overthrowing democratically elected governments to prop up tyrannical, but western business frendly, puppet regiems.

- Parking our tanks in their holy city.

- Just f*cking around with and in their countries for ages. That tends to p*ss people off.

Saying they hate us because they hate our freedoms is just ignorance.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="cslayer211"] What has the west done to make them so mad? Freedom of expression and freedom of speech?cslayer211

- Carving up Middle Eastern countries into borders with our interests in mind, rather than with ethnic/tribal boundaries in mind.

- Persuing an aggressive foreign policy in that region for a century in persuit of oil interests.

- Overthrowing democratically elected governments to prop up tyrannical, but western business frendly, puppet regiems.

- Parking our tanks in their holy city.

- Just f*cking around with and in their countries for ages. That tends to p*ss people off.

Saying they hate us because they hate our freedoms is just ignorance.

I guaren-goddamn-tee you that if we did not meddle about in the affairs of the Middle East then we would not have a single problem with terroism arising from the Middle East. Even our own government recognizes this (re: "blowback").

[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]

[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]Christians don't blow up buildings.....

Mike-uk

Timothy McVeigh did:|

McVeigh did what he did in the name of white supremacy.

There's terrorists of pretty much any ideology. I think animal rights and environmentalist ("ecoterrorists") terrorists account for the greatest number of attacks in the U.S. I think Marxist/Communist/Socialist terrorists (such as the Shining Path) are probably responsible for the most deaths.

Religion is not compatible with democracy. It's a theocracy with "god" at the top.

It's not that christianity is more peaceful, it's that western christians are far less devoted to their religion. They have become more and more secular.

It's racist when you take the words of one man and generalize them to a whole culture in order to insult that culture. We are talking about one man here, who is supportive of and comes from a theocratic state. In his view Islam is not compatible with liberal democracy, just like in the view of Fred Phelps Christianity is not compatible with true democracy. That doesn't change the fact that his statement is demonstrably false, as there are several examples of Islamic majority countries that have liberalized successfully.theone86

worlock77

No excuse for their barbarism..a lot of areas in the world has similar histories but are less violent today..And, if you study the history of the Middle East, it was largely violent before the West came..

And judging by what you're saying right now, i think it'd be safe to assume you think of Al Qaeda as freedom fighters? :roll:

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

kingkong0124

No excuse for their barbarism..a lot of areas in the world has similar histories but are less violent today..And, if you study the history of the Middle East, it was largely violent before the West came..

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

SaudiFury

No excuse for their barbarism..a lot of areas in the world has similar histories but are less violent today..And, if you study the history of the Middle East, it was largely violent before the West came..

[QUOTE="SaudiFury"][QUOTE="kingkong0124"]

No excuse for their barbarism..a lot of areas in the world has similar histories but are less violent today..And, if you study the history of the Middle East, it was largely violent before the West came..sSubZerOo