kurt cobain 20th anniversary coming up

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#1 Posted by moloch999 (125 posts) -

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/20/showbiz/kurt-cobain-death-probe/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

what does everyone think, suicide? murder?

#2 Posted by MonsieurX (29548 posts) -

It's a pact with the rest of the group to gain fame\money.

#3 Posted by Nengo_Flow (9515 posts) -

who?

#4 Posted by hippiesanta (9809 posts) -
#5 Posted by Nengo_Flow (9515 posts) -
#6 Posted by LJS9502_basic (150351 posts) -

Suicide....and it shouldn't surprise anyone that people with drug habit take that route.

Those saying who.....shame pop culture passes you by.

#7 Posted by Wilfred_Owen (20834 posts) -

It was really the Lords of Omniverse 18. Dastardly. Cunning. And perhaps a little to good looking to boot. That is what drives them all insane.

#8 Posted by Nibroc420 (13567 posts) -

Suicide....and it shouldn't surprise anyone that people with drug habit take that route.

Those saying who.....shame pop culture passes you by.

Making ignorant generalizations as always i see.

#9 Posted by moloch999 (125 posts) -

Suicide....and it shouldn't surprise anyone that people with drug habit take that route.

Those saying who.....shame pop culture passes you by.

Courtney Love murdered him.

#10 Posted by chaplainDMK (6740 posts) -

He played Russian roulette against the mice in his skin with a pumpaction shotgun... He lost

#11 Posted by brimmul777 (1136 posts) -

Nirvana had one decent album and a bunch of posers went ape sh*t when Kurt Cobain died.No big thing that he died.I'm sorry the man died,but he did that to himself.Plus Nevermind was a OVERATED album.

#12 Posted by chaplainDMK (6740 posts) -

Nirvana had one decent album and a bunch of posers went ape sh*t when Kurt Cobain died.No big thing that he died.I'm sorry the man died,but he did that to himself.Plus Nevermind was a OVERATED album.

You can't really deny that they were a decent band, plus Nevermind is probably their weakest effort imo, Unplugged, Bleach and In Utero are all far better. Nevermind is just an oddball middle of the road album that doesn't have neither the raw punkish energy appeal of Bleach nor the more mesmerizing and melancholic qualities of In Utero. It certainly doesn't come close to Unplugged.

#13 Posted by Qixote (10679 posts) -

@LJS9502_basic said:

Suicide....and it shouldn't surprise anyone that people with drug habit take that route.

Those saying who.....shame pop culture passes you by.

Courtney Love murdered him.

Technically she hired someone else to murder him, and made to look like a suicide.

And so true that drug habits can cause people to do such harsh things. Courtney was a bigger addict than Kurt was.

#14 Posted by joehult (363 posts) -

Courtney Love killed him. Whether or not he deserved it, or asked for it, who knows.

#15 Posted by Reaper4278 (337 posts) -

@LJS9502_basic said:

Suicide....and it shouldn't surprise anyone that people with drug habit take that route.

Those saying who.....shame pop culture passes you by.

Making ignorant generalizations as always i see.

So first you come to the defense of Russia when they invade a neighboring country and now you are defending heroin addicts?

This is in no way a generalization and it is absurd to even imply it is.

"Overall, heroin users are 14 times more likely than peers to die from suicide."

Linking won't work for me for some reason so here; plenty more where this came from: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1360-0443.2002.00214.x/abstract;jsessionid=0581298494721D93242EEC18821285D1.f04t01?deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=&userIsAuthenticated=false

#16 Posted by lostrib (34582 posts) -

Well he was married to Courtney Love so not surprising

#17 Posted by Nibroc420 (13567 posts) -

@Nibroc420 said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

Suicide....and it shouldn't surprise anyone that people with drug habit take that route.

Those saying who.....shame pop culture passes you by.

Making ignorant generalizations as always i see.

So first you come to the defense of Russia when they invade a neighboring country and now you are defending heroin addicts?

This is in no way a generalization and it is absurd to even imply it is.

"Overall, heroin users are 14 times more likely than peers to die from suicide."

Linking won't work for me for some reason so here; plenty more where this came from: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1360-0443.2002.00214.x/abstract;jsessionid=0581298494721D93242EEC18821285D1.f04t01?deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=&userIsAuthenticated=false

Wow,

1.) Russia didn't invade anyone, Crimea wanted to Join Russia. Crimea used to belong to Ukraine, and fearing their government, the citizens voted to be annexed into Russia.Russia has troops on the Crimea/Ukraine Border, because the Ukraine government was shooting civilians simply for protesting. Russia is using it's army to protect the citizens of Crimea from a genocide by the hands of Ukraine.

2.) I never once mentioned Heroin addicts. I just find it absurd that given the amount of drug addictions in America, vs the suicide rate, people like LJS can make ignorant statements suggesting that it's a common occurrence for "people with drug habit" to attempt suicide.

#18 Posted by LJS9502_basic (150351 posts) -

@reaper4278 said:

@Nibroc420 said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

Suicide....and it shouldn't surprise anyone that people with drug habit take that route.

Those saying who.....shame pop culture passes you by.

Making ignorant generalizations as always i see.

So first you come to the defense of Russia when they invade a neighboring country and now you are defending heroin addicts?

This is in no way a generalization and it is absurd to even imply it is.

"Overall, heroin users are 14 times more likely than peers to die from suicide."

Linking won't work for me for some reason so here; plenty more where this came from: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1360-0443.2002.00214.x/abstract;jsessionid=0581298494721D93242EEC18821285D1.f04t01?deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=&userIsAuthenticated=false

Wow,

1.) Russia didn't invade anyone, Crimea wanted to Join Russia. Crimea used to belong to Ukraine, and fearing their government, the citizens voted to be annexed into Russia.Russia has troops on the Crimea/Ukraine Border, because the Ukraine government was shooting civilians simply for protesting. Russia is using it's army to protect the citizens of Crimea from a genocide by the hands of Ukraine.

2.) I never once mentioned Heroin addicts. I just find it absurd that given the amount of drug addictions in America, vs the suicide rate, people like LJS can make ignorant statements suggesting that it's a common occurrence for "people with drug habit" to attempt suicide.

Do you ever understand what you read? To say there aren't people with addiction problems that choose suicide is stupid. But then I guess I should consider the source.

#19 Posted by Nibroc420 (13567 posts) -

@Nibroc420 said:

@reaper4278 said:

@Nibroc420 said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

Suicide....and it shouldn't surprise anyone that people with drug habit take that route.

Those saying who.....shame pop culture passes you by.

Making ignorant generalizations as always i see.

So first you come to the defense of Russia when they invade a neighboring country and now you are defending heroin addicts?

This is in no way a generalization and it is absurd to even imply it is.

"Overall, heroin users are 14 times more likely than peers to die from suicide."

Linking won't work for me for some reason so here; plenty more where this came from: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1360-0443.2002.00214.x/abstract;jsessionid=0581298494721D93242EEC18821285D1.f04t01?deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=&userIsAuthenticated=false

Wow,

1.) Russia didn't invade anyone, Crimea wanted to Join Russia. Crimea used to belong to Ukraine, and fearing their government, the citizens voted to be annexed into Russia.Russia has troops on the Crimea/Ukraine Border, because the Ukraine government was shooting civilians simply for protesting. Russia is using it's army to protect the citizens of Crimea from a genocide by the hands of Ukraine.

2.) I never once mentioned Heroin addicts. I just find it absurd that given the amount of drug addictions in America, vs the suicide rate, people like LJS can make ignorant statements suggesting that it's a common occurrence for "people with drug habit" to attempt suicide.

Do you ever understand what you read? To say there aren't people with addiction problems that choose suicide is stupid. But then I guess I should consider the source.

There's a difference between

"A small percentage of people with drug addictions, take their lives"

and

"Well, no-one should be surprised that he committed suicide, it shouldn't surprise anyone that people with drug habit take that route."

Seems you fail and reading comprehension to the point where you're not even understanding what you write.

#20 Edited by Reaper4278 (337 posts) -

@Nibroc420 said:

@reaper4278 said:

@Nibroc420 said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

Suicide....and it shouldn't surprise anyone that people with drug habit take that route.

Those saying who.....shame pop culture passes you by.

Making ignorant generalizations as always i see.

So first you come to the defense of Russia when they invade a neighboring country and now you are defending heroin addicts?

This is in no way a generalization and it is absurd to even imply it is.

"Overall, heroin users are 14 times more likely than peers to die from suicide."

Linking won't work for me for some reason so here; plenty more where this came from: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1360-0443.2002.00214.x/abstract;jsessionid=0581298494721D93242EEC18821285D1.f04t01?deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=&userIsAuthenticated=false

Wow,

1.) Russia didn't invade anyone, Crimea wanted to Join Russia. Crimea used to belong to Ukraine, and fearing their government, the citizens voted to be annexed into Russia.Russia has troops on the Crimea/Ukraine Border, because the Ukraine government was shooting civilians simply for protesting. Russia is using it's army to protect the citizens of Crimea from a genocide by the hands of Ukraine.

2.) I never once mentioned Heroin addicts. I just find it absurd that given the amount of drug addictions in America, vs the suicide rate, people like LJS can make ignorant statements suggesting that it's a common occurrence for "people with drug habit" to attempt suicide.

I won't debate the Russia thing with you here, it is off-topic and you are too brainwashed to bother with on this anyway.

As for the on topic subject:

Heroin is the drug that was found in cobain's system after his death, that is why I used that paper.

But if you still want to claim this was a stereotype based on general drug use: This study starts off with the sentence "Suicide is a leading cause of death among illicit drug users."

http://www.samhsa.gov/data/spotlight/spot129-suicide-thoughts-drug-use-2014.pdf

You won't win this one sir, just let it go.

#21 Posted by moloch999 (125 posts) -

@LJS9502_basic said:

@Nibroc420 said:

@reaper4278 said:

@Nibroc420 said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

Suicide....and it shouldn't surprise anyone that people with drug habit take that route.

Those saying who.....shame pop culture passes you by.

Making ignorant generalizations as always i see.

So first you come to the defense of Russia when they invade a neighboring country and now you are defending heroin addicts?

This is in no way a generalization and it is absurd to even imply it is.

"Overall, heroin users are 14 times more likely than peers to die from suicide."

Linking won't work for me for some reason so here; plenty more where this came from: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1360-0443.2002.00214.x/abstract;jsessionid=0581298494721D93242EEC18821285D1.f04t01?deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=&userIsAuthenticated=false

Wow,

1.) Russia didn't invade anyone, Crimea wanted to Join Russia. Crimea used to belong to Ukraine, and fearing their government, the citizens voted to be annexed into Russia.Russia has troops on the Crimea/Ukraine Border, because the Ukraine government was shooting civilians simply for protesting. Russia is using it's army to protect the citizens of Crimea from a genocide by the hands of Ukraine.

2.) I never once mentioned Heroin addicts. I just find it absurd that given the amount of drug addictions in America, vs the suicide rate, people like LJS can make ignorant statements suggesting that it's a common occurrence for "people with drug habit" to attempt suicide.

Do you ever understand what you read? To say there aren't people with addiction problems that choose suicide is stupid. But then I guess I should consider the source.

There's a difference between

"A small percentage of people with drug addictions, take their lives"

and

"Well, no-one should be surprised that he committed suicide, it shouldn't surprise anyone that people with drug habit take that route."

Seems you fail and reading comprehension to the point where you're not even understanding what you write.

85 percent of drug users end up dying.

#22 Posted by Nibroc420 (13567 posts) -

@Nibroc420 said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@Nibroc420 said:

@reaper4278 said:

@Nibroc420 said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

Suicide....and it shouldn't surprise anyone that people with drug habit take that route.

Those saying who.....shame pop culture passes you by.

Making ignorant generalizations as always i see.

So first you come to the defense of Russia when they invade a neighboring country and now you are defending heroin addicts?

This is in no way a generalization and it is absurd to even imply it is.

"Overall, heroin users are 14 times more likely than peers to die from suicide."

Linking won't work for me for some reason so here; plenty more where this came from: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1360-0443.2002.00214.x/abstract;jsessionid=0581298494721D93242EEC18821285D1.f04t01?deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=&userIsAuthenticated=false

Wow,

1.) Russia didn't invade anyone, Crimea wanted to Join Russia. Crimea used to belong to Ukraine, and fearing their government, the citizens voted to be annexed into Russia.Russia has troops on the Crimea/Ukraine Border, because the Ukraine government was shooting civilians simply for protesting. Russia is using it's army to protect the citizens of Crimea from a genocide by the hands of Ukraine.

2.) I never once mentioned Heroin addicts. I just find it absurd that given the amount of drug addictions in America, vs the suicide rate, people like LJS can make ignorant statements suggesting that it's a common occurrence for "people with drug habit" to attempt suicide.

Do you ever understand what you read? To say there aren't people with addiction problems that choose suicide is stupid. But then I guess I should consider the source.

There's a difference between

"A small percentage of people with drug addictions, take their lives"

and

"Well, no-one should be surprised that he committed suicide, it shouldn't surprise anyone that people with drug habit take that route."

Seems you fail and reading comprehension to the point where you're not even understanding what you write.

85 percent of drug users end up dying.

Correction.

100% of drug users end up dying.along with 100% of all living organisms.

#23 Edited by LJS9502_basic (150351 posts) -

@LJS9502_basic said:

@Nibroc420 said:

Wow,

1.) Russia didn't invade anyone, Crimea wanted to Join Russia. Crimea used to belong to Ukraine, and fearing their government, the citizens voted to be annexed into Russia.Russia has troops on the Crimea/Ukraine Border, because the Ukraine government was shooting civilians simply for protesting. Russia is using it's army to protect the citizens of Crimea from a genocide by the hands of Ukraine.

2.) I never once mentioned Heroin addicts. I just find it absurd that given the amount of drug addictions in America, vs the suicide rate, people like LJS can make ignorant statements suggesting that it's a common occurrence for "people with drug habit" to attempt suicide.

Do you ever understand what you read? To say there aren't people with addiction problems that choose suicide is stupid. But then I guess I should consider the source.

There's a difference between

"A small percentage of people with drug addictions, take their lives"

and

"Well, no-one should be surprised that he committed suicide, it shouldn't surprise anyone that people with drug habit take that route."

Seems you fail and reading comprehension to the point where you're not even understanding what you write.

You really do have a hard on for trolling me. The use of people is correct as more than one person with a drug addiction has, in fact, committed suicide. It is not an uncommon happening. I realize you love semantics and are quite pedantic...but please learn how to use vocabulary properly first.

#24 Edited by Nibroc420 (13567 posts) -

@reaper4278:I dont know if you're trolling, or what it is.

1.) We were not talking "illicit drugs", so please stop moving the goalposts.

Suicide....and it shouldn't surprise anyone that people with drug habit take that route.

Those saying who.....shame pop culture passes you by.

Common drugs used among people:
TobaccoAlcohol
Painkillers.

Are you telling me, that if someone smokes a cigarette. No-one should be surprised if they commit suicide?
Every person at a bar/nightclub, could commit suicide, and "it shouldn't surprise anyone" because they were drinking liquor?

#25 Posted by moloch999 (125 posts) -

@reaper4278:I dont know if you're trolling, or what it is.

1.) We were not talking "illicit drugs", so please stop moving the goalposts.

@LJS9502_basic said:

Suicide....and it shouldn't surprise anyone that people with drug habit take that route.

Those saying who.....shame pop culture passes you by.

Common drugs used among people:

TobaccoAlcohol

Painkillers.

Are you telling me, that if someone smokes a cigarette. No-one should be surprised if they commit suicide?

Every person at a bar/nightclub, could commit suicide, and "it shouldn't surprise anyone" because they were drinking liquor?

So you're comparing ciggs to heroine? Good debate coming up.

#26 Edited by Reaper4278 (337 posts) -

@reaper4278:I dont know if you're trolling, or what it is.

1.) We were not talking "illicit drugs", so please stop moving the goalposts.

@LJS9502_basic said:

Suicide....and it shouldn't surprise anyone that people with drug habit take that route.

Those saying who.....shame pop culture passes you by.

Common drugs used among people:

TobaccoAlcohol

Painkillers.

Are you telling me, that if someone smokes a cigarette. No-one should be surprised if they commit suicide?

Every person at a bar/nightclub, could commit suicide, and "it shouldn't surprise anyone" because they were drinking liquor?

Do you really think he was referring to cigarettes? Seriously? Cobain was on HEROIN when he killed himself. Use some common sense please.

#27 Posted by LJS9502_basic (150351 posts) -

@reaper4278:I dont know if you're trolling, or what it is.

1.) We were not talking "illicit drugs", so please stop moving the goalposts.

@LJS9502_basic said:

Suicide....and it shouldn't surprise anyone that people with drug habit take that route.

Those saying who.....shame pop culture passes you by.

Common drugs used among people:

TobaccoAlcohol

Painkillers.

Are you telling me, that if someone smokes a cigarette. No-one should be surprised if they commit suicide?

Every person at a bar/nightclub, could commit suicide, and "it shouldn't surprise anyone" because they were drinking liquor?

He's right....you need to give up. You won't win.

#28 Posted by Nibroc420 (13567 posts) -

@Nibroc420 said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@Nibroc420 said:

Wow,

1.) Russia didn't invade anyone, Crimea wanted to Join Russia. Crimea used to belong to Ukraine, and fearing their government, the citizens voted to be annexed into Russia.Russia has troops on the Crimea/Ukraine Border, because the Ukraine government was shooting civilians simply for protesting. Russia is using it's army to protect the citizens of Crimea from a genocide by the hands of Ukraine.

2.) I never once mentioned Heroin addicts. I just find it absurd that given the amount of drug addictions in America, vs the suicide rate, people like LJS can make ignorant statements suggesting that it's a common occurrence for "people with drug habit" to attempt suicide.

Do you ever understand what you read? To say there aren't people with addiction problems that choose suicide is stupid. But then I guess I should consider the source.

There's a difference between

"A small percentage of people with drug addictions, take their lives"

and

"Well, no-one should be surprised that he committed suicide, it shouldn't surprise anyone that people with drug habit take that route."

Seems you fail and reading comprehension to the point where you're not even understanding what you write.

You really do have a hard on for trolling me. The use of people is correct as more than one person with a drug addiction has, in fact, committed suicide. It is not an uncommon happening. I realize you love semantics and are quite pedantic...but please learn how to use vocabulary properly first.

There are more commonly used drugs than heroin or meth.

I guess because you take a Tylenol for headaches, no-one should be surprised if you suicide.

Really, no-one should be surprised if anyone commits suicide by your logic.Between Caffine, cough medicines, headache remedies, liqour, and cigarettes everyone's got some drug use in their life.

#29 Posted by moloch999 (125 posts) -

@Nibroc420 said:

@reaper4278:I dont know if you're trolling, or what it is.

1.) We were not talking "illicit drugs", so please stop moving the goalposts.

@LJS9502_basic said:

Suicide....and it shouldn't surprise anyone that people with drug habit take that route.

Those saying who.....shame pop culture passes you by.

Common drugs used among people:

TobaccoAlcohol

Painkillers.

Are you telling me, that if someone smokes a cigarette. No-one should be surprised if they commit suicide?

Every person at a bar/nightclub, could commit suicide, and "it shouldn't surprise anyone" because they were drinking liquor?

Do you really think he was referring to cigarettes? Seriously? Cobain was on HEROIN when he killed himself. Use some common sense please.

He was murdered.

#30 Posted by Nibroc420 (13567 posts) -

@Nibroc420 said:

@reaper4278:I dont know if you're trolling, or what it is.

1.) We were not talking "illicit drugs", so please stop moving the goalposts.

@LJS9502_basic said:

Suicide....and it shouldn't surprise anyone that people with drug habit take that route.

Those saying who.....shame pop culture passes you by.

Common drugs used among people:

TobaccoAlcohol

Painkillers.

Are you telling me, that if someone smokes a cigarette. No-one should be surprised if they commit suicide?

Every person at a bar/nightclub, could commit suicide, and "it shouldn't surprise anyone" because they were drinking liquor?

Do you really think he was referring to cigarettes? Seriously? Cobain was on HEROIN when he killed himself. Use some common sense please.

I never said he was referring to cigarettes. However he made a generalization and I pointed it out.
You're the one who made a big thing about it.

Are you surprised that things like Cigs and Coffee are drugs? Where did you go to school? :s

#31 Posted by LJS9502_basic (150351 posts) -

@reaper4278 said:

@Nibroc420 said:

@reaper4278:I dont know if you're trolling, or what it is.

1.) We were not talking "illicit drugs", so please stop moving the goalposts.

@LJS9502_basic said:

Suicide....and it shouldn't surprise anyone that people with drug habit take that route.

Those saying who.....shame pop culture passes you by.

Common drugs used among people:

TobaccoAlcohol

Painkillers.

Are you telling me, that if someone smokes a cigarette. No-one should be surprised if they commit suicide?

Every person at a bar/nightclub, could commit suicide, and "it shouldn't surprise anyone" because they were drinking liquor?

Do you really think he was referring to cigarettes? Seriously? Cobain was on HEROIN when he killed himself. Use some common sense please.

I never said he was referring to cigarettes. However he made a generalization and I pointed it out.

You're the one who made a big thing about it.

Are you surprised that things like Cigs and Coffee are drugs? Where did you gTo to school? :s

No I did NOT make a generalization....you just suck at reading comprehension. This thread is about Cobain. Hence I'm referring to his drug habit. But like I said....you'll make an ass of yourself consistently to troll me. You need to get over your obsession with quoting me and trying illogical arguments for attention dude.

#32 Edited by Reaper4278 (337 posts) -

@Nibroc420 said:

@reaper4278 said:

Do you really think he was referring to cigarettes? Seriously? Cobain was on HEROIN when he killed himself. Use some common sense please.

I never said he was referring to cigarettes. However he made a generalization and I pointed it out.

You're the one who made a big thing about it.

Are you surprised that things like Cigs and Coffee are drugs? Where did you go to school? :s

Then why are you talking about cigarettes and alcohol? Coffee? lol. No one brought those up. You really are trying too hard.

Yes I understand nicotine and alcohol etc are drugs, but thank you for attempting to educate me anyway. You jumped on someone for making the "generalization" that suicide rates are high among drug user, that it should never be a shock to hear. He should not have to say what kind of drugs, when someone uses "drug users" in this context it is common sense to know what type of drugs they are speaking of. This especially when the guy we are talking about was on heroin when he offed himself.

I simply showed you where this "stereo-type" , as you call it, comes from - it is called facts and I showed them to you. Now you can just "you're right" and move on or you can continue this nonsense.

And this below is just wow, really man? I am sorry we did not say "illicit" drugs, I guess we thought someone smart enough to power on their PC could get this without specifics.

@Nibroc420 said:

There are more commonly used drugs than heroin or meth.

I guess because you take a Tylenol for headaches, no-one should be surprised if you suicide.

Really, no-one should be surprised if anyone commits suicide by your logic.Between Caffine, cough medicines, headache remedies, liqour, and cigarettes everyone's got some drug use in their life.

#33 Edited by Nibroc420 (13567 posts) -

@LJS9502_basic said:

No I did NOT make a generalization....you just suck at reading comprehension. This thread is about Cobain. Hence I'm referring to his drug habit. But like I said....you'll make an ass of yourself consistently to troll me. You need to get over your obsession with quoting me and trying illogical arguments for attention dude.

42.1 million people in the USA smoke cigarettes.

http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/adult_data/cig_smoking/

More than 50% of the USA is considered a "regular drinker"
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/alcohol.htm
There are 319 million people in the USA, so that's 159.5 million people drink regularly, we can call that a habit.

There were 38,364 total suicides in the USA.

So, Ignoring the smokers, as there's probbably some overlap, and ignoring all the illicit drugs, and all the legal drug abuses.

(38364/319000000)x100 = 0.012%

Yet

@LJS9502_basic said:

Suicide....and it shouldn't surprise anyone that people with drug habit take that route.

#34 Posted by AmazonTreeBoa (16745 posts) -

Another thread turned into a pathetic mess.

#35 Posted by LJS9502_basic (150351 posts) -

@LJS9502_basic said:

No I did NOT make a generalization....you just suck at reading comprehension. This thread is about Cobain. Hence I'm referring to his drug habit. But like I said....you'll make an ass of yourself consistently to troll me. You need to get over your obsession with quoting me and trying illogical arguments for attention dude.

42.1 million people in the USA smoke cigarettes.

http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/adult_data/cig_smoking/

More than 50% of the USA is considered a "regular drinker"http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/alcohol.htmThere are 319 million people in the USA, so that's 159.5 million people drink regularly, we can call that a habit.

There were 38,364 total suicides in the USA.

(38364/319000000)x100 = 0.012%

Yet

@LJS9502_basic said:

Suicide....and it shouldn't surprise anyone that people with drug habit take that route.

First...we're not talking about alcohol. We are talking about heroin in regard to Cobain. It's well documented what drug he struggled with. Your straw man fails.

Second, I did not say all drug users. I said drug users. Period. It is amusing the attempts you to in order to troll...but you are making an ass of yourself. Though I don't think you are bright enough to see that.

#36 Posted by Nibroc420 (13567 posts) -

Then why are you talking about cigarettes and alcohol? Coffee? lol. No one brought those up. You really are trying too hard.

He said "people with a drug habit".
Well, Caffeine is a drug.
Alcohol is a drug.
Nicotine is a drug.

You jumped on someone for making the "generalization" that suicide rates are high among drug user, that it should never be a shock to hear. He should not have to say what kind of drugs.

Wrong, the KIND of drugs is VERY important.
Because next he could be making the ignorant statement "You'll be addicted the first time you try them" or "Drugs literally rot the flesh of your bones".

Well, lets see, Tylenol doesn't make you an addict the first time, and it doesn't rot your flesh.
Caffeine? No to both.
Pot? Still no.
LSD? Again, still no.

Oh right, Meth makes you an addict the first time, and Krocodil rots the flesh off your bones.
Guess it makes sense to be specific, no?

#37 Posted by Nibroc420 (13567 posts) -

@Nibroc420 said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

No I did NOT make a generalization....you just suck at reading comprehension. This thread is about Cobain. Hence I'm referring to his drug habit. But like I said....you'll make an ass of yourself consistently to troll me. You need to get over your obsession with quoting me and trying illogical arguments for attention dude.

42.1 million people in the USA smoke cigarettes.

http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/adult_data/cig_smoking/

More than 50% of the USA is considered a "regular drinker"http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/alcohol.htmThere are 319 million people in the USA, so that's 159.5 million people drink regularly, we can call that a habit.

There were 38,364 total suicides in the USA.

(38364/319000000)x100 = 0.012%

Yet

@LJS9502_basic said:

Suicide....and it shouldn't surprise anyone that people with drug habit take that route.

First...we're not talking about alcohol. We are talking about heroin in regard to Cobain. It's well documented what drug he struggled with. Your straw man fails.

Second, I did not say all drug users. I said drug users. Period. It is amusing the attempts you to in order to troll...but you are making an ass of yourself. Though I don't think you are bright enough to see that.

Let me know when you finish grade-school english.
Seems you're unable to even comprehend the sentences you're writing to their full extent.

#38 Posted by Reaper4278 (337 posts) -

@Nibroc420 Okay man you are really taking this way too far. I understand maybe there was a language or culture barrier which did not allow you to pick up exactly which type of drugs we were referring to. That's okay, it happens.

Saying that, what I do not understand is now that this has been cleared up and you understand we were talking about illicit drugs -why are you continuing down this path?

#39 Posted by VERTIGO47 (6248 posts) -

I'm a huge fan of Nirvana, got all their albums, except their Live at the Dishwalla (I think thats the name), but Jesus, people need to move on. The miserable bastard shot himself, coupled with a dangerous potent intake of drugs, thats it. All these conspiracy theories are just plain media drivel, nothing more.

#40 Posted by Nibroc420 (13567 posts) -

@reaper4278:

I have a serious issue with people mis-representing the truth. You didn't even make the statement, so I'm not sure why you're even asking, or why you're using the term "we".

I understand Kurt Cobain died with a considerable amount of heroin in his system. I understand Heroin is illegal, and that Heroin users are 14 times more likely to commit suicide.
However.

I cannot get past this statement.

Suicide....and it shouldn't surprise anyone that people with drug habit take that route.

He did not say Heroin.
He did not say Illicit drugs.
He said "Drugs".

Should we not be surprised if a happy young hippie couple who smokes pot, kills themselves for whatever reason?
"Whatever, they've got a drug habit, it shouldn't be of any surprise" right?
Again, half the country is considered "Regular users of Alcohol" according to the CDC's standards.
Between all the legal drugs, there's only a very small part of the population that we expect not to commit suicide?

#41 Edited by Reaper4278 (337 posts) -

@Nibroc420 said:

@reaper4278:

I have a serious issue with people mis-representing the truth. You didn't even make the statement, so I'm not sure why you're even asking, or why you're using the term "we".

I understand Kurt Cobain died with a considerable amount of heroin in his system. I understand Heroin is illegal, and that Heroin users are 14 times more likely to commit suicide.

However.

I cannot get past this statement.

@LJS9502_basic said:

Suicide....and it shouldn't surprise anyone that people with drug habit take that route.

He did not say Heroin.

He did not say Illicit drugs.

He said "Drugs".

Should we not be surprised if a happy young hippie couple who smokes pot, kills themselves for whatever reason?

"Whatever, they've got a drug habit, it shouldn't be of any surprise" right?

Again, half the country is considered "Regular users of Alcohol" according to the CDC's standards.

Between all the legal drugs, there's only a very small part of the population that we expect not to commit suicide?

I think you are reading too much into his statement. He is right, if someone with a drug problem (and to be clear-illicit drugs) blows their head off not too many people are going to be surprised about it. This is not saying everyone with a drug problem kill themselves, they are just more likely to than someone without one. I don't see why you are taking such an issue with what he said. I think everyone here but you knew what type of drugs he was referring to.

And I got into this because it was part of the thread, if you want a private conversation between you two go for it.

#42 Edited by Kevlar101 (6072 posts) -

This topic is ridiculous.

Not the subject.... I meant the discussions that are going on.