Has the world no shame in what Israel is doing?

#1 Posted by TehFuneral (8083 posts) -

Ok I'm not here to start a huge political debate about who's right, say whatever you want: Israel has the right to defend itself, right to exist, Palestinians keep firing rockets etc etc...

I just want to say this: For f**ks sake, they are killing CHILDREN. I don't give a single fck who's right or who's wrong here, why the f**k is it allowed to kill children? This is not about religion, who' right to exist or whatever... CHILDREN are being killed and people justify it as Israel's self defense / collateral damage. WHAT THE F**K?

I can post gazillion of pictures on killed/maimed Palestinians, but you've probably seen that.. but nah, the world cried with that Brazilian geezer who held the world cup when they lost to Germany, but when it comes to Palestinians being killed... meh.

How can people support Israel killing children? ... don't you at least give a single very small tiny f**k and ACCEPT that what Israel is doing is F**KED UP? If I was a Jew or an Israeli I would be ashamed. If I was an Israeli doctor, I would move to Gaza and risk getting kidnapped or killed, and help as much as I can. Why has no one stopped Israel from killing children?

Simple question: is humanity really lost from our world?

/rant

#2 Edited by chessmaster1989 (29701 posts) -
@TehFuneral said:

If I was an Israeli doctor, I would move to Gaza and risk getting kidnapped or killed, and help as much as I can. Why has no one stopped Israel from killing children?

Nothing is stopping you from going over and helping out as much as you can as is. So why don't you?

#3 Posted by TehFuneral (8083 posts) -

@chessmaster1989: Except the fact that I'm not a doctor.

#4 Posted by sibu_xgamer (340 posts) -

The world in general suffers from selective outrage. Normally the level of outrage is correlated with the color of the skin of the victims and the size of their wallets.

#5 Posted by chessmaster1989 (29701 posts) -
@TehFuneral said:

@chessmaster1989: Except the fact that I'm not a doctor.

You don't have to be a doctor to help. I'm sure there's plenty of relief-style efforts you could help with there that don't require a medical degree. Or more to the point, if you would go if you were a doctor, why not pursue a medical degree?

#6 Edited by Master_Live (15562 posts) -

What are you doing about it?

#7 Posted by Masculus (2878 posts) -

No, the forces that be do not give a shit. In the blink of an eye, humans will turn into targets given the convenience.

#8 Posted by lkjghhrkj (25 posts) -

As someone who lives in Israel, I keep seeing the same ignorant comments every time about how Israel is committing genocide, how it killing children's and so forth. First you need to understand that the vast majority of the people in Israel are not happy when unarmed civilians are being killed, as opposed to the Hamas which is openly glad and celebrated on every dead Israeli civilian. Second, Hamas is deliberately hiding behind women and children's and using them as human shields in order to cause more casualties so it can then publish images of dead people to the media (which many are actually fake). Also, I keep seeing people justifying the violence of Hamas and the people in Gaza by saying that Israel has a blockage on Gaza, thus, as they say, Israel is putting them in ghetto. However, the blockage was not created from nothing, the only reason for the blockage is that weapons and missiles won't get pass through Gaza's docks. If the people in Gaza will only say that they recognize Israel right to exists, and put the weapons down, there will be no blockage and no army forces inside Gaza. But since the Hamas was elected (44%, which is not a majority, but still a big portion of the population), and Hamas said explicitly that it wants to wipe out Israel, then the people in Gaza should live with the consequences. Now, you need to understand that a lot of pictures you see in the newspapers and in the media are just propaganda from palestinians reports, and also to get higher ratings and more traffic in websites, etc. Also, a lot of people in Israel have died also, but you won't see it, or hear about it in the media for some suspicious reasons.

#9 Edited by Solaryellow (693 posts) -

@TehFuneral said:

How can people support Israel killing children? ... don't you at least give a single very small tiny f**k and ACCEPT that what Israel is doing is F**KED UP? If I was a Jew or an Israeli I would be ashamed. If I was an Israeli doctor, I would move to Gaza and risk getting kidnapped or killed, and help as much as I can. Why has no one stopped Israel from killing children?

Perhaps if the Palestinians grew a set and told Hamas to pound sand rather than acting like cowards by planting arms and soldiers in the vicinity of civilians I might give a very small F. These people don't fight man-to-man but like cowards. Like other people have already said, you don't need to be a doctor to go and lend a hand. Maybe you should walk the walk? I made an error. Instead of using the word "soldiers" I should have used the term "terrorists."

#10 Posted by Monkey_N1nga (595 posts) -

@lkjghhrkj said:

As someone who lives in Israel, I keep seeing the same ignorant comments every time about how Israel is committing genocide, how it killing children's and so forth. First you need to understand that the vast majority of the people in Israel are not happy when unarmed civilians are being killed, as opposed to the Hamas which is openly glad and celebrated on every dead Israeli civilian. Second, Hamas is deliberately hiding behind women and children's and using them as human shields in order to cause more casualties so it can then publish images of dead people to the media (which many are actually fake). Also, I keep seeing people justifying the violence of Hamas and the people in Gaza by saying that Israel has a blockage on Gaza, thus, as they say, Israel is putting them in ghetto. However, the blockage was not created from nothing, the only reason for the blockage is that weapons and missiles won't get pass through Gaza's docks. If the people in Gaza will only say that they recognize Israel right to exists, and put the weapons down, there will be no blockage and no army forces inside Gaza. But since the Hamas was elected (44%, which is not a majority, but still a big portion of the population), and Hamas said explicitly that it wants to wipe out Israel, then the people in Gaza should live with the consequences. Now, you need to understand that a lot of pictures you see in the newspapers and in the media are just propaganda from palestinians reports, and also to get higher ratings and more traffic in websites, etc. Also, a lot of people in Israel have died also, but you won't see it, or hear about it in the media for some suspicious reasons.

How about the israelis looking at the gaza skyline from the hills. I was watching the news and heard them clapping and cheering on when israel launches their missiles. Please dont try and defend israel when they are the real murderers.

#11 Posted by lkjghhrkj (25 posts) -

@Monkey_N1nga said:

@lkjghhrkj said:

As someone who lives in Israel, I keep seeing the same ignorant comments every time about how Israel is committing genocide, how it killing children's and so forth. First you need to understand that the vast majority of the people in Israel are not happy when unarmed civilians are being killed, as opposed to the Hamas which is openly glad and celebrated on every dead Israeli civilian. Second, Hamas is deliberately hiding behind women and children's and using them as human shields in order to cause more casualties so it can then publish images of dead people to the media (which many are actually fake). Also, I keep seeing people justifying the violence of Hamas and the people in Gaza by saying that Israel has a blockage on Gaza, thus, as they say, Israel is putting them in ghetto. However, the blockage was not created from nothing, the only reason for the blockage is that weapons and missiles won't get pass through Gaza's docks. If the people in Gaza will only say that they recognize Israel right to exists, and put the weapons down, there will be no blockage and no army forces inside Gaza. But since the Hamas was elected (44%, which is not a majority, but still a big portion of the population), and Hamas said explicitly that it wants to wipe out Israel, then the people in Gaza should live with the consequences. Now, you need to understand that a lot of pictures you see in the newspapers and in the media are just propaganda from palestinians reports, and also to get higher ratings and more traffic in websites, etc. Also, a lot of people in Israel have died also, but you won't see it, or hear about it in the media for some suspicious reasons.

How about the israelis looking at the gaza skyline from the hills. I was watching the news and heard them clapping and cheering on when israel launches their missiles. Please dont try and defend israel when they are the real murderers.

These people are the minority (by the way, they are from Sderot, which is the most bombarded city from missiles). Just for an example, when the three Israeli teens where murdered, the palestinians did nothing to search after the murderers. On the other hand, when the Arab teen was murdered, the Israeli police has done all it could in order to chase after the murderers and now they are in jail. What I'm trying to say is that, yes, not all Israelis are saints, but the vast majority of the people, and the formal laws will do anything to chase after murderers and protect civilians, unlike the people in Gaza, which are being lead by a terrorist group.

#12 Posted by Flubbbs (3495 posts) -

zionist israel gets a free pass on everything and if you question them you are called anti semitic and hateful

#13 Posted by themajormayor (24126 posts) -

@Flubbbs said:

zionist israel gets a free pass on everything and if you question them you are called anti semitic and hateful

Well you are anti-semitic, and just racist in general, and hateful. That's your shtick. You're OT's resident KKK member basically. Man up and embrace it.

#14 Posted by Flubbbs (3495 posts) -

@themajormayor said:

@Flubbbs said:

zionist israel gets a free pass on everything and if you question them you are called anti semitic and hateful

Well you are anti-semitic, and just racist in general, and hateful. That's your shtick. You're OT's resident KKK member basically. Man up and embrace it.

how so?

#15 Edited by elkoldo (1416 posts) -
@themajormayor said:

@Flubbbs said:

zionist israel gets a free pass on everything and if you question them you are called anti semitic and hateful

Well you are anti-semitic, and just racist in general, and hateful. That's your shtick. You're OT's resident KKK member basically. Man up and embrace it.

He's all of those because he questioned Israel ? You're being unfair.

#16 Posted by vl4d_l3nin (985 posts) -
@TehFuneral said:

Simple question: is humanity really lost from our world?

It's lost from either of those countries. One side wants their women and kids killed, and the other side is happy to oblige.

#17 Posted by LJS9502_basic (152241 posts) -

Sorry but if you want to put the blame where it belongs.....HAMAS....then we'll talk. Yes it's a shame. But then I bet the numbers are highly exaggerated for political means.

#18 Posted by sibu_xgamer (340 posts) -

@lkjghhrkj said:

@Monkey_N1nga said:

@lkjghhrkj said:

As someone who lives in Israel, I keep seeing the same ignorant comments every time about how Israel is committing genocide, how it killing children's and so forth. First you need to understand that the vast majority of the people in Israel are not happy when unarmed civilians are being killed, as opposed to the Hamas which is openly glad and celebrated on every dead Israeli civilian. Second, Hamas is deliberately hiding behind women and children's and using them as human shields in order to cause more casualties so it can then publish images of dead people to the media (which many are actually fake). Also, I keep seeing people justifying the violence of Hamas and the people in Gaza by saying that Israel has a blockage on Gaza, thus, as they say, Israel is putting them in ghetto. However, the blockage was not created from nothing, the only reason for the blockage is that weapons and missiles won't get pass through Gaza's docks. If the people in Gaza will only say that they recognize Israel right to exists, and put the weapons down, there will be no blockage and no army forces inside Gaza. But since the Hamas was elected (44%, which is not a majority, but still a big portion of the population), and Hamas said explicitly that it wants to wipe out Israel, then the people in Gaza should live with the consequences. Now, you need to understand that a lot of pictures you see in the newspapers and in the media are just propaganda from palestinians reports, and also to get higher ratings and more traffic in websites, etc. Also, a lot of people in Israel have died also, but you won't see it, or hear about it in the media for some suspicious reasons.

How about the israelis looking at the gaza skyline from the hills. I was watching the news and heard them clapping and cheering on when israel launches their missiles. Please dont try and defend israel when they are the real murderers.

These people are the minority (by the way, they are from Sderot, which is the most bombarded city from missiles). Just for an example, when the three Israeli teens where murdered, the palestinians did nothing to search after the murderers. On the other hand, when the Arab teen was murdered, the Israeli police has done all it could in order to chase after the murderers and now they are in jail. What I'm trying to say is that, yes, not all Israelis are saints, but the vast majority of the people, and the formal laws will do anything to chase after murderers and protect civilians, unlike the people in Gaza, which are being lead by a terrorist group.

And do you think that the majority of palestinians are terrorists? No they aren't the majority are victims caught between murdering zionists and murdering muslims in a very small territory.

#19 Edited by SolidSnake35 (58226 posts) -

There are many problems in this world that go unaddressed. Half hearted efforts here and there. Nothing will change that. We can't even make people recycle because no one really cares. And those that do, are irrelevant.

#20 Posted by sibu_xgamer (340 posts) -

@elkoldo said:
@themajormayor said:

@Flubbbs said:

zionist israel gets a free pass on everything and if you question them you are called anti semitic and hateful

Well you are anti-semitic, and just racist in general, and hateful. That's your shtick. You're OT's resident KKK member basically. Man up and embrace it.

He's all of those because he questioned Israel ? You're being unfair.

True, specially considering a lot of Palestinians are also semitic. He could be anti-zionist but I don't see anything wrong with that, zionism must disappear.

#21 Edited by LJS9502_basic (152241 posts) -

@sibu_xgamer said:

@lkjghhrkj said:

@Monkey_N1nga said:

@lkjghhrkj said:

As someone who lives in Israel, I keep seeing the same ignorant comments every time about how Israel is committing genocide, how it killing children's and so forth. First you need to understand that the vast majority of the people in Israel are not happy when unarmed civilians are being killed, as opposed to the Hamas which is openly glad and celebrated on every dead Israeli civilian. Second, Hamas is deliberately hiding behind women and children's and using them as human shields in order to cause more casualties so it can then publish images of dead people to the media (which many are actually fake). Also, I keep seeing people justifying the violence of Hamas and the people in Gaza by saying that Israel has a blockage on Gaza, thus, as they say, Israel is putting them in ghetto. However, the blockage was not created from nothing, the only reason for the blockage is that weapons and missiles won't get pass through Gaza's docks. If the people in Gaza will only say that they recognize Israel right to exists, and put the weapons down, there will be no blockage and no army forces inside Gaza. But since the Hamas was elected (44%, which is not a majority, but still a big portion of the population), and Hamas said explicitly that it wants to wipe out Israel, then the people in Gaza should live with the consequences. Now, you need to understand that a lot of pictures you see in the newspapers and in the media are just propaganda from palestinians reports, and also to get higher ratings and more traffic in websites, etc. Also, a lot of people in Israel have died also, but you won't see it, or hear about it in the media for some suspicious reasons.

How about the israelis looking at the gaza skyline from the hills. I was watching the news and heard them clapping and cheering on when israel launches their missiles. Please dont try and defend israel when they are the real murderers.

These people are the minority (by the way, they are from Sderot, which is the most bombarded city from missiles). Just for an example, when the three Israeli teens where murdered, the palestinians did nothing to search after the murderers. On the other hand, when the Arab teen was murdered, the Israeli police has done all it could in order to chase after the murderers and now they are in jail. What I'm trying to say is that, yes, not all Israelis are saints, but the vast majority of the people, and the formal laws will do anything to chase after murderers and protect civilians, unlike the people in Gaza, which are being lead by a terrorist group.

And do you think that the majority of palestinians are terrorists? No they aren't the majority are victims caught between murdering zionists and murdering muslims in a very small territory.

They need to vote HAMAS out....that's a start.

#22 Posted by sonicare (53595 posts) -

I just hate when people say "woman and children" as if that makes a crime somehow worse. All people's lives have values. No more than any other.

I can't comment on who is right or wrong as I dont live there. I've heard convincing arguments from both sides. It's a shame that things cant be worked out diplomatically better. We tend to always seem to gravitate to a violence first mentality - and this isnt just limited to Israel and Palestine. It's how much of the world deals with conflict. Wish we could find better ways then dehumanizing the other guy and then throwing down.

#23 Edited by lkjghhrkj (25 posts) -

@sibu_xgamer:

@sibu_xgamer said:

@lkjghhrkj said:

@Monkey_N1nga said:

@lkjghhrkj said:

As someone who lives in Israel, I keep seeing the same ignorant comments every time about how Israel is committing genocide, how it killing children's and so forth. First you need to understand that the vast majority of the people in Israel are not happy when unarmed civilians are being killed, as opposed to the Hamas which is openly glad and celebrated on every dead Israeli civilian. Second, Hamas is deliberately hiding behind women and children's and using them as human shields in order to cause more casualties so it can then publish images of dead people to the media (which many are actually fake). Also, I keep seeing people justifying the violence of Hamas and the people in Gaza by saying that Israel has a blockage on Gaza, thus, as they say, Israel is putting them in ghetto. However, the blockage was not created from nothing, the only reason for the blockage is that weapons and missiles won't get pass through Gaza's docks. If the people in Gaza will only say that they recognize Israel right to exists, and put the weapons down, there will be no blockage and no army forces inside Gaza. But since the Hamas was elected (44%, which is not a majority, but still a big portion of the population), and Hamas said explicitly that it wants to wipe out Israel, then the people in Gaza should live with the consequences. Now, you need to understand that a lot of pictures you see in the newspapers and in the media are just propaganda from palestinians reports, and also to get higher ratings and more traffic in websites, etc. Also, a lot of people in Israel have died also, but you won't see it, or hear about it in the media for some suspicious reasons.

How about the israelis looking at the gaza skyline from the hills. I was watching the news and heard them clapping and cheering on when israel launches their missiles. Please dont try and defend israel when they are the real murderers.

These people are the minority (by the way, they are from Sderot, which is the most bombarded city from missiles). Just for an example, when the three Israeli teens where murdered, the palestinians did nothing to search after the murderers. On the other hand, when the Arab teen was murdered, the Israeli police has done all it could in order to chase after the murderers and now they are in jail. What I'm trying to say is that, yes, not all Israelis are saints, but the vast majority of the people, and the formal laws will do anything to chase after murderers and protect civilians, unlike the people in Gaza, which are being lead by a terrorist group.

And do you think that the majority of palestinians are terrorists? No they aren't the majority are victims caught between murdering zionists and murdering muslims in a very small territory.

As I mentioned before, 44% of the people in Gaza chose Hamas to lead them. 44% from 1.5 million is A LOT OF PEOPLE. Hamas said explicitly that it wants Israel out of the region map.

#24 Edited by Darkman2007 (17929 posts) -

@sibu_xgamer said:

@elkoldo said:
@themajormayor said:

@Flubbbs said:

zionist israel gets a free pass on everything and if you question them you are called anti semitic and hateful

Well you are anti-semitic, and just racist in general, and hateful. That's your shtick. You're OT's resident KKK member basically. Man up and embrace it.

He's all of those because he questioned Israel ? You're being unfair.

True, specially considering a lot of Palestinians are also semitic. He could be anti-zionist but I don't see anything wrong with that, zionism must disappear.

wow, the truly ignorant can type. Im amazed.

#25 Posted by sibu_xgamer (340 posts) -

@LJS9502_basic said:

@sibu_xgamer said:

@lkjghhrkj said:

@Monkey_N1nga said:

@lkjghhrkj said:

As someone who lives in Israel, I keep seeing the same ignorant comments every time about how Israel is committing genocide, how it killing children's and so forth. First you need to understand that the vast majority of the people in Israel are not happy when unarmed civilians are being killed, as opposed to the Hamas which is openly glad and celebrated on every dead Israeli civilian. Second, Hamas is deliberately hiding behind women and children's and using them as human shields in order to cause more casualties so it can then publish images of dead people to the media (which many are actually fake). Also, I keep seeing people justifying the violence of Hamas and the people in Gaza by saying that Israel has a blockage on Gaza, thus, as they say, Israel is putting them in ghetto. However, the blockage was not created from nothing, the only reason for the blockage is that weapons and missiles won't get pass through Gaza's docks. If the people in Gaza will only say that they recognize Israel right to exists, and put the weapons down, there will be no blockage and no army forces inside Gaza. But since the Hamas was elected (44%, which is not a majority, but still a big portion of the population), and Hamas said explicitly that it wants to wipe out Israel, then the people in Gaza should live with the consequences. Now, you need to understand that a lot of pictures you see in the newspapers and in the media are just propaganda from palestinians reports, and also to get higher ratings and more traffic in websites, etc. Also, a lot of people in Israel have died also, but you won't see it, or hear about it in the media for some suspicious reasons.

How about the israelis looking at the gaza skyline from the hills. I was watching the news and heard them clapping and cheering on when israel launches their missiles. Please dont try and defend israel when they are the real murderers.

These people are the minority (by the way, they are from Sderot, which is the most bombarded city from missiles). Just for an example, when the three Israeli teens where murdered, the palestinians did nothing to search after the murderers. On the other hand, when the Arab teen was murdered, the Israeli police has done all it could in order to chase after the murderers and now they are in jail. What I'm trying to say is that, yes, not all Israelis are saints, but the vast majority of the people, and the formal laws will do anything to chase after murderers and protect civilians, unlike the people in Gaza, which are being lead by a terrorist group.

And do you think that the majority of palestinians are terrorists? No they aren't the majority are victims caught between murdering zionists and murdering muslims in a very small territory.

They need to vote HAMAS out....that's a start.

And the israelis must vote the zionists out. It goes both ways.

#26 Posted by KiIIyou (27154 posts) -

The world cant hear ya, you gotta get in there with your hands and show it

#27 Edited by sibu_xgamer (340 posts) -

@Darkman2007 said:

@sibu_xgamer said:

@elkoldo said:
@themajormayor said:

@Flubbbs said:

zionist israel gets a free pass on everything and if you question them you are called anti semitic and hateful

Well you are anti-semitic, and just racist in general, and hateful. That's your shtick. You're OT's resident KKK member basically. Man up and embrace it.

He's all of those because he questioned Israel ? You're being unfair.

True, specially considering a lot of Palestinians are also semitic. He could be anti-zionist but I don't see anything wrong with that, zionism must disappear.

wow, the truly ignorant can type. Im amazed.

Care to elaborate? I hope that you realize that there are anti-zionist jews and israelites and that the semitic ancestry also includes arabs.

#28 Edited by LJS9502_basic (152241 posts) -

@sibu_xgamer said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@sibu_xgamer said:

@lkjghhrkj said:

@Monkey_N1nga said:

@lkjghhrkj said:

As someone who lives in Israel, I keep seeing the same ignorant comments every time about how Israel is committing genocide, how it killing children's and so forth. First you need to understand that the vast majority of the people in Israel are not happy when unarmed civilians are being killed, as opposed to the Hamas which is openly glad and celebrated on every dead Israeli civilian. Second, Hamas is deliberately hiding behind women and children's and using them as human shields in order to cause more casualties so it can then publish images of dead people to the media (which many are actually fake). Also, I keep seeing people justifying the violence of Hamas and the people in Gaza by saying that Israel has a blockage on Gaza, thus, as they say, Israel is putting them in ghetto. However, the blockage was not created from nothing, the only reason for the blockage is that weapons and missiles won't get pass through Gaza's docks. If the people in Gaza will only say that they recognize Israel right to exists, and put the weapons down, there will be no blockage and no army forces inside Gaza. But since the Hamas was elected (44%, which is not a majority, but still a big portion of the population), and Hamas said explicitly that it wants to wipe out Israel, then the people in Gaza should live with the consequences. Now, you need to understand that a lot of pictures you see in the newspapers and in the media are just propaganda from palestinians reports, and also to get higher ratings and more traffic in websites, etc. Also, a lot of people in Israel have died also, but you won't see it, or hear about it in the media for some suspicious reasons.

How about the israelis looking at the gaza skyline from the hills. I was watching the news and heard them clapping and cheering on when israel launches their missiles. Please dont try and defend israel when they are the real murderers.

These people are the minority (by the way, they are from Sderot, which is the most bombarded city from missiles). Just for an example, when the three Israeli teens where murdered, the palestinians did nothing to search after the murderers. On the other hand, when the Arab teen was murdered, the Israeli police has done all it could in order to chase after the murderers and now they are in jail. What I'm trying to say is that, yes, not all Israelis are saints, but the vast majority of the people, and the formal laws will do anything to chase after murderers and protect civilians, unlike the people in Gaza, which are being lead by a terrorist group.

And do you think that the majority of palestinians are terrorists? No they aren't the majority are victims caught between murdering zionists and murdering muslims in a very small territory.

They need to vote HAMAS out....that's a start.

And the israelis must vote the zionists out. It goes both ways.

Okay spout your hate rather than solving the problem. This is why we have conflicts throughout the world. Good job.

#29 Posted by sibu_xgamer (340 posts) -
@LJS9502_basic said:

@sibu_xgamer said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@sibu_xgamer said:

@lkjghhrkj said:

@Monkey_N1nga said:

@lkjghhrkj said:

As someone who lives in Israel, I keep seeing the same ignorant comments every time about how Israel is committing genocide, how it killing children's and so forth. First you need to understand that the vast majority of the people in Israel are not happy when unarmed civilians are being killed, as opposed to the Hamas which is openly glad and celebrated on every dead Israeli civilian. Second, Hamas is deliberately hiding behind women and children's and using them as human shields in order to cause more casualties so it can then publish images of dead people to the media (which many are actually fake). Also, I keep seeing people justifying the violence of Hamas and the people in Gaza by saying that Israel has a blockage on Gaza, thus, as they say, Israel is putting them in ghetto. However, the blockage was not created from nothing, the only reason for the blockage is that weapons and missiles won't get pass through Gaza's docks. If the people in Gaza will only say that they recognize Israel right to exists, and put the weapons down, there will be no blockage and no army forces inside Gaza. But since the Hamas was elected (44%, which is not a majority, but still a big portion of the population), and Hamas said explicitly that it wants to wipe out Israel, then the people in Gaza should live with the consequences. Now, you need to understand that a lot of pictures you see in the newspapers and in the media are just propaganda from palestinians reports, and also to get higher ratings and more traffic in websites, etc. Also, a lot of people in Israel have died also, but you won't see it, or hear about it in the media for some suspicious reasons.

How about the israelis looking at the gaza skyline from the hills. I was watching the news and heard them clapping and cheering on when israel launches their missiles. Please dont try and defend israel when they are the real murderers.

These people are the minority (by the way, they are from Sderot, which is the most bombarded city from missiles). Just for an example, when the three Israeli teens where murdered, the palestinians did nothing to search after the murderers. On the other hand, when the Arab teen was murdered, the Israeli police has done all it could in order to chase after the murderers and now they are in jail. What I'm trying to say is that, yes, not all Israelis are saints, but the vast majority of the people, and the formal laws will do anything to chase after murderers and protect civilians, unlike the people in Gaza, which are being lead by a terrorist group.

And do you think that the majority of palestinians are terrorists? No they aren't the majority are victims caught between murdering zionists and murdering muslims in a very small territory.

They need to vote HAMAS out....that's a start.

And the israelis must vote the zionists out. It goes both ways.

Okay spout your hate rather than solving the problem. This is why we have conflicts throughout the world. Good job.

I wish I could solve the problem single-handedly but that's kind of unrealistic. I'm giving my opinion as you did. Nothing more.

#30 Posted by LJS9502_basic (152241 posts) -

@sibu_xgamer said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

@sibu_xgamer said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@sibu_xgamer said:

And do you think that the majority of palestinians are terrorists? No they aren't the majority are victims caught between murdering zionists and murdering muslims in a very small territory.

They need to vote HAMAS out....that's a start.

And the israelis must vote the zionists out. It goes both ways.

Okay spout your hate rather than solving the problem. This is why we have conflicts throughout the world. Good job.

I wish I could solve the problem single-handedly but that's kind of unrealistic. I'm giving my opinion as you did. Nothing more.

Opinion? Is that a way for you to spread hate and hide behind it? Right now HAMAS is the reason this fighting is going on. Israel is where it is. It's not going to be moved. Time people accepted that and went on with their lives. Peacefully.

#31 Posted by Darkman2007 (17929 posts) -
@sibu_xgamer said:

@Darkman2007 said:

@sibu_xgamer said:

@elkoldo said:
@themajormayor said:

@Flubbbs said:

zionist israel gets a free pass on everything and if you question them you are called anti semitic and hateful

Well you are anti-semitic, and just racist in general, and hateful. That's your shtick. You're OT's resident KKK member basically. Man up and embrace it.

He's all of those because he questioned Israel ? You're being unfair.

True, specially considering a lot of Palestinians are also semitic. He could be anti-zionist but I don't see anything wrong with that, zionism must disappear.

wow, the truly ignorant can type. Im amazed.

Care to elaborate? I hope that you realize that there are anti-zionist jews and israelites and that the semitic ancestry also includes arabs.

bringing up anti Zionist Jews doesn't mean a whole lot, it doesn't tell you much about Zionism , Jews or Israel , in WW2 there were people in Britain who cheered on for the Germans who flattened their country, Im assuming then that the Germans were great friends of the British people? doesn't really work that way. Besides those ultra orthodox types still want the entirety of the land of Israel , with the non Jews leaving or being non citizens at best, they are just waiting for the messiah to arrive.

That you decide to use them as some sort of defense, shows you know nothing about Jews , or about Zionism for that matter. I suggest you do a bit of studying before talking about groups of people you know nothing about, just a bit of advice.

bringing up Arab's semitic ancestry (and they are of course semites) is a dumb play on words that really ignores the origins of the term anti semitism, the term itself was first used (as far as I know) by a 19th Century German publicist by the name of Wilhelm Marr, who used the term to specifically describe hatred of Jews based on their race (their semitism , so to speak). It did not include Arabs or any other semites. The term still has this meaning and if you don't like it , go argue with the dictionary and the corpse of Wilhelm Marr. This shows you don't even know the basic meanings of the term you used.

#32 Posted by themajormayor (24126 posts) -

@elkoldo said:
@themajormayor said:

@Flubbbs said:

zionist israel gets a free pass on everything and if you question them you are called anti semitic and hateful

Well you are anti-semitic, and just racist in general, and hateful. That's your shtick. You're OT's resident KKK member basically. Man up and embrace it.

He's all of those because he questioned Israel ? You're being unfair.

nonono, most of his posts are simply white supremacist light posts. It's not just with regards to Jews but blacks as well and I'm sure alot of other peoples. I'll see if I can dig up some of his stuff. I would never say that for someone who merely questions Israel, I do it myself alot too. Maybe less than the average person but I do nevertheless.

#33 Posted by themajormayor (24126 posts) -

@sibu_xgamer said:

@elkoldo said:
@themajormayor said:

@Flubbbs said:

zionist israel gets a free pass on everything and if you question them you are called anti semitic and hateful

Well you are anti-semitic, and just racist in general, and hateful. That's your shtick. You're OT's resident KKK member basically. Man up and embrace it.

He's all of those because he questioned Israel ? You're being unfair.

True, specially considering a lot of Palestinians are also semitic. He could be anti-zionist but I don't see anything wrong with that, zionism must disappear.

The definition of antisemitism is not hate against any Semitic people. It is specifically against Jews. It's a misnomer of sorts. In any case do you know what Zionism actually means in the first place? There's a good reason why many people see anti-Zionism as very close to antisemitism

#34 Edited by Serraph105 (28459 posts) -

go over there tc, hop a plane help anyone you can in any way you can. lots of things to be done for people over there that don't need any sort of medical degree you go for it buddy.

#35 Posted by Master_Live (15562 posts) -

Every time I see an Israel/Palestine thread I think of this:

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#36 Posted by Flubbbs (3495 posts) -

@themajormayor said:

@sibu_xgamer said:

@elkoldo said:
@themajormayor said:

@Flubbbs said:

zionist israel gets a free pass on everything and if you question them you are called anti semitic and hateful

Well you are anti-semitic, and just racist in general, and hateful. That's your shtick. You're OT's resident KKK member basically. Man up and embrace it.

He's all of those because he questioned Israel ? You're being unfair.

True, specially considering a lot of Palestinians are also semitic. He could be anti-zionist but I don't see anything wrong with that, zionism must disappear.

The definition of antisemitism is not hate against any Semitic people. It is specifically against Jews. It's a misnomer of sorts. In any case do you know what Zionism actually means in the first place? There's a good reason why many people see anti-Zionism as very close to antisemitism

zionism is an ideology. you dont have to be jewish to be a zionist... zionism is just a modern form of nazism

#37 Edited by PS4hasNOgames (2281 posts) -

They aren't purposely killing children, Hamas hides in schools and and hospitals using their own people as shields. Open your eyes and learn something.

#38 Posted by sibu_xgamer (340 posts) -

@LJS9502_basic said:

@sibu_xgamer said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

@sibu_xgamer said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@sibu_xgamer said:

And do you think that the majority of palestinians are terrorists? No they aren't the majority are victims caught between murdering zionists and murdering muslims in a very small territory.

They need to vote HAMAS out....that's a start.

And the israelis must vote the zionists out. It goes both ways.

Okay spout your hate rather than solving the problem. This is why we have conflicts throughout the world. Good job.

I wish I could solve the problem single-handedly but that's kind of unrealistic. I'm giving my opinion as you did. Nothing more.

Opinion? Is that a way for you to spread hate and hide behind it? Right now HAMAS is the reason this fighting is going on. Israel is where it is. It's not going to be moved. Time people accepted that and went on with their lives. Peacefully.

Well Israel has more violations of UN resolutions than any other country even before Hamas came to power. That means that more than a few reasons why people consider that Israel is responsible too. Unless we must just ignore the law altogether and accept that. I personally don't see how it should be acceptable to occupy foreign land and expect to be no consequences.

#39 Posted by themajormayor (24126 posts) -
@sibu_xgamer said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@sibu_xgamer said:

@lkjghhrkj said:

@Monkey_N1nga said:

@lkjghhrkj said:

As someone who lives in Israel, I keep seeing the same ignorant comments every time about how Israel is committing genocide, how it killing children's and so forth. First you need to understand that the vast majority of the people in Israel are not happy when unarmed civilians are being killed, as opposed to the Hamas which is openly glad and celebrated on every dead Israeli civilian. Second, Hamas is deliberately hiding behind women and children's and using them as human shields in order to cause more casualties so it can then publish images of dead people to the media (which many are actually fake). Also, I keep seeing people justifying the violence of Hamas and the people in Gaza by saying that Israel has a blockage on Gaza, thus, as they say, Israel is putting them in ghetto. However, the blockage was not created from nothing, the only reason for the blockage is that weapons and missiles won't get pass through Gaza's docks. If the people in Gaza will only say that they recognize Israel right to exists, and put the weapons down, there will be no blockage and no army forces inside Gaza. But since the Hamas was elected (44%, which is not a majority, but still a big portion of the population), and Hamas said explicitly that it wants to wipe out Israel, then the people in Gaza should live with the consequences. Now, you need to understand that a lot of pictures you see in the newspapers and in the media are just propaganda from palestinians reports, and also to get higher ratings and more traffic in websites, etc. Also, a lot of people in Israel have died also, but you won't see it, or hear about it in the media for some suspicious reasons.

How about the israelis looking at the gaza skyline from the hills. I was watching the news and heard them clapping and cheering on when israel launches their missiles. Please dont try and defend israel when they are the real murderers.

These people are the minority (by the way, they are from Sderot, which is the most bombarded city from missiles). Just for an example, when the three Israeli teens where murdered, the palestinians did nothing to search after the murderers. On the other hand, when the Arab teen was murdered, the Israeli police has done all it could in order to chase after the murderers and now they are in jail. What I'm trying to say is that, yes, not all Israelis are saints, but the vast majority of the people, and the formal laws will do anything to chase after murderers and protect civilians, unlike the people in Gaza, which are being lead by a terrorist group.

And do you think that the majority of palestinians are terrorists? No they aren't the majority are victims caught between murdering zionists and murdering muslims in a very small territory.

They need to vote HAMAS out....that's a start.

And the israelis must vote the zionists out. It goes both ways.

Israelis voting Zionists out is technically possible but borderline contradictory since it means voting for someone who doesn't believe their country has the right to exist.

#40 Posted by themajormayor (24126 posts) -

@Flubbbs said:

@themajormayor said:

@sibu_xgamer said:

@elkoldo said:
@themajormayor said:

@Flubbbs said:

zionist israel gets a free pass on everything and if you question them you are called anti semitic and hateful

Well you are anti-semitic, and just racist in general, and hateful. That's your shtick. You're OT's resident KKK member basically. Man up and embrace it.

He's all of those because he questioned Israel ? You're being unfair.

True, specially considering a lot of Palestinians are also semitic. He could be anti-zionist but I don't see anything wrong with that, zionism must disappear.

The definition of antisemitism is not hate against any Semitic people. It is specifically against Jews. It's a misnomer of sorts. In any case do you know what Zionism actually means in the first place? There's a good reason why many people see anti-Zionism as very close to antisemitism

zionism is an ideology. you dont have to be jewish to be a zionist... zionism is just a modern form of nazism

Ok. I know. Define Zionism and provided that it is a correct description explain how it is a form of Nazism.

#41 Posted by sibu_xgamer (340 posts) -

@Darkman2007 said:
@sibu_xgamer said:

@Darkman2007 said:

@sibu_xgamer said:

@elkoldo said:
@themajormayor said:

@Flubbbs said:

zionist israel gets a free pass on everything and if you question them you are called anti semitic and hateful

Well you are anti-semitic, and just racist in general, and hateful. That's your shtick. You're OT's resident KKK member basically. Man up and embrace it.

He's all of those because he questioned Israel ? You're being unfair.

True, specially considering a lot of Palestinians are also semitic. He could be anti-zionist but I don't see anything wrong with that, zionism must disappear.

wow, the truly ignorant can type. Im amazed.

Care to elaborate? I hope that you realize that there are anti-zionist jews and israelites and that the semitic ancestry also includes arabs.

bringing up anti Zionist Jews doesn't mean a whole lot, it doesn't tell you much about Zionism , Jews or Israel , in WW2 there were people in Britain who cheered on for the Germans who flattened their country, Im assuming then that the Germans were great friends of the British people? doesn't really work that way. Besides those ultra orthodox types still want the entirety of the land of Israel , with the non Jews leaving or being non citizens at best, they are just waiting for the messiah to arrive.

That you decide to use them as some sort of defense, shows you know nothing about Jews , or about Zionism for that matter. I suggest you do a bit of studying before talking about groups of people you know nothing about, just a bit of advice.

bringing up Arab's semitic ancestry (and they are of course semites) is a dumb play on words that really ignores the origins of the term anti semitism, the term itself was first used (as far as I know) by a 19th Century German publicist by the name of Wilhelm Marr, who used the term to specifically describe hatred of Jews based on their race (their semitism , so to speak). It did not include Arabs or any other semites. The term still has this meaning and if you don't like it , go argue with the dictionary and the corpse of Wilhelm Marr. This shows you don't even know the basic meanings of the term you used.

I'm using the lingusitic/historical origin of the word. If you want to use a specific meaning then go ahead but the way I used it is correct historically and semantically. You can't expect everyone to use your preferred term just because you want it.

Likewise I'm using the zionist term in my own way as a way to describe the current notion that Israel is somehow entitled to the land and that they are a superior race chosen by God. That makes the zionist movement almost a racist movement. Of course at some point it could have meant something different but not from my perspective right now.

Also how come intelligent knowledgeable jews like Noam Chomsky and Norman Finkelstein agree with me? These people have studied and specialized themselves in this conflict more than all the people here put together and they have similar views. Are you going to treat them as ignorant too?

#42 Posted by sibu_xgamer (340 posts) -

@themajormayor said:
@sibu_xgamer said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@sibu_xgamer said:

@lkjghhrkj said:

@Monkey_N1nga said:

@lkjghhrkj said:

As someone who lives in Israel, I keep seeing the same ignorant comments every time about how Israel is committing genocide, how it killing children's and so forth. First you need to understand that the vast majority of the people in Israel are not happy when unarmed civilians are being killed, as opposed to the Hamas which is openly glad and celebrated on every dead Israeli civilian. Second, Hamas is deliberately hiding behind women and children's and using them as human shields in order to cause more casualties so it can then publish images of dead people to the media (which many are actually fake). Also, I keep seeing people justifying the violence of Hamas and the people in Gaza by saying that Israel has a blockage on Gaza, thus, as they say, Israel is putting them in ghetto. However, the blockage was not created from nothing, the only reason for the blockage is that weapons and missiles won't get pass through Gaza's docks. If the people in Gaza will only say that they recognize Israel right to exists, and put the weapons down, there will be no blockage and no army forces inside Gaza. But since the Hamas was elected (44%, which is not a majority, but still a big portion of the population), and Hamas said explicitly that it wants to wipe out Israel, then the people in Gaza should live with the consequences. Now, you need to understand that a lot of pictures you see in the newspapers and in the media are just propaganda from palestinians reports, and also to get higher ratings and more traffic in websites, etc. Also, a lot of people in Israel have died also, but you won't see it, or hear about it in the media for some suspicious reasons.

How about the israelis looking at the gaza skyline from the hills. I was watching the news and heard them clapping and cheering on when israel launches their missiles. Please dont try and defend israel when they are the real murderers.

These people are the minority (by the way, they are from Sderot, which is the most bombarded city from missiles). Just for an example, when the three Israeli teens where murdered, the palestinians did nothing to search after the murderers. On the other hand, when the Arab teen was murdered, the Israeli police has done all it could in order to chase after the murderers and now they are in jail. What I'm trying to say is that, yes, not all Israelis are saints, but the vast majority of the people, and the formal laws will do anything to chase after murderers and protect civilians, unlike the people in Gaza, which are being lead by a terrorist group.

And do you think that the majority of palestinians are terrorists? No they aren't the majority are victims caught between murdering zionists and murdering muslims in a very small territory.

They need to vote HAMAS out....that's a start.

And the israelis must vote the zionists out. It goes both ways.

Israelis voting Zionists out is technically possible but borderline contradictory since it means voting for someone who doesn't believe their country has the right to exist.

There are many non-zionist jews who think Israel has the right to exist but not in the current state of things. And lets be honest, this conflict is not going to be fixed if Israel doesn't realize that or, as an alternative, they wipe out the entire plaestinian population.

#43 Posted by LJS9502_basic (152241 posts) -

@sibu_xgamer said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

Opinion? Is that a way for you to spread hate and hide behind it? Right now HAMAS is the reason this fighting is going on. Israel is where it is. It's not going to be moved. Time people accepted that and went on with their lives. Peacefully.

Well Israel has more violations of UN resolutions than any other country even before Hamas came to power. That means that more than a few reasons why people consider that Israel is responsible too. Unless we must just ignore the law altogether and accept that. I personally don't see how it should be acceptable to occupy foreign land and expect to be no consequences.

How do you think every country in existence came to be? No people ever just handed over land.

#44 Edited by sibu_xgamer (340 posts) -

@LJS9502_basic said:

@sibu_xgamer said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

Opinion? Is that a way for you to spread hate and hide behind it? Right now HAMAS is the reason this fighting is going on. Israel is where it is. It's not going to be moved. Time people accepted that and went on with their lives. Peacefully.

Well Israel has more violations of UN resolutions than any other country even before Hamas came to power. That means that more than a few reasons why people consider that Israel is responsible too. Unless we must just ignore the law altogether and accept that. I personally don't see how it should be acceptable to occupy foreign land and expect to be no consequences.

How do you think every country in existence came to be? No people ever just handed over land.

Yeah but we now have institutions to ensure that a country can't just go and take land as they please. Israel is violating the law there. Unless of course we declare a lawless world where every country can take whatever they want by force without repercutions.

#45 Edited by Darkman2007 (17929 posts) -
@sibu_xgamer said:

@Darkman2007 said:
@sibu_xgamer said:

@Darkman2007 said:

@sibu_xgamer said:

@elkoldo said:
@themajormayor said:

@Flubbbs said:

zionist israel gets a free pass on everything and if you question them you are called anti semitic and hateful

Well you are anti-semitic, and just racist in general, and hateful. That's your shtick. You're OT's resident KKK member basically. Man up and embrace it.

He's all of those because he questioned Israel ? You're being unfair.

True, specially considering a lot of Palestinians are also semitic. He could be anti-zionist but I don't see anything wrong with that, zionism must disappear.

wow, the truly ignorant can type. Im amazed.

Care to elaborate? I hope that you realize that there are anti-zionist jews and israelites and that the semitic ancestry also includes arabs.

bringing up anti Zionist Jews doesn't mean a whole lot, it doesn't tell you much about Zionism , Jews or Israel , in WW2 there were people in Britain who cheered on for the Germans who flattened their country, Im assuming then that the Germans were great friends of the British people? doesn't really work that way. Besides those ultra orthodox types still want the entirety of the land of Israel , with the non Jews leaving or being non citizens at best, they are just waiting for the messiah to arrive.

That you decide to use them as some sort of defense, shows you know nothing about Jews , or about Zionism for that matter. I suggest you do a bit of studying before talking about groups of people you know nothing about, just a bit of advice.

bringing up Arab's semitic ancestry (and they are of course semites) is a dumb play on words that really ignores the origins of the term anti semitism, the term itself was first used (as far as I know) by a 19th Century German publicist by the name of Wilhelm Marr, who used the term to specifically describe hatred of Jews based on their race (their semitism , so to speak). It did not include Arabs or any other semites. The term still has this meaning and if you don't like it , go argue with the dictionary and the corpse of Wilhelm Marr. This shows you don't even know the basic meanings of the term you used.

I'm using the lingusitic/historical origin of the word. If you want to use a specific meaning then go ahead but the way I used it is correct historically and semantically. You can't expect everyone to use your preferred term just because you want it.

Likewise I'm using the zionist term in my own way as a way to describe the current notion that Israel is somehow entitled to the land and that they are a superior race chosen by God. That makes the zionist movement almost a racist movement. Of course at some point it could have meant something different but not from my perspective right now.

Also how come intelligent knowledgeable jews like Noam Chomsky and Norman Finkelstein agree with me? These people have studied and specialized themselves in this conflict more than all the people here put together and they have similar views. Are you going to treat them as ignorant too?

no, youre using the meaning you want to suit yourself, I merely quoted from the dictionary. In fact, here is the definition from the Oxford dictionary

"Hostility to or prejudice against Jews". (and I suggest you go look yourself)

that is the generally accepted meaning of the term , again , if you don't like it, go argue with the dictionary.

again , why hide behined Jews like that? are you unable to either grasp the topic at hand or unable to articulate your ideas? seems to me so , and what I said regarding this "well , if a tiny portion of group A supports group B , then obviously group B is right" . But since youre using this tactic, Im going to do the same.

"A small minority of Americans believe the 9/11 attacks were justified and correct, obviously this means the 9/11 attackers were right and also great friends of the United States"

sounds ridiculous? yeah I thought so , all of a sudden when I flip this dumb tactic on another people it doesn't make much sense

Interesting where you got that from , Ive never heard any Jew consider himself to be racially superior to anyone (and as a Jew,I know a lot more than you about this), and apparently no other people feel entitled to some piece of land in the world....nope the English do not feel entitled to England, and the Chinese don't care about China...

Again , study a bit before you talk.

#46 Edited by LJS9502_basic (152241 posts) -

@sibu_xgamer said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@sibu_xgamer said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

Opinion? Is that a way for you to spread hate and hide behind it? Right now HAMAS is the reason this fighting is going on. Israel is where it is. It's not going to be moved. Time people accepted that and went on with their lives. Peacefully.

Well Israel has more violations of UN resolutions than any other country even before Hamas came to power. That means that more than a few reasons why people consider that Israel is responsible too. Unless we must just ignore the law altogether and accept that. I personally don't see how it should be acceptable to occupy foreign land and expect to be no consequences.

How do you think every country in existence came to be? No people ever just handed over land.

Yeah but we now have institutions to ensure that a country can't just go and take land as they please. Israel is violating the law there. Unless of course we declare a lawless world where every country can take whatever they want by force without repercutions.

No we don't. The world only takes notice if it's a country important to their interests.

#47 Posted by Ackad (3183 posts) -

@TehFuneral said:

If I was an Israeli doctor, I would move to Gaza and risk getting kidnapped or killed, and help as much as I can.

/rant

Be a good samaritan and help the the israelites/Palestinians Op. You don't need a doctoral degree in medicine to help those in need.

#48 Posted by foxhound_fox (90491 posts) -

Blame the desensitized herd.

#49 Posted by themajormayor (24126 posts) -

@sibu_xgamer said:

@Darkman2007 said:
@sibu_xgamer said:

@Darkman2007 said:

@sibu_xgamer said:

@elkoldo said:
@themajormayor said:

@Flubbbs said:

zionist israel gets a free pass on everything and if you question them you are called anti semitic and hateful

Well you are anti-semitic, and just racist in general, and hateful. That's your shtick. You're OT's resident KKK member basically. Man up and embrace it.

He's all of those because he questioned Israel ? You're being unfair.

True, specially considering a lot of Palestinians are also semitic. He could be anti-zionist but I don't see anything wrong with that, zionism must disappear.

wow, the truly ignorant can type. Im amazed.

Care to elaborate? I hope that you realize that there are anti-zionist jews and israelites and that the semitic ancestry also includes arabs.

bringing up anti Zionist Jews doesn't mean a whole lot, it doesn't tell you much about Zionism , Jews or Israel , in WW2 there were people in Britain who cheered on for the Germans who flattened their country, Im assuming then that the Germans were great friends of the British people? doesn't really work that way. Besides those ultra orthodox types still want the entirety of the land of Israel , with the non Jews leaving or being non citizens at best, they are just waiting for the messiah to arrive.

That you decide to use them as some sort of defense, shows you know nothing about Jews , or about Zionism for that matter. I suggest you do a bit of studying before talking about groups of people you know nothing about, just a bit of advice.

bringing up Arab's semitic ancestry (and they are of course semites) is a dumb play on words that really ignores the origins of the term anti semitism, the term itself was first used (as far as I know) by a 19th Century German publicist by the name of Wilhelm Marr, who used the term to specifically describe hatred of Jews based on their race (their semitism , so to speak). It did not include Arabs or any other semites. The term still has this meaning and if you don't like it , go argue with the dictionary and the corpse of Wilhelm Marr. This shows you don't even know the basic meanings of the term you used.

I'm using the lingusitic/historical origin of the word. If you want to use a specific meaning then go ahead but the way I used it is correct historically and semantically. You can't expect everyone to use your preferred term just because you want it.

Likewise I'm using the zionist term in my own way as a way to describe the current notion that Israel is somehow entitled to the land and that they are a superior race chosen by God. That makes the zionist movement almost a racist movement. Of course at some point it could have meant something different but not from my perspective right now.

Also how come intelligent knowledgeable jews like Noam Chomsky and Norman Finkelstein agree with me? These people have studied and specialized themselves in this conflict more than all the people here put together and they have similar views. Are you going to treat them as ignorant too?

No you're not. As he said, the word originated from a 19th century German. And it was specifically for Jews. That's the definition. Check a dictionary.

Words lose their meaning if every person would assign different arbitrary definitions to them. Those who believe that Jews are chosen by God are adherents of Judaism in general, Zionist or not. Very few Zionists actually believe that Jews are a superior race.

They are not very intelligent. If you want to talk about an intelligent anti-Zionist then I think Christopher Hitchens is a good choice. I'm not that sure cause I haven't read that much of him. But from what I know he seems intelligent and reasonable.

#50 Posted by LJS9502_basic (152241 posts) -

@sibu_xgamer said:

@Darkman2007 said:
@sibu_xgamer said:

@Darkman2007 said:

@sibu_xgamer said:

@elkoldo said:
@themajormayor said:

@Flubbbs said:

zionist israel gets a free pass on everything and if you question them you are called anti semitic and hateful

Well you are anti-semitic, and just racist in general, and hateful. That's your shtick. You're OT's resident KKK member basically. Man up and embrace it.

He's all of those because he questioned Israel ? You're being unfair.

True, specially considering a lot of Palestinians are also semitic. He could be anti-zionist but I don't see anything wrong with that, zionism must disappear.

wow, the truly ignorant can type. Im amazed.

Care to elaborate? I hope that you realize that there are anti-zionist jews and israelites and that the semitic ancestry also includes arabs.

bringing up anti Zionist Jews doesn't mean a whole lot, it doesn't tell you much about Zionism , Jews or Israel , in WW2 there were people in Britain who cheered on for the Germans who flattened their country, Im assuming then that the Germans were great friends of the British people? doesn't really work that way. Besides those ultra orthodox types still want the entirety of the land of Israel , with the non Jews leaving or being non citizens at best, they are just waiting for the messiah to arrive.

That you decide to use them as some sort of defense, shows you know nothing about Jews , or about Zionism for that matter. I suggest you do a bit of studying before talking about groups of people you know nothing about, just a bit of advice.

bringing up Arab's semitic ancestry (and they are of course semites) is a dumb play on words that really ignores the origins of the term anti semitism, the term itself was first used (as far as I know) by a 19th Century German publicist by the name of Wilhelm Marr, who used the term to specifically describe hatred of Jews based on their race (their semitism , so to speak). It did not include Arabs or any other semites. The term still has this meaning and if you don't like it , go argue with the dictionary and the corpse of Wilhelm Marr. This shows you don't even know the basic meanings of the term you used.

I'm using the lingusitic/historical origin of the word. If you want to use a specific meaning then go ahead but the way I used it is correct historically and semantically. You can't expect everyone to use your preferred term just because you want it.

Likewise I'm using the zionist term in my own way as a way to describe the current notion that Israel is somehow entitled to the land and that they are a superior race chosen by God. That makes the zionist movement almost a racist movement. Of course at some point it could have meant something different but not from my perspective right now.

Also how come intelligent knowledgeable jews like Noam Chomsky and Norman Finkelstein agree with me? These people have studied and specialized themselves in this conflict more than all the people here put together and they have similar views. Are you going to treat them as ignorant too?

FYI....anti antisemitism relates to Jewish people....not Semitic people in general