Is the media biased against Romney?

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#1 Posted by IcyFlamez96 (1355 posts) -

Ok I dont really pay attention to politics much at all but lately I have been a little bit. I have a friend who pretty much hates Obama as a president and supports strongly supports Mitt.

I always see on the TV that Romney has been lying about a lot of things. In his speech, and even in the presisdential debate a couple days ago. I hear some bad things about Romney on TV but 90% of the stuff is about how he has been lying. I told that to my friend and he always says "The media is biased, dont listen to everything they say do your own research." I dont care enough to do my own research honestly lol. Whenever I tell him something bad I hear about Romney though, he alwasy responds with "The media is biased." I was just wondering, do you guys think the media is biased? I dont know what to think lol but its not like I dont hear bad things about Obama on TV either.

#2 Posted by l4dak47 (6838 posts) -
no.
#3 Posted by TheCommoner (42 posts) -
Of course, most journalists are Democrats. It is hilarious to see how President Obama gets away with things that would be condemned under a Republican administration.
#4 Posted by xerxes5678 (4702 posts) -

For the most part, yes. Pervasive liberal bias in the mainstream media isn't a new thing though.


Most evident on MSNBC, it's pretty much a full on Obama surrogate.

Conservatives usually dominate radio.

#5 Posted by Laihendi (5828 posts) -
When Obama changes his position on policies he "evolves". When Romney does that he "flip-flops". I think that's indicative of a bias.
#6 Posted by l4dak47 (6838 posts) -

For the most part, yes. Pervasive liberal bias in the mainstream media isn't a new thing though.


Most evident on MSNBC, it's pretty much a full on Obama surrogate.

Conservatives usually dominate radio.

xerxes5678
Do you consider fox news a liberal news station?
#7 Posted by TheCommoner (42 posts) -

For the most part, yes. Pervasive liberal bias in the mainstream media isn't a new thing though.


Most evident on MSNBC, it's pretty much a full on Obama surrogate.

Conservatives usually dominate radio.

xerxes5678
I would not call the media liberal by any means. Replace liberal with Democrat and I will agree.
#8 Posted by mahlasor (1278 posts) -

When Obama changes his position on policies he "evolves". When Romney does that he "flip-flops". I think that's indicative of a bias.Laihendi

That is a very interesting assessment, I would not doubt that goes on.

#9 Posted by -Sun_Tzu- (17384 posts) -
I'd love for anyone who watched the post-debate news coverage to try and say that the media is biased against Mitt Romney.
#10 Posted by TheCommoner (42 posts) -
When Obama changes his position on policies he "evolves". When Romney does that he "flip-flops". I think that's indicative of a bias.Laihendi
Part of it is also due to the cult of personality the President has. People are more forgiving of charismatic/likeable individuals as well... Added with the President being in the same political party as most journalists and you have kind of a perfect storm of bias. John Kerry was accused of flip flopping as well.
#11 Posted by Ring_of_fire (15660 posts) -

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]When Obama changes his position on policies he "evolves". When Romney does that he "flip-flops". I think that's indicative of a bias.mahlasor

That is a very interesting assessment, I would not doubt that goes on.

Not an anti-republican trend. "flip-flopping" was used against John Kerry during his candidacy. And, there is a difference between changing one's mind ("evolving") and flip flopping.
#12 Posted by xerxes5678 (4702 posts) -

[QUOTE="xerxes5678"]

For the most part, yes. Pervasive liberal bias in the mainstream media isn't a new thing though.


Most evident on MSNBC, it's pretty much a full on Obama surrogate.

Conservatives usually dominate radio.

l4dak47

Do you consider fox news a liberal news station?

One ultra-right wing channel doesn't really balance things out.

#13 Posted by Ring_of_fire (15660 posts) -

[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="xerxes5678"]

For the most part, yes. Pervasive liberal bias in the mainstream media isn't a new thing though.


Most evident on MSNBC, it's pretty much a full on Obama surrogate.

Conservatives usually dominate radio.

xerxes5678

Do you consider fox news a liberal news station?

One ultra-right wing channel doesn't really balance things out.

There really is only one far-left news channel in the country, which is MSNBC
#14 Posted by TheCommoner (42 posts) -
[QUOTE="xerxes5678"]

[QUOTE="l4dak47"] Do you consider fox news a liberal news station? Ring_of_fire

One ultra-right wing channel doesn't really balance things out.

There really is only one far-left news channel in the country, which is MSNBC

MSNBC is not "far-left", they are center-right.
#15 Posted by SpartanMSU (3440 posts) -

I'd love for anyone who watched the post-debate news coverage to try and say that the media is biased against Mitt Romney. -Sun_Tzu-

They made it pretty clear Romney won only because he lied from what I saw. Although I don't watch much news on TV.

#16 Posted by champion837 (1447 posts) -

[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="xerxes5678"]

For the most part, yes. Pervasive liberal bias in the mainstream media isn't a new thing though.


Most evident on MSNBC, it's pretty much a full on Obama surrogate.

Conservatives usually dominate radio.

xerxes5678

Do you consider fox news a liberal news station?

One ultra-right wing channel doesn't really balance things out.

Of what? CNN isn't a left wing channel. They sometimes are too non bias.

#17 Posted by IcyFlamez96 (1355 posts) -

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]I'd love for anyone who watched the post-debate news coverage to try and say that the media is biased against Mitt Romney. SpartanMSU

They made it pretty clear Romney won only because he lied from what I saw. Although I don't watch much news on TV.

Yeah the day after that's all what I was seeing.
#18 Posted by chessmaster1989 (29392 posts) -
As a whole, no.
#19 Posted by JML897 (33125 posts) -

[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]I'd love for anyone who watched the post-debate news coverage to try and say that the media is biased against Mitt Romney. IcyFlamez96

They made it pretty clear Romney won only because he lied from what I saw. Although I don't watch much news on TV.

Yeah the day after that's all what I was seeing.

So wait, calling someone out for lying is showing liberal bias now?

#20 Posted by chessmaster1989 (29392 posts) -

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]I'd love for anyone who watched the post-debate news coverage to try and say that the media is biased against Mitt Romney. SpartanMSU

They made it pretty clear Romney won only because he lied from what I saw. Although I don't watch much news on TV.

Well it's true that a lot of what Romney said was not true.
#21 Posted by IcyFlamez96 (1355 posts) -

[QUOTE="IcyFlamez96"][QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

They made it pretty clear Romney won only because he lied from what I saw. Although I don't watch much news on TV.

JML897

Yeah the day after that's all what I was seeing.

So wait, calling someone out for lying is liberal biased now?

Tell that to my friend lol.
#22 Posted by Ring_of_fire (15660 posts) -
[QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"][QUOTE="xerxes5678"]

One ultra-right wing channel doesn't really balance things out.

TheCommoner
There really is only one far-left news channel in the country, which is MSNBC

MSNBC is not "far-left", they are center-right.

In comparison to European/Canada politcs? No. In the US? Yes. I should have stated that it could only be thought of as far left.
#23 Posted by SpartanMSU (3440 posts) -

[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]I'd love for anyone who watched the post-debate news coverage to try and say that the media is biased against Mitt Romney. chessmaster1989

They made it pretty clear Romney won only because he lied from what I saw. Although I don't watch much news on TV.

Well it's true that a lot of what Romney said was not true.

Irrelevant. Sun Tzu said the media isn't biased against Romney because they said he won the debate, but he didn't add that they also hammered the point that he only won because he lied. That doesn't prove that the media isn't biased against Romney.

I never said that the media highlighting that Romney only won because he lied means they have a liberal bias. Dear freaking god people.

#24 Posted by GazaAli (22999 posts) -
That is kind of an absurd claim. If the media in its entirety is against a certain candidate because of his partisan position then that political part must cease to exist because it has no relevance in its state anymore. Its like saying liberals won the election because they have more supporters.
#25 Posted by xerxes5678 (4702 posts) -

[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]I'd love for anyone who watched the post-debate news coverage to try and say that the media is biased against Mitt Romney. chessmaster1989

They made it pretty clear Romney won only because he lied from what I saw. Although I don't watch much news on TV.

Well it's true that a lot of what Romney said was not true.

This. Most of what he said was BS, but the media needs to keep in mind that the election isn't over yet.

Personally, I'm still leaning towards Obama right now. I'm generally in favor of "liberal" social and fiscal issues (LGBT rights, pro-choice, legalization of cannabis, higher taxes on billionaires), although I'm much more hawkish on military issues (which Obama has been surprisingly effective on, although the terror attack in Libya blew up in his face).

#26 Posted by CLOUDsea (1085 posts) -

You should probably share a website like factcheck.org with your friend, although chances are he'll suggest the facts are biased.

#27 Posted by needled24-7 (15900 posts) -

maybe if he didn't obviously lie so damn much, people would hate him less.

also, apparently in the debate he used the tactic called the Gish Gallop. look it up. i didn't even know that such a thing existed, but if it is true that that's what he did, that's sooooo f*cking dishonorable.

#28 Posted by Person0 (2944 posts) -
Conservatives just have a persecution complex so that they can ignore lots of things, like your friend ignoring all of Romney's lies.
#29 Posted by kingkong0124 (8710 posts) -
Of course, most journalists are Democrats. It is hilarious to see how President Obama gets away with things that would be condemned under a Republican administration.TheCommoner
#30 Posted by Gen007 (10955 posts) -

id say no you hear plenty of crap about both candidates and most recently most people in the news world seem to agree that obama got waxed in the debate so It cant be too biased now can it.

#31 Posted by chessmaster1989 (29392 posts) -

[QUOTE="TheCommoner"]Of course, most journalists are Democrats. It is hilarious to see how President Obama gets away with things that would be condemned under a Republican administration.kingkong0124

[citation needed]

(and even in presence of a citation, that does not prove media bias)

#32 Posted by Ace6301 (21389 posts) -

maybe if he didn't obviously lie so damn much, people would hate him less.

also, apparently in the debate he used the tactic called the Gish Gallop. look it up. i didn't even know that such a thing existed, but if it is true that that's what he did, that's sooooo f*cking dishonorable.

needled24-7
While he did lie, Obama did as well. I think what happened was more Obama has prepped to be up against the Mitt Romney who has been campaigning the last year and instead found himself against someone quite different. I think Mitt knows that most Republicans aren't actually concerned about policies, he knows they just want Obama out and that he can pull in moderates by appearing moderate and most base Republicans won't care or notice that he's flip flopped. You can see it on this very forum. They aren't looking at what this new Romney claimed or what his willingness to flip-flop may actually mean, they just care that he won the debate and Obama didn't. As for the Gish Gallop he did but it was more in a way that subverted Obama's expectations rather than subverting facts (which as I said he did as well)
#33 Posted by kingkong0124 (8710 posts) -

chessmaster1989

http://archive.mrc.org/biasbasics/biasbasics4.asp

http://www.mrc.org/node/29251

#34 Posted by TacticalDesire (10713 posts) -

When Obama changes his position on policies he "evolves". When Romney does that he "flip-flops". I think that's indicative of a bias.Laihendi
It has more to do with the overwhelming number of Romney policy changes, and also how they take place on a week by week basis, not long term philosophy changes. One week Romney says one thing, the next week another.

#35 Posted by -Sun_Tzu- (17384 posts) -

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

kingkong0124

http://archive.mrc.org/biasbasics/biasbasics4.asp

>MRC

hahahahaha

#36 Posted by Ace6301 (21389 posts) -

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

kingkong0124

http://archive.mrc.org/biasbasics/biasbasics4.asp

http://www.mrc.org/node/29251

"The Media Research Center (MRC) is a conservative content analysis organization based in Alexandria, Virginia, founded in 1987 by conservative activist L. Brent Bozell III. Its stated mission is to "prove through sound scientific research that liberal bias in the media does exist and undermines traditional American values" and to "neutralize [that bias's] impact on the American political scene"" Nice
#37 Posted by kingkong0124 (8710 posts) -

MRC

hahahahaha

-Sun_Tzu-

Source doesn't matter, what matters is the information in the source - DroidPhysX

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"]

I wonder what DroidPhysX and Sun_Tzu thought about the debate

kingkong0124

#38 Posted by TacticalDesire (10713 posts) -

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"][QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

They made it pretty clear Romney won only because he lied from what I saw. Although I don't watch much news on TV.

SpartanMSU

Well it's true that a lot of what Romney said was not true.

Irrelevant. Sun Tzu said the media isn't biased against Romney because they said he won the debate, but he didn't add that they also hammered the point that he only won because he lied. That doesn't prove that the media isn't biased against Romney.

I never said that the media highlighting that Romney only won because he lied means they have a liberal bias. Dear freaking god people.

They didn't really start hammering that until the next day or two. The night of the debate and the following hours after they gave full credit to Romney. It was only after his statements were fact-checked and confirmed false that they began reporting as such.

#39 Posted by TacticalDesire (10713 posts) -

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

MRC

hahahahaha

kingkong0124

Source doesn't matter, what matters is the information in the source - DroidPhysX

Is Sun_Tzu DroidPhysX now?

#40 Posted by -Sun_Tzu- (17384 posts) -

Source doesn't matter, what matters is the information in the source - DroidPhysX

kingkong0124

Sure, when dealing with something other than a right-wing propaganda outfit.

And the information that you linked to did not show that a majority of journalists are democrats.

#41 Posted by dave123321 (34151 posts) -

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

MRC

hahahahaha

TacticalDesire

Source doesn't matter, what matters is the information in the source - DroidPhysX

Is Sun_Tzu DroidPhysX now?

I think kk feels that they share a kind of hive mind
#42 Posted by kingkong0124 (8710 posts) -

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

MRC

hahahahaha

TacticalDesire

Source doesn't matter, what matters is the information in the source - DroidPhysX

Is Sun_Tzu DroidPhysX now?

DroidPhysX says the same sh*t his friends (ex: Sun Tzu) say, so I'd say addressing the two as the same would be fine

#43 Posted by -Sun_Tzu- (17384 posts) -

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

MRC

hahahahaha

TacticalDesire

Source doesn't matter, what matters is the information in the source - DroidPhysX

Is Sun_Tzu DroidPhysX now?

All liberals are part of a collective hive mind. We are the borg and resistance is futile.
#44 Posted by TheFallenDemon (13933 posts) -

well duh

the media found out about Romney and his secret ulterior motives to fulfill his Mormon master Joseph Smith's dream by using his power as president to destroy America's precious backbone of beer as so to weaken us to a syrup-chugging Canadian invasion.

#45 Posted by -Sun_Tzu- (17384 posts) -

[QUOTE="TacticalDesire"]

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"]

Source doesn't matter, what matters is the information in the source - DroidPhysX

kingkong0124

Is Sun_Tzu DroidPhysX now?

DroidPhysX says the same sh*t his friends (ex: Sun Tzu) say, so I'd say addressing the two as the same would be fine

Droid is no friend of mine.
#46 Posted by kingkong0124 (8710 posts) -
[QUOTE="kingkong0124"]

[QUOTE="TacticalDesire"]

Is Sun_Tzu DroidPhysX now?

-Sun_Tzu-

DroidPhysX says the same sh*t his friends (ex: Sun Tzu) say, so I'd say addressing the two as the same would be fine

Droid is no friend of mine.

LOL
#47 Posted by Ace6301 (21389 posts) -
Source doesn't matter, what matters is the information in the source - DroidPhysXkingkong0124
Can we get some quality information to back up your claim then?
#48 Posted by Ace6301 (21389 posts) -

well duh

the media found out about Romney and his secret ulterior motives to fulfill his Mormon master Joseph Smith's dream by using his power as president to destroy America's precious backbone of beer as so to weaken us to a syrup-chugging Canadian invasion.

TheFallenDemon
A country without beer, ruled by Romney, that is obsessed with trying to find God. Yeah we're pretty happy up here but you guys have fun on the planet Kolob, I hear it's kind of boring though
#49 Posted by kingkong0124 (8710 posts) -

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"]Source doesn't matter, what matters is the information in the source - DroidPhysXAce6301
Can we get some quality information to back up your claim then?

My second link on that post backs it up.

Also:

In the most recent survey, 40% of journalists described themselves as being on the left side of the political spectrum (31% said they were a little to the left and 9% pretty far to the left). - http://www.journalism.org/node/2304

If newsrooms have moved slightly rightward, the research shows, however, that journalists are still more liberal than their audiences. According to 2002 Gallup data in The American Journalist, only 17% of the public characterized themselves as leaning leftward, and 41% identified themselves as tilting to the right. In other words, journalists are still more than twice as likely to lean leftward than the population overall.

The research from Weaver and his colleagues echoes the findings of a Pew Research Center survey from 2004 revealing that while the majority of journalists described themselves as moderate, they were clearly to the left of the public. One example was that journalists were considerably more willing to say that society should accept homosexuality than the average citizen was.

Weaver and his colleagues concluded that while the pendulum moved back toward the center a bit in 2002, the overall picture was still one of U.S. journalists being somewhat more liberal politically than the public at large.


#50 Posted by CLOUDsea (1085 posts) -

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="kingkong0124"]Source doesn't matter, what matters is the information in the source - DroidPhysXkingkong0124

Can we get some quality information to back up your claim then?

My second link on that post backs it up.

Also:

In the most recent survey, 40% of journalists described themselves as being on the left side of the political spectrum (31% said they were a little to the left and 9% pretty far to the left). - http://www.journalism.org/node/2304

If newsrooms have moved slightly rightward, the research shows, however, that journalists are still more liberal than their audiences. According to 2002 Gallup data in The American Journalist, only 17% of the public characterized themselves as leaning leftward, and 41% identified themselves as tilting to the right. In other words, journalists are still more than twice as likely to lean leftward than the population overall.

The research from Weaver and his colleagues echoes the findings of a Pew Research Center survey from 2004 revealing that while the majority of journalists described themselves as moderate, they were clearly to the left of the public. One example was that journalists were considerably more willing to say that society should accept homosexuality than the average citizen was.

Weaver and his colleagues concluded that while the pendulum moved back toward the center a bit in 2002, the overall picture was still one of U.S. journalists being somewhat more liberal politically than the public at large.


40% is not a majority. Being "more liberal" than your audience does not mean that you are liberal; you can simply be a more liberal conservative.