Let's talk about environmentalism

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#1 Posted by Aljosa23 (26181 posts) -

Since yesterday was World Environment Day I think it's apt that we talk about a topic I rarely see here. On OT we talk politics a lot, even with "issues" that shouldn't even be political (global warming, gay marriage, drugs etc.) so why not talk about the biggest political issue that shouldn't be political there is, the environment!

To start off here's an article from two days ago talking about some facts related to the environment.

Who is the world leader in wind power?

China, where the Global Wind Energy Councils annual report released last month counted more than 74 gigawatts of installed wind power capacity for 2012. That represents almost 27 per cent of the worlds share and is enough to bring electricity to more than 29 million homes.

(Canada, by comparison, had installed 6.2 gigawatts one gigawatt is 1,000 megawatts by the end of last year, which represents about 2 per cent of world capacity.)

Over all, wind power was generated in 79 countries and 24 of those had more than 1,000 megawatts installed.

What is the worlds human population?

More than 7 billion, according to the Population Reference Bureau in 2012, with 82 per cent living in less developed countries. China was the world leader in population last year as home to 1.35 billion people, but it was followed closely by India with 1.26 billion. (Canada, by comparison, most recently counted 35,056,064 people as of January, according to Statistics Canada.)

By 2050, India is projected to become the most populous nation in the world.

What about feeding everyone?

Agricultural production needs to be substantially increased by 60 per cent in the next four decades to meet the growing demand for food, according to the agricultural outlook for 2012-2021 published by the OECD and Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations.

The bad news: There will be a 5-per-cent increase (or 69 million hectares) in total arable land by 2050, the report notes, and 25 per cent of agricultural land is already highly degraded.

The good news: We can do better. The UN estimated that in 2011, one-third of food produced for human consumption was wasted. Thats about 1.2-to-2 billion tonnes annually, and in Canada, it amounts to about $27-billion worth of food never making it to our bellies, according to the Value Chain Management Centre in Guelph, Ont.

How many other living things are there?

Scientists have catalogued about 1.2 million species, but thats not even close to how many other organisms share Earth, according to a recent study published in the journal PLoS Biology. Researchers figure 91 per cent of those in the ocean havent been identified, while 86 per cent of species above water havent been counted. We may share the planet with around 8.7 million other types of species although the estimates vary wildly and the vast majority are animals, according to scientists.

Dont expect them all to be counted at least not in our lifetimes. Experts figure it would take 1,200 years, 303,000 taxonomists and $364-billion (U.S.) to complete the catalogue.

How many species are endangered?

According to the World Conservation Unions 2012 Red List of Threatened Species, 20,219 species are considered threatened of the 65,518 that have been assessed.

The Swiss-based organization detailed 84 species in Canada deemed threatened, which includes 35 kinds of fish, 16 varieties of birds, 11 types of mammals and five species of reptiles, among others. Among those in trouble in Canada, where considerable conservation efforts are under way, are the whooping crane, greater sage-grouse and Vancouver Island marmot.

How quickly are humans dying off?

Births are outpacing deaths, according to the Population Reference Bureau, which counted 267 births every minute last year compared with 107 deaths per minute.

Whos to blame for climate change?

Humans, according to 97 to 98 per cent of 1,372 of the worlds most active climate researchers, whose findings were reviewed by the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States in 2010.

Werent we trying to reduce greenhouse gas emissions?

Governments and industry say they are trying to curb emissions, but according to the World Meteorological Organization, the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere reached a record high in 2011.

The culprits are: carbon dioxide (now 140 per cent of the preindustrial level), methane (now 259 per cent of the preindustrial level) and nitrous oxide (now 120 per cent of the preindustrial level).

Canada, according to various government, industry and non-governmental organization sources, accounts for about 2 per cent of the worlds emissions.

Is it getting hot in here?

The global average temperature has gone up by 0.6 C during the 20th century, according to the World Meteorological Organization, which also noted that 2001 to 2010 was the warmest decade on record and on every continent since people began monitoring the mercury in 1850.

How much sea ice has melted?

Arctic sea ice spanned 7 to 9 million square kilometres when it was measured in the summer season up until the 1960s, but according to the U.S.-based National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, by the end of summer last year, it had shrunk to a record low since satellite record-keeping began, of 3.41 million square kilometres.

What is the most polluted city?

Nyala, Sudan, according to the World Banks World Development Indicators for 2013, which counted 200 micrograms per cubic metre as measured by the concentration of fine suspended particulate of fewer than 10 microns in diameter. Matter that tiny can burrow into the respiratory tract and cause serious negative health consequences.

In second and third place: Maroua, Cameroon, and Dhaka, Bangladesh.

But there is some good news: Air pollution has dropped around the world over the last 20 years to 41 micrograms per cubic metre from 78 micrograms. And in Canada, counts average 15 micrograms per cubic metre.

Who are the most prolific garbage producers?

Canadians toss more trash per capita than any other country in the developed world, according to the Conference Board of Canada, which issued its environmental report card earlier this year 777 kilograms of municipal waste per capita for 2008 (the latest statistics available), which was above the average of 578 kg per capita among 17 peer countries.

Canadians also use nearly twice the average amount of freshwater of the other countries only the United States uses more and are the largest users of energy in the developed world, the report noted.

How many cars and trucks are there?

There were 1.069 billion cars, trucks and buses in operation worldwide in 2011, according to WardsAuto, the U.S.-based data gathering house on the global auto industry.

Canada accounts for 21.3 million of those vehicles.

In its annual collection of government-reported registration and historical vehicle-population trends, WardsAuto counted more than one billion vehicles for the first time in 2010, and the number is expected to keep growing.

According to a 2011 forecast by the International Transport Forum, an OECD intergovernmental think tank, the global vehicle population could reach 2.5 billion by 2050.

How many bicycles?

In 2011, there were an estimated 938,294,671 bicycles rolling around the planet, according to Jay Townley, bike industry analyst with the U.S.-based Gluskin Townley Group. The life of a bicycle is typically 10 years as it stays in the market and is ridden, he added.

Chinas annual market consumption defined as sales by manufacturers, brands and importers to retailers for 2011 is 27.3 million bikes, according his firms estimates.

Canada, meanwhile, had annual market consumption in 2011 of 1.4 million bikes.

Some questions I'm curious about:
1. Do you consider yourself an environmentalist?
2. Do you support or oppose regulations that protect the environment from harmful business practises?
3. Do you believe in "clean coal"?
4. How do you feel about animal poachers?

#2 Posted by konvikt_17 (22378 posts) -

inb4 tl;dr

#3 Posted by Aljosa23 (26181 posts) -

inb4 tl;dr

konvikt_17

It's not even that long, lmao

#4 Posted by konvikt_17 (22378 posts) -

for most of OT it is:P

#5 Posted by whipassmt (14732 posts) -

what about environmentalism?

#6 Posted by lostrib (43966 posts) -

recycling takes too much work

#7 Posted by Jimn_tonic (913 posts) -

what about environmentalism?

whipassmt

Considering the amount of information in the OP, that has the be the stupidest post evar.

topic: I re-use as much as I can (containers, platic cups and bags, etc), and recycle as much as I can.

there is no such thing as clean coal. Some may give off less emmisions, but the amount of emissions of coal shoud be scaled, and not given the misleading title of "clean".  

#8 Posted by The_Lipscomb (2603 posts) -

No.

#9 Posted by Oleg_Huzwog (21885 posts) -

I left my car idling outside with the windows down and the A/C on full blast.  I'm doing my part to help cool the planet.

#10 Posted by konvikt_17 (22378 posts) -

we recycle:D

we have a normal trashcan, where the majority of our trash goes. but plastic bottles, glass bottles, boxes and such go into a seperate garbage can. then the city comes and picks it up. the recycling comes on fridays i believe and the trash comes on tuesdays.

then we have a seperate bin for our soda cans. once we accumulate a couple bags, i take them to this recycling place and get paid by the pound. usually end up getting 15 or so bucks.

#11 Posted by The_Lipscomb (2603 posts) -

I left my car idling outside with the windows down and the A/C on full blast.  I'm doing my part to help cool the planet.

Oleg_Huzwog
lol
#12 Posted by Aljosa23 (26181 posts) -

I left my car idling outside with the windows down and the A/C on full blast.  I'm doing my part to help cool the planet.

Oleg_Huzwog

You bastard!

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#13 Posted by Audacitron (968 posts) -

when you face up to the impact of humanity on this planet it's just staggering.  We gotta slow down.

 

Almost every other issue we preoccupy ourselves with is trivial in comparision. 

#14 Posted by --Anna-- (4498 posts) -

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

I left my car idling outside with the windows down and the A/C on full blast.  I'm doing my part to help cool the planet.

Aljosa23

You bastard!

 

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Too bad guy, some of us  just don't care !

#15 Posted by dkdk999 (6746 posts) -
If recycling was more efficient there would be private companies asking for your recyclable stuff.
#16 Posted by Storm_Marine (12214 posts) -

Well I work in the oil industry so allegedly I'm one of Lucifer's minions.

#17 Posted by comp_atkins (32166 posts) -
If recycling was more efficient there would be private companies asking for your recyclable stuff. dkdk999
there's this guy who walks around my neighborhood every friday morning picking cans out of people's recycling bins on the street.. maybe he works for them.
#18 Posted by Aljosa23 (26181 posts) -

Well I work in the oil industry so allegedly I'm one of Lucifer's minions.

Storm_Marine

Eh. Generally depends on how the oil is extracted. I'm not too knowledgable on it but I know that companies who drill in the Alberta oil sands are all pretty eco-friendly.

#19 Posted by LJS9502_basic (152917 posts) -
Maybe...
#20 Posted by --Anna-- (4498 posts) -

[QUOTE="dkdk999"]If recycling was more efficient there would be private companies asking for your recyclable stuff. comp_atkins
there's this guy who walks around my neighborhood every friday morning picking cans out of people's recycling bins on the street.. maybe he works for them.

Good for him, shows some initiative  ... I rather he gets it than the city or county!

#21 Posted by comp_atkins (32166 posts) -

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"][QUOTE="dkdk999"]If recycling was more efficient there would be private companies asking for your recyclable stuff. --Anna--

there's this guy who walks around my neighborhood every friday morning picking cans out of people's recycling bins on the street.. maybe he works for them.

Good for him, shows some initiative  ... I rather he gets it than the city or county!

i don't put my cans out there anymore, i return them for the deposits myself.
#22 Posted by whipassmt (14732 posts) -

If recycling was more efficient there would be private companies asking for your recyclable stuff. dkdk999
I was watching Larry the Cable Guy's show on the History Channel (Only in America), and a lot of the show was about this pig farmer in Minnesota who recycles restaurant leftover trash (i.e. the leftover food that restaurants throw out) to use as feed for his pigs (he decided to do that because the price of food was increasing). The restaurants actually pay him to pick up this trash too, because it's cheaper for them to pay him than it is for them to pay a garbage company.

#23 Posted by pdevil21 (799 posts) -

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

I left my car idling outside with the windows down and the A/C on full blast.  I'm doing my part to help cool the planet.

--Anna--

You bastard!

 

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Too bad guy, some of us  just don't care !

Get out of the way then.
#24 Posted by whipassmt (14732 posts) -

[QUOTE="dkdk999"]If recycling was more efficient there would be private companies asking for your recyclable stuff. comp_atkins
there's this guy who walks around my neighborhood every friday morning picking cans out of people's recycling bins on the street.. maybe he works for them.

When I was in high school the school had separate bins for soda cans and they would tell us to throw the soda cans in the recycling bins instead of the regular trash (some people threw them in the trash anyways or scraped the barcode or otherwise damaged the can so that the school wouldn't get the 5 cent deposit back for returning the cans). Then one of the brothers who worked (and lived) at the school would take a whole bunch of the cans to the grocery store to get them recycled and get the 5 cents per can.

#25 Posted by --Anna-- (4498 posts) -

[QUOTE="--Anna--"]

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]You bastard!

 

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pdevil21

Too bad guy, some of us  just don't care !

Get out of the way then.

I would respectfully  say....wake-up you're being played!  Mother Nature will take care of herself...we don't really matter in the big picture of things..we just think we matter.  Cheers an Lighten-up:roll:

#26 Posted by Wasdie (50812 posts) -

I care about the environment as much as a person should. I don't believe in foolish, economy crippling legislation to somehow save the planet in a few years. I believe in logical stuff like ditching coal/oil in favor of nuclear and green wherever economically viable.

Cars are naturally getting more efficient because the world's oil surplus is now more heavily contested than ever before so things like increasing MPGs and getting more out of alternative fuels is more economically viable than ever before. Demand is really on the rise and should continue to rise as time passes.

I know in the USA we have a very conservative policy about our environment. We are good at making sure trees are replaced and we don't ruin the land. I'm all for the nation regulating how much impact individuals can have on the environment as our land is finite.

Also, how can anybody like poachers? Deliberately hunting and wasting animals for either sport or economical gain is pointless. It's not deer or boar, where they are damaging the eco system and need to be controlled.

#27 Posted by Audacitron (968 posts) -

[QUOTE="pdevil21"][QUOTE="--Anna--"] Too bad guy, some of us  just don't care !

--Anna--

Get out of the way then.

I would respectfully  say....wake-up you're being played!  Mother Nature will take care of herself...we don't really matter in the big picture of things..we just think we matter.  Cheers an Lighten-up:roll:

lol, yes.  99% of life on earth could go extinct, and biodivirsity would still recover. 

 

... it only takes 15 - 20 million years.

 

We've seen this in the fossil record.  The difference is, this time WE ARE the mass extinction event.  Let's go right along our merry way and burn this shit up.

#28 Posted by Jazz_Fan (29516 posts) -
I'm all for environmentalism if it is done for me.
#29 Posted by pdevil21 (799 posts) -

[QUOTE="pdevil21"][QUOTE="--Anna--"] Too bad guy, some of us  just don't care !

--Anna--

Get out of the way then.

I would respectfully  say....wake-up you're being played!  Mother Nature will take care of herself...we don't really matter in the big picture of things..we just think we matter.  Cheers an Lighten-up:roll:

Did I miss the part where we found intelligent life somewhere else in the universe? As long as we are the only intelligent life we know of, I'd say we our value is extremely high. Also, all other life on Earth is actually screwed without us. This is because the sun will engulf the Earth in 5 billion years if nothing else. All life we know of is doomed unless we humans become cable of bringing it to other places.
#30 Posted by --Anna-- (4498 posts) -

[QUOTE="--Anna--"]

[QUOTE="pdevil21"] Get out of the way then.Audacitron

I would respectfully  say....wake-up you're being played!  Mother Nature will take care of herself...we don't really matter in the big picture of things..we just think we matter.  Cheers an Lighten-up:roll:

lol, yes.  99% of life on earth could go extinct, and biodivirsity would still recover. 

 

... it only takes 15 - 20 million years.

 

We've seen this in the fossil record.  The difference is, this time WE ARE the mass extinction event.  Let's go right along our merry way and burn this shit up.

Could? lol....What is time in a timeless universe.

#31 Posted by thebest31406 (3629 posts) -
1. I am 2. I support 3. Clean Coal? 4. Burn in hell.
#32 Posted by Fightingfan (38011 posts) -
I care more about my wallet - not the environment, which is why I plan to buy a Prius.
#33 Posted by charlesdarwin55 (2651 posts) -
Boycott Canada
#34 Posted by EagleEyedOne (1675 posts) -

The enviornment will listen to us. We don't need to listen to the enviornment.

#35 Posted by MrGeezer (57192 posts) -
So...while I'm all for not introducing new species into foreign environments (because "it harms the environment", or something like that), isn't that a little bit bull$hit? We're doing so much to protect the environment from "invasive species", when we happen to be the worst "invasive species" on the entire f***ing planet. Even more so since so many of the horrible effects revolve around US. yeah, they're eating OUR crops and making OUR livestock sick and scaring OUR children. But...that wouldn't even be an issue for us if we hadn't gotten there first. It's like a dude immigrating to a country and gaining citizenship, and then a mere few years later turning around and condemning immigrants as the work of the devil. On one hand I see the point, but on the other hand, f*** off with that hypocritical bull$hit.
#36 Posted by BranKetra (50202 posts) -
I care about the well-being of the earth. There is only one, after all.