It is not racist to question Obama's citizenship

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#101 Posted by Ace6301 (21389 posts) -
[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] He wasn't up and coming until AFTER the address. He wasn't anything before it.

I had no idea a US senator is considered nothing these days. Maybe they saw something in him and said to themselves "Sh*t man this guys got what it takes to be president we should put our best foot forward and give him a shot". And now he's the President. Sounds like he was up and coming pretty hard (heh)

He was not a US senator at the time of the 2004 DNC. He was a STATE senator from Illinois's 13th district.

Man, even more up and coming. What a guy.
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#102 Posted by MrPraline (21351 posts) -
Is it racist to ask about Obama's work for CIA front Business International Corporation in 1983?
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#103 Posted by NEWMAHAY (3824 posts) -

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[QUOTE="Laihendi"] The constitution has no meaning if the intentions of its writers are not taken into consideration. If you don't care about what the founders thought, then you don't care about the concept of a constitutionally limited government.Laihendi

Once again you are assuming that they thought this. The sole interpretation of the constitutions belongs to the Judicial Branch (Supreme Court). They are fine with Obama being our president.

 

And once again your logic is flawed and I will post this again.

George Washington was born in what came the United States of America. He considered a natural born because he was born in a colony that became the United States of America. His parents were citizens of UK and so was he, but mattered was that he was born on what became US soil. Obama was born in the United States of America in a state of the United States of America. His father was a citizen of the UK. If this was a problem for George Washington, he wouldn't have ran along with our founding fathers. Your logic is inherently flawed. If you are questioning Obama right to be President then you are questioning George Washington.

No I am not questioning George Washington's legitimacy. The constitution explicitly distinguishes natural-born citizens from those who were citizens at the founding of the country. George Washington was in no way a natural-born citizen, but he was still eligible to be president beyond question.

... Then why did our founding fathers run even though to you they clearly stated they shouldn't?

To continue with my originial point, you can clearly see what they meant because People were born on soil that became United States of America were allowed to run. People that were born in the UK before the creation of the United States of America like Alexander Hamilton were not allowed to because he was not born on what became US soil (even though he was born before the creation of the USA).

 

Your argument is so flawed.

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#104 Posted by Goyoshi12 (9687 posts) -

He was born in Hawaii. Hawaii is apart of America. Thus he is a natural-born, US citizen.

Good lord after an election and reelection you'd think people would give up on disproving someone's birth place and just accept it. Alas, that's a bit too much and people just want to keep ping ponging back and forth on an issue that at this point in history's time makes no difference.

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#105 Posted by dave123321 (35245 posts) -
Is it racist to ask about Obama's work for CIA front Business International Corporation in 1983?MrPraline
To a lot of OT it is, sad
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#106 Posted by MrPraline (21351 posts) -
Lai, who is going to be president in 2016?dave123321
Wonder who is going to carry out G.W. Bush' fifth term.
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#107 Posted by MrPraline (21351 posts) -
[QUOTE="MrPraline"]Is it racist to ask about Obama's work for CIA front Business International Corporation in 1983?dave123321
To a lot of OT it is, sad

sad
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#108 Posted by Laihendi (5871 posts) -
[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] Ty for proving my point againDroidPhysX
How is a senate majority leader or vice-president "up-and-coming"? They are almost as high as you can go in the political echelon.

Oh lawd, the cherry picking.

That is not cherry picking. Every keynote speaker before Obama had a more prominent political position than him at the time of the speech. And going from state senator to US senator to US president in 4 years is possibly the most abrupt rise in political power in human history. Things like that don't just happen on their own.
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#109 Posted by DroidPhysX (17098 posts) -
[QUOTE="dave123321"]Lai, who is going to be president in 2016?MrPraline
Wonder who is going to carry out G.W. Bush' fifth term.

Jeb Bush 2016
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#110 Posted by nocoolnamejim (15136 posts) -
Yes, after the proper authorities certified he was an American citizen and verified the authenticity of his birth certificate then anything and everything beyond that was flagrantly racist. Demands to release the certificate publicly or provide the "long form" or whatever other crap the wild-eyed, unhinged right in this country came up with over the last 5 years or so since the authorities verified that Obama was certified to run for office the first time are absolute, blatant, and unquestionably racist.
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#111 Posted by DroidPhysX (17098 posts) -
[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] How is a senate majority leader or vice-president "up-and-coming"? They are almost as high as you can go in the political echelon.

Oh lawd, the cherry picking.

That is not cherry picking. Every keynote speaker before Obama had a more prominent political position than him at the time of the speech. And going from state senator to US senator to US president in 4 years is possibly the most abrupt rise in political power in human history. Things like that don't just happen on their own.

So either the Dems are manipulating the votes or America has some dumb voters you decide
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#112 Posted by MrPraline (21351 posts) -
[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="dave123321"]Lai, who is going to be president in 2016?DroidPhysX
Wonder who is going to carry out G.W. Bush' fifth term.

Jeb Bush 2016

rofl would be honest enough
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#113 Posted by dave123321 (35245 posts) -
[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] How is a senate majority leader or vice-president "up-and-coming"? They are almost as high as you can go in the political echelon.

Oh lawd, the cherry picking.

That is not cherry picking. Every keynote speaker before Obama had a more prominent political position than him at the time of the speech. And going from state senator to US senator to US president in 4 years is possibly the most abrupt rise in political power in human history. Things like that don't just happen on their own.

But why
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#114 Posted by Ace6301 (21389 posts) -
[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] How is a senate majority leader or vice-president "up-and-coming"? They are almost as high as you can go in the political echelon.

Oh lawd, the cherry picking.

That is not cherry picking. Every keynote speaker before Obama had a more prominent political position than him at the time of the speech. And going from state senator to US senator to US president in 4 years is possibly the most abrupt rise in political power in human history. Things like that don't just happen on their own.

Oh Rand fans. Center their belief on people who are able to rise to power quickly through charisma and strength of character but then when a guy who rose from humble beginnings to become President of the united states is a liberal (well at least according to them) they say "no he cheated".
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#115 Posted by Laihendi (5871 posts) -
[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"]Yes, after the proper authorities certified he was an American citizen and verified the authenticity of his birth certificate then anything and everything beyond that was flagrantly racist. Demands to release the certificate publicly or provide the "long form" or whatever other crap the wild-eyed, unhinged right in this country came up with over the last 5 years or so since the authorities verified that Obama was certified to run for office the first time are absolute, blatant, and unquestionably racist.

So because Obama's government says Obama is eligible to be president, that means anyone who disagrees is racist? That makes no sense.
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#116 Posted by DroidPhysX (17098 posts) -
[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"]Yes, after the proper authorities certified he was an American citizen and verified the authenticity of his birth certificate then anything and everything beyond that was flagrantly racist. Demands to release the certificate publicly or provide the "long form" or whatever other crap the wild-eyed, unhinged right in this country came up with over the last 5 years or so since the authorities verified that Obama was certified to run for office the first time are absolute, blatant, and unquestionably racist.

So because Obama's government says Obama is eligible to be president, that means anyone who disagrees is racist? That makes no sense.

No, George Bushs government says Obama is eligible to be president hurr durr
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#117 Posted by Laihendi (5871 posts) -
[QUOTE="dave123321"][QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] Oh lawd, the cherry picking.

That is not cherry picking. Every keynote speaker before Obama had a more prominent political position than him at the time of the speech. And going from state senator to US senator to US president in 4 years is possibly the most abrupt rise in political power in human history. Things like that don't just happen on their own.

But why

Because Obama never had a chance to let the voters know him and his policies before becoming president. He just gave a speech one day, and then the next day the msm was declaring that he could be the next president. If he hadn't been to heavily promoted and glamourized by the media then he would have been unnoticed like every other state senator.
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#118 Posted by BlackHawk340 (4418 posts) -

Why should it matter is he was a US citizen in the first place?

If jezus came back from the dead or even God came down and ran for president to save your country would you really be botherd with this?

 

People only question it because they dont like him for what he does, well though luck, he still won 2 elections so the majority DOES like him.

Obama is your president DEAL WITH IT.

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#119 Posted by DroidPhysX (17098 posts) -
[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="dave123321"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] That is not cherry picking. Every keynote speaker before Obama had a more prominent political position than him at the time of the speech. And going from state senator to US senator to US president in 4 years is possibly the most abrupt rise in political power in human history. Things like that don't just happen on their own.

But why

Because Obama never had a chance to let the voters know him and his policies before becoming president. He just gave a speech one day, and then the next day the msm was declaring that he could be the next president. If he hadn't been to heavily promoted and glamourized by the media then he would have been unnoticed like every other state senator.

HAHAHAAHHAAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH
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#120 Posted by Capitan_Kid (6700 posts) -

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Such an original thread.

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#121 Posted by Laihendi (5871 posts) -
[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"]Yes, after the proper authorities certified he was an American citizen and verified the authenticity of his birth certificate then anything and everything beyond that was flagrantly racist. Demands to release the certificate publicly or provide the "long form" or whatever other crap the wild-eyed, unhinged right in this country came up with over the last 5 years or so since the authorities verified that Obama was certified to run for office the first time are absolute, blatant, and unquestionably racist.

So because Obama's government says Obama is eligible to be president, that means anyone who disagrees is racist? That makes no sense.

No, George Bushs government says Obama is eligible to be president hurr durr

Obama didn't release his birth certificate until 2011, and the Bush administration was in no position to involve itself with the 2008 campaign since McCain was doing everything he could to keep from being associated with Bush. If anyone from the Bush administration had questioned Obama's legitimacy as a presidential candidate then the election would have been over right away.
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#122 Posted by Ace6301 (21389 posts) -
[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] So because Obama's government says Obama is eligible to be president, that means anyone who disagrees is racist? That makes no sense.

No, George Bushs government says Obama is eligible to be president hurr durr

Obama didn't release his birth certificate until 2011, and the Bush administration was in no position to involve itself with the 2008 campaign since McCain was doing everything he could to keep from being associated with Bush. If anyone from the Bush administration had questioned Obama's legitimacy as a presidential candidate then the election would have been over right away.

He didn't publicly release his long form birth certificate until 2011* Also I think it's funny that in the 2008 election one guy was in fact born on foreign soil. It was the old white dude.
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#123 Posted by DroidPhysX (17098 posts) -
[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] So because Obama's government says Obama is eligible to be president, that means anyone who disagrees is racist? That makes no sense.

No, George Bushs government says Obama is eligible to be president hurr durr

Obama didn't release his birth certificate until 2011, and the Bush administration was in no position to involve itself with the 2008 campaign since McCain was doing everything he could to keep from being associated with Bush. If anyone from the Bush administration had questioned Obama's legitimacy as a presidential candidate then the election would have been over right away.

So it was George Bushs government
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#124 Posted by nocoolnamejim (15136 posts) -
[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"]Yes, after the proper authorities certified he was an American citizen and verified the authenticity of his birth certificate then anything and everything beyond that was flagrantly racist. Demands to release the certificate publicly or provide the "long form" or whatever other crap the wild-eyed, unhinged right in this country came up with over the last 5 years or so since the authorities verified that Obama was certified to run for office the first time are absolute, blatant, and unquestionably racist.

So because Obama's government says Obama is eligible to be president, that means anyone who disagrees is racist? That makes no sense.

No, since the election authorities that certified him while he was CANDIDATE Obama said he was a citizen and since Chief Justice Roberts, representing the highest court in the land swore him in, he is a citizen. The certification of his citizenship for the office happened before it became "Obama's government". But here's the biggest proof, the Republican Party has accepted it. Tea Party and all. For all the sabotage of the economy, obstructionism, claims of Obama wanting to introduce socialism, etc. They haven't challenged his citizenship in any sort of meaningful fashion. Sure, you've had some backbenchers allude to it or claim it is "a reasonable question" to get idiots like you fired up and appeal to a very racist old Confederacy, but if they thought there was ANYTHING there then it would have been more than a dog whistle by now. So, yeah, people who still bring this up are some combination of either racist or stupid or both. You'll notice that nobody gives Praline half the same crap the give you, or that even some folks who tend to defend Obama in a lot of threads like Droid are willing to concede certain points or joke about some of the similarities to Bush. That's because those are LEGIT points. Not crazy conspiracy bullsh1t. Obama's foreign policy DOES have some similarities to Bush's, though he doesn't do the torture thing. It's his domestic policies that show the most difference. Nobody here is defending Obama unconditionally because we are not ideologues. We recognize his flaws and shortcomings and where he's broken certain promises he's made. Because we'd rather criticize or praise a real version of the individual with actual issues then continue whipping a dead horse made up of rage that a black, Muslim, socialist, Kenyan usurper who doesn't exist became president.

There's a reason why the lasting image of the Republican National Convention was an old white guy arguing with an imaginary version of Barack Obama.
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#125 Posted by PannicAtack (21040 posts) -
[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] So because Obama's government says Obama is eligible to be president, that means anyone who disagrees is racist? That makes no sense.

No, George Bushs government says Obama is eligible to be president hurr durr

Obama didn't release his birth certificate until 2011, and the Bush administration was in no position to involve itself with the 2008 campaign since McCain was doing everything he could to keep from being associated with Bush. If anyone from the Bush administration had questioned Obama's legitimacy as a presidential candidate then the election would have been over right away.

...His campaign released his birth certificate in 2008...
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#126 Posted by Laihendi (5871 posts) -
[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] Oh lawd, the cherry picking.

That is not cherry picking. Every keynote speaker before Obama had a more prominent political position than him at the time of the speech. And going from state senator to US senator to US president in 4 years is possibly the most abrupt rise in political power in human history. Things like that don't just happen on their own.

Oh Rand fans. Center their belief on people who are able to rise to power quickly through charisma and strength of character but then when a guy who rose from humble beginnings to become President of the united states is a liberal (well at least according to them) they say "no he cheated".

Obama has nothing to with Rand's ideal. He is a statist and a collectivist, and he has no respect for individual rights.
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#127 Posted by nocoolnamejim (15136 posts) -
[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="dave123321"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] That is not cherry picking. Every keynote speaker before Obama had a more prominent political position than him at the time of the speech. And going from state senator to US senator to US president in 4 years is possibly the most abrupt rise in political power in human history. Things like that don't just happen on their own.

But why

Because Obama never had a chance to let the voters know him and his policies before becoming president. He just gave a speech one day, and then the next day the msm was declaring that he could be the next president. If he hadn't been to heavily promoted and glamourized by the media then he would have been unnoticed like every other state senator.

And that explains how he cruised to reelection despite the worst recession in the last 80 years? Presumably the voters knew who he was after four years in office.
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#128 Posted by DroidPhysX (17098 posts) -
Boy, Lai is driving the birther, clown and LOLibertarian car at the same time.
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#129 Posted by NEWMAHAY (3824 posts) -

I hope he realizes that there has been many presidents with foreign parents.

 

Why wasn't the republican party attacking Mitt Romney? His father was born in Mexico.

 

No one questioned Woodrow Wilson, which like Obama had a parent with UK citizenship. No one questioned Andrew Jackson, Chester Arthur and James Buchanan, and the others too.

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#130 Posted by PannicAtack (21040 posts) -
I hope he realizes that there has been many presidents with foreign parents. Why wasn't the republican party attacking Mitt Romney? His father was born in Mexico. No one questioned Woodrow Wilson, which like Obama had a parent with UK citizenship. No one questioned Andrew Jackson, Chester Arthur and James Buchanan, and the others too.NEWMAHAY
Actually, people did question Chester Arthur.
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#131 Posted by MrPraline (21351 posts) -
Think this whole thing is a distraction though. I mean who really cares where he was born? I care about his treatment of civil liberties. About his drone attacks. About the innocent lives it has cost. About the Patriot Act, the NDAA and about Gitmo never closing. About his involvement with Wall Street bankers. About the White House kill list. About the complete continuation of the Bush foreign policy. Not about empty promises of hope and change, and certainly not about his place of birth.
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#132 Posted by nocoolnamejim (15136 posts) -
Think this whole thing is a distraction though. I mean who really cares where he was born? I care about his treatment of civil liberties. About his drone attacks. About the innocent lives it has cost. About the Patriot Act, the NDAA and about Gitmo never closing. About his involvement with Wall Street bankers. About the White House kill list. About the complete continuation of the Bush foreign policy. Not about empty promises of hope and change, and certainly not about his place of birth.MrPraline
To be fair, he actually tried to close Gitmo. That got killed in Congress after a large amount of demagoging about the dangers of bringing those terrorists onto U.S. soil and putting them through trials where the evidence that was obtained by torture was inadmissable. But he did at least TRY to close that place down.
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#133 Posted by Allicrombie (26185 posts) -
[QUOTE="NEWMAHAY"]I hope he realizes that there has been many presidents with foreign parents. Why wasn't the republican party attacking Mitt Romney? His father was born in Mexico. No one questioned Woodrow Wilson, which like Obama had a parent with UK citizenship. No one questioned Andrew Jackson, Chester Arthur and James Buchanan, and the others too.PannicAtack
Actually, people did question Chester Arthur.

only because he gave people Chester A Arthritis.
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#134 Posted by jimkabrhel (15621 posts) -

Apparently President Obama managed to hide his anti-American statist and collectivist policies enough from his own party to dupe them into nominating him for President. Then he duped the entire nation into electing him. After four years in the most high-profile political office in the country, he still hid his true anti-American statist and collectivist ideals to be elected again.

So what sociopolitical, science fiction, alternate history novel are you trying to write, Lai?

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#135 Posted by Ace6301 (21389 posts) -
Think this whole thing is a distraction though. I mean who really cares where he was born? I care about his treatment of civil liberties. About his drone attacks. About the innocent lives it has cost. About the Patriot Act, the NDAA and about Gitmo never closing. About his involvement with Wall Street bankers. About the White House kill list. About the complete continuation of the Bush foreign policy. Not about empty promises of hope and change, and certainly not about his place of birth.MrPraline
Well the point of it is to remove him from office. Obviously a waste of time as it hasn't achieved anything and won't achieve anything. At this point it's not just the President who is corrupt it's a great number of people in the US government.
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#136 Posted by BlackHawk340 (4418 posts) -

Even god cant become US president witch explains why it is such a bs rule.

countries should be led by people who are the best leaders not by what part of land they where born on.

 

But presidents are waste anyway, who can pay the most to the media wins. 'MURICA

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#137 Posted by Laihendi (5871 posts) -
[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"]Yes, after the proper authorities certified he was an American citizen and verified the authenticity of his birth certificate then anything and everything beyond that was flagrantly racist. Demands to release the certificate publicly or provide the "long form" or whatever other crap the wild-eyed, unhinged right in this country came up with over the last 5 years or so since the authorities verified that Obama was certified to run for office the first time are absolute, blatant, and unquestionably racist.

So because Obama's government says Obama is eligible to be president, that means anyone who disagrees is racist? That makes no sense.

No, since the election authorities that certified him while he was CANDIDATE Obama said he was a citizen and since Chief Justice Roberts, representing the highest court in the land swore him in, he is a citizen. The certification of his citizenship for the office happened before it became "Obama's government". But here's the biggest proof, the Republican Party has accepted it. Tea Party and all. For all the sabotage of the economy, obstructionism, claims of Obama wanting to introduce socialism, etc. They haven't challenged his citizenship in any sort of meaningful fashion. Sure, you've had some backbenchers allude to it or claim it is "a reasonable question" to get idiots like you fired up and appeal to a very racist old Confederacy, but if they thought there was ANYTHING there then it would have been more than a dog whistle by now. So, yeah, people who still bring this up are some combination of either racist or stupid or both. You'll notice that nobody gives Praline half the same crap the give you, or that even some folks who tend to defend Obama in a lot of threads like Droid are willing to concede certain points or joke about some of the similarities to Bush. That's because those are LEGIT points. Not crazy conspiracy bullsh1t. Obama's foreign policy DOES have some similarities to Bush's, though he doesn't do the torture thing. It's his domestic policies that show the most difference. Nobody here is defending Obama unconditionally because we are not ideologues. We recognize his flaws and shortcomings and where he's broken certain promises he's made. Because we'd rather criticize or praise a real version of the individual with actual issues then continue whipping a dead horse made up of rage that a black, Muslim, socialist, Kenyan usurper who doesn't exist. There's a reason why the lasting image of the Republican National Convention was an old white guy arguing with an imaginary version of Barack Obama.

His race has absolutely nothing to do with why it is debatable whether he is legally eligible to be president, and that is the point I am making. You are the one making this about race by accusing anyone who raises this question as being racist/stupid. It is undeniable that Obama's father was NOT a US citizen at any point of his life. That means Obama (Jr.) does not qualify as a natural-born citizen according to the definition established by Emerich de Vattel in his The Law of Nations, which is known to have been a very influential book on the founders. That means it is quite possible that the founders never intended for someone in Obama's position to even be allowed to run for president.
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#138 Posted by MrPraline (21351 posts) -
[QUOTE="MrPraline"]Think this whole thing is a distraction though. I mean who really cares where he was born? I care about his treatment of civil liberties. About his drone attacks. About the innocent lives it has cost. About the Patriot Act, the NDAA and about Gitmo never closing. About his involvement with Wall Street bankers. About the White House kill list. About the complete continuation of the Bush foreign policy. Not about empty promises of hope and change, and certainly not about his place of birth.Ace6301
Well the point of it is to remove him from office. Obviously a waste of time as it hasn't achieved anything and won't achieve anything. At this point it's not just the President who is corrupt it's a great number of people in the US government.

Yeah. And I'm convinced not much would be changed if somebody else took his seat, so I believe this whole thing is mostly a waste of time. Not a formal Illuminati conspiracy or anything, just a simple observation considering how corrupt the whole system is these days.
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#139 Posted by NEWMAHAY (3824 posts) -

[QUOTE="NEWMAHAY"]I hope he realizes that there has been many presidents with foreign parents. Why wasn't the republican party attacking Mitt Romney? His father was born in Mexico. No one questioned Woodrow Wilson, which like Obama had a parent with UK citizenship. No one questioned Andrew Jackson, Chester Arthur and James Buchanan, and the others too.PannicAtack
Actually, people did question Chester Arthur.

They questioned his actual place of birth (not the parent foreign citizenship debate)

 

"The controversy over Arthurs citizenship status centers around the place of Arthurs actual birth.  By one account he was born in his familys home in Franklin County, Vermont.  If this was true, then he was clearly a natural born citizen.  On the other hand, the competing account has it that he was born during his pregnant mothers visit to her familys home in Canada. "

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#140 Posted by BlackHawk340 (4418 posts) -

Apparently President Obama managed to hide his anti-American statist and collectivist policies enough from his own party to dupe them into nominating him for President. Then he duped the entire nation into electing him. After four years in the most high-profile political office in the country, he still hid his true anti-American statist and collectivist ideals to be elected again.

So what sociopolitical, science fiction, alternate history novel are you trying to write, Lai?

jimkabrhel

Lol these people exist.

i feel sorry for you to deal with these mofo's

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#141 Posted by worlock77 (22552 posts) -

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[QUOTE="Laihendi"] The constitution has no meaning if the intentions of its writers are not taken into consideration. If you don't care about what the founders thought, then you don't care about the concept of a constitutionally limited government.Laihendi

Once again you are assuming that they thought this. The sole interpretation of the constitutions belongs to the Judicial Branch (Supreme Court). They are fine with Obama being our president.

 

And once again your logic is flawed and I will post this again.

George Washington was born in what came the United States of America. He considered a natural born because he was born in a colony that became the United States of America. His parents were citizens of UK and so was he, but mattered was that he was born on what became US soil. Obama was born in the United States of America in a state of the United States of America. His father was a citizen of the UK. If this was a problem for George Washington, he wouldn't have ran along with our founding fathers. Your logic is inherently flawed. If you are questioning Obama right to be President then you are questioning George Washington.

No I am not questioning George Washington's legitimacy. The constitution explicitly distinguishes natural-born citizens from those who were citizens at the founding of the country. George Washington was in no way a natural-born citizen, but he was still eligible to be president beyond question. And the judicial branch does not have a monopoly on truth. It is possible for the judicial branch to be wrong (they have been many times) and even corrupt (they have been this many times as well).

Cite one example of corruption being found among Supreme Court justices.

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#142 Posted by Ace6301 (21389 posts) -
[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="MrPraline"]Think this whole thing is a distraction though. I mean who really cares where he was born? I care about his treatment of civil liberties. About his drone attacks. About the innocent lives it has cost. About the Patriot Act, the NDAA and about Gitmo never closing. About his involvement with Wall Street bankers. About the White House kill list. About the complete continuation of the Bush foreign policy. Not about empty promises of hope and change, and certainly not about his place of birth.MrPraline
Well the point of it is to remove him from office. Obviously a waste of time as it hasn't achieved anything and won't achieve anything. At this point it's not just the President who is corrupt it's a great number of people in the US government.

Yeah. And I'm convinced not much would be changed if somebody else took his seat, so I believe this whole thing is mostly a waste of time. Not a formal Illuminati conspiracy or anything, just a simple observation considering how corrupt the whole system is these days.

Oh yeah for sure. People realized they can make huge profit and of course they put aside principals and went for the money. The system needs some changes for it to work properly and as much as people like Lai would hate to admit that would require going against what the founding fathers laid out.
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#143 Posted by Hallenbeck77 (15023 posts) -

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="NEWMAHAY"]I hope he realizes that there has been many presidents with foreign parents. Why wasn't the republican party attacking Mitt Romney? His father was born in Mexico. No one questioned Woodrow Wilson, which like Obama had a parent with UK citizenship. No one questioned Andrew Jackson, Chester Arthur and James Buchanan, and the others too.Allicrombie
Actually, people did question Chester Arthur.

only because he gave people Chester A Arthritis.

*insert rimshot here*

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#144 Posted by nocoolnamejim (15136 posts) -
[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] So because Obama's government says Obama is eligible to be president, that means anyone who disagrees is racist? That makes no sense.

No, since the election authorities that certified him while he was CANDIDATE Obama said he was a citizen and since Chief Justice Roberts, representing the highest court in the land swore him in, he is a citizen. The certification of his citizenship for the office happened before it became "Obama's government". But here's the biggest proof, the Republican Party has accepted it. Tea Party and all. For all the sabotage of the economy, obstructionism, claims of Obama wanting to introduce socialism, etc. They haven't challenged his citizenship in any sort of meaningful fashion. Sure, you've had some backbenchers allude to it or claim it is "a reasonable question" to get idiots like you fired up and appeal to a very racist old Confederacy, but if they thought there was ANYTHING there then it would have been more than a dog whistle by now. So, yeah, people who still bring this up are some combination of either racist or stupid or both. You'll notice that nobody gives Praline half the same crap the give you, or that even some folks who tend to defend Obama in a lot of threads like Droid are willing to concede certain points or joke about some of the similarities to Bush. That's because those are LEGIT points. Not crazy conspiracy bullsh1t. Obama's foreign policy DOES have some similarities to Bush's, though he doesn't do the torture thing. It's his domestic policies that show the most difference. Nobody here is defending Obama unconditionally because we are not ideologues. We recognize his flaws and shortcomings and where he's broken certain promises he's made. Because we'd rather criticize or praise a real version of the individual with actual issues then continue whipping a dead horse made up of rage that a black, Muslim, socialist, Kenyan usurper who doesn't exist. There's a reason why the lasting image of the Republican National Convention was an old white guy arguing with an imaginary version of Barack Obama.

His race has absolutely nothing to do with why it is debatable whether he is legally eligible to be president, and that is the point I am making. You are the one making this about race by accusing anyone who raises this question as being racist/stupid. It is undeniable that Obama's father was NOT a US citizen at any point of his life. That means Obama (Jr.) does not qualify as a natural-born citizen according to the definition established by Emerich de Vattel in his The Law of Nations, which is known to have been a very influential book on the founders. That means it is quite possible that the founders never intended for someone in Obama's position to even be allowed to run for president.

Emerich de Vattel was not a U.S. citizen. He was Swiss. Aljosa quoted you the relevant U.S. legal statute about four posts into this thread. As the Founding Fathers are dead and the practice of Necromantic Divination has not yet been recognized as valid by the scientific or legal communities we're forced to rely on such extremist traditions as the current definition of a natural born citizen as interpreted by the election authorities and the Supreme Court. Both have spoken on the matter. TWICE. So, yeah, continuing to search for reasons that Obama isn't qualified to be president by questioning his citizenship is, as I said, either racist or stupid or both.
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#145 Posted by Laihendi (5871 posts) -

Apparently President Obama managed to hide his anti-American statist and collectivist policies enough from his own party to dupe them into nominating him for President. Then he duped the entire nation into electing him. After four years in the most high-profile political office in the country, he still hid his true anti-American statist and collectivist ideals to be elected again.

So what sociopolitical, science fiction, alternate history novel are you trying to write, Lai?

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Considering that Romney didn't even offer substantial policy differences from Obama it's a wonder that he even did as well as he did. Anyways voter turnout in 2012 was down by millions compared to 2008 and Obama's victory was narrower as well. Also Romney's campaign after having the nomination secured was terrible. It was completely out of character with his 2008 and early 2012 campaigns and I don't see how anyone could listen to/watch some of his campaign's blunders without asking if he was even really trying to win.
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#146 Posted by lostrib (49999 posts) -

Honestly, what is your final goal with this kind of criticism/accusation of obama?

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#147 Posted by BlackHawk340 (4418 posts) -

[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="Ace6301"] Well the point of it is to remove him from office. Obviously a waste of time as it hasn't achieved anything and won't achieve anything. At this point it's not just the President who is corrupt it's a great number of people in the US government. Ace6301
Yeah. And I'm convinced not much would be changed if somebody else took his seat, so I believe this whole thing is mostly a waste of time. Not a formal Illuminati conspiracy or anything, just a simple observation considering how corrupt the whole system is these days.

Oh yeah for sure. People realized they can make huge profit and of course they put aside principals and went for the money. The system needs some changes for it to work properly and as much as people like Lai would hate to admit that would require going against what the founding fathers laid out.

Persons in the govement should be in there for the intrests of the people and not for their own.

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#148 Posted by Perfect_Blue (28526 posts) -

Honestly, what is your final goal with this kind of criticism/accusation of obama?

lostrib

To troll the denizens of OT while eating cheetos and masturbating to Elijah Wood pictures in his parents basement.

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#149 Posted by lostrib (49999 posts) -

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

Honestly, what is your final goal with this kind of criticism/accusation of obama?

Aljosa23

To troll the denizens of OT while eating cheetos and masturbating to Elijah Wood pictures in his parents basement.

hmmm, I understand why someone would do all of that excep the Elijah Wood.  I mean seriosly? who gets off to Frodo?

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#150 Posted by PannicAtack (21040 posts) -

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

Honestly, what is your final goal with this kind of criticism/accusation of obama?

lostrib

To troll the denizens of OT while eating cheetos and masturbating to Elijah Wood pictures in his parents basement.

hmmm, I understand why someone would do all of that excep the Elijah Wood.  I mean seriosly? who gets off to Frodo?

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