Israel or Palestine?

#201 Posted by The_Last_Ride (74449 posts) -

@thegerg: Really? You just linked me the damn thing that supported my claims...

#202 Posted by thegerg (16060 posts) -

@The_Last_Ride said:

@thegerg: Really? You just linked me the damn thing that supported my claims...

No. I linked to a few sources that showed that Israeli deaths are higher than you're trying to claim. How do sources that contradict what you claim support your claim?

#203 Edited by EPICCOMMANDER (844 posts) -
@The_Last_Ride said:

@thegerg: alright, give me a link that shows that during the last two weeks that more than one have died because of a rocket from Hamas.

There's not many civillian casualties because Israel is about 100x more advanced than the technology Hamas has. The IDF has anti-missile systems that intercept and destroy most of the rockets. The ones that do hit rarely kill anyone because, again, Israel is more advanced and has numerous bunkers for civillians, and I actually believe all structures in Israel are required by law to have a bomb shelter. Not only that, but there's an advanced siren system to warn the Israelis of rocket attacks.

Oh and actually, there are very few true "civillians" in Israel. Here's an article from the C.I.A. world factbook on Israel's military. Here's the link too.

18 years of age for compulsory (Jews, Druzes) military service; 17 years of age for voluntary (Christians, Muslims, Circassians) military service; both sexes are obligated to military service; conscript service obligation - 36 months for enlisted men, 21 months for enlisted women, 48 months for officers; pilots commit to 9 years service; reserve obligation to age 41-51 (men), 24 (women) (2013)

So, most Israelis, (I say most because Jews comprise 75% of the population in Israel, and only Jews are required to serve as stated above) 18 years or older are actually highly trained in basically all forms of mdoern combat and know where to be when a rocket attack occurs. This is why the IDF is one of the most advance militaries in the world.

#204 Posted by Jebus213 (8922 posts) -

Solution: Stop launching rockets into Israel.

#205 Edited by Jebus213 (8922 posts) -
@chocolate234 said:

The fact that 2 soldiers who are from America were killed in Gaza was big news in America today

Why should anybody give a fuck? They died fighting for Israel. Their national identity is Israeli.

That must have been big news on Fox News. Merica's #1 news channel.

#206 Posted by SYSTEM-REBOOT (658 posts) -

@Jebus213 said:

Solution: Stop launching rockets into Israel.

They will stop once israel will stop bombarding civillians.

#207 Posted by The_Last_Ride (74449 posts) -

@thegerg said:

@The_Last_Ride said:

@thegerg: Really? You just linked me the damn thing that supported my claims...

No. I linked to a few sources that showed that Israeli deaths are higher than you're trying to claim. How do sources that contradict what you claim support your claim?

No, because what i linked was civilians killed, not soldiers like Hamas or Israeli soldiers. So i am still correct

#208 Posted by LJS9502_basic (152422 posts) -

@system-reboot said:

@Jebus213 said:

Solution: Stop launching rockets into Israel.

They will stop once israel will stop bombarding civillians.

Ugh.....get your head out of the sand.

#209 Posted by SYSTEM-REBOOT (658 posts) -

@LJS9502_basic said:

@system-reboot said:

@Jebus213 said:

Solution: Stop launching rockets into Israel.

They will stop once israel will stop bombarding civillians.

Ugh.....get your head out of the sand.

so only one nation has rights to defend? other not? the one who is powerful who has rights to defend while other who is underdog cant?

#210 Posted by LJS9502_basic (152422 posts) -

@system-reboot said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@system-reboot said:

@Jebus213 said:

Solution: Stop launching rockets into Israel.

They will stop once israel will stop bombarding civillians.

Ugh.....get your head out of the sand.

so only one nation has rights to defend? other not? the one who is powerful who has rights to defend while other who is underdog cant?

Well if you paid attention to facts you would know that HAMAS generally fires the first rocket. So your little close minded POV is wrong.

#211 Edited by SYSTEM-REBOOT (658 posts) -

@LJS9502_basic said:

@system-reboot said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@system-reboot said:

@Jebus213 said:

Solution: Stop launching rockets into Israel.

They will stop once israel will stop bombarding civillians.

Ugh.....get your head out of the sand.

so only one nation has rights to defend? other not? the one who is powerful who has rights to defend while other who is underdog cant?

Well if you paid attention to facts you would know that HAMAS generally fires the first rocket. So your little close minded POV is wrong.

What Hamas did is wrong. what israel did is wrong too.

#212 Posted by LJS9502_basic (152422 posts) -

@system-reboot said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

Well if you paid attention to facts you would know that HAMAS generally fires the first rocket. So your little close minded POV is wrong.

What Hamas did is wrong. what israel did is wrong too.

What would you do if someone continued to fire into your property?

#213 Posted by SYSTEM-REBOOT (658 posts) -

@LJS9502_basic said:

What would you do if someone continued to fire into your property?

What would you do if someone continued to bombard your city cause 600 civilian casuality?

Israel army is war criminal nothing more. they have illegally occupy a land.

#214 Posted by thegerg (16060 posts) -

@The_Last_Ride said:

@thegerg said:

@The_Last_Ride said:

@thegerg: Really? You just linked me the damn thing that supported my claims...

No. I linked to a few sources that showed that Israeli deaths are higher than you're trying to claim. How do sources that contradict what you claim support your claim?

No, because what i linked was civilians killed, not soldiers like Hamas or Israeli soldiers. So i am still correct

You didn't link to anything, You posted a simplistic graphic with incorrect stats. The numbers that you have been claiming are not correct.

#215 Posted by LJS9502_basic (152422 posts) -

@system-reboot said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

What would you do if someone continued to fire into your property?

What would you do if someone continued to bombard your city cause 600 civilian casuality?

Israel army is war criminal nothing more. they have illegally occupy a land.

Ah you fall for the propaganda. You know most of those so called civilian casualties are thought to be HAMAS?

#216 Posted by SYSTEM-REBOOT (658 posts) -

@LJS9502_basic said:

Ah you fall for the propaganda. You know most of those so called civilian casualties are thought to be HAMAS?

No. most of casuality are civillian beside if israel continue to attack palestine. so hamas has rights to defend. all i see is 600 casuality mostly include children.

#217 Edited by Jebus213 (8922 posts) -
@system-reboot said:
@Jebus213 said:

Solution: Stop launching rockets into Israel.

They will stop once israel will stop bombarding civillians.

Hahaha what a load of bullshit.

#218 Posted by EPICCOMMANDER (844 posts) -
@system-reboot said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

What would you do if someone continued to fire into your property?

What would you do if someone continued to bombard your city cause 600 civilian casuality?

Agree to the ceasefire that Israel had on the table. But no, Hamas launched rockets and tried to attack Israeli citizens through underground tunnels.

#219 Posted by thebest31406 (3586 posts) -

One's illegally occupying land (violating international law), the other isn't. There's no semmetry here.

#220 Edited by LJS9502_basic (152422 posts) -

@system-reboot said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

Ah you fall for the propaganda. You know most of those so called civilian casualties are thought to be HAMAS?

No. most of casuality are civillian beside if israel continue to attack palestine. so hamas has rights to defend. all i see is 600 casuality mostly include children.

I recommend reading a non biased site. The majority of casualties are young males. Not women. Not children. Fail.

#221 Posted by The_Last_Ride (74449 posts) -

@thegerg said:

@The_Last_Ride said:

@thegerg said:

@The_Last_Ride said:

@thegerg: Really? You just linked me the damn thing that supported my claims...

No. I linked to a few sources that showed that Israeli deaths are higher than you're trying to claim. How do sources that contradict what you claim support your claim?

No, because what i linked was civilians killed, not soldiers like Hamas or Israeli soldiers. So i am still correct

You didn't link to anything, You posted a simplistic graphic with incorrect stats. The numbers that you have been claiming are not correct.

http://news.yahoo.com/palestinian-death-toll-gaza-reaches-508-090313038.html

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/22/gaza-crisis-john-kerry-and-ban-ki-moon-step-up-attempts-to-broker-ceasefire-live-updates

http://rt.com/news/174632-deaths-israeli-gaza-operation/

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israelgaza-conflict-palestinian-dead-now-number-500--but-israel-fights-on-9619901.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/10978737/Gaza-conflict-Palestinian-death-toll-soars-as-Israel-pounds-north.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/palestinian-death-toll-from-hostilities-with-israel-tops-500-gaza-officials-say/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/21/mideast-conflict-palestinian-death-toll_n_5604573.html

http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-israeli-shelling-rocks-gaza-20140721-story.html

you want me to continue? ALL of them report over 500 deaths...

#222 Posted by thegerg (16060 posts) -

@The_Last_Ride: There you go! Posting something with substance! Anyway, nothing in that post contradicts anything I've posted.

#223 Posted by The_Last_Ride (74449 posts) -

@thegerg said:

@The_Last_Ride: There you go! Posting something with substance! Anyway, nothing in that post contradicts anything I've posted.

Yes, because you said there was nothing behind my photo, which all of these links support. Israel is invading and killing children. All they do is put the blame on Hamas when they're the ones firing and killing them

#224 Posted by thegerg (16060 posts) -

@The_Last_Ride: At no point did I say there is nothing behind your photo. Again, cut the bullshit. Stick to the facts. Why do you think that continuing to lie lends support to your claims?

#225 Posted by The_Last_Ride (74449 posts) -

@thegerg said:

@The_Last_Ride: At no point did I say there is nothing behind your photo. Again, cut the bullshit. Stick to the facts. Why do you think that continuing to lie lends support to your claims?

when have i lied? Please enlighten me

#226 Posted by kalloo (194 posts) -

Palestine. I don't see how anyone can side with an apartheid and racist state like Israel. Yes Hamas fires rockets into Israel and it IS WRONG, but Hamas is a by product of Israeli occupation.

#227 Edited by br0kenrabbit (13493 posts) -

What we need is a natural disaster to sink that whole region into the sea. Then what are they going to fight over?

#228 Posted by EPICCOMMANDER (844 posts) -
@br0kenrabbit said:

What we need is a natural disaster to sink that whole region into the sea. Then what are they going to fight over?

Wow the earth is butchering children. It has no right to do that.....lulz.

#229 Posted by br0kenrabbit (13493 posts) -

@EPICCOMMANDER said:

Wow the earth is butchering children. It has no right to do that.....lulz.

They'll blame it on HAARP/the US, mark my word.

#230 Posted by EPICCOMMANDER (844 posts) -
@br0kenrabbit said:

@EPICCOMMANDER said:

Wow the earth is butchering children. It has no right to do that.....lulz.

They'll blame it on HAARP/the US, mark my word.

Lol. HAARP

#231 Posted by PurpleLabel (314 posts) -

People are actually defending hamas in this thread? Man the world is full of idiots.

#232 Posted by thegerg (16060 posts) -

@The_Last_Ride said:

@thegerg said:

@The_Last_Ride: At no point did I say there is nothing behind your photo. Again, cut the bullshit. Stick to the facts. Why do you think that continuing to lie lends support to your claims?

when have i lied? Please enlighten me

"You just linked me the damn thing that supported my claims"

"No, because what i linked was civilians killed"

"Palestine are recieving heavy casualties and death's while Isreal has had one so far."

"there have only been one casualty from Israel"

"Those weren't civilian casualties."

""Two Israeli civilians have also been killed. Israel's Iron Dome defense system helps protect its residents from missile attacks." Which again supports my point"

"I think this picture says it all"

"you said there was nothing behind my photo"

All of these statements are untrue. I may be mistaken about you lying, you may just be horribly ignorant. I find it hard to believe, though, that one can post so much incorrect bullshit in one thread without a desire to intentionally mislead people. If you're simply ignorant and not a liar, please forgive me.

#233 Posted by LJS9502_basic (152422 posts) -

@thegerg: I think he's from the ME. Most of the people here who share that ethnicity have facts filtered for them. Now I would suggest they read independent information but generally they represent the divide between the two groups of people. Shame really....nothing get solved when you bury your head in the sand because it's convenient.

#234 Posted by The_Last_Ride (74449 posts) -

@thegerg said:

@The_Last_Ride said:

@thegerg said:

@The_Last_Ride: At no point did I say there is nothing behind your photo. Again, cut the bullshit. Stick to the facts. Why do you think that continuing to lie lends support to your claims?

when have i lied? Please enlighten me

"You just linked me the damn thing that supported my claims"

"No, because what i linked was civilians killed"

"Palestine are recieving heavy casualties and death's while Isreal has had one so far."

"there have only been one casualty from Israel"

"Those weren't civilian casualties."

""Two Israeli civilians have also been killed. Israel's Iron Dome defense system helps protect its residents from missile attacks." Which again supports my point"

"I think this picture says it all"

"you said there was nothing behind my photo"

All of these statements are untrue. I may be mistaken about you lying, you may just be horribly ignorant. I find it hard to believe, though, that one can post so much incorrect bullshit in one thread without a desire to intentionally mislead people. If you're simply ignorant and not a liar, please forgive me.

Wow... I just linked everything that supports my facts and you call me ignorant. Jesus, i don't want to live in your close minded world, have a nice day

#235 Edited by thegerg (16060 posts) -

@The_Last_Ride said:

@thegerg said:

@The_Last_Ride said:

@thegerg said:

@The_Last_Ride: At no point did I say there is nothing behind your photo. Again, cut the bullshit. Stick to the facts. Why do you think that continuing to lie lends support to your claims?

when have i lied? Please enlighten me

"You just linked me the damn thing that supported my claims"

"No, because what i linked was civilians killed"

"Palestine are recieving heavy casualties and death's while Isreal has had one so far."

"there have only been one casualty from Israel"

"Those weren't civilian casualties."

""Two Israeli civilians have also been killed. Israel's Iron Dome defense system helps protect its residents from missile attacks." Which again supports my point"

"I think this picture says it all"

"you said there was nothing behind my photo"

All of these statements are untrue. I may be mistaken about you lying, you may just be horribly ignorant. I find it hard to believe, though, that one can post so much incorrect bullshit in one thread without a desire to intentionally mislead people. If you're simply ignorant and not a liar, please forgive me.

Wow... I just linked everything that supports my facts and you call me ignorant. Jesus, i don't want to live in your close minded world, have a nice day

None of the statements I quoted in that post are untrue. Nothing that you linked changes that. Cut the bullshit, admit that you were wrong.

#236 Posted by The_Last_Ride (74449 posts) -

@thegerg: No... Because i weren't i said over a thousand were injured in Palestine, CHECK! Over 500 dead, CHECK! Israel having almost no civilian casualties, CHECK! When was i wrong?

#237 Posted by thegerg (16060 posts) -

@The_Last_Ride said:

@thegerg: No... Because i weren't i said over a thousand were injured in Palestine, CHECK! Over 500 dead, CHECK! Israel having almost no civilian casualties, CHECK! When was i wrong?

You were wrong when you said things like:

"You just linked me the damn thing that supported my claims"

"No, because what i linked was civilians killed"

"Palestine are recieving heavy casualties and death's while Isreal has had one so far."

"there have only been one casualty from Israel"

"Those weren't civilian casualties."

"this picture says it all"

"you said there was nothing behind my photo"

All of those statements are factually incorrect.

#238 Posted by BSC14 (4147 posts) -

@

@Jacanuk said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@Jacanuk said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

You aren't series. You clearly have a bias. Read your posts again. Hell this is the first time I've seen your posts and I can already tell what you back.

Do you really want to argue about if its bad that women and children are being murdered because of some bombings that are as futile as the Hamas rockets are in hitting the actual targets?

I hope you are not seriously suggesting that we even need to have a debate about that and there is absolute no justification for such an atrocious act no matter who does it.

Straw man. I have had no such discussion with you. But if you attack another country stands to reason you will have casualties. And an appeal to emotion doesn't change that.

I think you need to read up on what a Strawman actually is before using it in a debate where it has no place.

Also you really need to get a better understanding of the whole situation, its not the gaza people attacking Israel and its not 2 countries in war, its one of the worlds best trained and most advanced armed military against a bunch of peasants with some home made rockets from the 70´s who couldn't hit a target if it was 20 yeards from it.

It is as i said like sitting in a tank and then having someone throw pebbles on the it. and instead of stepping outside and finding the culprits calling in an airstrike.

I honestly don't know enough about the whole history between the two and how things have gotten to where they are today...I'm just familiar with things after WW2. So I'm staying out of who is right or wrong.

That said, I find it interesting that you're defending people because they are bad at killing. As if someone were planning on bashing you in the head with a rock and you had a loaded gun in your hand, you wouldn't use it? Israel is not supposed to their recourses to defend their selves? Or do you want Israel to maybe badly train some civilians to make crappy home made rockets to go after these guys to make it more fair?

And doesn't Israel get hit with car bombs all the time at supermarkets and whatnot?

#239 Posted by The_Last_Ride (74449 posts) -

@thegerg: no, they're not. You linked something that was suppose to debunk my claims of that civilians were killed in Israel, and it didn't. It linked to 24 soldiers being killed.The links i linked DID show how many civilians were killed by the palestinians. So it was two, what's the big deal? Two civilians instead of one, BIG MIStAKE according to you... And still, the link you provided did not say they were civlians, they were soldiers... And my photo was more right than you. And no they're not. I just debunked everything you said except one

#240 Posted by LJS9502_basic (152422 posts) -

@The_Last_Ride said:

@thegerg: no, they're not. You linked something that was suppose to debunk my claims of that civilians were killed in Israel, and it didn't. It linked to 24 soldiers being killed.The links i linked DID show how many civilians were killed by the palestinians. So it was two, what's the big deal? Two civilians instead of one, BIG MIStAKE according to you... And still, the link you provided did not say they were civlians, they were soldiers... And my photo was more right than you. And no they're not. I just debunked everything you said except one

Actually HAMAS reports most deaths....even of their own soldiers as civilian for propaganda. You really should do some independent research dude.

#241 Posted by thegerg (16060 posts) -

@The_Last_Ride said:

@thegerg: no, they're not. You linked something that was suppose to debunk my claims of that civilians were killed in Israel, and it didn't. It linked to 24 soldiers being killed.The links i linked DID show how many civilians were killed by the palestinians. So it was two, what's the big deal? Two civilians instead of one, BIG MIStAKE according to you... And still, the link you provided did not say they were civlians, they were soldiers... And my photo was more right than you. And no they're not. I just debunked everything you said except one

You seem to be very confused. Both of the articles I linked (one from Al-Jazeera:"Eighteen Israeli soldiers, including seven on Monday, and two civilians have died.", one from CNN:"Two Israeli civilians have also been killed.") mentioned civilian causalities.

"I just debunked everything you said except one"

No you did not. Stop fucking lying. Have some respect for yourself and the rest of us. Be an adult, be honest.

#243 Posted by The_Last_Ride (74449 posts) -

@thegerg said:

@The_Last_Ride said:

@thegerg: no, they're not. You linked something that was suppose to debunk my claims of that civilians were killed in Israel, and it didn't. It linked to 24 soldiers being killed.The links i linked DID show how many civilians were killed by the palestinians. So it was two, what's the big deal? Two civilians instead of one, BIG MIStAKE according to you... And still, the link you provided did not say they were civlians, they were soldiers... And my photo was more right than you. And no they're not. I just debunked everything you said except one

You seem to be very confused. Both of the articles I linked (one from Al-Jazeera:"Eighteen Israeli soldiers, including seven on Monday, and two civilians have died.", one from CNN:"Two Israeli civilians have also been killed.") mentioned civilian causalities.

"I just debunked everything you said except one"

No you did not. Stop fucking lying. Have some respect for yourself and the rest of us. Be an adult, be honest.

Wow... So three civilians died, how am i still so wrong? There have been people killed since i posted that picture. Stop being rude and face facts. Palestinians are getting slaughtered...

#244 Posted by thegerg (16060 posts) -

@The_Last_Ride said:

@thegerg said:

@The_Last_Ride said:

@thegerg: no, they're not. You linked something that was suppose to debunk my claims of that civilians were killed in Israel, and it didn't. It linked to 24 soldiers being killed.The links i linked DID show how many civilians were killed by the palestinians. So it was two, what's the big deal? Two civilians instead of one, BIG MIStAKE according to you... And still, the link you provided did not say they were civlians, they were soldiers... And my photo was more right than you. And no they're not. I just debunked everything you said except one

You seem to be very confused. Both of the articles I linked (one from Al-Jazeera:"Eighteen Israeli soldiers, including seven on Monday, and two civilians have died.", one from CNN:"Two Israeli civilians have also been killed.") mentioned civilian causalities.

"I just debunked everything you said except one"

No you did not. Stop fucking lying. Have some respect for yourself and the rest of us. Be an adult, be honest.

Wow... So three civilians died, how am i still so wrong? There have been people killed since i posted that picture. Stop being rude and face facts. Palestinians are getting slaughtered...

"how am i still so wrong?"

Because you choose to not concern yourself with facts when posting.

"Stop being rude and face facts."

You're the one telling lies and moving goalposts. You're the one that needs to stop being rude.

"Palestinians are getting slaughtered..."

At no pint have I said otherwise.

#245 Edited by Aljosa23 (25999 posts) -

This thread's premise is counter productive. This conflict shouldn't be black and white and based off "sides". Both governments are deplorable, Hamas for being impossible to negotiate with (among a lot of violence) and Israel for their illegal settlements on Palestinian lands and the quasi-apartheid state they've created. This conflict is older than everyone here and too complicated to point fingers to just one side.

#246 Posted by Xeno_ghost (696 posts) -

^^This.

#247 Posted by udUbdaWgz1 (633 posts) -

lol, when people realize that palestine has never been a country and is being used as sloppy political slop, then, things will get better.

#248 Edited by The_Last_Ride (74449 posts) -

@thegerg: uhm i have been right, except for the number of civilians killed on the israelic side by a few, i was right on everything else yet you don't acknowledge i was right then and you are basicly arguing over a few death's i got wrong, i don't know why the hell you think i am lying or moving the goal post when i have been saying the same thing the whole time... Even if it were 10, the numbers favor Israel in this war. Is it good that there are so few civilian death's on their side? Off course! But not compared to palestinians getting killed. I don't know why you are calling me a liar for getting it wrong by a few jeez!

#249 Edited by thegerg (16060 posts) -

@The_Last_Ride said:

@thegerg: uhm i have been right, except for the number of civilians killed on the israelic side by a few, i was right on everything else yet you don't acknowledge i was right then and you are basicly arguing over a few death's i got wrong, i don't know why the hell you think i am lying or moving the goal post when i have been saying the same thing the whole time... Even if it were 10, the numbers favor Israel in this war. Is it good that there are so few civilian death's on their side? Off course! But not compared to palestinians getting killed. I don't know why you are calling me a liar for getting it wrong by a few jeez!

This is a list of things that you posted that are wrong. Stop lying.

"You just linked me the damn thing that supported my claims"

"No, because what i linked was civilians killed"

"Palestine are recieving heavy casualties and death's while Isreal has had one so far."

"there have only been one casualty from Israel"

"Those weren't civilian casualties."

"this picture says it all"

"you said there was nothing behind my photo"

"You linked something that was suppose to debunk my claims of that civilians were killed in Israel, and it didn't."

"Two civilians instead of one, BIG MIStAKE according to you."

"And still, the link you provided did not say they were civlians, they were soldiers."

"I just debunked everything you said except one"

"i was right on everything else yet you don't acknowledge i was right then and you are basicly arguing over a few death's i got wrong,"

All of those statements are factually incorrect. You're a liar because you continue to post BS like this and you refuse to even address the fact that you are wrong.

"I don't know why you are calling me a liar for getting it wrong by a few jeez!"

That's not why I'm calling you a liar. You're a liar because you have a habit of regularly posting factually incorrect bullshit, then denying that it's wrong after it's pointed out to you that it is.

#250 Posted by udUbdaWgz1 (633 posts) -

lol, i still laugh everytime fools want to talk about israel: the small non-muslim country in the middle of tyranny and muslim rule.

the obvious answer is: lol, pluck em and try me.

lol at the world and its HATE towards such a small non-muslim country, lololol.

go muslims go. go muslims go.