House Republicans overwhelmingly vote against Hurricane Sandy relief

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[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

nobody got hurt, who cares? you're just looking for an excuse to smear Republicans as unpatriotic/evil. as per usual with your threads. I expect this kind of stuff from Blue-sky but not a mod.

Storm_Marine

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different republicans, different platforms, there are alot of newcomers in congress that don't want to be seen voting for any new major spending. you all know this, it's just easier for you guys to make this a blue state red state thing

I don't approve of it anymore than you guys do. I'm just not placing myself under any delusions as to what the motivations are.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

Insurance only works for individual emergencies

Not large scale disasters that affects millions of their customers at once.

C2N2

LOL Hurricane insurance... You mean "Pay us a steep premium for being at risk and then have like a 10% deductible on your claim insurance." Where you pay the premium year round, every year despite not having a hurricane then in a event of a hurricane your deductible is 10% the value of your home, so if your basement is flooded, and you are in a $500,000 house, the first $50,000 in damage is on you bud.

haha republicans. never change

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nobody got hurt, who cares? you're just looking for an excuse to smear Republicans as unpatriotic/evil. as per usual with your threads. I expect this kind of stuff from Blue-sky but not a mod.

Storm_Marine

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different republicans, different platforms, there are alot of newcomers in congress that don't want to be seen voting for any new major spending. you all know this, it's just easier for you guys to make this a blue state red state thing

.... No the platforms have been basically the same as they have been for years now.. Your clueless to American politics if you seriously think either party has changed at all these past 8 years.. And those people shouldn't have made it into house.. Because if thats the reason NOT to help people, to avoid being seen with major spending, then they don't deserve position.. Furthermore that is utter horsesh!t... Some 30+ of the Republicans who voted against it demanded for diseaster relief for their districts years back..

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sSubZerOo

different republicans, different platforms, there are alot of newcomers in congress that don't want to be seen voting for any new major spending. you all know this, it's just easier for you guys to make this a blue state red state thing

.... No the platforms have been basically the same as they have been for years now.. Your clueless to American politics if you seriously think either party has changed at all these past 8 years..

Something called the Tea Party came along.... I thought the OT liberals would understand since you constantly bash them and complain about how radical they've made the GOP.

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[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

nobody got hurt, who cares? you're just looking for an excuse to smear Republicans as unpatriotic/evil. as per usual with your threads. I expect this kind of stuff from Blue-sky but not a mod.

Storm_Marine

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different republicans, different platforms, there are alot of newcomers in congress that don't want to be seen voting for any new major spending. you all know this, it's just easier for you guys to make this a blue state red state thing

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Odd thing to say since hurricane insurance is offered in areas that can be impacted.LJS9502_basic

LOL Hurricane insurance... You mean "Pay us a steep premium for being at risk and then have like a 10% deductible on your claim insurance." Where you pay the premium year round, every year despite not having a hurricane then in a event of a hurricane your deductible is 10% the value of your home, so if your basement is flooded, and you are in a $500,000 house, the first $50,000 in damage is on you bud.

Only the deductibles on those types of insurance are negligble at best, and the insurance itself is utilized quite often.

Hurricane insurance, if even offered, is a sham meant to get more money out of customers and then avoid having to pay them in the event of a hurricane short of their entire home being destroyed. And even then will probably require litigation to resolve a claim.

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nocoolnamejim

different republicans, different platforms, there are alot of newcomers in congress that don't want to be seen voting for any new major spending. you all know this, it's just easier for you guys to make this a blue state red state thing

sure,

and you can blame the Tea Party, this would be one of those few situations where you'd be absolutely justified in doing so.

Something called the Tea Party came along.... I thought the OT liberals would understand since you constantly bash them and complain about how radical they've made the GOP.

Storm_Marine

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different republicans, different platforms, there are alot of newcomers in congress that don't want to be seen voting for any new major spending. you all know this, it's just easier for you guys to make this a blue state red state thing

Storm_Marine

sure,

and you can blame the Tea Party, this would be one of those few situations where you'd be absolutely justified in doing so.

Except we have had longstanding Republican congress voting against it as well..

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Something called the Tea Party came along.... I thought the OT liberals would understand since you constantly bash them and complain about how radical they've made the GOP.

Aljosa23

i've been saying that it's the Tea Party's fault. I usually sympathize with them, but they are sometimes absurdly stubborn.

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[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] In other words, your explanation isn't that they're unpatriotic and evil...it's that they are cowards? sSubZerOo

sure,

and you can blame the Tea Party, this would be one of those few situations where you'd be absolutely justified in doing so.

Except we have had longstanding Republican congress voting against it as well..

you don't think that they're scared and influenced by the Tea Party?

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[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

Something called the Tea Party came along.... I thought the OT liberals would understand since you constantly bash them and complain about how radical they've made the GOP.

Storm_Marine

i've been saying that it's the Tea Party's fault. I usually sympathize with them, but they are sometimes absurdly stubborn.

Well you know what they say. The only good compromise in a bipartisan government of the people is NO compromise.

sounds right... k2theswiss

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sure,

and you can blame the Tea Party, this would be one of those few situations where you'd be absolutely justified in doing so.

Storm_Marine

Except we have had longstanding Republican congress voting against it as well..

you don't think that they're scared and influenced by the Tea Party?

You have wildy changed your excuses numerous times through out this thread.. Are you going to stick to this one now, that they are gutless cowards?

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Except we have had longstanding Republican congress voting against it as well..

sSubZerOo

you don't think that they're scared and influenced by the Tea Party?

You have wildy changed your excuses numerous times through out this thread.. Are you going to stick to this one now, that they are gutless cowards?

yawn, the fact that you took my reccomendations of insurance mandates and bailouts seriously tells me you don't know me in the slightest.

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you don't think that they're scared and influenced by the Tea Party?

Storm_Marine

You have wildy changed your excuses numerous times through out this thread.. Are you going to stick to this one now, that they are gutless cowards?

yawn, the fact that you took my reccomendations of insurance mandates and bailouts seriously tells me you don't know me in the slightest.

[QUOTE="Abbeten"][QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

it wasn't long ago that people like you were complaining about the way Bush handled Katrina, now it's suddenly the gold standard for disaster relief.

nocoolnamejim

Whatever happened to insurance? LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="Abbeten"] heh that's not at all what is happening hereDevilMightCry

Where was the immense outrage to pork in the Katrina relief bill?

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="Abbeten"] heh that's not at all what is happening hereDevilMightCry

While I agree that far too much pork is attached to bills like this, both parties can be blamed for doing it. I'd love to dredge up the Hurricane Katrina bill and see how much pork was attached to that, since we're compring how fast each disaster bill was passed. We should also compare how much random spending there was, and then you can have an adequate comparison, and thus justify you normal anger against liberals.

I would like to know when the United States changed from "We the People" to "fvck ya'll".

sSubZerOo

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I would like to know when the United States changed from "We the People" to "fvck ya'll".

comp_atkins

.............. Its in the preamble of the Constitution of the United States.. Another words the FIRST three words.

[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"][QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] Nope. The actual response from FEMA and the delay of Bush declaring it a disaster, going on vacation, etc. and how unprepared our government was were things that were criticized. The promptness and the bipartisan unanimity on voting for funding of relief efforts? Those were praiseworthy. If you seriously see nothing wrong with 179 Republicans voting against hurricane relief efforts for blue states after months of delay when there was no similar problems getting relief for RED states voted on and passed overwhelmingly then I fear you're a lost cause when it comes to being a reasonable person. What you're seeing here is what "derangement syndrome" really looks like. This is a vote so utterly uncontroversial that anyone who voted against it deserves to be shamed and mocked ceaselessly and demonstrates just how extreme and crazy the House GOP caucus has become.sSubZerOo

Where was the immense outrage to pork in the Katrina relief bill?

They're still mad about the election I thinkMcspanky37

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[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

nobody got hurt, who cares? you're just looking for an excuse to smear Republicans as unpatriotic/evil. as per usual with your threads. I expect this kind of stuff from Blue-sky but not a mod.

Storm_Marine

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different republicans, different platforms, there are alot of newcomers in congress that don't want to be seen voting for any new major spending. you all know this, it's just easier for you guys to make this a blue state red state thing

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

I would like to know when the United States changed from "We the People" to "fvck ya'll".

sSubZerOo

.............. Its in the preamble of the Constitution of the United States.. Another words the FIRST three words.

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/277379-50-billion-sandy-bill-splits-gop-but-clears-the-house#ixzz2I5vdh1mKTE

Could I get a list of what you consider to be "Pork" items in this relief bill DevilMightCry?nocoolnamejim

This is quite sad.

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/277379-50-billion-sandy-bill-splits-gop-but-clears-the-house#ixzz2I5vdh1mKTE [quote="nocoolnamejim"]Could I get a list of what you consider to be "Pork" items in this relief bill DevilMightCry?DevilMightCry

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http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/277379-50-billion-sandy-bill-splits-gop-but-clears-the-house#ixzz2I5vdh1mKTE [quote="nocoolnamejim"]Could I get a list of what you consider to be "Pork" items in this relief bill DevilMightCry?nocoolnamejim

$150 million for fisheries in Alaska damaged by the 2011 Japanese tsunami,

$41 million to repair military bases including Guantanamo Bay

$2 million to fix a roof at the Smithsonian Museum in Washington, D.C.

$13 billion for future flood preparations (money that will not be spent on victims of Sandy

Just a few I know of. But the issue is that there were no cuts to offset the pork. If it was just a clean bill you'd have almost no opposition. Or at least some balanced cuts with soending.

It is time for the blue states of america to stop support the welfare states of America.

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="DevilMightCry"] You can look at the bill at full length at Congress' website if you'd like. The biggest pork came from Republicans and the house asked for a clean bill simply for relief, but were denied. So this notion that they blocked it because of Democrats is absurd and shows how little you care about current events and politics in general. To make matters worse the CBO said that 90% of the actual funds are not going to be spent now, but next year. So much for immediate relief.

DevilMightCry

$150 million for fisheries in Alaska damaged by the 2011 Japanese tsunami,

$41 million to repair military bases including Guantanamo Bay

$2 million to fix a roof at the Smithsonian Museum in Washington, D.C.

$13 billion for future flood preparations (money that will not be spent on victims of Sandy

Just a few I know of. But the issue is that there were no cuts to offset the pork. If it was just a clean bill you'd have almost no opposition. Or at least some balanced cuts with soending.

Don't really see how that "pork" is bad... And considering two of those are about money going to Alaska and the military, I highly doubt House Republicans are not involved in creating that pork.

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="DevilMightCry"] You can look at the bill at full length at Congress' website if you'd like. The biggest pork came from Republicans and the house asked for a clean bill simply for relief, but were denied. So this notion that they blocked it because of Democrats is absurd and shows how little you care about current events and politics in general. To make matters worse the CBO said that 90% of the actual funds are not going to be spent now, but next year. So much for immediate relief.

DevilMightCry

$150 million for fisheries in Alaska damaged by the 2011 Japanese tsunami,

$41 million to repair military bases including Guantanamo Bay

$2 million to fix a roof at the Smithsonian Museum in Washington, D.C.

$13 billion for future flood preparations (money that will not be spent on victims of Sandy

Just a few I know of. But the issue is that there were no cuts to offset the pork. If it was just a clean bill you'd have almost no opposition. Or at least some balanced cuts with soending.

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[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] Still waiting for a list of the pork items. nocoolnamejim

$150 million for fisheries in Alaska damaged by the 2011 Japanese tsunami,

$41 million to repair military bases including Guantanamo Bay

$2 million to fix a roof at the Smithsonian Museum in Washington, D.C.

$13 billion for future flood preparations (money that will not be spent on victims of Sandy

Just a few I know of. But the issue is that there were no cuts to offset the pork. If it was just a clean bill you'd have almost no opposition. Or at least some balanced cuts with soending.

Well said. DevilMightCry and other conservatives are just making excuses.

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[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] Still waiting for a list of the pork items. nocoolnamejim

$150 million for fisheries in Alaska damaged by the 2011 Japanese tsunami,

$41 million to repair military bases including Guantanamo Bay

$2 million to fix a roof at the Smithsonian Museum in Washington, D.C.

$13 billion for future flood preparations (money that will not be spent on victims of Sandy

Just a few I know of. But the issue is that there were no cuts to offset the pork. If it was just a clean bill you'd have almost no opposition. Or at least some balanced cuts with soending.

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="DevilMightCry"] www.google.com

$150 million for fisheries in Alaska damaged by the 2011 Japanese tsunami,

$41 million to repair military bases including Guantanamo Bay

$2 million to fix a roof at the Smithsonian Museum in Washington, D.C.

$13 billion for future flood preparations (money that will not be spent on victims of Sandy

Just a few I know of. But the issue is that there were no cuts to offset the pork. If it was just a clean bill you'd have almost no opposition. Or at least some balanced cuts with soending.

DevilMightCry

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="DevilMightCry"] www.google.com

$150 million for fisheries in Alaska damaged by the 2011 Japanese tsunami,

$41 million to repair military bases including Guantanamo Bay

$2 million to fix a roof at the Smithsonian Museum in Washington, D.C.

$13 billion for future flood preparations (money that will not be spent on victims of Sandy

Just a few I know of. But the issue is that there were no cuts to offset the pork. If it was just a clean bill you'd have almost no opposition. Or at least some balanced cuts with soending.

DevilMightCry

[QUOTE="UCF_Knight"]I'd like to meet a hardcore conservative that lost their home to Sandy, yet is happy they're receiving less aid because of the national debt. It would be a personal liberal view in support of a conservative idea. Its like liberconception.DevilMightCry

Except that insurance companies can still try and dick you over even with mandatory insurance. "You" should pay for that because its a government's job to provide for the safety and well-being of a community at large. A large natural disaster is a reasonable cause of government intervention.

[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"][QUOTE="UCF_Knight"]I'd like to meet a hardcore conservative that lost their home to Sandy, yet is happy they're receiving less aid because of the national debt. It would be a personal liberal view in support of a conservative idea. Its like liberconception.XaosII

Actually I thought the House passed a $27 billion Sandy relief bill a few months ago, but the Senate didn't vote on the House's bill. Then the House passed a $9.7 billion Sandy relief bill earlier this month.

From what I understand part of the reason House Republicans opposed the Senate's version of the Sandy Relief bill (which was some $90 billion or so) was because it included tons of "pork" spending that was unrelated to Hurricane Sandy such as money from Amtrak. Congressman Huelskamp explained the various pork spending in the senate bill and why so many republicans opposed that bill on World Over Live with Raymond Arroyo recently. The video can be found here, Arroyo's interview with Huelskamp starts at about 10 minutes, 30 seconds into the video.