Israel launches ground invasion of Gaza...again

tell me, what is "Palestine" ?

Block of land. And Palestinians do support HAMAS.

Hardly and hardly

I don't get one thing , everything was normal presently , why HAMAS had to murder those three israel kids ? They very well knew ISRAEL would react violently to this.

HAMAS denying involvement in the murders. Israel saying they did this tho.

Most of you here think this feud began in the last two weeks. Everyday Palestinians have to put up with Israelis killing murdering assaulting arresting women and children. They treat them like animals, no, worse! Israel are an illegal occupation and even real jews themselves protest against the state of Israel. This whole Zionist regime wants to see all Arabs dead. And to all you people justifying why Israel has MURDERED innocents ON PURPOSE, shame on you. All the bull about how Hamas hides in civilians homes and that's why there are civilians casualties, so then how about the recent bombing on the beach when three kids were playing football? Israel are scum. Ever since the Palestinians welcomed them. And when I say Israel I mean the government and those who support the killings of innocents. Not Jews.

@thegerg:

well your bloody acting like it

There is never a case where an entire group of people within a border support one political or authoritarian entity. The Israeli-Arab conflict is so damn deep and confusing that to paint the picture as good vs bad, aggressor vs victim, savage vs civilized, Muslim vs Judaism etc will only lead to a deficient view of the conflict. .

lol no. nope nope nope

on the one hand , they did win the election in 2006, but then , that was 8 years ago , there should have been elections since then and Im not quite sure Hamas would win today (unless they compete on the "who hates Israel more" platform, which happens)

although even if they don't, Hamas rules Gaza in a way that the opinion of the average person mean nothing in regards to these matters , even if Gazans generally want a ceasefire, the real power is in the hand of the hotheaded people who run Hamas' military (and I do call it a de facto military or army of sorts, in the same way I would say Gaza is a de facto state)

you know, you don't have to reply to and engage with every single poster against israel.

This one seems more than just against Israel.

Even in 2006 though a majority of Palestinians voted against Hamas.

they didn't win a majority, but they were the single largest party at some 44% , not too different from the 1933 elections in Germany actually.

That's a fair comparison, but there is a bit of a difference in that Hitler still needed to be appointed to the Chancellorship by Hindenburg - the Nazi's weren't able to take control of Germany outright solely through the ballot box. Aside from the fact that there hasn't been elections in quite some time, Hamas never needed to form a coalition to take control of the PLC despite having not won a majority of the vote, they were able to do it outright because of a dysfunctional electoral system. If the PNA had full on proportional representation like in Israel it'd be hard to imagine Hamas actually being able to form and maintain a majority coalition in the legislature. It's much easier to imagine a sustainable Fatah-led coalition.

@-Sun_Tzu-:

remember that they also staged what was basically a coup in Gaza in 2007, so they don't need democracy anyway.

Don't worry. They will leave some Muslims for you to kill and come back home proud.

Because killing civilians is not self defense. It's war crime. Not that Israel is committing a war crime but this killing spree certainly can't be considered "defense." Mistake maybe but not defense.

Oh I didn't know.

It's pointless to argue with this type of american on this subject. It basically works like this: When the state being attacked is U.S or Israel they have every right to invade even foreign lands and be the bear but if the state being attacked is Pakistan Iraq Iran etc. you are stripped of all those rights.

@alim298: Hamas places their rocket launchers in civilian areas and shoots them at Israel knowing full well Israel is going to shoot back. Hamas does not care about the people that get killed. They start all of these actions and when they are getting their asses kicked they run for the world sympathy on civilian deaths. How many times has the same scene played out. Some cultures hide behind their women and children when they start aggression. That is what is happening here.

@ps4hasnogames: Since the mods did an awesome job not deleting you insolent and hateful post I chose to respond to you personally

First of all tell me how I'm being brainwashed considering that I stand against both IDF and Hamas?

Secondly tell me you didn't just justify killing of kids and civilians because Hamas is going to throw some fart sounds at Israel.

Thirdly tell me you have not heard of the three kids killed playing on beach because then not only is your sense of morality questioned (again) but also is your knowledge of geology.

Fourthly licking Israeli boot is kids' doing.Grow out of it.

Finally ps4 has a lot of games. Don't be stupid and brainwashed.

@JimB: Yeah but that doesn't make what Israel is doing any less evil. At least that's how I see it.

A state has every right to defend itself. What part of my post conveyed that I think otherwise? No matter, I said it clear now.

Yeah sorry. I got carried away. Again.

No I'm not saying such thing. Kill as many armed men as you want.

EDIT:Did you just edit your post? ok fine.

"When you posted "May those who caused this burn in hell. Alongside anyone who says Israel has the right to kill 270 people in defense." I see now what you are saying."

Yeah I said that followed by this:

"This isn't even the militia death toll you damned people. These are all civilians for God's sake..."

I thought all those kills were civilians. Turns out I'm mistaken. I'm not slamming Israel for killing militias. I slammed it for killing civilians.

What does any of this have to do with the fact that if you antagonize something enough, it will react to you?

Israel has a sovereign right to defend itself. That is what they're doing.

@LJS9502_basic:

There are other ways to solve the problem than to kill anf bomb all the civilians. If you think its about hamas throwing pebbles, then you are confused

retards like you are still taking the bait

This conflict will never end because it's rooted in religious ideology. Judaism says that God gave the land of Israel/ Palestine to the Isrealites, the supposed ancestors of modern day Jews. However, Islam says that Muslims must fight for whatever land they have gained possession of; Muslims gained possession of the land of Israel/ Palestine during the Crusades. Hence, so as long as both religious groups exist, this conflict will never end. I say to hell with them both; hopefully they destroy each other in a nuclear Holocaust. Religion is bullshit.

If you're the sane human being then yes I definitely am a retard.

You sound much worse than any religious extremist. I have much more respect for Hamas than people like you.

Israel and zionism is a war crime itself. Im really surprised the UN or any country is doing anything about it. They are just watching it happen. Sad really how things like this are happening in this day and age.

When is the last time the UN has actually done anything? Seriously.

Well if God came back he could solve this.

And that's patently false. Every nation has a right to defend its self. When rockets are launched at that state, they are allowed to react.

The provocations come from both sides. Denying Israel's and the west's responsibility in the conflict is dishonest.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/18/opinion/gaza-and-israel-the-road-to-war-paved-by-the-west.html

I've always wondered if the west and, particularly, England were so eager to give israelis some land why didn't they give them London?

By the way anti-zionist jews protesting against Israel's zionist government. I'm glad to see this.

https://twitter.com/RazanGazaBby/status/488207564773924865/photo/1

Pro-tip: Using the word zionist to describe jewish people does not make you seem like a reasonable, rational person.

Honestly Israeli's are still pussies, they need to just wipe out that entire population in Gaza in one fell swoop and then things can actually grow after. Like the Americans did with the natives, see how well that turned out.

Im not sure but this is something thats not humane in anyway. Its truly disgusting, mass murder is what it is. And somehow there are still people defending israel. Very strange.

There are millions of children, women & men in the other country. Not ~200. Why do you lie?

Zionism does not describe all jewish people.

TROLLOLOL.

The simple answer: Yes, they are. The complex answer: Yes, they are.

Collateral damage is accepted internationally as long as attempts are made to target actual enemy combatants.

The fact that I'm an American has nothing to do with this. I'm just much more knowledgeable when it comes to international law and rules of war than you are.