Left or Right Wing?

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#1 Posted by Gaming-Planet (13870 posts) -

I'm more in between. I have both conservative and liberal view points.

#2 Posted by Shottayouth13- (6723 posts) -

LOL @ 'don't interfere with social lives' under the Right.

There isn't another set of people that's so invested in people's sexual lives as they are.

#3 Posted by Gaming-Planet (13870 posts) -

LOL @ 'don't interfere with social lives' under the Right.

There isn't another set of people that's so invested in people's sexual lives as they are.

Lol true.

#4 Posted by drekula2 (1898 posts) -

The diagram is does break down most of the basics, but keep in mind it's also an overly simplistic overview and it often makes sweeping generalizations. It's a real good simple way of putting it for people who don't know about these things, but for simplicity, you sacrifice accuracy. Some parts of the chart are dead-on whereas others are questionable. For example, I wouldn't call conservatives anti-change, but rather a group of people that prefer slower more organic change compared to liberals who generally prefer more sweeping changes quicker.

As for me, I'm somewhere in between as well.

#5 Posted by Makhaidos (1611 posts) -

LOL @ 'don't interfere with social lives' under the Right.

There isn't another set of people that's so invested in people's sexual lives as they are.

Sexual, religious, reproductive, financial, etc., etc.

Anyway, my beliefs fall most in line with the European Labour Party.

#6 Posted by xdude85 (4328 posts) -

Gotta love the "respect and fear" aspect to the conservative side.

#7 Edited by Fightingfan (38011 posts) -

@Shottayouth13- said:

LOL @ 'don't interfere with social lives' under the Right.

There isn't another set of people that's so invested in people's sexual lives as they are.

The stances of both factions in the United States changes periodically over the years. They eventually interchange over the years - Republicans in the 1700s were originally the tree hugging hippies we know today as liberals.

#8 Posted by Gaming-Planet (13870 posts) -

@xdude85 said:

Gotta love the "respect and fear" aspect to the conservative side.

It's a bit vague.

#9 Posted by foxhound_fox (87332 posts) -

I'd say neither.

#10 Posted by BranKetra (47801 posts) -

LOL @ 'don't interfere with social lives' under the Right.

There isn't another set of people that's so invested in people's sexual lives as they are.

I think that is meant to be understood within the context of partisanship considered with the utmost importance rather than an isolated aspect of the "Right." It makes sense when the emphasis on looking to the past is considered because that is intended to be preserved and not interfered with.

#11 Edited by MathMattS (4002 posts) -

I'm a liberty Republican (i.e., a Republican who leans libertarian). I think the federal government is way too big (expanded drastically by both Bush and Obama) and I don't think the GOP walks on water.

#12 Posted by destinhpark (4700 posts) -

the cabin.

#13 Posted by Barbariser (6717 posts) -

I disagree far more with conservatives around the world on almost any aspect of government policy, so I guess you can call me left wing.

#14 Posted by Randolph (10423 posts) -

I'll go with the side that doesn't enable religious fanatics to write their mad god's insane rules into our laws, so left wing.

#15 Edited by iampenguin (223 posts) -

My favourite is wish bones :P

Great image, I'm not in America and this a great way for me to learn the wing business.

#16 Posted by wis3boi (31008 posts) -

Neither. Two bowls of shit. If I was forced by gunpoint to picking one, I'd go left. Right is a special kind of stupid

#17 Edited by Jake518 (217 posts) -

I think this is far too simplistic.

#18 Posted by Jake518 (217 posts) -

@iampenguin: Glad to have you participate in this discussion. We need to hear the viewpoints from more penguins more often.

#19 Posted by Ace6301 (21388 posts) -

Left.

I don't really believe in the more idealistic notions of it though, I tend to side with it more often because quite a lot of what is supported ends up falling into it which is less a positive of the left and more a fault of the right. I'm really more left wing because the right wing is mostly comprised of either idealistic idiots more concerned with what they believe than what works or people who are solely concerned with themselves or who is giving them money.

#20 Posted by mattykovax (22693 posts) -

According to the handy dandy political calculator that float arounds the net ( I think fox printed a result from it) I am a left leaning libertarian, but I think thats even oversimplified.

#21 Posted by scoots9 (3191 posts) -

The left/right spectrum is an awful way to measure political alignment. I've taken tests purely on a left/right axis where my rather extreme fiscal conservatism and social liberalism somehow averaged out to make me a "moderate republican".

#22 Posted by Crunchy_Nuts (2749 posts) -

I am a totalitarian marxist fascist who values individual liberty and free trade.

#23 Edited by Makhaidos (1611 posts) -

@Fightingfan said:

@Shottayouth13- said:

LOL @ 'don't interfere with social lives' under the Right.

There isn't another set of people that's so invested in people's sexual lives as they are.

The stances of both factions in the United States changes periodically over the years. They eventually interchange over the years - Republicans in the 1700s were originally the tree hugging hippies we know today as liberals.

The meanings of Republican and Democrat have changed, but liberal and conservative are the same now as they were three-hundred years ago.

#24 Posted by RushKing (1744 posts) -

#25 Edited by Aljosa23 (24542 posts) -

NDP so social democrat.

I can't think of any historically "Conservative" positions that are positive.

#26 Posted by GamingTitan (505 posts) -

Fiscal conservative, social liberal~

#27 Posted by jer_1 (7451 posts) -

Libertarian! Reduce the government!

#28 Edited by nomsayin (1141 posts) -

Really cool picture, thanks for sharing.

I'm definitely on the left but I do hold some conservative beliefs.

#29 Edited by foxhound_fox (87332 posts) -

@Aljosa23 said:

NDP so social democrat.

I can't think of any historically "Conservative" positions that are positive.

Fiscal conservatism is definitely a positive position to hold. Paying for things only with the money you have, rather than creating a bureaucratic bloat of busy-work jobs, and making do with what's there, and only going into debt when absolutely necessary during emergency situations. I get to see this bloat in action in my province, and what harm it's doing to the taxpaying public (inflation increasing cost of living, making it harder for lower income families to survive, just so they can have more "social programs", while roads go unpaved, infrastructure is failing on all fronts, and even our drinking water is becoming a cesspool).

#30 Posted by Ninja-Hippo (23426 posts) -

There are detestable things about both. There's the completely unreasonable lack of humanity displayed by some on the right, contempt for the poor and the disadvantaged, the ridiculously over-simplistic notion that whatever socio-economic situation you end up in was entirely of your own choosing, the war-happy willingness to see many thousands killed for pointless justifications.

But then liberalism can be equally annoying. Victimhood, rushing to blame ourselves and excuse the actions of people who do awful things like put bombs in shopping malls. Equating people who are really pretty well off in the grand scheme of things to those in abject poverty. Ridiculous over-sensitivty and ease of offense and a happiness to have anything causing said offense stamped out, banned or censored.

That's why I've ended up occupying a nice, reasonable place right in the god damned middle. And there I shall stay.

#31 Posted by Ninja-Hippo (23426 posts) -

Fiscal conservative, social liberal~

So you like welfare and social programs but you just dont want to pay for them? :P

#32 Posted by Person0 (2944 posts) -

@Aljosa23 said:

NDP so social democrat.

I can't think of any historically "Conservative" positions that are positive.

Fiscal conservatism is definitely a positive position to hold. Paying for things only with the money you have, rather than creating a bureaucratic bloat of busy-work jobs, and making do with what's there, and only going into debt when absolutely necessary during emergency situations. I get to see this bloat in action in my province, and what harm it's doing to the taxpaying public (inflation increasing cost of living, making it harder for lower income families to survive, just so they can have more "social programs", while roads go unpaved, infrastructure is failing on all fronts, and even our drinking water is becoming a cesspool).

Except countries being in debt is usually good. Not being in debt is a huge problem for a country...

#33 Posted by foxhound_fox (87332 posts) -

@GamingTitan said:

Fiscal conservative, social liberal~

So you like welfare and social programs but you just dont want to pay for them? :P

Social programs are not a requirement of social liberalism. The government doesn't need to give tax breaks to children's parents to help them buy hockey equipment to also support the freedom of homosexuals to marry one another.

#34 Posted by ninjastar (9507 posts) -

left

#35 Edited by foxhound_fox (87332 posts) -

@Person0 said:

Except countries being in debt is usually good. Not being in debt is a huge problem for a country...

#36 Posted by Person0 (2944 posts) -

@Person0 said:

Except countries being in debt is usually good. Not being in debt is a huge problem for a country...

Government surplus is the government taking money out of the economy for one thing. there are many other reasons but some debt is good,

#37 Posted by comp_atkins (31186 posts) -

how can a higher % ( on both sides ) support gay rights than support same sex marriage? seems a little weird. in any case, interesting pic though neither hard red or hard blue would work very well in reality. need hard purple

#38 Edited by foxhound_fox (87332 posts) -

@Person0 said:

Government surplus is the government taking money out of the economy for one thing. there are many other reasons but some debt is good,

Tell that to Norway, which has enough surplus from war reparations to pay everybody's pensions for the next 75 years.

Debt is bad unless it's to prevent an emergency.

#39 Edited by Person0 (2944 posts) -

@Person0 said:

Government surplus is the government taking money out of the economy for one thing. there are many other reasons but some debt is good,

Tell that to Norway, which has enough surplus from war reparations to pay everybody's pensions for the next 75 years.

Debt is bad unless it's to prevent an emergency.

Except its not. A government's budget is not like a households. They key is debt to GDP ratio, as long as GDP is growing faster then the debt your good. Lots of debt is bad, no debt is also bad.

#40 Posted by foxhound_fox (87332 posts) -

@Person0 said:

Except its not. A government's budget is not like a households. They key is debt to GDP ratio, as long as GDP is growing faster then the debt your good. Lots of debt is bad, no debt is also bad.

We'll have to agree to disagree then, because there is no foreseeable way I can ever agree with you.

#41 Posted by Person0 (2944 posts) -

@Person0 said:

Except its not. A government's budget is not like a households. They key is debt to GDP ratio, as long as GDP is growing faster then the debt your good. Lots of debt is bad, no debt is also bad.

We'll have to agree to disagree then, because there is no foreseeable way I can ever agree with you.

Its economics. If the government is having a surplus then it is taking money out of the economy. What does the government do with the surplus money?

#42 Edited by Zuzuvela (2148 posts) -

Centre Right probably

#43 Posted by michaelP4 (16680 posts) -

Would dispute some of the assumptions made on that diagram - it's mostly accurate though and is quite good. I would identify as centre right. I'm fiscally conservative and socially liberal. But even then, that's in terms of British politics - would support British Conservative Party but yet would support the Democrats in the USA. Left and right are very subjective terms that change over time, perhaps even with your views. For example, a Conservative Prime Minister in the UK introduced gay marriage here - you'd never see the Republicans do that... at least not any time soon. Never say never.

Hope they do modernise though - that way, they'd actually pose a challenge to the Democrats. British Conservative Party is very good at that and is the most successful of all the British parties - been in government the longest amount of time overall.

#44 Posted by Jimn_tonic (819 posts) -

@Person0 said:

@foxhound_fox said:

@Person0 said:

Except its not. A government's budget is not like a households. They key is debt to GDP ratio, as long as GDP is growing faster then the debt your good. Lots of debt is bad, no debt is also bad.

We'll have to agree to disagree then, because there is no foreseeable way I can ever agree with you.

Its economics. If the government is having a surplus then it is taking money out of the economy. What does the government do with the surplus money?

uhh..spend it?

#45 Posted by Wolf-Man2006 (4187 posts) -

Neither

#46 Posted by DarkGamer007 (6024 posts) -

I'm somewhere in between a Socialist and a Democrat. I ultimately think the best form of Government is a healthy mix of socialism and capitalism.

#47 Posted by Jake518 (217 posts) -

Would dispute some of the assumptions made on that diagram - it's mostly accurate though and is quite good. I would identify as centre right. I'm fiscally conservative and socially liberal. But even then, that's in terms of British politics - would support British Conservative Party but yet would support the Democrats in the USA. Left and right are very subjective terms that change over time, perhaps even with your views. For example, a Conservative Prime Minister in the UK introduced gay marriage here - you'd never see the Republicans do that... at least not any time soon. Never say never.

Hope they do modernise though - that way, they'd actually pose a challenge to the Democrats. British Conservative Party is very good at that and is the most successful of all the British parties - been in government the longest amount of time overall.

Actually, I believe there are some Republicans that do support same-sex marriage. One that I can think of at the top of the head might come as a surprise: Dick Cheney. His daughter is a lesbian as well and he supports her fully.

There is a sect of conservatives that are pretty socially liberal because of their conservative views on the size of government. We call them Libertarians here in the U.S.A. and their stances is that government should be fiscally conservative, the size of the government should be decreased, and that the government shouldn't interfere with the private lives of the citizens it's supposed to represent. This group supports the legalization of same-sex marriage, prostitution, drugs (including the hard stuff), etc. Rights are a big concern for this group and they are wary of engaging overseas wars, such as Iraq.