I am afraid of the religious wacko's in the Republican party....

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#1 Posted by Videodogg (12551 posts) -

Even if the Republican party actually had a better economic plan and better international and military policies, i am so ashamed and frightened by the extreme religious wacko's who make up a large part of that party, that i will never vote for that party. Does anyone else feel this way? Is my insecurity about their religious agenda unfounded?

#2 Posted by chessmaster1989 (29079 posts) -
Yeah social conservatism in general is a plague on the Republican party. Hopefully only a matter of time before social conservatism dies out.
#3 Posted by moneymatterz (1139 posts) -

I'm always amazed to see such an overwhelming majority of people on this board spew left-wing, anarchist, conspiracy theory trash Then I am comforted by the fact that the fanaticism expressed on Gamespot =/= real life.

#4 Posted by chessmaster1989 (29079 posts) -

I'm always amazed to see such an overwhelming majority of people on this board spew left-wing, anarchist trash Then I am comforted by the fact that the fanaticism expressed on Gamespot =/= real life.

moneymatterz
Hey moneymatterz: 1) Did you praise Jesus when Obamacare was ruled constitutional? 2) What did you think of Obama winning the second debate?
#5 Posted by Videodogg (12551 posts) -

I'm always amazed to see such an overwhelming majority of people on this board spew left-wing, anarchist trash Then I am comforted by the fact that the fanaticism expressed on Gamespot =/= real life.

moneymatterz
I guess my fears are not unfounded after all.
#6 Posted by br0kenrabbit (12807 posts) -

I'm always amazed to see such an overwhelming majority of people on this board spew left-wing, anarchist, conspiracy theory trash Then I am comforted by the fact that the fanaticism expressed on Gamespot =/= real life.

moneymatterz

Free choice is definitely a fanatical argument.:?

#7 Posted by moneymatterz (1139 posts) -

[QUOTE="moneymatterz"]

I'm always amazed to see such an overwhelming majority of people on this board spew left-wing, anarchist trash Then I am comforted by the fact that the fanaticism expressed on Gamespot =/= real life.

chessmaster1989

Hey moneymatterz: 1) Did you praise Jesus when Obamacare was ruled constitutional? 2) What did you think of Obama winning the second debate?

I'm also amazed by how much of a hard-on you get whenever you see my name. Plus, (1) you know Jesus deserves praise every day and (2) the second debate was a tie but most people say it leaned more toward Romney.

#8 Posted by chessmaster1989 (29079 posts) -

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"][QUOTE="moneymatterz"]

I'm always amazed to see such an overwhelming majority of people on this board spew left-wing, anarchist trash Then I am comforted by the fact that the fanaticism expressed on Gamespot =/= real life.

moneymatterz

Hey moneymatterz: 1) Did you praise Jesus when Obamacare was ruled constitutional? 2) What did you think of Obama winning the second debate?

I'm also amazed by how much of a hard-on you get whenever you see my name. Plus, (1) you know Jesus deserves praise every day and (2) the second debate was a tie but most people say it leaned more toward Romney.

lol no you just post such worthless drivel that you're fun to mock I'm still waiting for you to call the election for Romney so that I know that Obama will win
#9 Posted by moneymatterz (1139 posts) -

[QUOTE="moneymatterz"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"] Hey moneymatterz: 1) Did you praise Jesus when Obamacare was ruled constitutional? 2) What did you think of Obama winning the second debate?chessmaster1989

I'm also amazed by how much of a hard-on you get whenever you see my name. Plus, (1) you know Jesus deserves praise every day and (2) the second debate was a tie but most people say it leaned more toward Romney.

lol no you just post such worthless drivel that you're fun to mock I'm still waiting for you to call the election for Romney so that I know that Obama will win

Considering my predictions are spot-on 99.7% of the time, you would be wise to not tempt me.

#10 Posted by chessmaster1989 (29079 posts) -

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"][QUOTE="moneymatterz"]

I'm also amazed by how much of a hard-on you get whenever you see my name. Plus, (1) you know Jesus deserves praise every day and (2) the second debate was a tie but most people say it leaned more toward Romney.

moneymatterz

lol no you just post such worthless drivel that you're fun to mock I'm still waiting for you to call the election for Romney so that I know that Obama will win

Considering my predictions are spot-on 99.7% of the time, you would be wise to not tempt me.

lol
#11 Posted by cslayer211 (833 posts) -
[QUOTE="moneymatterz"]

I'm always amazed to see such an overwhelming majority of people on this board spew left-wing, anarchist trash Then I am comforted by the fact that the fanaticism expressed on Gamespot =/= real life.

chessmaster1989
Hey moneymatterz: 1) Did you praise Jesus when Obamacare was ruled constitutional? 2) What did you think of Obama winning the second debate?

When standards are so low from the first debate, it would be unimaginable to not do better in the second or the third... I don't think he won either, because in order to win, Obama had to stop Romney's momentum from the first debate which I don't think he did. It's why the first debate mattered the most.
#12 Posted by Nonstop-Madness (9466 posts) -
There are "religious wacko's" in both parties. A large portion of the US is still moderately religious. Its just more apparent in the Republican party because Republican states tend to be more religious. I do agree with you, it is a bit scary that the Republican party has failed to adopt a more general philosophy. Im a Republican from MA but Im not social conservative or religious or against abortion etc . Not to mention people seem to think all Democrats are pro choice, believe in gay marriage etc. when it just BS.
#13 Posted by JDWolfie (1854 posts) -

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"][QUOTE="moneymatterz"]

I'm always amazed to see such an overwhelming majority of people on this board spew left-wing, anarchist trash Then I am comforted by the fact that the fanaticism expressed on Gamespot =/= real life.

cslayer211

Hey moneymatterz: 1) Did you praise Jesus when Obamacare was ruled constitutional? 2) What did you think of Obama winning the second debate?

When standards are so low from the first debate, it would be unimaginable to not do better in the second or the third... I don't think he won either, because in order to win, Obama had to stop Romney's momentum from the first debate which I don't think he did. It's why the first debate mattered the most.

I kind of disagree with this. I think the second debate was somewhat of a toss-up but I would personally give the edge to Obama on the second one and Obama clearly flattened Romney on the third. Romney seemed to have agreed on all of the attacks Obama made on him. I think the first one, however, was the most important one because it was about the economy and Obama was horrible.

#14 Posted by JDWolfie (1854 posts) -

[QUOTE="cslayer211"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"] Hey moneymatterz: 1) Did you praise Jesus when Obamacare was ruled constitutional? 2) What did you think of Obama winning the second debate?JDWolfie

When standards are so low from the first debate, it would be unimaginable to not do better in the second or the third... I don't think he won either, because in order to win, Obama had to stop Romney's momentum from the first debate which I don't think he did. It's why the first debate mattered the most.

I kind of disagree with this. I think the second debate was somewhat of a toss-up but I would personally give the edge to Obama on the second one and Obama clearly flattened Romney on the third. Romney seemed to have agreed on all of the attacks Obama made on him. I think the first one, however, was the most important one because it was about the economy and Obama was horrible.

Even though Obama was wrong on the Libya issue, I still say Obama won that debate.
#15 Posted by cslayer211 (833 posts) -

[QUOTE="cslayer211"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"] Hey moneymatterz: 1) Did you praise Jesus when Obamacare was ruled constitutional? 2) What did you think of Obama winning the second debate?JDWolfie
When standards are so low from the first debate, it would be unimaginable to not do better in the second or the third... I don't think he won either, because in order to win, Obama had to stop Romney's momentum from the first debate which I don't think he did. It's why the first debate mattered the most.

I kind of disagree with this. I think the second debate was somewhat of a toss-up but I would personally give the edge to Obama on the second one and Obama clearly flattened Romney on the third. Romney seemed to have agreed on all of the attacks Obama made on hime. I think the first one, however, was the most important one because it was about the economy and Obama was horrible.

Well first of all, polls showed before the third debate that Obama was going to win by big margins. Incumbent presidents have the power of incumbency when it comes to foreign policy. Also, Romney purposely agreed with a lot of what Obama had to say on foreign policy because he had three goals when going into the debate. Appeal to women by not acting too aggressive, show people he knows what he's talking about on foreign policy, and don't let Obama paint him as a warmonger.

He accomplished all of them. One more thing Romney had to do in that debate was stay likable. For the first time Romney and Obama's likability are nearly tied. Ironically in the first debate, Obama was trying to do what Romney did in the third one; don't attack and stay likable. Instead, Romney's strategy worked and his aggressiveness in the first debate gave him a lot of momentum in a race that Obama had basically already won before October 3rd. Now, the race is statistically tied.

#16 Posted by Riverwolf007 (23435 posts) -

i know what you are saying but there is not much you can do about people in washington that are on the science and technology committees and that think vagina's have magic rape baby shutting down abilities and that the earth is 6,000 years old.

the masses eat that shyt up and will keep them in office because of magic and demons and angels and holy books written by a bunch of goat humping primitives.

#17 Posted by l4dak47 (6838 posts) -
Yea, social conservatives are fvcking stupid.
#18 Posted by GazaAli (22492 posts) -
To be honest, conservatives are really sh!tty rulers, and I say this despite the fact that I'm sure I'd be considered a social conservative to some extent in the west.
#19 Posted by MarioFan264 (780 posts) -

I certainly feel that way, too, actually.

The second the Republican party stops trying to push religion into law, and stops trying to deny LGBT rights, is the second I might be able to look at them seriously again. But they'd only ever change their ways when it would destroy them otherwise, just like the churches themselves. So we may be waiting a while. The Republican party is a lost cause.

#20 Posted by mindstorm (15242 posts) -
What can I say, I'm a scary person. Boo!
#21 Posted by airshocker (28842 posts) -

I'm afraid of the progressives in the democratic party.

#22 Posted by CycleOfViolence (3314 posts) -

There are plenty of Democrats who are religious. Republicans tend to garner more attention since many of their stances on social issues are deeply rooted in their religious beliefs.

#23 Posted by ShadowMoses900 (17081 posts) -

There are wackos in every party, just different kinds, but they are all equally as dangerous.

Also people on here generalise, I know people who have some social conservative views and they are not bad or stupid people at all. Nor are they all rich white people, a good majority of them are black.

I agree with social conservatives on abortion (only exception in rare cases such as rape, incest, life of mother), but aside from that I can't think of any other issues I agree with social conservatives on.

#24 Posted by Barbariser (6717 posts) -

Social conservatism in the U.S. is demographically unsustainable since the vast majority of its proponents are old dudes who are going to start dying en masse in the next decade or so. The real danger of the G.O.P. isn't that they have the potential to delay social progress in the U.S. for about a dozen years, but that they have the potential to fvck up the world economically and diplomatically something fierce with their incredibly sh!tty supply-side nonsense and antagonistic foreign policies, since that is not demographically unsustainable and has a far larger impact.

#25 Posted by worlock77 (22547 posts) -

The problem isn't that so many Republicans have religious beliefs, it's that so many Republicans want to make their religious beliefs law.

#26 Posted by ShadowMoses900 (17081 posts) -

The problem isn't that so many Republicans have religious beliefs, it's that so many Republicans want to make their religious beliefs law.

worlock77

However religious beliefs do inspire and even form the basis for our laws. Many of our laws are based off of the 10 commandments for example, there are other inlfuences of course, but a mistake I often see people on here (and real life make) is they assume secular = no religion.

Which isn't the case at all. Religion and secularism are both nesseccary in a society, it's simply making sure religion doesn't become fanatical and dictate the country, or preventing religious expressions or ideas.

People often tend to overlook this. I am religious, I do not want to push my views onto others, but that doesn't mean my beliefs can't inspire ideas or even some laws.

#27 Posted by muller39 (14944 posts) -

Be afraid, be very afraid.

#28 Posted by leviathan91 (7763 posts) -

Sometimes I wish the Republican Party would adopt a plaeoconservative approach in dealing with social policies: Let the states decide. It's more of a compromise since social conservatives would still have an influence at a state and local level but at least it wouldn't be at the federal level.

But yes, the Christian Right needs to die out. They're just downright scary.

#29 Posted by ShadowMoses900 (17081 posts) -

Sometimes I wish the Republican Party would adopt a plaeoconservative approach in dealing with social policies: Let the states decide. It's more of a compromise since social conservatives would still have an influence at a state and local level but at least it wouldn't be at the federal level.

But yes, the Christian Right needs to die out. They're just downright scary.

leviathan91

I think the whole "left vs right" mentality needs to die out completely, but that is for another time. The Christian Right are very hypocritical. If Jesus was alive today and he ran for president, I seriously doubt the Christian Fundamentalist would vote for him. His economic policies would make them call him a socialist, and him being a Jew would not sit too well in their favor I'd assume.

#30 Posted by br0kenrabbit (12807 posts) -

Many of our laws are based off of the 10 commandments for example

ShadowMoses900

Really? The only commandments I see codified in law is 'thou shalt not murder' and 'thou shalt not steal'. But to claim laws that say as such are based on the 10 commandents is stretching things taffy-thin, as these laws are pretty universal, wouldn't you say?

#31 Posted by ShadowMoses900 (17081 posts) -

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Jew would not sit too well in their favor I'd assume.

coolbeans90

IDK

GOP loves Israel

So do the Democrats. Both of the 2 major parties love Jews, they catered to us a lot in this election like crazy. Something I don't understand as we are one of the smallest ethnic/religious minority group in America, let alone the world where we make up barely 1% of the earths population.

The GOP does not do too well with Jewish voters on a whole because they are in favor of cutting social programs, and Jews sympathize with other minority groups who they feel are not yet fully equal, and they think Democrats are just better at understanding issues. (Conservatives are not racist, some might be, but that's a stereotype).

#32 Posted by ShadowMoses900 (17081 posts) -

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]Many of our laws are based off of the 10 commandments for example

br0kenrabbit

Really? The only commandments I see codified in law is 'thou shalt not murder' and 'thou shalt not steal'. But to claim laws that say as such are based on the 10 commandents is stretching things taffy-thin, as these laws are pretty universal, wouldn't you say?

The 10 commandments (along with other religious symbols) are carved into the building of the Supreame Court. In fact the 10 commandments has it's own mini monument in Washington DC, right on the front door of the Supreame Court. It no doubt inspired and formed as one of the bases for our judicial system.

#33 Posted by Zeviander (9503 posts) -
Another 15 or so years and the truly crazy generation will die and a movement towards proper pluralism, equal opportunity and complete secularism will begin.
#34 Posted by leviathan91 (7763 posts) -

[QUOTE="leviathan91"]

Sometimes I wish the Republican Party would adopt a plaeoconservative approach in dealing with social policies: Let the states decide. It's more of a compromise since social conservatives would still have an influence at a state and local level but at least it wouldn't be at the federal level.

But yes, the Christian Right needs to die out. They're just downright scary.

ShadowMoses900

I think the whole "left vs right" mentality needs to die out completely, but that is for another time. The Christian Right are very hypocritical. If Jesus was alive today and he ran for president, I seriously doubt the Christian Fundamentalist would vote for him. His economic policies would make them call him a socialist, and him being a Jew would not sit too well in their favor I'd assume.

It won't. People will have different opinions on how to do things so there's always going to be a "left vs right" mentality. The Barry Goldwater quote was accurate: Both sides work together for a common purpose and sometimes compromise is necessary.

Also Jesus would never run for office. He would stay away from politics and live a simplistic life in helping his fellow man. He would denounce megachurches and their rich pastors.

#35 Posted by Zeviander (9503 posts) -
The 10 commandments (along with other religious symbols) are carved into the building of the Supreame Court. In fact the 10 commandments has it's own mini monument in Washington DC, right on the front door of the Supreame Court. It no doubt inspired and formed as one of the bases for our judicial system.ShadowMoses900
The United States was founded as a secular republic, and it's judicial system is powered by the Constitution. Religious leanings ("In God We Trust" replacing "E Pluribus Unum"; "One nation under God" being added to the pledge of allegiance; the Ten Commandments being enshrined in DC, etc) were added in the '50's as a response to the commies' irreligiosity. The US was the first truly secular nation promoting the freedom of religion and the separation of church and state. These are historical facts.
#36 Posted by br0kenrabbit (12807 posts) -

The 10 commandments (along with other religious symbols) are carved into the building of the Supreame Court. In fact the 10 commandments has it's own mini monument in Washington DC, right on the front door of the Supreame Court. It no doubt inspired and formed as one of the bases for our judicial system.

ShadowMoses900

No, they aren't. But guess what is carved into the building of the Supreme Court?

19au4h.jpg

Mohammed

You've also got Confucius and ....

...you know what...I'm going to save myself some time:

Here, read this.

#37 Posted by ShadowMoses900 (17081 posts) -

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]The 10 commandments (along with other religious symbols) are carved into the building of the Supreame Court. In fact the 10 commandments has it's own mini monument in Washington DC, right on the front door of the Supreame Court. It no doubt inspired and formed as one of the bases for our judicial system.Zeviander
The United States was founded as a secular republic, and it's judicial system is powered by the Constitution. Religious leanings ("In God We Trust" replacing "E Pluribus Unum"; "One nation under God" being added to the pledge of allegiance; the Ten Commandments being enshrined in DC, etc) were added in the '50's as a response to the commies' irreligiosity. The US was the first truly secular nation promoting the freedom of religion and the separation of church and state. These are historical facts.

I know many of these things were added in later, however it religion did play a role and an inspiration of this country when it was founded, to one degree or another. There is no such thing as "pure secularism", secularism is made up of religious beliefs, however the principle is that such religious beliefs cannot be forced unto others nor can they be oppressed.

That does not mean that religioin cannot ifluence or inspire laws or systems. This did happen. The Founding Fathers (many of whom held diests beliefs) were not against religious ideas like many atheists claim, they were only against religious fundamentalism such as the church of England at the time. The Constitution and the Declaration both had religious ideas and foundations in it.

That is what I was trying to say.

#38 Posted by ShadowMoses900 (17081 posts) -

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

The 10 commandments (along with other religious symbols) are carved into the building of the Supreame Court. In fact the 10 commandments has it's own mini monument in Washington DC, right on the front door of the Supreame Court. It no doubt inspired and formed as one of the bases for our judicial system.

br0kenrabbit

No, they aren't. But guess what is carved into the building of the Supreme Court?

19au4h.jpg

Mohammed

You've also got Confucius and ....

...you know what...I'm going to save myself some time:

Here, read this.

I said ONE OF, not the only inspiration. I am well aware of other religious beliefs being insrhined there.

On a side note, I am surprised Muslims are not outraged at this. It is Mohammed afterall carved in stone.

#39 Posted by wis3boi (31012 posts) -

when the old farts retire and the younger folks move in, this social conservatism plague will likely die off

#40 Posted by Zeviander (9503 posts) -
I said ONE OF, not the only inspiration. I am well aware of other religious beliefs being insrhined there.ShadowMoses900
Did you read the link he posted or just ignore it? Because it proves you absolutely, completely wrong. There is ZERO religious basis of the US Constitution or the judicial system. Zip, nada, zilch, etc.
#41 Posted by br0kenrabbit (12807 posts) -

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

The 10 commandments (along with other religious symbols) are carved into the building of the Supreame Court. In fact the 10 commandments has it's own mini monument in Washington DC, right on the front door of the Supreame Court. It no doubt inspired and formed as one of the bases for our judicial system.

ShadowMoses900

No, they aren't. But guess what is carved into the building of the Supreme Court?

19au4h.jpg

Mohammed

You've also got Confucius and ....

...you know what...I'm going to save myself some time:

Here, read this.

I said ONE OF, not the only inspiration. I am well aware of other religious beliefs being insrhined there.

On a side note, I am surprised Muslims are not outraged at this. It is Mohammed afterall carved in stone.

You're still not understanding what I'm trying to tell you. It's all on that link, I'm not going to type everything out when it's right there. They're not there on the building because of their religious affiliations, they're there because they're considered historic law-givers, and the SCOTUS is a building of law. The architects themselves say not to read anything religious into it.

And that's not the ten commandments, that's the first ten AMENDMENTS. Right from the sculptors mouth.

#42 Posted by Zeviander (9503 posts) -
That is what I was trying to say.ShadowMoses900
I see those butt cheeks flapping, but nothing other than a vile stench is emanating from it.
#43 Posted by leviathan91 (7763 posts) -

when the old farts retire and the younger folks move in, this social conservatism plague will likely die off

wis3boi

Doubtful but Congressman Justin Amash gives me some hope.

From what I read, he seems like a good congressman. Hopefully he doesn't screw it up.