It seems the US government thinks the war on drugs is more important than...

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#1 Posted by ghoklebutter (19327 posts) -

...the war on human trafficking:

The U.S. government spends 300 timesmore money each year to fight drug trafficking than it does to fight human trafficking. And the criminal penalties for drug trafficking are generally greater than the ones usually levied against those who traffic in girls.

Isn't that just lovely?

#2 Posted by l4dak47 (6838 posts) -
<3 you ghokles for this thread. But yea, the government would rather trample all over our personal rights than fight these kinds of atrocities. Fvcking disgusting.
#3 Posted by Sajo7 (14049 posts) -
Modern slavery is something people just refuse to believe is happening, even in the US. It's a real shame.
#4 Posted by CHOASXIII (14648 posts) -

It is pretty sad that people would get a harsher penalty for illegal drugs then for doing things like this to people.

#5 Posted by jimkabrhel (15440 posts) -

Very sad indeed.

#6 Posted by the_bi99man (11062 posts) -

That's the US government for ya. Ever since Harry J Anslinger started the modern war on drugs, using blatant lies and racism as his only points, aided by William Randolph Hearst running straight up lies in his chain of newspapers, trying to eliminate industrial hemp as competition for his paper business. Even though it's common (and public) knowledge at this point, that literally everything used in the early debates was lies and racism ("Marijuana makes darkies think they're as good as white people" -H.J. Anslinger, spoken in front of congress), there's just too much money and power caught up in it now. Cutting losses, and admitting they were wrong just doesn't seem, to them, like a viable option.

Edit: A few more gems, from Harry Anslinger's illustrious career:

"Marijuana is the most violence-causing drug in the history of mankind"

"You smoke a joint and you're likely to kill your brother"

"All mexicans are crazy, and marijuana is what makes them crazy"

"There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US,and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos and entertainers.Their Satanic music, jazz and swing, result from marijuana usage.This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relationswith Negroes, entertainers and any others."

"Marihuana influences Negroes to look at white people in the eye, step on white mens shadows and look at a white woman twice."

"The primary reason to outlaw marijuana is its effect on the degenerate races"

Most of these quotes come from his testimony to congress, in support of the original bill to criminalize marjiuana (along with cocaine, methamphetamines, and a handful of other drugs), shortly before he was named the first head of the newly created Federal Bureau of Narcotics (precurser to the modern DEA), where he was given the power of enforcing all these new drug laws.

#7 Posted by l4dak47 (6838 posts) -

It is pretty sad that people would get a harsher penalty for illegal drugs then for doing things like this to people.

CHOASXIII
It's disgusting is what it is. Rather than focusing on evil sh*t like this, the government decides to go after our personal rights.
#8 Posted by Rhazakna (11022 posts) -
Obviously people voluntarily putting a substance in their own bodies is a major scourge that must be stopped! People being forced into sexual slavery is also a scourge, but it's a pretty minor one. We'll got on top of stopping that tomorrow. Or the next day.
#9 Posted by Darthkaiser (12447 posts) -
As far as I remember the war on drugs have always been won by drugs :?
#10 Posted by Sajo7 (14049 posts) -
As far as I remember the war on drugs have always been won by drugs :?Darthkaiser
Lot of casualties though.
#11 Posted by l4dak47 (6838 posts) -
[QUOTE="Darthkaiser"]As far as I remember the war on drugs have always been won by drugs :?Sajo7
Lot of casualties though.

Brought about by prohibition.
#12 Posted by Storm_Marine (12225 posts) -

Aren't the same organizations involved either way? Usually the two go hand in hand along.

#13 Posted by l4dak47 (6838 posts) -

Aren't the same organizations involved either way? Usually the two go hand in hand along.

Storm_Marine
Well, if they didn't receive most of their funding from illegal drug sales, I doubt they would be as powerful as they are now.
#14 Posted by Jolt_counter119 (4146 posts) -

The war on drugs should be remembered as an embarrassing mistep in American history, but I fear we will just take it farther and farther. Realization that something just isn't working and fixing it isn't a strong suit in America.

#15 Posted by the_bi99man (11062 posts) -

Aren't the same organizations involved either way? Usually the two go hand in hand along.

Storm_Marine

Lol. No. Well, maybe in some places, depending on what kind of hard-ass drugs are involved. I know exactly where the weed I buy comes from, all the way up to the growers, though. And I can assure you, at no point in that chain is there any link to human trafficking and/or sexual slavery. That's a common myth, supported by the people who stand to gain wealth and power from the prohibition of drugs.

#16 Posted by the_bi99man (11062 posts) -

The war on drugs should be remembered as an embarrassing mistep in American history, but I fear we will just take it farther and farther. Realization that something just isn't working and fixing it isn't a strong suit in America.

Jolt_counter119

Q. F. Motherf*ckin T.

#17 Posted by l4dak47 (6838 posts) -

The war on drugs should be remembered as an embarrassing mistep in American history, but I fear we will just take it farther and farther. Realization that something just isn't working and fixing it isn't a strong suit in America.

Jolt_counter119
Indeed. Far too many people are brainwashed from all the drug propaganda. People need to get re-educated and re-informed. Otherwise, we're not going to see much of a change and money/lives will continue to be wasted.
#18 Posted by DeadMan1290 (15502 posts) -

...the war on human trafficking:

The U.S. government spends 300 timesmore money each year to fight drug trafficking than it does to fight human trafficking. And the criminal penalties for drug trafficking are generally greater than the ones usually levied against those who traffic in girls.

Isn't that just lovely?

ghoklebutter
They spend 300 times more money to ''fight'' drug trafficking. They be buying them drugs themselves.
#19 Posted by -Sun_Tzu- (17384 posts) -

The war on drugs should be remembered as an embarrassing mistep in American history, but I fear we will just take it farther and farther. Realization that something just isn't working and fixing it isn't a strong suit in America.

Jolt_counter119
It's the civil rights issue of our time. The US has about 5% of the world's population but holds a quarter of the world's prisoners. And even though drug usage rates are roughly the same between all demographics, prisons in America are disproportionately filled with minorities who will live the rest of their lives as second class citizens who will never be able to vote again and have an incredibly difficult time ever finding steady work.
#20 Posted by Storm_Marine (12225 posts) -

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

Aren't the same organizations involved either way? Usually the two go hand in hand along.

the_bi99man

Lol. No. Well, maybe in some places, depending on what kind of hard-ass drugs are involved. I know exactly where the weed I buy comes from, all the way up to the growers, though. And I can assure you, at no point in that chain is there any link to human trafficking and/or sexual slavery. That's a common myth, supported by the people who stand to gain wealth and power from the prohibition of drugs.

I don't know what kind of local grower **** you're into. But most of the big organizations around the world are involved in pretty much everything. The Triads, the Mexican Drug Cartels, The South American ones etc. etc. Though, drugs are the big money makers so making them legit would be pretty crushing to the organizations.

#21 Posted by l4dak47 (6838 posts) -

[QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

Aren't the same organizations involved either way? Usually the two go hand in hand along.

Storm_Marine

Lol. No. Well, maybe in some places, depending on what kind of hard-ass drugs are involved. I know exactly where the weed I buy comes from, all the way up to the growers, though. And I can assure you, at no point in that chain is there any link to human trafficking and/or sexual slavery. That's a common myth, supported by the people who stand to gain wealth and power from the prohibition of drugs.

I don't know what kind of local grower **** you're into. But most of the big organizations around the world are involved in pretty much everything. The Triads, the Mexican Drug Cartels, The South American ones etc. etc.

Again, we can deal them a very severe blow by taking away one of their biggest sources of revenue which are drugs. Nvm, saw your edit.
#22 Posted by the_bi99man (11062 posts) -

[QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

Aren't the same organizations involved either way? Usually the two go hand in hand along.

Storm_Marine

Lol. No. Well, maybe in some places, depending on what kind of hard-ass drugs are involved. I know exactly where the weed I buy comes from, all the way up to the growers, though. And I can assure you, at no point in that chain is there any link to human trafficking and/or sexual slavery. That's a common myth, supported by the people who stand to gain wealth and power from the prohibition of drugs.

I don't know what kind of local grower **** you're into. But most of the big organizations around the world are involved in pretty much everything. The Triads, the Mexican Drug Cartels, The South American ones etc. etc. Though, drugs are the big money makers so making them legit would be pretty crushing to the organizations.

Exactly. Just legalizing the drugs would be disastrous to the real criminals, who use the obscene profits from drug sales (made possible by the illegality) to finance the real crimes, which are far more damaging to society than the drugs are.

Also, yeah, I only deal with local dealers/growers. Besides wanting to make sure I'm not inadvertantly supporting some terrible sh!t, I just like to know where my chronic comes from. Not to mention it's way better that way. That nasty dirt weed getting pushed by the dealers working with the mexican cartels has to be some of the lowest quality marijuana ever grown. I'm surprised they even manage to sell it. No one who's ever smoked real sh!t would even consider buying that crap, no matter how cheap it was.

#23 Posted by sonicare (53676 posts) -

Probably because more people die as a result of drugs than human trafficking? That would be my thought.

#24 Posted by whiskeystrike (12096 posts) -

Human trafficking doesn't affect american citizens on a day to day basis like drugs do. Most people don't know it happens or refuse to acknowledge it happens. Drugs is something right in front of them, a visible and clear enemy.

very sad situation tho

#25 Posted by LJS9502_basic (153028 posts) -
Hmm well that doesn't seem to be a very credible source. They don't have hard figures. But the 300 times more spent might have something to do with their being more drugs to combat than human trafficking. I do know the US does investigate and deal with those that traffic in humans so I'm not sure really what the point is here.
#26 Posted by Rhazakna (11022 posts) -
Hmm well that doesn't seem to be a very credible source. They don't have hard figures. But the 300 times more spent might have something to do with their being more drugs to combat than human trafficking. I do know the US does investigate and deal with those that traffic in humans so I'm not sure really what the point is here.LJS9502_basic
Priorities. Especially considering the how inefficient drug prohibition has been, and the adverse effect on crime. Oh yeah, the stats are from the FBI and the Juvenile Justice Information Exchange.
#27 Posted by LJS9502_basic (153028 posts) -
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Hmm well that doesn't seem to be a very credible source. They don't have hard figures. But the 300 times more spent might have something to do with their being more drugs to combat than human trafficking. I do know the US does investigate and deal with those that traffic in humans so I'm not sure really what the point is here.Rhazakna
Priorities. Especially considering the how inefficient drug prohibition has been, and the adverse effect on crime. Oh yeah, the stats are from the FBI and the Juvenile Justice Information Exchange.

The point was there is no specifics here. IF the war on drugs is more costly it could be because it's more extensive. That in and of itself does not mean human trafficking is ignored. It's not.
#28 Posted by TopTierHustler (3894 posts) -

We should spend less on soft drugs and much much more on hard drugs.

#29 Posted by Rhazakna (11022 posts) -
[QUOTE="Rhazakna"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Hmm well that doesn't seem to be a very credible source. They don't have hard figures. But the 300 times more spent might have something to do with their being more drugs to combat than human trafficking. I do know the US does investigate and deal with those that traffic in humans so I'm not sure really what the point is here.LJS9502_basic
Priorities. Especially considering the how inefficient drug prohibition has been, and the adverse effect on crime. Oh yeah, the stats are from the FBI and the Juvenile Justice Information Exchange.

The point was there is no specifics here. IF the war on drugs is more costly it could be because it's more extensive. That in and of itself does not mean human trafficking is ignored. It's not.

All you have to do is look at the money allocated to enforcing drug prohibition, look at the money allocated to fight human trafficking and do the math. These are not secret, classified figures. No one's saying it's being "ignored", but if you look at the exponential increase in drug war funding over the decades, it's clear where the priorities of the US government are. There's tons of money wrapped up in perpetuating drug prohibition, not so much when it comes to fighting the sale of humans as chattel. The idea that the drug war is just inherently more expensive is based on nothing, really.
#30 Posted by mingmao3046 (2674 posts) -

We should spend less on soft drugs and much much more on hard drugs.

TopTierHustler
No actually. We shouldnt be spending any money on keeping any drugs illegal. drug use is a victimless crime. Prohibition has never worked and it will never work
#31 Posted by JoGoSo (441 posts) -

Apples & Oranges.

They should fund both and there's tons of things tio cut to get there.

#32 Posted by l4dak47 (6838 posts) -

Apples & Oranges.

They should fund both and there's tons of things tio cut to get there.

JoGoSo
Why fund a war against personal rights?
#33 Posted by EmpCom (3451 posts) -
[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"] No actually. We shouldnt be spending any money on keeping any drugs illegal. drug use is a victimless crime. Prohibition has never worked and it will never work  mingmao3046
[QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]

We should spend less on soft drugs and much much more on hard drugs.

No actually. We shouldnt be spending any money on keeping any drugs illegal. drug use is a victimless crime. Prohibition has never worked and it will never work

Complete shi*e legalize all drugs and watch the us turn into a craphole
#34 Posted by Abbeten (3132 posts) -

I'm not sure anyone wants to legalize every drug. But marijuana? Kind of a no-brainer.

It'll happen at some point. Opponents of legalization are mostly older, and once they start to die off the proponents will outnumber them and politicians will adopt a more lenient stance.

#35 Posted by l4dak47 (6838 posts) -
[QUOTE="EmpCom"][QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="TopTierHustler"] [QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]

We should spend less on soft drugs and much much more on hard drugs.

No actually. We shouldnt be spending any money on keeping any drugs illegal. drug use is a victimless crime. Prohibition has never worked and it will never work

Complete shi*e legalize all drugs and watch the us turn into a craphole

[citation needed] In Portugal, all drugs have been decriminalized and the rates of drug use have either stayed the same or actually dropped off a bit. http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html
#36 Posted by ghoklebutter (19327 posts) -

Apples & Oranges.

They should fund both and there's tons of things tio cut to get there.

JoGoSo
What do you mean by "Apples & Oranges"? The reason i am comparing these two is to show evidence of the US government messing up its priorities. Clearly drug trafficking isn't nearly as bad as human trafficking.
#37 Posted by Jolt_counter119 (4146 posts) -

Complete shi*e legalize all drugs and watch the us turn into a crapholeEmpCom

There is no evidence that suggests legality will increase drug use. In fact I remember a while ago that it is more plausible that it would most likely decrease if anything.

#38 Posted by mingmao3046 (2674 posts) -
[QUOTE="EmpCom"][QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="TopTierHustler"] [QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]

We should spend less on soft drugs and much much more on hard drugs.

No actually. We shouldnt be spending any money on keeping any drugs illegal. drug use is a victimless crime. Prohibition has never worked and it will never work ttp://i.imgur.com/2Xbq4.jpgMG]

Complete shi*e legalize all drugs and watch the us turn into a craphole

just because you legalize a drug doesnt mean everyone will start using it. the prohibition certainly isnt stopping anyone from using
#39 Posted by l4dak47 (6838 posts) -
I'm not sure anyone wants to legalize every drug. But marijuana? Kind of a no-brainer.Abbeten
What are your views on drugs such as shrooms, lsd, and basically any hallucinogen?
#40 Posted by mingmao3046 (2674 posts) -

I'm not sure anyone wants to legalize every drug. But marijuana? Kind of a no-brainer.

It'll happen at some point. Opponents of legalization are mostly older, and once they start to die off the proponents will outnumber them and politicians will adopt a more lenient stance.

Abbeten
why not legalize all drugs? what good has prohibition done?
#41 Posted by ghoklebutter (19327 posts) -

Complete shi*e legalize all drugs and watch the us turn into a crapholeEmpCom

Elaborate.

Oh, and the US is already a craphole due to the fact that nearly 300,000 US children are trafficked for sex (among other reasons).

#42 Posted by Abbeten (3132 posts) -

[QUOTE="Abbeten"]I'm not sure anyone wants to legalize every drug. But marijuana? Kind of a no-brainer.l4dak47
What are your views on drugs such as shrooms, lsd, and basically any hallucinogen?

As a rule, I'm fine with them.

#43 Posted by mingmao3046 (2674 posts) -
[QUOTE="Abbeten"][QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="Abbeten"] Because some drugs actually do turn you into a crazy homicidal lunatic.
[QUOTE="Abbeten"]I'm not sure anyone wants to legalize every drug. But marijuana? Kind of a no-brainer.l4dak47
What are your views on drugs such as shrooms, lsd, and basically any hallucinogen?

As a rule, I'm fine with them.

yes, if you abuse them. just like if you abuse alcohol you may hurt someone or drive drunk
#44 Posted by Abbeten (3132 posts) -
[QUOTE="Abbeten"]

I'm not sure anyone wants to legalize every drug. But marijuana? Kind of a no-brainer.

It'll happen at some point. Opponents of legalization are mostly older, and once they start to die off the proponents will outnumber them and politicians will adopt a more lenient stance.

mingmao3046
why not legalize all drugs? what good has prohibition done?

Because some drugs actually do turn you into a homicidal lunatic.
#45 Posted by Fightingfan (38011 posts) -
America can't beat El Chapo Guzman!
#46 Posted by l4dak47 (6838 posts) -

[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="Abbeten"]I'm not sure anyone wants to legalize every drug. But marijuana? Kind of a no-brainer.Abbeten

What are your views on drugs such as shrooms, lsd, and basically any hallucinogen?

As a rule, I'm fine with them.

Glad to hear it. I think all drugs should be decriminalized because I'm sick and tired of users being put in jail and not actually getting the help they need. And i believe that drugs such as weed, mdma, lsd, shrooms, etc should be legalized.
#47 Posted by Abbeten (3132 posts) -
[QUOTE="Abbeten"]

[QUOTE="l4dak47"] What are your views on drugs such as shrooms, lsd, and basically any hallucinogen? l4dak47

As a rule, I'm fine with them.

Glad to hear it. I think all drugs should be decriminalized because I'm sick and tired of users being put in jail and not actually getting the help they need. And i believe that drugs such as weed, mdma, lsd, shrooms, etc should be legalized.

It makes the most sense to decriminalize, stop clogging prisons with nonviolent drug offenders, and treat drug addiction like the medical condition it is.
#48 Posted by TopTierHustler (3894 posts) -

[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]

We should spend less on soft drugs and much much more on hard drugs.

mingmao3046

No actually. We shouldnt be spending any money on keeping any drugs illegal. drug use is a victimless crime. Prohibition has never worked and it will never work

soft drugs are semi victomless, and I use "semi" very loosely.

Hard drugs cause many many many problems in society, from economics to funding terrorism to general population health.

#49 Posted by Abbeten (3132 posts) -
[QUOTE="mingmao3046"] yes, if you abuse them. just like if you abuse alcohol you may hurt someone or drive drunk

I think you may have a little too rosy of an outlook on some drugs.
#50 Posted by TopTierHustler (3894 posts) -

In Portugal, all drugs have been decriminalized and the rates of drug use have either stayed the same or actually dropped off a bit. http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html l4dak47
Decriminalization is not the same thing as legalization. Not by a long shot, and the fact that many people on here can't tell the difference is flat out scary.