How Do You Feel About The Different Religious Groups?

#1 Edited by Master_Live (15758 posts) -

Jews, Catholics & Evangelicals Rated Warmly, Atheists and Muslims More Coldly

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Gotta say, it is disheartening to see such disapproval toward atheists, it is like some believe atheists don't have a "soul", no moral compass.

Also, what is up with young people and Jews? Too much internet seem it has cooked their heads.

Anyways, I generally don't mind any religions as long as they don't try to impose their beliefs on others.

So what do you say OT:

  • Do you disapprove of any religion?
  • Do you dislike atheists?
  • Young people of OT tell us how you feel about Jews, is it fair that they control the media and the banks?
#2 Posted by whipassmt (14400 posts) -

to be fair atheists themselves don't believe that they have a soul (which would mean that atheists have limited musical and cooking talents).

What can you say, each of those groups has their good apples and their bad apples.

#3 Posted by Korvus (7399 posts) -

I don't mind people from any religion, as long as when they ask me if I follow their religion and I say no, they leave it at that.

As for atheists...at least those have nothing to convert me to =P

#4 Edited by jun_aka_pekto (17325 posts) -

What about the various Euro countries? Considering they waged so many religious wars in the past, they should be surveyed as well.

#5 Edited by Randolph (10542 posts) -

I don't care for any of those graphs because they show atheists as a religious group, which is entirely misleading. If being an atheist is being part of a religious group, then not collecting stamps is a hobby, and not smoking is a habit. It's nonsensical. All being an atheist says about you is one thing you do not hold a belief in. We are an incredibly diverse group of people from many different backgrounds and points of view.

I normally do not have a problem with people having religious beliefs, and I do not judge anyone based on their religious beliefs. I judge them based on their willingness to impose that religion on others through the law, as Christians have been doing here in the USA for some time now.

#6 Edited by Xeno_ghost (696 posts) -

Religion can be a good thing and have positive effect on people and spread a positive message, it also can be a very dangerous like a weapon of mass destruction.

#7 Posted by BossPerson (9117 posts) -

@Randolph said:

I don't care for any of those graphs because they show atheists as a religious group, which is entirely misleading. If being an atheist is being part of a religious group, then not collecting stamps is a hobby, and not smoking is a habit. It's nonsensical. I normally do not have a problem with people having religious beliefs, and I do not judge anyone based on their religious beliefs. I judge them based on their willingness to impose that religion on others through the law, as Christians have been doing here in the USA for some time now.

will you get off your high horse, for the purposes of such a survey it makes sense to list non-believers as a religious group to see what the rest of the population thinks about them

#8 Edited by indzman (19965 posts) -

TC ignored us hindus =P

J/K

#9 Edited by LJS9502_basic (152304 posts) -

@Master_Live: I think the negativity for atheists comes from the vocal atheists that spew anger and/or hate to the religious.

#10 Posted by BossPerson (9117 posts) -

@LJS9502_basic said:

@Master_Live: I think the negativity for atheists comes from the vocal atheists that spew anger and/or hate to the religious.

Im interested in what your estimation is for the percentage of christians who come into contact with such anger?

#11 Posted by Korvus (7399 posts) -

@LJS9502_basic said:

@Master_Live: I think the negativity for atheists comes from the vocal atheists that spew anger and/or hate to the religious.

I think that's true for any of the groups. I don't think the hate against religion is due the quiet, minding-their-own-business religious people either.

#12 Posted by LJS9502_basic (152304 posts) -

@BossPerson said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@Master_Live: I think the negativity for atheists comes from the vocal atheists that spew anger and/or hate to the religious.

Im interested in what your estimation is for the percentage of christians who come into contact with such anger?

If they have the internet and use it....pretty high.

#13 Posted by Randolph (10542 posts) -

@LJS9502_basic said:

@Master_Live: I think the negativity for atheists comes from the vocal atheists that spew anger and/or hate to the religious.

That's possible, it's also possible that negativity towards the religious from atheists is a reaction to the imposition of religious dogma onto atheists through the law by vocal theists who spew anger and or hate to anyone who their god character days he doesn't like in his book.

#14 Posted by LJS9502_basic (152304 posts) -

@Randolph said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@Master_Live: I think the negativity for atheists comes from the vocal atheists that spew anger and/or hate to the religious.

That's possible, it's also possible that negativity towards the religious from atheists is a reaction to the imposition of religious dogma onto atheists through the law by vocal theists who spew anger and or hate to anyone who their god character days he doesn't like in his book.

Not sure what world you operate in but I don't see religious people act that way in reality. Even here in OT....most religious threads are created by atheists. Why is that? Why not live and let live?

#16 Edited by Randolph (10542 posts) -

@LJS9502_basic said:

Not sure what world you operate in but I don't see religious people act that way in reality. Even here in OT....most religious threads are created by atheists. Why is that? Why not live and let live?

The second that all religious dogma is completely removed from our laws, I would be more than happy to completely and forever ignore religion in general, Christianity specifically as a citizen of the USA. They don't act that way in reality? These people go to the polls in large numbers to force their religious beliefs onto other people through the law. The few Christians I meet who do NOT support that type of thing, I admire greatly and have no problems with.

If more Christians took the stance that "you know, I don't agree with that as a matter of faith, but imposing that belief on others is wrong so I won't do it" this would be a better country for it. THAT, my friend, would be live and let live.

#17 Posted by RoboCopISJesus (1618 posts) -

Why is hindus so low? Also where is sikh i guess there is not enough of them.

#18 Posted by LJS9502_basic (152304 posts) -

@Randolph said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

Not sure what world you operate in but I don't see religious people act that way in reality. Even here in OT....most religious threads are created by atheists. Why is that? Why not live and let live?

The second that all religious dogma is completely removed from our laws, I would be more than happy to completely and forever ignore religion in general, Christianity specifically as a citizen of the USA. They don't act that way in reality? These people go to the polls in large numbers to force their religious beliefs onto other people through the law. The few Christians I meet who do NOT support that type of thing, I admire greatly and have no problems with.

If more Christians took the stance that "you know, I don't agree with that as a matter of faith, but imposing that belief on others is wrong so I won't do it" this would be a better country for it. THAT, my friend, would be live and let live.

Newsflash....EVERYONE goes to polls with their own views in mind. I see you are a bigot. Only those that agree with you can vote. How absolutely enlightened of you.

In the US the separation of church and state does keep organizations out of politics. That does NOT mean we should force our own views on others. You complain people force their views on others while advocating just that. I doubt you see the hypocrisy of your stance however.

#19 Edited by Korvus (7399 posts) -

@xeno_ghost: Well, personally speaking, I have no problem wish people praising God for those situations; what annoys me is that in most cases, religious people don't even praise the actual person who did the saving...their eyes are so lost in the skies they don't even see what's in front of them. Sure, maybe they believe that God sent that person to help the child, but God doesn't need praises on FB, and the person who saved the child, might very well appreciate them. (Not saying that's what happened in the case you're referring to, since I don't know it)

#20 Posted by LJS9502_basic (152304 posts) -

@korvus said:

@xeno_ghost: Well, personally speaking, I have no problem wish people praising God for those situations; what annoys me is that in most cases, religious people don't even praise the actual person who did the saving...their eyes are so lost in the skies they don't even see what's in front of them. Sure, maybe they believe that God sent that person to help the child, but God doesn't need praises on FB, and the person who saved the child, might very well appreciate them. (Not saying that's what happened in the case you're referring to, since I don't know it)

I really don't know what kind of people you know. I've never met anyone like that. Where do you live?

#21 Posted by Randolph (10542 posts) -

@LJS9502_basic said:

Newsflash....EVERYONE goes to polls with their own views in mind. I see you are a bigot. Only those that agree with you can vote. How absolutely enlightened of you.

Voting to deny people equal rights based on nothing but religious belief is morally bankrupt. Having the majority vote to determine the civil rights of a minority group is fundamentally Un-American. Not EVERYTHING is up for a vote. We are a Democratic Republic. We are not supposed to do that here. Mob rules democracy where everything is up for a vote is how Hamas got into power in Gaza, and we see right now what good thats done.

In a democracy two wolves and a sheep vote on whats for dinner. In a democratic republic that exact same thing happens, but it has laws on the books that say sheep is not on the menu. All I advocate for is that. Take sheep off the menu. I'm not even going to get angry with you, I've seen enough from you to know that extremely excitable hyperbole is your forum character gimmick. Have a good day.

#22 Posted by LJS9502_basic (152304 posts) -

@Randolph said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

Newsflash....EVERYONE goes to polls with their own views in mind. I see you are a bigot. Only those that agree with you can vote. How absolutely enlightened of you.

Voting to deny people equal rights based on nothing but religious belief is morally bankrupt. Having the majority vote to determine the civil rights of a minority group is fundamentally Un-American. Not EVERYTHING is up for a vote. We are a Democratic Republic. We are not supposed to do that here. Mob rules democracy where everything is up for a vote is how Hamas got into power in Gaza, and we see right now what good thats done.

In a democracy two wolves and a sheep vote on whats for dinner. In a democratic republic that exact same thing happens, but it has laws on the books that say sheep is not on the menu. All I advocate for is that. Take sheep off the menu. I'm not even going to get angry with you, I've seen enough from you to know that extremely excitable hyperbole is your forum character gimmick. Have a good day.

No you are still the bigot. You don't think people should care about something that is counter to your views. Simple definition of the word. And I've seen enough of your posts to know you bring nothing substantive to any discussion you have.

You haven't given us any indication in the least that religious groups have a stranglehold on government. Most of the current issues today are not even up for votes for anyone to say or nay. Your hyperbole about mob rule notwithstanding. That has fuck all to do with anything here.

#23 Edited by whipassmt (14400 posts) -

@Randolph said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

Not sure what world you operate in but I don't see religious people act that way in reality. Even here in OT....most religious threads are created by atheists. Why is that? Why not live and let live?

The second that all religious dogma is completely removed from our laws, I would be more than happy to completely and forever ignore religion in general, Christianity specifically as a citizen of the USA. They don't act that way in reality? These people go to the polls in large numbers to force their religious beliefs onto other people through the law. The few Christians I meet who do NOT support that type of thing, I admire greatly and have no problems with.

If more Christians took the stance that "you know, I don't agree with that as a matter of faith, but imposing that belief on others is wrong so I won't do it" this would be a better country for it. THAT, my friend, would be live and let live.

I take it you would at least want to keep "Thou Shalt Not Kill" on the law books right? So you cannot really remove "all religious dogma".

In any case law by its very nature involves a certain imposition of belief on others. For instance most Americans believe it is wrong to kill and they impose that belief on murderers. That's fine, society needs to defend itself against murderers. Most Americans believe that Americans should pay taxes and they impose that obligation upon everyone who makes more than a certain amount. Fine. A government needs money in order to function, though maybe some Americans are imposing unfair amounts of taxes on others. Many Americans don't like racism or sexism so they impose those beliefs through non-discrimination law. That is a more debatable issue. The point here is that, unless there is no government and law at all, there will always be some imposition of belief.

#24 Posted by Xeno_ghost (696 posts) -

@korvus: "God doesn't need praises on FB"

Of course not but wheres the harm in it? If they believe god sent the passer by or if they thank god for the passer by being there, wheres the harm in that? It doesn't mean that atheist can start verbally abusing them and spoil a positive article.

#25 Posted by br0kenrabbit (13418 posts) -

@LJS9502_basic said:

@Master_Live: I think the negativity for atheists comes from the vocal atheists that spew anger and/or hate to the religious.

Have you sat through a baptist sermon? Hate, hate, hate, hate, hell, hate, hate, hell, fire and brimstone.

#26 Posted by whipassmt (14400 posts) -

@br0kenrabbit said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@Master_Live: I think the negativity for atheists comes from the vocal atheists that spew anger and/or hate to the religious.

Have you sat through a baptist sermon? Hate, hate, hate, hate, hell, hate, hate, hell, fire and brimstone.

I haven't been to a Baptist sermon, I might have seen some on tv though. I didn't see any thing that struck me as being "hate" (a word which I feel is overused anyway). Huckabee's a Baptist and he seems pretty nice. I remember hearing on the news about how some young Southern Baptists were spending their spring break in New Jersey helping out people effected by the hurricane. Maybe some Baptist preachers can be a bit dramatic in their preaching, but I think most of them are good people.

#27 Posted by lostrib (42150 posts) -

I don't really care that much about any of them in general. It's the fundamentalist wackos in each group (including atheists) that annoy me

#28 Posted by br0kenrabbit (13418 posts) -

@whipassmt said:

I haven't been to a Baptist sermon, I might have seen some on tv though. I didn't see any thing that struck me as being "hate" (a word which I feel is overused anyway). Huckabee's a Baptist and he seems pretty nice. I remember hearing on the news about how some young Southern Baptists were spending their spring break in New Jersey helping out people effected by the hurricane. Maybe some Baptist preachers can be a bit dramatic in their preaching, but I think most of them are good people.

I grew up in a baptist church, every Sunday morning, Sunday night and Wednesday night. And some Sunday nights our congregation would visit other baptist churches.

Well, here's a local pastor. This is preaching around these parts...it isn't spreading love, it's IF YOU'RE NOT US YOU'RE GOING TO HELL! Just listen for a few minutes.

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#29 Posted by foxhound_fox (90594 posts) -

@whipassmt said:

to be fair atheists themselves don't believe that they have a soul (which would mean that atheists have limited musical and cooking talents).

What can you say, each of those groups has their good apples and their bad apples.

An atheist can believe in a soul. Theism is the belief in a god. A soul doesn't imply a deity.

#30 Posted by Korvus (7399 posts) -

@LJS9502_basic: First Portugal and now the Netherlands, but we were talking about FB, so where I live is largely irrelevant =)

@xeno_ghost: Like I said in my message I don't have a problem with people praising God, but I prefer when they thank the actual person as well instead of acting like the person did nothing and it's all thanks to God.

#31 Edited by thegerg (15907 posts) -

@whipassmt said:

to be fair atheists themselves don't believe that they have a soul (which would mean that atheists have limited musical and cooking talents).

What can you say, each of those groups has their good apples and their bad apples.

"to be fair atheists themselves don't believe that they have a soul"

Not necessarily. Atheism is simply the lack of a belief in a god. It has nothing to do with a soul.

#32 Posted by dave123321 (34363 posts) -

The low rank of the atheists isn't surprising given how many peeps I see here that generalize them.

#33 Posted by whipassmt (14400 posts) -

@foxhound_fox said:

@whipassmt said:

to be fair atheists themselves don't believe that they have a soul (which would mean that atheists have limited musical and cooking talents).

What can you say, each of those groups has their good apples and their bad apples.

An atheist can believe in a soul. Theism is the belief in a god. A soul doesn't imply a deity.

@foxhound_fox said:

@whipassmt said:

to be fair atheists themselves don't believe that they have a soul (which would mean that atheists have limited musical and cooking talents).

What can you say, each of those groups has their good apples and their bad apples.

An atheist can believe in a soul. Theism is the belief in a god. A soul doesn't imply a deity.

@thegerg said:

@whipassmt said:

to be fair atheists themselves don't believe that they have a soul (which would mean that atheists have limited musical and cooking talents).

What can you say, each of those groups has their good apples and their bad apples.

"to be fair atheists themselves don't believe that they have a soul"

Not necessarily. Atheism is simply the lack of a belief in a god. It has nothing to do with a soul.

My bad. Some people do believe in a soul but not in God (for example many Buddhists take this view). Strictly speaking a person who doesn't believe in a soul would be a materialist, not an atheist. I do think however that most American atheists do not believe in souls.

#34 Edited by Nuck81 (5962 posts) -

@br0kenrabbit said:

@whipassmt said:

I haven't been to a Baptist sermon, I might have seen some on tv though. I didn't see any thing that struck me as being "hate" (a word which I feel is overused anyway). Huckabee's a Baptist and he seems pretty nice. I remember hearing on the news about how some young Southern Baptists were spending their spring break in New Jersey helping out people effected by the hurricane. Maybe some Baptist preachers can be a bit dramatic in their preaching, but I think most of them are good people.

I grew up in a baptist church, every Sunday morning, Sunday night and Wednesday night. And some Sunday nights our congregation would visit other baptist churches.

Well, here's a local pastor. This is preaching around these parts...it isn't spreading love, it's IF YOU'RE NOT US YOU'RE GOING TO HELL! Just listen for a few minutes.

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The comments on youtube are pretty much exactly why Christians have a bad name

#35 Posted by -ParaNormaN- (974 posts) -

What I feel about religious and non religious groups is that they're all dicks. WE'RE ALL DICKS and whoever pretends to be a victim by a religious or atheist person or targets religious or atheist people, that just shows how far you can take your dickism and that it has no bounds. That is all.

#36 Posted by mjorh (1243 posts) -

@-paranorman- said:

What I feel about religious and non religious groups is that they're all dicks. WE'RE ALL DICKS and whoever pretends to be a victim by a religious or atheist person or targets religious or atheist people, that just shows how far you can take your dickism and that it has no bounds. That is all.

That's harsh!

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Muslims being negative shows that Americans are kinda brainwashed by their media...

#37 Posted by CyberLips (1824 posts) -

I don't have a problem with religious folk, people can believe in whatever they want. It's when they use religion as an excuse for war or other horrible things that pisses me off.

#38 Edited by TheFlush (5651 posts) -

As long as it stays out of politics and doesn't limit the liberties of others I'm okay with every religion.

#39 Posted by foxhound_fox (90594 posts) -

@whipassmt: Buddhists don't believe in a soul. They took the concept of "atman" from Hinduism and turned it on its head to make "anatman". In fact, Buddhist philosophy is based on that concept.

#40 Posted by LJS9502_basic (152304 posts) -

@mjorh said:

@-paranorman- said:

What I feel about religious and non religious groups is that they're all dicks. WE'RE ALL DICKS and whoever pretends to be a victim by a religious or atheist person or targets religious or atheist people, that just shows how far you can take your dickism and that it has no bounds. That is all.

That's harsh!

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Muslims being negative shows that Americans are kinda brainwashed by their media...

Or it shows that currently a lot of the information about that group is shaded with the bad actions of some.

#41 Posted by jasean79 (2375 posts) -

@Nuck81: The comments on youtube are pretty much exactly why Christians have a bad name

The comments on youtube should never be taken seriously and attributed towards any group. Those are some of the most foul, ridiculous, hateful comments on the internet. You can click on any video on youtube and see the same garbage over and over. Even the most lighthearted video will somehow turn into a racial hate mantra. It scares me to think that most of these people actually exist.

#42 Posted by LostProphetFLCL (17711 posts) -

Religion COULD/CAN be a great thing when people practice it reasonably and responsibly. Problem is there are too many people in the world who practice religion IRRESPONSIBLY, using it as a vehicle for hate. In the lightest form we have the issues here in the US where religion has seeped into the law a bit more than it should have. At it's worst you get all the bullshit in the Middle East where you get people who think that it is OK to kill someone because they are of a different faith.

I do not understand why so many people can't fathom that not everyone believes in the same shit they do and can't just let others live their lives. LJ tried calling another user a bigot, but he completely ignores that the people fighting to get religion out the law here in the US aren't doing anything to try and prevent people from practicing their faiths. Rather, we are simply fighting for people to be able to do certain things that the church may not approve of while letting churchgoers continue to be free in their practicing of their own religions.

The only bigots in the equation are those religious folk who think they have the right to keep people from doing something they disagree with, even though it has absolutely no effect on them personally and is not harmful at all to society.

#43 Posted by bulby_g (1446 posts) -

Indifferent really. I barely know anyone who is religious and I wouldn't make assumptions on an entire religious group based on what I read/see in the media. I do have some family who are Christian and some who are Muslim, they're all lovely.

#44 Edited by LJS9502_basic (152304 posts) -

@LostProphetFLCL said:

Religion COULD/CAN be a great thing when people practice it reasonably and responsibly. Problem is there are too many people in the world who practice religion IRRESPONSIBLY, using it as a vehicle for hate. In the lightest form we have the issues here in the US where religion has seeped into the law a bit more than it should have. At it's worst you get all the bullshit in the Middle East where you get people who think that it is OK to kill someone because they are of a different faith.

I do not understand why so many people can't fathom that not everyone believes in the same shit they do and can't just let others live their lives. LJ tried calling another user a bigot, but he completely ignores that the people fighting to get religion out the law here in the US aren't doing anything to try and prevent people from practicing their faiths. Rather, we are simply fighting for people to be able to do certain things that the church may not approve of while letting churchgoers continue to be free in their practicing of their own religions.

The only bigots in the equation are those religious folk who think they have the right to keep people from doing something they disagree with, even though it has absolutely no effect on them personally and is not harmful at all to society.

Who is fighting to get a religion into the law in the US? Religious people are fine with separation of church and state as long as the state keeps it's nose out of their beliefs as well.

And yes when someone spouts out that they don't want others to believe in something...they are a bigot. Even on the other side of an equation one should see the truth for what it is. I believe people have a right to believe in a religion....of their choice...or not. I do NOT call for the world to be removed of that choice.

Classic case of a bigot.....intolerance of others beliefs.

#45 Edited by LostProphetFLCL (17711 posts) -

@LJS9502_basic said:

@LostProphetFLCL said:

Religion COULD/CAN be a great thing when people practice it reasonably and responsibly. Problem is there are too many people in the world who practice religion IRRESPONSIBLY, using it as a vehicle for hate. In the lightest form we have the issues here in the US where religion has seeped into the law a bit more than it should have. At it's worst you get all the bullshit in the Middle East where you get people who think that it is OK to kill someone because they are of a different faith.

I do not understand why so many people can't fathom that not everyone believes in the same shit they do and can't just let others live their lives. LJ tried calling another user a bigot, but he completely ignores that the people fighting to get religion out the law here in the US aren't doing anything to try and prevent people from practicing their faiths. Rather, we are simply fighting for people to be able to do certain things that the church may not approve of while letting churchgoers continue to be free in their practicing of their own religions.

The only bigots in the equation are those religious folk who think they have the right to keep people from doing something they disagree with, even though it has absolutely no effect on them personally and is not harmful at all to society.

Who is fighting to get a religion into the law in the US? Religious people are fine with separation of church and state as long as the state keeps it's nose out of their beliefs as well.

-Gay marriage is still illegal thanks almost completely to religious people as it goes against their beliefs.

-We now have corporations being considered people thanks to people using religion to fight to not cover certain contraceptives with their insurance.

I know you are aware of both issues so don't act dense.

#46 Edited by toast_burner (22544 posts) -

@LJS9502_basic said:

@LostProphetFLCL said:

Religion COULD/CAN be a great thing when people practice it reasonably and responsibly. Problem is there are too many people in the world who practice religion IRRESPONSIBLY, using it as a vehicle for hate. In the lightest form we have the issues here in the US where religion has seeped into the law a bit more than it should have. At it's worst you get all the bullshit in the Middle East where you get people who think that it is OK to kill someone because they are of a different faith.

I do not understand why so many people can't fathom that not everyone believes in the same shit they do and can't just let others live their lives. LJ tried calling another user a bigot, but he completely ignores that the people fighting to get religion out the law here in the US aren't doing anything to try and prevent people from practicing their faiths. Rather, we are simply fighting for people to be able to do certain things that the church may not approve of while letting churchgoers continue to be free in their practicing of their own religions.

The only bigots in the equation are those religious folk who think they have the right to keep people from doing something they disagree with, even though it has absolutely no effect on them personally and is not harmful at all to society.

Who is fighting to get a religion into the law in the US? Religious people are fine with separation of church and state as long as the state keeps it's nose out of their beliefs as well.

And yes when someone spouts out that they don't want others to believe in something...they are a bigot. Even on the other side of an equation one should see the truth for what it is. I believe people have a right to believe in a religion....of their choice...or not. I do NOT call for the world to be removed of that choice.

Classic case of a bigot.....intolerance of others beliefs.

You live a very sheltered life. Religious people are constantly trying to push their religion into politics. Just look at the gay marriage debate? why is it even a debate? They want to limit peoples rights based on nothing other than their religious believes (i.e. forcing their beliefs on others)

Telling people to not force their religion on people is not bigotry, it's the exact opposite.

#47 Posted by LJS9502_basic (152304 posts) -

@LostProphetFLCL said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@LostProphetFLCL said:

Religion COULD/CAN be a great thing when people practice it reasonably and responsibly. Problem is there are too many people in the world who practice religion IRRESPONSIBLY, using it as a vehicle for hate. In the lightest form we have the issues here in the US where religion has seeped into the law a bit more than it should have. At it's worst you get all the bullshit in the Middle East where you get people who think that it is OK to kill someone because they are of a different faith.

I do not understand why so many people can't fathom that not everyone believes in the same shit they do and can't just let others live their lives. LJ tried calling another user a bigot, but he completely ignores that the people fighting to get religion out the law here in the US aren't doing anything to try and prevent people from practicing their faiths. Rather, we are simply fighting for people to be able to do certain things that the church may not approve of while letting churchgoers continue to be free in their practicing of their own religions.

The only bigots in the equation are those religious folk who think they have the right to keep people from doing something they disagree with, even though it has absolutely no effect on them personally and is not harmful at all to society.

Who is fighting to get a religion into the law in the US? Religious people are fine with separation of church and state as long as the state keeps it's nose out of their beliefs as well.

-Gay marriage is still illegal thanks almost completely to religious people as it goes against their beliefs.

-We now have corporations being considered people thanks to people using religion to fight to not cover certain contraceptives with their insurance.

I know you are aware of both issues so don't act dense.

Almost? There are non religious and religious for or against. I really don't see much about any religious groups actively doing anything about that issue. Not many states are involved in the issue. Never hear anything substantial about anyone trying to get that changed. You know if you want something put on a ballot you only have to get the signatures. Didn't hear of any such movement. It's more apathy than anything TBH.

Okay that second one is a violation of separation of church and state. I hope you don't want to go down that road. No one is forced to work for any employer. If you find their benefit package not to your liking...don't take the job. But the government should not force companies to violate their beliefs. The Constitution does protect the right to religious beliefs.

#48 Posted by LJS9502_basic (152304 posts) -

@toast_burner said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@LostProphetFLCL said:

Religion COULD/CAN be a great thing when people practice it reasonably and responsibly. Problem is there are too many people in the world who practice religion IRRESPONSIBLY, using it as a vehicle for hate. In the lightest form we have the issues here in the US where religion has seeped into the law a bit more than it should have. At it's worst you get all the bullshit in the Middle East where you get people who think that it is OK to kill someone because they are of a different faith.

I do not understand why so many people can't fathom that not everyone believes in the same shit they do and can't just let others live their lives. LJ tried calling another user a bigot, but he completely ignores that the people fighting to get religion out the law here in the US aren't doing anything to try and prevent people from practicing their faiths. Rather, we are simply fighting for people to be able to do certain things that the church may not approve of while letting churchgoers continue to be free in their practicing of their own religions.

The only bigots in the equation are those religious folk who think they have the right to keep people from doing something they disagree with, even though it has absolutely no effect on them personally and is not harmful at all to society.

Who is fighting to get a religion into the law in the US? Religious people are fine with separation of church and state as long as the state keeps it's nose out of their beliefs as well.

And yes when someone spouts out that they don't want others to believe in something...they are a bigot. Even on the other side of an equation one should see the truth for what it is. I believe people have a right to believe in a religion....of their choice...or not. I do NOT call for the world to be removed of that choice.

Classic case of a bigot.....intolerance of others beliefs.

You live a very sheltered life. Religious people are constantly trying to push their religion into politics. Just look at the gay marriage debate? why is it even a debate? They want to limit peoples rights based on nothing other than their religious believes (i.e. forcing their beliefs on others)

Telling people to not force their religion on people is not bigotry, it's the exact opposite.

Each person gets one vote. Those for or against are equal. He did NOT say they shouldn't force their beliefs...though one does have the right to vote their ideas...he said he wants religion gone. Step back from your personal bias and look at the big picture. Would you like it someone said they wanted pro gay marriage people gone? You would say they were a bigot...no? And they would be. So don't hold double standards.

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@LJS9502_basic said:

The Constitution does protect the right to religious beliefs.

Exactly. So forcing your religion on people goes against the constitution.

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@toast_burner said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

The Constitution does protect the right to religious beliefs.

Exactly. So forcing your religion on people goes against the constitution.

Not exactly....

The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances. It was adopted on December 15, 1791, as one of the ten amendments that constitute the Bill of Rights.