How Do You Feel About The Different Religious Groups?

#101 Edited by br0kenrabbit (13584 posts) -

@jasean79 @TheFlush @AmazonTreeBoa

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#102 Posted by foxhound_fox (91108 posts) -

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

I am okay with religion, but I can't stand atheist at all. Not because they don't believe in god (I couldn't give two shits about what they believe), it is because they cry over everything and try to push their beliefs on religion all the time and are always so negative about everything. I figure their lives must really suck to always be so hateful and negative about everything.

You paint with a brush as broad as the Mississippi River. You make generalizations seem specific.

#103 Posted by toast_burner (22858 posts) -

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

@korvus said:

@AmazonTreeBoa: Then why can't you stand atheists? You say you have no reason to be pissed at whatever an atheist says or believes, then I'd think you'd be more neutral towards them.

Because I can't stand anybody that cries over everything and is constantly negative and hateful.

So why aren't you complaining about Christians that do that? There are much more whiny Christians in the world than whiny atheists.

#104 Edited by TheFlush (5696 posts) -

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

Who are still Christians, Jehovah Witness? Lol please, no the hell they aren't. Not even close.

You are wrong.

#105 Posted by thegerg (16223 posts) -

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

@TheFlush said:

@jasean79 said:

@TheFlush said:

Yes, but their belief system is very much different from that of mainstream Christianity. Look it up sometime - the women are pretty much powerless to the men and follow a whole different set of code than other denominations. That's not something you find in Catholicism, Lutherans, Evangels, etc.

I know that, they're still Christians.

Who are still Christians, Jehovah Witness? Lol please, no the hell they aren't. Not even close.

Yes they are. What, exactly, do you think a Christian is?

#106 Posted by LJS9502_basic (152919 posts) -

@br0kenrabbit said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

Perhaps but I've had atheists in threads insult me. Is there really a difference because it isn't face to face?

Also no Christians bother me at home. So atheists are winning in the annoyance department.

If you can't take being insulted, stay out of philosophical/religious debates. It comes with the territory when you come with a position that the other person is fundamentally wrong in their argument. I have Christians insult me all the time, telling me I'm lost, I'm going to burn in hell, that I've bought 'the lie'.

Then I open up on them with my knowledge of religion, show them their place (you should know I'm nowhere near ignorant on the subject, you and I have debated enough) and then they start the personal insults. I can only hope they go up to their pastor and say "this stupid guy told me Elohim was the first name given to God and that it comes from a Canaanite diety" and then their pastor slowly nods and says "yes, and?"

I'd love to be a fly on that wall.

Maybe you shouldn't open your door then. Problem solved.

#107 Posted by AmazonTreeBoa (16745 posts) -

@TheFlush said:

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

Who are still Christians, Jehovah Witness? Lol please, no the hell they aren't. Not even close.

You are wrong.

Nope, there are huge differences. My girl is Jehovah witness...well was when we met. I was raised Christian. Do some more research dude.

#108 Posted by AmazonTreeBoa (16745 posts) -

@br0kenrabbit said:

@jasean79 @TheFlush @AmazonTreeBoa

Can you guys take a freaking second to trim your quote trees? There's absolutely no reason for me to keep getting notifications when you're carrying on a conversation amongst yourselves. Seriously, it takes like two seconds if you're slow.

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#109 Posted by thegerg (16223 posts) -

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

@TheFlush said:

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

Who are still Christians, Jehovah Witness? Lol please, no the hell they aren't. Not even close.

You are wrong.

Nope, there are huge differences. My girl is Jehovah witness...well was when we met. I was raised Christian. Do some more research dude.

What do you think a Christian is, and how does a Jehovah's Witness not fit that definition?

#110 Posted by br0kenrabbit (13584 posts) -

@LJS9502_basic said:

Maybe you shouldn't open your door then. Problem solved.

Problem is they don't ever use the door on the front of the house, the one with windows. They come to the side door where the cars are parked, and I can't see who it is unless I open it.

#111 Edited by br0kenrabbit (13584 posts) -

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

@br0kenrabbit said:

Can you guys take a freaking second to trim your quote trees? There's absolutely no reason for me to keep getting notifications when you're carrying on a conversation amongst yourselves. Seriously, it takes like two seconds if you're slow.

You are correct, there is no reason for you to get notifications, so turn them off in settings. Problem solved.

I do use notifications when someone is replying to me. Don't blame me for your being an ass.

The mods have stated before that you should trim your quotes and I've even seen mods threaten moderation over it. Should I get them involved?

#112 Posted by TheFlush (5696 posts) -

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

@TheFlush said:

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

Who are still Christians, Jehovah Witness? Lol please, no the hell they aren't. Not even close.

You are wrong.

Nope, there are huge differences. My girl is Jehovah witness...well was when we met. I was raised Christian. Do some more research dude.

You are still wrong.

#113 Posted by LJS9502_basic (152919 posts) -

@TheFlush said:

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

@TheFlush said:

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

Who are still Christians, Jehovah Witness? Lol please, no the hell they aren't. Not even close.

You are wrong.

Nope, there are huge differences. My girl is Jehovah witness...well was when we met. I was raised Christian. Do some more research dude.

You are still wrong.

There is debate and thought that since Jehovah's Witnesses do not believe in the basic tenets of Christianity...they are not Christians.

#114 Posted by Xeno_ghost (696 posts) -

@toast_burner: "So why aren't you complaining about Christians that do that? There are much more whiny Christians in the world than whiny atheists"

What evidence do you base that assumption on?

#115 Posted by LJS9502_basic (152919 posts) -

@xeno_ghost said:

@toast_burner: "So why aren't you complaining about Christians that do that? There are much more whiny Christians in the world than whiny atheists"

What evidence do you base that assumption on?

On the fact that he's an atheist....not Christian.

#116 Posted by toast_burner (22858 posts) -

@xeno_ghost said:

@toast_burner: "So why aren't you complaining about Christians that do that? There are much more whiny Christians in the world than whiny atheists"

What evidence do you base that assumption on?

well since there are more Christians than atheists that should be common sense.

#117 Posted by TheFlush (5696 posts) -

@LJS9502_basic said:

@TheFlush said:

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

@TheFlush said:

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

Who are still Christians, Jehovah Witness? Lol please, no the hell they aren't. Not even close.

You are wrong.

Nope, there are huge differences. My girl is Jehovah witness...well was when we met. I was raised Christian. Do some more research dude.

You are still wrong.

There is debate and thought that since Jehovah's Witnesses do not believe in the basic tenets of Christianity...they are not Christians.

Yeah, they're different, very different, but it's still a Christian denomination.

#118 Posted by LJS9502_basic (152919 posts) -

@TheFlush said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@TheFlush said:

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

Nope, there are huge differences. My girl is Jehovah witness...well was when we met. I was raised Christian. Do some more research dude.

You are still wrong.

There is debate and thought that since Jehovah's Witnesses do not believe in the basic tenets of Christianity...they are not Christians.

Yeah, they're different, very different, but it's still a Christian denomination.

I guess you think that. I was actually referring to academic debate so to speak. Mormons are sometimes left out as well as both religions diverge a bit much from other denominations. So...I don't think we can answer that question. I can see why both groups are not labelled as Christian absolutely.

#119 Posted by Xeno_ghost (696 posts) -

@toast_burner: "well since there are more Christians than atheists that should be common sense"

Fuck my life, even if there is more christians than Athiest that has no bearing on Christians having more whiny people.

#120 Posted by LJS9502_basic (152919 posts) -

@toast_burner said:

@xeno_ghost said:

@toast_burner: "So why aren't you complaining about Christians that do that? There are much more whiny Christians in the world than whiny atheists"

What evidence do you base that assumption on?

well since there are more Christians than atheists that should be common sense.

LOL critical thinking abort....danger danger.

#121 Edited by Xeno_ghost (696 posts) -

@LJS9502_basic:

Lol!!

#122 Posted by toast_burner (22858 posts) -

@xeno_ghost said:

@toast_burner: "well since there are more Christians than atheists that should be common sense"

Fuck my life, even if there is more christians than Athiest that has no bearing on Christians having more whiny people.

Yes it does. Lets say 50% of people are whiny. If you have a group of 10 people 8 are Christian and 2 are atheists, that would mean you have 4 whiny Christians and 1 whiny atheist.

It's basic maths.

#123 Posted by LJS9502_basic (152919 posts) -

@toast_burner said:

@xeno_ghost said:

@toast_burner: "well since there are more Christians than atheists that should be common sense"

Fuck my life, even if there is more christians than Athiest that has no bearing on Christians having more whiny people.

Yes it does. Lets say 50% of people are whiny. If you have a group of 10 people 8 are Christian and 2 are atheists, that would mean you have 4 whiny Christians and 1 whiny atheist.

It's basic maths.

Ah in other words you based it on nothing. Gotcha....

#124 Posted by toast_burner (22858 posts) -

@LJS9502_basic said:

@toast_burner said:

@xeno_ghost said:

@toast_burner: "well since there are more Christians than atheists that should be common sense"

Fuck my life, even if there is more christians than Athiest that has no bearing on Christians having more whiny people.

Yes it does. Lets say 50% of people are whiny. If you have a group of 10 people 8 are Christian and 2 are atheists, that would mean you have 4 whiny Christians and 1 whiny atheist.

It's basic maths.

Ah in other words you based it on nothing. Gotcha....

What the hell are you talking about? Are you saying that there are more atheists in the world than Christians? Because that is certainly not true.

#125 Posted by Xeno_ghost (696 posts) -

@toast_burner: so you base your assumption on probability rather than actual facts?

#126 Posted by toast_burner (22858 posts) -

@xeno_ghost said:

@toast_burner: so you base your assumption on probability rather than actual facts?

The two aren't exclusive.

Where's your evidence that there are more whiny atheists than whiny Christians? The fact is both groups have people in them who are whiny and intolerant of each other, it makes no sense to single out atheists.

#127 Posted by Xeno_ghost (696 posts) -

@toast_burner: @toast_burner:

"Where's your evidence that there are more whiny atheists than whiny Christians"

Why would I need to prove something I never stated.

"The fact is both groups have people in them who are whiny and intolerant of each other, it makes no sense to single out atheists"

It makes no sense to single out Christians either, at least LS9502 assumption was based on his actual dealings with Athiest, and not based on percentages plucked from thin air :P

#128 Posted by dave123321 (34436 posts) -

Why don't we just call out idiots for being idiots. Don't make this about what kind of denomination that idiot is. Just causes issues

#129 Posted by toast_burner (22858 posts) -

@xeno_ghost said:

@toast_burner: @toast_burner:

"Where's your evidence that there are more whiny atheists than whiny Christians"

Why would I need to prove something I never stated.

"The fact is both groups have people in them who are whiny and intolerant of each other, it makes no sense to single out atheists"

It makes no sense to single out Christians either, at least LS9502 assumption was based on his actual dealings with Athiest, and not based on percentages plucked from thin air :P

Who singled out Christians?

LJS' experiences mean nothing. Lots of people in this thread have also shared their experiences of intolerant Christians and Christians knocking on their door. Are you really suggesting the anecdotal evidence is more reliable that maths? And yes I did pluck that number out of thin air, it wasn't supposed to be evidence, I used it to explain to you how number of Christians is directly linked to number of whiny Christians. You're just too stupid to understand that.

#130 Posted by dave123321 (34436 posts) -

Isn't toast just saying there is a greater chance at their being more Christian anything simply because there are more if them?

As in just the the number and not as percentage of a group. Like there is a greater chance that there are more Christian stamp collectors then there are atheist stamp collectors

#131 Edited by always_explicit (3132 posts) -

This topic is a great example of the issues with relationships between the religious and non believers. Here we have a few groups with differing beliefs, all of whom consider themselves reasonable, intelligent adults but adults who fundamentally disagree with each others varying points of view. Its quite interesting to watch it to descent into bickering and and trivial insults. You cant blame God for that and you cant blame the lack of one. Its humaninherent This topic is an interesting proof of not only the religious and non religious displaying their inability to tolerate each other. It didnt take long for a reasoned debate to descend into petty insults and tedious bickering. IMHO that proves that it is not the presence (or lack) of God that causes these debates but a general lack of tolerance for other human beings. Tolerance of human nature should be taught long before the concepts of religion and atheism.

I must admit as a citizen of the united kingdom christianity does seem to have a great deal of influence over law and politics in that country (US). After living in a country where this is not the case it does seem very peculiar to me. However it is a democracy and a country that preaches freedom and equality so I have every confidence when the Americans become dissatisfied they will change things for the better.

That being sad I only have my own observations to go by and until residing in that country myself It would be fair for my opinion above to be set in stone. It merely is an educated observation based on the american culture I have seen and am aware of.

#132 Edited by dave123321 (34436 posts) -

But regardless on rather or not toast is right, why argue about who has more annoying folks. It's such silly nonsense

#133 Posted by toast_burner (22858 posts) -

@dave123321 said:

Isn't toast just saying there is a greater chance at their being more Christian anything simply because there are more if them?

As in just the the number and not as percentage of a group. Like there is a greater chance that there are more Christian stamp collectors then there are atheist stamp collectors

That's pretty much what I meant. Since there are more Christians it is only logical to assume they have more annoying people, just like they probably have more females, stamp collectors, postmen, or pretty much anything else.

#134 Posted by alim298 (2218 posts) -

@always_explicit said:

This topic is a great example of the issues with relationships between the religious and non believers. Here we have a few groups with differing beliefs, all of whom consider themselves reasonable, intelligent adults but adults who fundamentally disagree with each others varying points of view. Its quite interesting to watch it to descent into bickering and and trivial insults. You cant blame God for that and you cant blame the lack of one. Its humaninherent This topic is an interesting proof of not only the religious and non religious displaying their inability to tolerate each other. It didnt take long for a reasoned debate to descend into petty insults and tedious bickering. IMHO that proves that it is not the presence (or lack) of God that causes these debates but a general lack of tolerance for other human beings. Tolerance of human nature should be taught long before the concepts of religion and atheism.

I must admit as a citizen of the united kingdom christianity does seem to have a great deal of influence over law and politics in that country (US). After living in a country where this is not the case it does seem very peculiar to me. However it is a democracy and a country that preaches freedom and equality so I have every confidence when the Americans become dissatisfied they will change things for the better.

That being sad I only have my own observations to go by and until residing in that country myself It would be fair for my opinion above to be set in stone. It merely is an educated observation based on the american culture I have seen and am aware of.

Good post.

#135 Posted by LJS9502_basic (152919 posts) -

@dave123321 said:

Isn't toast just saying there is a greater chance at their being more Christian anything simply because there are more if them?

As in just the the number and not as percentage of a group. Like there is a greater chance that there are more Christian stamp collectors then there are atheist stamp collectors

No that isn't what he said. He made a statement for which he has nothing to back it up. In short he expressed a poorly thought out opinion and presented it as fact. Even talking his supposition about the amount of people in each group....he still has not provided any proof his initial theory was correct. Which if we used the scientific method to analyze....falls well short.

#136 Posted by LJS9502_basic (152919 posts) -
@toast_burner said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@toast_burner said:

@xeno_ghost said:

@toast_burner: "well since there are more Christians than atheists that should be common sense"

Fuck my life, even if there is more christians than Athiest that has no bearing on Christians having more whiny people.

Yes it does. Lets say 50% of people are whiny. If you have a group of 10 people 8 are Christian and 2 are atheists, that would mean you have 4 whiny Christians and 1 whiny atheist.

It's basic maths.

Ah in other words you based it on nothing. Gotcha....

What the hell are you talking about? Are you saying that there are more atheists in the world than Christians? Because that is certainly not true.

No that isn't what I said. You really do have reading comprehension problems.

#137 Posted by dave123321 (34436 posts) -

Guys I caught a fish

#138 Posted by toast_burner (22858 posts) -

@LJS9502_basic said:
@toast_burner said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@toast_burner said:

@xeno_ghost said:

@toast_burner: "well since there are more Christians than atheists that should be common sense"

Fuck my life, even if there is more christians than Athiest that has no bearing on Christians having more whiny people.

Yes it does. Lets say 50% of people are whiny. If you have a group of 10 people 8 are Christian and 2 are atheists, that would mean you have 4 whiny Christians and 1 whiny atheist.

It's basic maths.

Ah in other words you based it on nothing. Gotcha....

What the hell are you talking about? Are you saying that there are more atheists in the world than Christians? Because that is certainly not true.

No that isn't what I said. You really do have reading comprehension problems.

Why don't you actually read the post I was originally replying to? You just want to assume I mean something else because you would like to assume I'm insulting Christians.

#139 Posted by LJS9502_basic (152919 posts) -

@toast_burner: I did read the initial exchange. You made an uneducated guesstimate,,,,with nothing to back it up.

#140 Posted by dave123321 (34436 posts) -

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#141 Posted by toast_burner (22858 posts) -

@LJS9502_basic said:

@toast_burner: I did read the initial exchange. You made an uneducated guesstimate,,,,with nothing to back it up.

How is it uneducated? Why do you think Christians are less likely to be whiny than atheists?

If Christians are equally as likely to be whiny as atheists then what I said is correct. So where is your evidence that Christians are less likely to be whiny than atheists?

#142 Posted by SUD123456 (4545 posts) -

I find the entire exercise of rating how one feels about groups of people based upon their religion or lack thereof to be laughable.

#143 Edited by dave123321 (34436 posts) -

Tc is a special kind of person

#144 Edited by Xeno_ghost (696 posts) -

@toast_burner: "Are you really suggesting the anecdotal evidence is more reliable that maths"

No

"And yes I did pluck that number out of thin air, it wasn't supposed to be evidence,

Well I asked you for evidence of your claim, not probability factors, of course anything is probable, but you made your claim with certainty you didn't say "there is probably more whiny Christians" you said "there is more whiny Christians".

"I used it to explain to you how number of Christians is directly linked to number of whiny Christians"

You make wild claims and base them on percentages plucked from thin air and maths.

"You're just too stupid to understand that"

resorting to insults hey typical atheist.

#145 Posted by toast_burner (22858 posts) -

@xeno_ghost said:

@toast_burner: "Are you really suggesting the anecdotal evidence is more reliable that maths"

No

"And yes I did pluck that number out of thin air, it wasn't supposed to be evidence,

Well I asked you for evidence of your claim, not probability factors, of course anything is probable, but you made your claim with certainty you didn't say "there is probably more whiny Christians" you said "there is more whiny Christians".

"I used it to explain to you how number of Christians is directly linked to number of whiny Christians"

You make wild claims and base them on percentages plucked from thin air and maths.

"You're just too stupid to understand that"

resorting to insults hey typical atheist.

So why do you assume that Christians are less likely to be whiny than atheists? How is claiming that atheists and Christians are equally as likely to be idiots a wild claim?

#146 Posted by LJS9502_basic (152919 posts) -

@toast_burner said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@toast_burner: I did read the initial exchange. You made an uneducated guesstimate,,,,with nothing to back it up.

How is it uneducated? Why do you think Christians are less likely to be whiny than atheists?

If Christians are equally as likely to be whiny as atheists then what I said is correct. So where is your evidence that Christians are less likely to be whiny than atheists?

So then give us the scientific research you used to form your conclusion....and I don't have to prove the reverse just because you can't prove yours. LOL at trying to save face.

#147 Posted by toast_burner (22858 posts) -

@LJS9502_basic said:

@toast_burner said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@toast_burner: I did read the initial exchange. You made an uneducated guesstimate,,,,with nothing to back it up.

How is it uneducated? Why do you think Christians are less likely to be whiny than atheists?

If Christians are equally as likely to be whiny as atheists then what I said is correct. So where is your evidence that Christians are less likely to be whiny than atheists?

So then give us the scientific research you used to form your conclusion....and I don't have to prove the reverse just because you can't prove yours. LOL at trying to save face.

Why would you assume other wise? Last time I checked Christians are still humans.

It seems your entire argument is based on nothing but the baseless assumption that Christians are somehow better than atheists.

#148 Posted by LJS9502_basic (152919 posts) -

@toast_burner said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@toast_burner said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@toast_burner: I did read the initial exchange. You made an uneducated guesstimate,,,,with nothing to back it up.

How is it uneducated? Why do you think Christians are less likely to be whiny than atheists?

If Christians are equally as likely to be whiny as atheists then what I said is correct. So where is your evidence that Christians are less likely to be whiny than atheists?

So then give us the scientific research you used to form your conclusion....and I don't have to prove the reverse just because you can't prove yours. LOL at trying to save face.

Why would you assume other wise? Last time I checked Christians are still humans.

It seems your entire argument is based on nothing but the baseless assumption that Christians are somehow better than atheists.

I didn't make any argument. I replied to your idiotic statement.

#149 Posted by Xeno_ghost (696 posts) -

@always_explicit: I like your style bro.

#150 Posted by toast_burner (22858 posts) -

@LJS9502_basic said:

@toast_burner said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@toast_burner said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@toast_burner: I did read the initial exchange. You made an uneducated guesstimate,,,,with nothing to back it up.

How is it uneducated? Why do you think Christians are less likely to be whiny than atheists?

If Christians are equally as likely to be whiny as atheists then what I said is correct. So where is your evidence that Christians are less likely to be whiny than atheists?

So then give us the scientific research you used to form your conclusion....and I don't have to prove the reverse just because you can't prove yours. LOL at trying to save face.

Why would you assume other wise? Last time I checked Christians are still humans.

It seems your entire argument is based on nothing but the baseless assumption that Christians are somehow better than atheists.

I didn't make any argument. I replied to your idiotic statement.

The statement that atheists and Christians are equally likely to be idiots?