Legend of Korra - Book Four

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#1  Edited By sammyjenkis898
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Final book premieres October 3rd.

TOPH!

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#2 holonic-
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Korra's pretty much done at this point. Season 3 was good, but doesn't make up for two lackluster seasons before it. Also I'm not into really looking forward to Book 4 coming October, this October I'm going to be busy watching Star Wars: Rebel which looks like a fresh start from the Clone Wars series. I'll wait for Book 4 on the complete set.

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#3  Edited By Shottayouth13-
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Hyped!

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@holonic-: You mean one lackluster season which was season 2. Season 1 was amazing and Amon is the best villain in the series so far.

That trailer looks great, can't wait.

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Aw, that's a great ending to the trailer; she was my favourite from the TLA =D

Almost dropped the show halfway through season 2, but when I got halfway through season 3 I was glad I didn't. Was sad to see the first show end, probably will be for this one as well.

It's weird that I feel sad when shows end; especially certain animes that go on for over a decade and all of a sudden end; it's like you just lost a bunch of friends you aren't going to see again =P

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@holonic- said:

Korra's pretty much done at this point. Season 3 was good, but doesn't make up for two lackluster seasons before it. Also I'm not into really looking forward to Book 4 coming October, this October I'm going to be busy watching Star Wars: Rebel which looks like a fresh start from the Clone Wars series. I'll wait for Book 4 on the complete set.

Wot. Two lacklustre seasons? S01 was the pinnacle despite multiple ,glaring issues. S03 could've beaten it if they stretched their villains better.Amon was TOO good,and the ENDING W/ BOAT? SHIVERS DOWN ME BODY!

S02 barring the Avatar Juan episodes was the worst.

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@korvus: Yea man, I know that feel. These shows are so good at character development so it's like you're with them for all the struggles and triumphs. Immersion is the sign of an excellent show.

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#8  Edited By deactivated-5ebea105efb64
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Freaking Hyped. Season 3 was the best in the whole avatar series.

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#9  Edited By sammyjenkis898
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@Gamerno6666 said:

Freaking Hyped. Season 3 was the best in the whole avatar series.

Will be surprised if they top it.

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It's... so... amazing...

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#11  Edited By Brutal_Elitegs
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Just caught up on season 2/3. Hard to see how they are going to up the ante after all that. Though it's looking like this season (based on a highly indicative and revealing 2 minute trailer!), while obviously having some sort of a threat for Team Avatar to deal with, will also be about Korra's character growth and getting out of whatever funk she seems to be in, which I'm all for since I actually really like Korra.

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#12  Edited By branketra
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The Legend of Korra is awesome. I wonder when Avatar: The Last Airbender is coming to Blu-Ray. That and all the seasons of TLoK are what I need to start a good cartoon collection.

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#13 sammyjenkis898
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Premiere is up on Nick/Amazon.

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This episode was ... interesting.

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Sets things up well. Wanted more Korra.

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#16  Edited By sammyjenkis898
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That episode title. Korra-centric episode. The picture of Aang. THAT FINALE LINE.

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#17  Edited By Brutal_Elitegs
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Best part of the episode.

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Dear Asami, I'm sorry I haven't written to you sooner, but every time I've tried I never know what to say. The past two years have been the hardest of my life. Even though I can get around fine now, I still can't go into the Avatar state. I keep having visions of Zaheer and what happened that day. Katara thinks a lot of this is in my head, so I've been meditating a lot, but sometimes I worry I'll never fully recover. Please don't tell Mako and Bolin I wrote to you and not them; I don't want to hurt their feelings, but it's easier to tell you about this stuff. I don't think they'd understand.

Usually not one to say this, but... I ship it so hard.

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#19  Edited By sammyjenkis898
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#20  Edited By deactivated-5ebea105efb64
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@sammyjenkis898: Please no.

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#21  Edited By sammyjenkis898
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#22  Edited By DaVillain  Moderator
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Huh?

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#23 Brutal_Elitegs
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@davillain- said:

Huh?

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#24  Edited By Brutal_Elitegs
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The Ember Island Players is how you do a recap episode. This was... bad.

Edit - Just read the reason why it had to be a clips episode.

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#25  Edited By sammyjenkis898
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Yeah, that was really bad. Kinda hard to fault anyone but Nick for this, though.

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#26  Edited By sammyjenkis898
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EDIT: This isn't the case. Finale will be a two-parter, airing on the 19th.

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#27  Edited By Catalli  Moderator
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@Ratchet_Fan8 said:

Avatar Juan

I lold (It's Wan)

So far I'm liking this season. I think it's the best one so far (on par with the first). I'm just wondering... Toph said she could see everything from the swamp and that's why she loved it there... Do you think she could also earthbend anywhere from the swamp...?

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#28  Edited By sammyjenkis898
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#29 Brutal_Elitegs
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^That was fucking cool.

I know this is Korra's story an' all, but I so wanted Toph to wreck Kuvira's shit.

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SPOILERS

That delivered on all fronts. The action was tight and sometimes brutal, and the final showdown was a nice contrast of settings with the one in season three. The emotional beats stuck, particularly Hiroshi's death and when the thing finally happened. I was kind of surprised at how strong of a reaction I had towards the latter (shut up.) Just an really well executed showdown.

And then the ending. That ending. Mako shows up and I'm thinking to myself "Oh, please don't do this again. Do not have them hook up." But the scene ends rather quickly. Korra is alone for a bit after Tenzin leaves. Asami shows up and you can just hear the screams from fans. I thought they'd end it with that hug, and let the Korrasami shippers have their moment. Nope. They kept going and going and going. That actually happened. God damn. Couldn't stop smiling (shut up.)

Really going to miss this series. There were some bumpy moments, no doubt, but I felt like from season three and on it hit the highs of The Last Airbender. There were a couple moments where I thought it may have surpassed it. It doesn't matter. I'm just grateful for the series.

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I thought it was a good ending for The Legend of Korra, but not for the Avatar series as a whole.

But oh well, Korrasami is cannon.

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#32  Edited By Vaasman
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Korra and Colbert ended on the same night. The hell am I supposed to watch anymore?

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#33  Edited By branketra
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@PhazonBlazer said:

But oh well, Korrasami is cannon.

Is it, now?

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I love this show and this franchise so much. As someone older than its intended audience, I have to say it is a show that truly can entertain all age groups.

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#35 Brutal_Elitegs
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Pretty underwhelming if I'm honest (the whole season, not just the finale).

I thought Korrasami was just a Tumblr thing - though I'm not entirely sure it wasn't pandering to that crowd, even down to the Mako fake out.

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#36 sammyjenkis898
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If you had disliked Kaguya, our bff friendship would be over for good.

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Both Avatar and Legend of Korra were some of my most favorite shows. There's really nothing I can say other than that I'm going to miss it.

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Korrasami. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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@Brutal_Elitegs said:

Looks like Mako and George Costanza both have something in common. They both turned woman into lesbians ;) ;) ;) ;)

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#42  Edited By sammyjenkis898
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Bryan on Korrasami:

Korrasami is canon.

You can celebrate it, embrace it, accept it, get over it, or whatever you feel the need to do, but there is no denying it. That is the official story. We received some wonderful press in the wake of the series finale at the end of last week, and just about every piece I read got it right: Korra and Asami fell in love. Were they friends? Yes, and they still are, but they also grew to have romantic feelings for each other.

Was Korrasami “endgame,” meaning, did we plan it from the start of the series? No, but nothing other than Korra’s spiritual arc was. Asami was a duplicitous spy when Mike and I first conceived her character. Then we liked her too much so we reworked the story to keep her in the dark regarding her father’s villainous activities. Varrick and Zhu Li weren’t originally planned to end up as a couple either, but that’s where we took the story/where the story took us. That’s how writing works the vast majority of the time. You give these characters life and then they tell you what they want to do.

I have bragging rights as the first Korrasami shipper (I win!). As we wrote Book 1, before the audience had ever laid eyes on Korra and Asami, it was an idea I would kick around the writers’ room. At first we didn’t give it much weight, not because we think same-sex relationships are a joke, but because we never assumed it was something we would ever get away with depicting on an animated show for a kids network in this day and age, or at least in 2010.

Makorra was only “endgame” as far as the end of Book 1. Once we got into Book 2 we knew we were going to have them break up, and we never planned on getting them back together. Sorry, friends. I like Mako too, and I am sure he will be just fine in the romance department. He grew up and learned about himself through his relationships with Asami and Korra, and he’s a better person for it, and he’ll be a better partner for whomever he ends up with.

Once Mako and Korra were through, we focused on developing Korra and Asami’s relationship. Originally, it was primarily intended to be a strong friendship. Frankly, we wanted to set most of the romance business aside for the last two seasons. Personally, at that point I didn’t want Korra to have to end up with someone at the end of series. We obviously did it inAvatar, but even that felt a bit forced to me. I’m usually rolling my eyes when that happens in virtually every action film, “Here we go again…” It was probably around that time that I came across this quote from Hayao Miyazaki:

“I’ve become skeptical of the unwritten rule that just because a boy and girl appear in the same feature, a romance must ensue. Rather, I want to portray a slightly different relationship, one where the two mutually inspire each other to live - if I’m able to, then perhaps I’ll be closer to portraying a true expression of love.”

I agree with him wholeheartedly, especially since the majority of the examples in media portray a female character that is little more than a trophy to be won by the male lead for his derring-do. So Mako and Korra break the typical pattern and end up respecting, admiring, and inspiring each other. That is a resolution I am proud of.

However, I think there needs to be a counterpart to Miyazaki’s sentiment: Just because two characters of the same sex appear in the same story, it should not preclude the possibility of a romance between them. No, not everyone is queer, but the other side of that coin is that not everyone is straight. The more Korra and Asami’s relationship progressed, the more the idea of a romance between them organically blossomed for us. However, we still operated under this notion, another “unwritten rule,” that we would not be allowed to depict that in our show. So we alluded to it throughout the second half of the series, working in the idea that their trajectory could be heading towards a romance.

But as we got close to finishing the finale, the thought struck me: How do I know we can’t openly depict that? No one ever explicitly said so. It was just another assumption based on a paradigm that marginalizes non-heterosexual people. If we want to see that paradigm evolve, we need to take a stand against it. And I didn’t want to look back in 20 years and think, “Man, we could have fought harder for that.” Mike and I talked it over and decided it was important to be unambiguous about the intended relationship.

We approached the network and while they were supportive there was a limit to how far we could go with it, as just about every article I read accurately deduced. It was originally written in the script over a year ago that Korra and Asami held hands as they walked into the spirit portal. We went back and forth on it in the storyboards, but later in the retake process I staged a revision where they turned towards each other, clasping both hands in a reverential manner, in a direct reference to Varrick and Zhu Li’s nuptial pose from a few minutes prior. We asked Jeremy Zuckerman to make the music tender and romantic, and he fulfilled the assignment with a sublime score. I think the entire last two-minute sequence with Korra and Asami turned out beautiful, and again, it is a resolution of which I am very proud. I love how their relationship arc took its time, through kindness and caring. If it seems out of the blue to you, I think a second viewing of the last two seasons would show that perhaps you were looking at it only through a hetero lens.

Was it a slam-dunk victory for queer representation? I think it falls short of that, but hopefully it is a somewhat significant inching forward. It has been encouraging how well the media and the bulk of the fans have embraced it. Sadly and unsurprisingly, there are also plenty of people who have lashed out with homophobic vitriol and nonsense. It has been my experience that by and large this kind of mindset is a result of a lack of exposure to people whose lives and struggles are different from one’s own, and due to a deficiency in empathy––the latter being a key theme in Book 4. (Despite what you might have heard, bisexual people are real!) I have held plenty of stupid notions throughout my life that were planted there in any number of ways, or even grown out of my own ignorance and flawed personality. Yet through getting to know people from all walks of life, listening to the stories of their experiences, and employing some empathy to try to imagine what it might be like to walk in their shoes, I have been able to shed many hurtful mindsets. I still have a long way to go, and I still have a lot to learn. It is a humbling process and hard work, but nothing on the scale of what anyone who has been marginalized has experienced. It is a worthwhile, lifelong endeavor to try to understand where people are coming from.

There is the inevitable reaction, “Mike and Bryan just caved in to the fans.” Well, which fans? There were plenty of Makorra shippers out there, so if we had gone back on our decision and gotten those characters back together, would that have meant we caved in to those fans instead? Either direction we went, there would inevitably be a faction that was elated and another that was devastated. Trust me, I remember Kataang vs. Zutara. But one of those directions is going to be the one that feels right to us, and Mike and I have always made both Avatar and Korra for us, first and foremost. We are lucky that so many other people around the world connect with these series as well. Tahno playing trombone––now that was us caving in to the fans!

But this particular decision wasn’t only done for us. We did it for all our queer friends, family, and colleagues. It is long over due that our media (including children’s media) stops treating non-heterosexual people as nonexistent, or as something merely to be mocked. I’m only sorry it took us so long to have this kind of representation in one of our stories.

I’ll wrap this up with some incredible words that Mike and I received in a message from a former Korra crew member. He is a deeply religious person who devotes much of his time and energy not only to his faith, but also to helping young people. He and I may have starkly different belief systems, but it is heartwarming and encouraging that on this issue we are aligned in a positive, progressive direction:

“I’ve read enough reviews to get a sense of how it affected people. One very well-written article in Vanity Fair called it subversive (in a good way, of course)… I would say a better word might be “healing.” I think your finale was healing for a lot of people who feel outside or on the fringes, or that their love and their journey is somehow less real or valuable than someone else’s… That it’s somehow less valid. I know quite a few people in that position, who have a lifetime of that on their shoulders, and in one episode of television you both relieved and validated them. That’s healing in my book.”

Love,

Bryan

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@sammyjenkis898: Thanks for sharing that; I found the whole season quite underwhelming but it's really nice to know that a lot of passion was still put into it and I agree with pretty much everything he said.

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#44  Edited By Brutal_Elitegs
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I still think it could have been executed a little better, which is understandable given that Bryan seemed unsure whether he could depict it in a kids show, and only realised he could towards the end of the show's run. But it does feel organic enough - even more so, I'd say, than Katara and Aang.

What's the point of Mako?

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#45 Meinhard1
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I remember when I started the big season 1 thread. It was pleasant to see all the fans the series had at that time.

Anyways the series is over now. I'd rank the seasons as follows: 3 > 4 > 1 > 2, with 4 and 1 being a close tie for second.

I really loved season 4, the finale included. I liked the choice to bring Korra's personal journey to the center again.

My only complaint is that the pacing was a bit off ... partially due to restricted time/resources, I'm sure.

Season 3 edges out 4 because it had a similar level of complexity, while the pacing created a stronger sense of momentum. Plus it was packed with great bending action.