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#1 Posted by LegitGamer3212 (1616 posts) -

So I'm not very knowledgeable about the war going on right now in the Middle East between Israel and Gaza. I do know they went to war in 2009, most of Israel's population is Jewish and Israel is stronger military wise. My father told me a long time ago 6 countries allied up to fight Israel and Israel still won. I been hearing all over the internet and TV about the war and how Israel is about to invade Gaza and terminate Hamas. Anyone with alot of knowledge about this war can give me and anyone else a brief history about why they're fighting and what the effect of this war will be?

#2 Posted by l4dak47 (6838 posts) -
Very complicated issue.
#3 Posted by chessmaster1989 (29510 posts) -
Very complicated issue. l4dak47
#4 Posted by coolbeans90 (21305 posts) -

[QUOTE="l4dak47"]Very complicated issue. chessmaster1989

#6 Posted by ShadowMoses900 (17081 posts) -

The Jews want to live in peace and democracy, but an anti-semitic terrorist group known as Hamas does not want this so they kill Jews on sight and fire rockets at civilians.

Israel trying to protect it's self and it's people hunts Hamas down and tries to kill them, all the while trying to avoid civilian casualties as much as possible (which are caused by Hamas using civilians to hide behind). Then the anti-semites across the world try to put the blame on Israel and Zionists.

Also Hamas isn't the only threat, there are other terrorist groups such as Hezbolla that want to kill Jews as well. There are 22 Arab countries and even more Muslim countries, there is only 1 very small Jewish country. It's easy to see who is being bullied here, it's Israel.

This is truth, end of story. Make sure you are on the side of the Jews, we are the good guys and we love our supporters!

#7 Posted by SAGE_OF_FIRE (15589 posts) -

The Jews want to live in peace and democracy, but an anti-semitic terrorist group known as Hamas does not want this so they kill Jews on sight and fire rockets at civilians.

Israel trying to protect it's self and it's people hunts Hamas down and tries to kill them, all the while trying to avoid civilian casualties as much as possible (which are caused by Hamas using civilians to hide behind). Then the anti-semites across the world try to put the blame on Israel and Zionists.

Also Hamas isn't the only threat, there are other terrorist groups such as Hezbolla that want to kill Jews as well. There are 22 Arab countries and even more Muslim countries, there is only 1 very small Jewish country. It's easy to see who is being bullied here, it's Israel.

This is truth, end of story. Make sure you are on the side of the Jews, we are the good guys and we love our supporters!

ShadowMoses900
lol
#8 Posted by dercoo (12555 posts) -

The cliff notes:

-Small Israel state was officially founded post WW2 by Britain. Regional neighbors tried to axe them, but failed.

-Six Day War: Egypt along with surrounding nations decided to finish what they started and prepared to destroy Israel. Israel knowing this got in a preemptive strike destroying Egypt's air force. The Israel air force proceeded to ***** Egypt's ground forces, and later Egypt's invading allies. All in all, Israel gained allot of territory including Jerusalem & the Palestine territories.

-flash forward a few decades and wars: Israel made peace with Egypt by giving back their land. Israel still manages(occupies) Palestine as there is no stable state, but chaos. In this chaos Hamas was born who resents Israel's very right to exist. They are an extremist terrorist faction who took advantage of Palatines resentment towards more or less being Israel's slave state, and grabed power in the region. Israel, the constant target of Hamas, can't allow them to run free so constently gets involved. Their involment builds the hate for Israel which in tern strengthens Hamas.

#9 Posted by LegitGamer3212 (1616 posts) -

The cliff notes:

-Small Israel state was officially founded post WW2 by Britain. Regional neighbors tried to axe them, but failed.

-Six Day War: Egypt along with surrounding nations decided to finish what they started and prepared to destroy Israel. Israel knowing this got in a preemptive strike destroying Egypt's air force. The Israel air force proceeded to ***** Egypt's ground forces, and later Egypt's invading allies. All in all, Israel gained allot of territory including Jerusalem & the Palestine territories.

-flash forward a few decades and wars: Israel made peace with Egypt by giving back their land. Israel still manages(occupies) Palestine as there is no stable state, but chaos. In this chaos Hamas was born who resents Israel's very right to exist. They are an extremist terrorist faction who took advantage of Palatines resentment towards more or less being Israel's slave state, and grabed power in the region. Israel, the constant target of Hamas, can't allow them to run free so constently gets involved. Their involment builds the hate for Israel which in tern strengthens Hamas.

dercoo

So as of today Egypt is allied with Israel while Pakistan and Iran is allied with Hamas?

#10 Posted by iHarlequin (1789 posts) -

The Jews want to live in peace and democracy, but an anti-semitic terrorist group known as Hamas does not want this so they kill Jews on sight and fire rockets at civilians.

Israel trying to protect it's self and it's people hunts Hamas down and tries to kill them, all the while trying to avoid civilian casualties as much as possible (which are caused by Hamas using civilians to hide behind). Then the anti-semites across the world try to put the blame on Israel and Zionists.

Also Hamas isn't the only threat, there are other terrorist groups such as Hezbolla that want to kill Jews as well. There are 22 Arab countries and even more Muslim countries, there is only 1 very small Jewish country. It's easy to see who is being bullied here, it's Israel.

This is truth, end of story. Make sure you are on the side of the Jews, we are the good guys and we love our supporters!

ShadowMoses900

The only claim I'll bother disputing is the highlighted one, even though I disagree with the other ones. Let me make it clear: without U.S. funding, Israel is, economically/military-wise, as strong as a turd. It would get absolutely crushed in, literally, a matter of days. But it is supported by the U.S., and I fail to see how anyone that has the world's largest power (by far) backing them is the under-dog.

#11 Posted by dercoo (12555 posts) -

[QUOTE="dercoo"]

The cliff notes:

-Small Israel state was officially founded post WW2 by Britain. Regional neighbors tried to axe them, but failed.

-Six Day War: Egypt along with surrounding nations decided to finish what they started and prepared to destroy Israel. Israel knowing this got in a preemptive strike destroying Egypt's air force. The Israel air force proceeded to ***** Egypt's ground forces, and later Egypt's invading allies. All in all, Israel gained allot of territory including Jerusalem & the Palestine territories.

-flash forward a few decades and wars: Israel made peace with Egypt by giving back their land. Israel still manages(occupies) Palestine as there is no stable state, but chaos. In this chaos Hamas was born who resents Israel's very right to exist. They are an extremist terrorist faction who took advantage of Palatines resentment towards more or less being Israel's slave state, and grabed power in the region. Israel, the constant target of Hamas, can't allow them to run free so constently gets involved. Their involment builds the hate for Israel which in tern strengthens Hamas.

LegitGamer3212

So as of today Egypt is allied with Israel while Pakistan and Iran is allied with Hamas?

Old Egypt(pre-revoution) became neutral. They decided to call it a day, and leave it alone.

They got back control over the Suez Canal(the territory Israel gave back threatened this), and they wished to keep it.

Current Egypt... I'm not sure.

Iran supports Hamas as they troll Israel.

Pakistan sides with Hamas, but tries not to rock the boat on the issue as they are a US ally.

#12 Posted by kingkong0124 (8710 posts) -

The Jews want to live in peace and democracy, but an anti-semitic terrorist group known as Hamas does not want this so they kill Jews on sight and fire rockets at civilians.

Israel trying to protect it's self and it's people hunts Hamas down and tries to kill them, all the while trying to avoid civilian casualties as much as possible (which are caused by Hamas using civilians to hide behind). Then the anti-semites across the world try to put the blame on Israel and Zionists.

Also Hamas isn't the only threat, there are other terrorist groups such as Hezbolla that want to kill Jews as well. There are 22 Arab countries and even more Muslim countries, there is only 1 very small Jewish country. It's easy to see who is being bullied here, it's Israel.

This is truth, end of story. Make sure you are on the side of the Jews, we are the good guys and we love our supporters!

ShadowMoses900
this is on point.
#13 Posted by dramaybaz (6020 posts) -

[QUOTE="dercoo"]

The cliff notes:

-Small Israel state was officially founded post WW2 by Britain. Regional neighbors tried to axe them, but failed.

-Six Day War: Egypt along with surrounding nations decided to finish what they started and prepared to destroy Israel. Israel knowing this got in a preemptive strike destroying Egypt's air force. The Israel air force proceeded to ***** Egypt's ground forces, and later Egypt's invading allies. All in all, Israel gained allot of territory including Jerusalem & the Palestine territories.

-flash forward a few decades and wars: Israel made peace with Egypt by giving back their land. Israel still manages(occupies) Palestine as there is no stable state, but chaos. In this chaos Hamas was born who resents Israel's very right to exist. They are an extremist terrorist faction who took advantage of Palatines resentment towards more or less being Israel's slave state, and grabed power in the region. Israel, the constant target of Hamas, can't allow them to run free so constently gets involved. Their involment builds the hate for Israel which in tern strengthens Hamas.

LegitGamer3212

So as of today Egypt is allied with Israel while Pakistan and Iran is allied with Hamas?

Where did Pakistan come into this?
#14 Posted by ShadowMoses900 (17081 posts) -

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

The Jews want to live in peace and democracy, but an anti-semitic terrorist group known as Hamas does not want this so they kill Jews on sight and fire rockets at civilians.

Israel trying to protect it's self and it's people hunts Hamas down and tries to kill them, all the while trying to avoid civilian casualties as much as possible (which are caused by Hamas using civilians to hide behind). Then the anti-semites across the world try to put the blame on Israel and Zionists.

Also Hamas isn't the only threat, there are other terrorist groups such as Hezbolla that want to kill Jews as well. There are 22 Arab countries and even more Muslim countries, there is only 1 very small Jewish country. It's easy to see who is being bullied here, it's Israel.

This is truth, end of story. Make sure you are on the side of the Jews, we are the good guys and we love our supporters!

SAGE_OF_FIRE

lol

Laugh all you want, but it's the truth. And those who stand with the Jews will be made kings later, those who stand against us will be destroyed.

As God said, referring to the children of Israel:

Genesis 12:3 "I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse, and people on Earth will be bless through you".

#15 Posted by SAGE_OF_FIRE (15589 posts) -

[QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

The Jews want to live in peace and democracy, but an anti-semitic terrorist group known as Hamas does not want this so they kill Jews on sight and fire rockets at civilians.

Israel trying to protect it's self and it's people hunts Hamas down and tries to kill them, all the while trying to avoid civilian casualties as much as possible (which are caused by Hamas using civilians to hide behind). Then the anti-semites across the world try to put the blame on Israel and Zionists.

Also Hamas isn't the only threat, there are other terrorist groups such as Hezbolla that want to kill Jews as well. There are 22 Arab countries and even more Muslim countries, there is only 1 very small Jewish country. It's easy to see who is being bullied here, it's Israel.

This is truth, end of story. Make sure you are on the side of the Jews, we are the good guys and we love our supporters!

ShadowMoses900

lol

Laugh all you want, but it's the truth. And those who stand with the Jews will be made kings later, those who stand against us will be destroyed.

As God said, referring to the children of Israel:

Genesis 12:3 "I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse, and people on Earth will be bless through you".

You sound like a cartoon stereotype.
#16 Posted by DrTrafalgarLaw (4440 posts) -

Some fools decided it's a great idea to start a state on someone elses property, as an apology for the holocaust. They did not ask for the consent of the original inhabitants, the palestinian. The arabs exerted their right to defend a foreign invasion but they lost. The ultra-zionist goverment has the Palestinian as slaves as of speaking. The Palestinians are driven away from their homes at an alarming rate, their houses being demolished or refurnished for the new settlers, they are constantly held up and humiliated at every military checkpoint, as far as stopping the injured and ounded to an hospital. It's an open air prison.
Israel showers the Palestinians daily with rockets and air strikes, to fend off these so-called terrorists...throwing rocks...

Don't believe the propaganda fools like shadowmoses is spreading. He is blind to see hat kind of monster his people in Isreal have become. Poor soul...
Don't ever believe western media as they are controlled by zionist lobbies.

#17 Posted by ShadowMoses900 (17081 posts) -

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"] lol SAGE_OF_FIRE

Laugh all you want, but it's the truth. And those who stand with the Jews will be made kings later, those who stand against us will be destroyed.

As God said, referring to the children of Israel:

Genesis 12:3 "I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse, and people on Earth will be bless through you".

You sound like a cartoon stereotype.

What is that supposed to mean? Guess you can't argue a good response.

#18 Posted by -Sun_Tzu- (17384 posts) -
[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"] lol SAGE_OF_FIRE

Laugh all you want, but it's the truth. And those who stand with the Jews will be made kings later, those who stand against us will be destroyed.

As God said, referring to the children of Israel:

Genesis 12:3 "I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse, and people on Earth will be bless through you".

You sound like a cartoon stereotype.

You have some balls on you to mock the Jew King of OT
#19 Posted by WhiteKnight77 (12018 posts) -

The cliff notes:

-Israelites banashed by the Romans from lands that they lived on since the 12th to the 13th centuries BCE.

-Small Israel state was officially founded post WW2 by the UN after riots by the Jews for the ability to rule themselves. This after the League of Nations Mandate granted Britian rule of Palestine. Regional neighbors tried to axe them, but failed.

-Six Day War: Egypt along with surrounding nations decided to finish what they started and prepared to destroy Israel. Israel knowing this got in a preemptive strike destroying Egypt's air force. The Israel air force proceeded to ***** Egypt's ground forces, and later Egypt's invading allies. All in all, Israel gained allot of territory including Jerusalem & the Palestine territories.

-flash forward a few decades and wars: Israel made peace with Egypt by giving back their land. Israel still manages(occupies) Palestine as there is no stable state, but chaos. In this chaos Hamas was born who resents Israel's very right to exist. They are an extremist terrorist faction who took advantage of Palatines resentment towards more or less being Israel's slave state, and grabed power in the region. Israel, the constant target of Hamas, can't allow them to run free so constently gets involved. Their involment builds the hate for Israel which in tern strengthens Hamas.

dercoo

Fix somewhat.

#20 Posted by fluffers623 (1769 posts) -
displaced jews were booty hurt after wwII and carved out israel from Palestinian territory naturally, everyone is mad and arabs retaliate israel gets massive funding from western world, they are a force to be reckoned with. turns out israel is just another terrorist organization along with the CIA > just a huge conspiracy
#21 Posted by one_plum (6360 posts) -

[QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

The Jews want to live in peace and democracy, but an anti-semitic terrorist group known as Hamas does not want this so they kill Jews on sight and fire rockets at civilians.

Israel trying to protect it's self and it's people hunts Hamas down and tries to kill them, all the while trying to avoid civilian casualties as much as possible (which are caused by Hamas using civilians to hide behind). Then the anti-semites across the world try to put the blame on Israel and Zionists.

Also Hamas isn't the only threat, there are other terrorist groups such as Hezbolla that want to kill Jews as well. There are 22 Arab countries and even more Muslim countries, there is only 1 very small Jewish country. It's easy to see who is being bullied here, it's Israel.

This is truth, end of story. Make sure you are on the side of the Jews, we are the good guys and we love our supporters!

ShadowMoses900

lol

Laugh all you want, but it's the truth. And those who stand with the Jews will be made kings later, those who stand against us will be destroyed.

As God said, referring to the children of Israel:

Genesis 12:3 "I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse, and people on Earth will be bless through you".

lol

#22 Posted by hartsickdiscipl (14787 posts) -

[QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

The Jews want to live in peace and democracy, but an anti-semitic terrorist group known as Hamas does not want this so they kill Jews on sight and fire rockets at civilians.

Israel trying to protect it's self and it's people hunts Hamas down and tries to kill them, all the while trying to avoid civilian casualties as much as possible (which are caused by Hamas using civilians to hide behind). Then the anti-semites across the world try to put the blame on Israel and Zionists.

Also Hamas isn't the only threat, there are other terrorist groups such as Hezbolla that want to kill Jews as well. There are 22 Arab countries and even more Muslim countries, there is only 1 very small Jewish country. It's easy to see who is being bullied here, it's Israel.

This is truth, end of story. Make sure you are on the side of the Jews, we are the good guys and we love our supporters!

ShadowMoses900

lol

Laugh all you want, but it's the truth. And those who stand with the Jews will be made kings later, those who stand against us will be destroyed.

As God said, referring to the children of Israel:

Genesis 12:3 "I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse, and people on Earth will be bless through you".

Genesis 12:3 is a major part of why the US has continued to support Israel, even with their sometimes questionable operations and methods. There is an embedded, sometimes subconscious need for the mainly Christian-run US to support the largely Jewish nation of Israel. We hate what the Nazis did the to Jews, and we figure that since Jesus was a Jew, we owe them something. The fact is that the Jews lost God's blessing after they rejected Jesus and participated in his execution.

#23 Posted by dangamit (633 posts) -
Israel occupies Palestinian lands and builds illegal settlements on them. When Palestinians fight to liberate their land they are called terrorists and are killed indiscriminately by Israel, who receives most of it's weaponry from the US.
#24 Posted by CreasianDevaili (4178 posts) -
[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

The Jews want to live in peace and democracy, but an anti-semitic terrorist group known as Hamas does not want this so they kill Jews on sight and fire rockets at civilians.

Israel trying to protect it's self and it's people hunts Hamas down and tries to kill them, all the while trying to avoid civilian casualties as much as possible (which are caused by Hamas using civilians to hide behind). Then the anti-semites across the world try to put the blame on Israel and Zionists.

Also Hamas isn't the only threat, there are other terrorist groups such as Hezbolla that want to kill Jews as well. There are 22 Arab countries and even more Muslim countries, there is only 1 very small Jewish country. It's easy to see who is being bullied here, it's Israel.

This is truth, end of story. Make sure you are on the side of the Jews, we are the good guys and we love our supporters!

lol

Laugh all you want, but it's the truth. And those who stand with the Jews will be made kings later, those who stand against us will be destroyed.

As God said, referring to the children of Israel:

Genesis 12:3 "I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse, and people on Earth will be bless through you".

So the United States is your god? But in all honesty how do jews bless the people of earth? The only thing that the jews are known for in the world anymore is WWII documentaries and killing arabs. Of course most countries in the middle east are only known for killing arabs but hey.
#25 Posted by hippiesanta (9915 posts) -
Watch the movie "KINGDOM HEAVEN" ..... then you get some clue
#26 Posted by guynamedbilly (12967 posts) -
A lot of the Palestinians in Gaza lived where Israel is now nearly before WW2. Britain controlled all of that territory so they kicked the Palestinians out and told the Jewish refuges to have at it. The Jews weren't wanted elsewhere so they didn't really have a choice, and the British and UN were too strong to counter so the Palestinians didn't really have a choice. They were displaced to make room for the Jews. That's why it's always been so violent between them. The surrounding countries and the Palestinians did try to invade Israel with one mass attack, but with US support the Israelis held them off. Israel is much stronger than the Palestinians, and they have a stronger more modern society, which is growing. Some of their population has been settling in the areas where the Palestinians have been living since they were displaced, and the Palestinians see this as a takeover of what they might have left. The main problem is that the Palestinian territory is led by some under-educated, violent politicians(which is understandable considering how they've been living the past half decade) who believe they can win some kind of financial or political favor by attacking Israel, so they have been launching brief attacks and rocket barrages on Israel for a long time. After a while, Israel gets tired of this and fights back. The media always treats Palestine as the victim partly because they are so poor and have much less land area. They were victims, as were the Jews. It's time to move on and be adults and figure out a way to join the 21st century.
#27 Posted by WiiCubeM1 (4728 posts) -

Hamas trying to "destroy" Israel from Gaza? That's like accusing a flea of trying to "destroy" a dog.     riofriob

Islamic extremists are still trying to destroy America, and that's no joke.

#28 Posted by hartsickdiscipl (14787 posts) -

[QUOTE="riofriob"]Hamas trying to "destroy" Israel from Gaza? That's like accusing a flea of trying to "destroy" a dog.     WiiCubeM1

Islamic extremists are still trying to destroy America, and that's no joke.

No, foreign bankers are trying to destroy the US. Globalist scum are bankrupting the US and our morals have been undermined to the point where most of us can't tell up from down or right from left anymore.

#29 Posted by WhiteKnight77 (12018 posts) -

Hamas trying to "destroy" Israel from Gaza? That's like accusing a flea of trying to "destroy" a dog.     riofriob

Your pics are not showing. You might want to try another hosting place.

#30 Posted by WiiCubeM1 (4728 posts) -

[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]

[QUOTE="riofriob"]Hamas trying to "destroy" Israel from Gaza? That's like accusing a flea of trying to "destroy" a dog.     hartsickdiscipl

Islamic extremists are still trying to destroy America, and that's no joke.

No, foreign bankers are trying to destroy the US. Globalist scum are bankrupting the US and our morals have been undermined to the point where most of us can't tell up from down or right from left anymore.

And Islamic extremists are, too.

We can have more than one foreign enemy.

#31 Posted by sogni_belli (950 posts) -

If you truly want to gain some historical perspective on the Palestine-Israel conflict, I suggest you do some reading on your own. As you've seen, most responses you will get here are heavily biased one way or the other. Make up your own mind about the situation; don't let extremists on both sides color your perceptions about the conflict.

For a short but factual chronology of the events that have led to this conflict, you can read the forward to Jimmy Carter's book Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid. Mr. Carter gives a rather good timeline that lays out the relevant historical facts. If you didn't know, President Carter facilitated the Camp David Accords, which eventually led to Egypt recognizing Israel as a state. President Carter does interject his personal biases into the book; however, the historical timeline at the beginning is factual and un-biased.

There are a host of other great books and analyses of the conflict, but that is a good start for someone unfamiliar with the situation.

#32 Posted by RadecSupreme (4698 posts) -

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

The Jews want to live in peace and democracy, but an anti-semitic terrorist group known as Hamas does not want this so they kill Jews on sight and fire rockets at civilians.

Israel trying to protect it's self and it's people hunts Hamas down and tries to kill them, all the while trying to avoid civilian casualties as much as possible (which are caused by Hamas using civilians to hide behind). Then the anti-semites across the world try to put the blame on Israel and Zionists.

Also Hamas isn't the only threat, there are other terrorist groups such as Hezbolla that want to kill Jews as well. There are 22 Arab countries and even more Muslim countries, there is only 1 very small Jewish country. It's easy to see who is being bullied here, it's Israel.

This is truth, end of story. Make sure you are on the side of the Jews, we are the good guys and we love our supporters!

iHarlequin

The only claim I'll bother disputing is the highlighted one, even though I disagree with the other ones. Let me make it clear: without U.S. funding, Israel is, economically/military-wise, as strong as a turd. It would get absolutely crushed in, literally, a matter of days. But it is supported by the U.S., and I fail to see how anyone that has the world's largest power (by far) backing them is the under-dog.

As far as I know US gives Israel weapons and armament which Israel pays for anyways same with the jet fighters and that's all. US do not give them manpower or even much intel. Most of the intel comes from Israel themselves and they use their OWN troops and tactics. They are severely outnumbered by 3-4 countries who attacked them twice and they used their limited population, their advanced weaponry and their tactics to defeat their opponents. They create many of their own stuff such as the UZI, desert eagle, that new Iron Dome defense system, the Merkava heavy tank. Israel is the underdog and they destroyed all those foolish arab states and even annexed their land but gave it back because they cried after defeat.

#33 Posted by avneet1 (236 posts) -

[QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

The Jews want to live in peace and democracy, but an anti-semitic terrorist group known as Hamas does not want this so they kill Jews on sight and fire rockets at civilians.

Israel trying to protect it's self and it's people hunts Hamas down and tries to kill them, all the while trying to avoid civilian casualties as much as possible (which are caused by Hamas using civilians to hide behind). Then the anti-semites across the world try to put the blame on Israel and Zionists.

Also Hamas isn't the only threat, there are other terrorist groups such as Hezbolla that want to kill Jews as well. There are 22 Arab countries and even more Muslim countries, there is only 1 very small Jewish country. It's easy to see who is being bullied here, it's Israel.

This is truth, end of story. Make sure you are on the side of the Jews, we are the good guys and we love our supporters!

ShadowMoses900

lol

Laugh all you want, but it's the truth. And those who stand with the Jews will be made kings later, those who stand against us will be destroyed.

As God said, referring to the children of Israel:

Genesis 12:3 "I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse, and people on Earth will be bless through you".

Haha. Didn't think I'd find a radical religious person on gamespot. You know we got problems when wars and killing is justified by people who use religion as the reason. Isn't that the same reason most of us Americans use against Muslims? That they "kill in the name of God". Anyone else see the irony in ShadowMoses's post? It's ok when it's in the Genesis.
#34 Posted by TacticalDesire (10713 posts) -

The Jews want to live in peace and democracy, but an anti-semitic terrorist group known as Hamas does not want this so they kill Jews on sight and fire rockets at civilians.

Israel trying to protect it's self and it's people hunts Hamas down and tries to kill them, all the while trying to avoid civilian casualties as much as possible (which are caused by Hamas using civilians to hide behind). Then the anti-semites across the world try to put the blame on Israel and Zionists.

Also Hamas isn't the only threat, there are other terrorist groups such as Hezbolla that want to kill Jews as well. There are 22 Arab countries and even more Muslim countries, there is only 1 very small Jewish country. It's easy to see who is being bullied here, it's Israel.

This is truth, end of story. Make sure you are on the side of the Jews, we are the good guys and we love our supporters!

ShadowMoses900

Bro, quit Jewing around.

#35 Posted by RadecSupreme (4698 posts) -

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"] lol avneet1

Laugh all you want, but it's the truth. And those who stand with the Jews will be made kings later, those who stand against us will be destroyed.

As God said, referring to the children of Israel:

Genesis 12:3 "I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse, and people on Earth will be bless through you".

Haha. Didn't think I'd find a radical religious person on gamespot. You know we got problems when wars and killing is justified by people who use religion as the reason. Isn't that the same reason most of us Americans use against Muslims? That they "kill in the name of God". Anyone else see the irony in ShadowMoses's post? It's ok when it's in the Genesis.

Who gives a crap what he says, it's what he does that matters. And I don't believe he is justifying killing anyone, only trying to convince for support but that doesn't matter anyways. I support the Israelis.

#36 Posted by th3warr1or (20640 posts) -
[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"] lol avneet1

Laugh all you want, but it's the truth. And those who stand with the Jews will be made kings later, those who stand against us will be destroyed.

As God said, referring to the children of Israel:

Genesis 12:3 "I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse, and people on Earth will be bless through you".

Haha. Didn't think I'd find a radical religious person on gamespot. You know we got problems when wars and killing is justified by people who use religion as the reason. Isn't that the same reason most of us Americans use against Muslims? That they "kill in the name of God". Anyone else see the irony in ShadowMoses's post? It's ok when it's in the Genesis.

He didn't even mention killing anyone, so no there's hardly any irony.
#37 Posted by avneet1 (236 posts) -

Oh sorry... I guess when curse is being used to justify the attacks on Gaza, it doesn't mean the deaths. Just the explosions have happen and accidently kill 50% innocent bystanders. My bad. I guess I'm brain washed and quick to defend without thinking if something might be wrong. :cool:

#38 Posted by LegitGamer3212 (1616 posts) -

So basically what I got out of this thread is, After WW2 displaced Jews needed somewhere to go so they invaded Palestinian territory, carved out a piece of land and made it their home. This home is now called Israel. Palestinians and many other Arab nations want to remove the Jews and this placed called Israel so they shower them all the time with mortar and artillery. The U.S feels bad for Israel so the U.S supplies Israel with high tech weapons, with these high tech weapons they successfully defend themselves against many Arab nations including Palestine. Now Palestine and the Arab nations are pissed once again and want to kick the Jews out and claim back this land called Israel that the Jews created. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

#39 Posted by -Sun_Tzu- (17384 posts) -

So basically what I got out of this thread is, After WW2 displaced Jews needed somewhere to go so they invaded Palestinian territory, carved out a piece of land and made it their home. This home is now called Israel. Palestinians and many other Arab nations want to remove the Jews and this placed called Israel so they shower them all the time with mortar and artillery. The U.S feels bad for Israel so the U.S supplies Israel with high tech weapons, with these high tech weapons they successfully defend themselves against many Arab nations including Palestine. Now Palestine and the Arab nations are pissed once again and want to kick the Jews out and claim back this land called Israel that the Jews created. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

LegitGamer3212
The Jews didn't just pop up in Palestine after WWII.
#40 Posted by SaudiFury (8707 posts) -

seeds of the conflict really starts to show up right around WWII.

Anyone who'se done a bit of research on the holocaust, specifically what was going on before the Nazi's took over the country, and even then before the Nazi's went full on "Final Solution" mode. A lot of Jews were trying to leave the region for safer places. one of the top places was the US. unfortunately it was pretty common to be anti-semetic back then in the good ol' USA of as well. even turning a ship full of refugees to return to Germany (a bit ironic if you know what is said on the statue of liberty).

The one other really popular place that was possible to move to was to the British Mandate of Palestine, or as the Jews think of it - Israel. It got so bad with so many immigrants coming in that the British made fixed rates of how many could come in, that didn't help.

It's foolish to say that Israel was made just out of guilt for what happened in WWII, it wasn't like the British just pop gave up empty desert territory to the Jews, there was already a large number of Jewish people living there, a conflict was certain to happen regardless of what the British tried doing.

the conundrum is, the people of Palestine were not soverign, they couldn't tell the colonial empire - Britain - no to anymore Jewish refugees. in a sense, imagine if some third party held down Texas, and let Mexicans return there almost uninhibited, whenever that third party decides to leave or what to do with the territory doesn't matter. a fight's gonna happen regardless.

Hamas, Islamic jihad and whatever other terror groups in the Palestinian territory are fighting a suicidal fight. there is no calculus that can be crunched where any sort of asymmetrical engagement gives the Islamic terror groups a clear win, no political victory is ever gonna provide a state nevermind the elimination of the state.

and no nearby Arab/Islamic nation is gonna throw their neck on the line against Israel now, especially when it has tactical nukes.

and even then, on my Facebook feed, a lot of people howling about the bombings in Gaza... the year is 2012, the state of Israel was born in 1948. that's 64 years. most of us on this forum are 25 or younger. Just try and think about that, let that reality sink in.

The Palestinians must come up with a new strategy, making a plea to the UN will not do, suicide bombings will not do, neither will home-made rockets either. don't give the Israeli's more reason to paint the oppressed as the oppressors.

The dream of a Palestinian state is almost gone. armed resistance is no longer an option, and if they still wanna get suicidal, i got a good peaceful alternative. An Example. but it would require strong grassroot leadership by the Palestinians to unequivocally be against violence. give the IDF, and the Israeli hawks no reason to latch on to to continue the state of affairs. shame them for the situation, and the world will most certainly listen.

the Palestinians were gonna be 'collateral damage' anyways, might as well walk straight up to em at the border.

By the way, the notion being peddled around here that if the Palestinians just abandoned violence that the Israeli's would magically just be allright is foolish to the highest degree. this is politics, and war. no one is nice, no one is with pure intent. I sympathize greatly with the Palestinians for unwillingness to fully give up armed resistance, by evidence of what the Palestine Papers showed, the idea that the Israeli's are the arbiter of fairness and equity in negotiations is absolutely laughable.

and shows absolute ineptness and naivety.

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and if your reading this and you want a Jewish perspective, listen to Darkman, he's the one who knows the most about it. Shadowmoses is like the cartoon stereotype of the American Jew who naively, simpleton and blindingly supports Israel.

#41 Posted by wis3boi (31583 posts) -

[QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

The Jews want to live in peace and democracy, but an anti-semitic terrorist group known as Hamas does not want this so they kill Jews on sight and fire rockets at civilians.

Israel trying to protect it's self and it's people hunts Hamas down and tries to kill them, all the while trying to avoid civilian casualties as much as possible (which are caused by Hamas using civilians to hide behind). Then the anti-semites across the world try to put the blame on Israel and Zionists.

Also Hamas isn't the only threat, there are other terrorist groups such as Hezbolla that want to kill Jews as well. There are 22 Arab countries and even more Muslim countries, there is only 1 very small Jewish country. It's easy to see who is being bullied here, it's Israel.

This is truth, end of story. Make sure you are on the side of the Jews, we are the good guys and we love our supporters!

ShadowMoses900

lol

Laugh all you want, but it's the truth. And those who stand with the Jews will be made kings later, those who stand against us will be destroyed.

As God said, referring to the children of Israel:

Genesis 12:3 "I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse, and people on Earth will be bless through you".

How cute, cherry picking from the bible like it's supposed to mean something to us. Here, I can play this game too.

Ezekiel 23:20 There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.

4:12 And thou shalt eat it as barley cakes, and thou shalt bake it with dung that cometh out of man, in their sight.

#42 Posted by LegitGamer3212 (1616 posts) -

seeds of the conflict really starts to show up right around WWII.

Anyone who'se done a bit of research on the holocaust, specifically what was going on before the Nazi's took over the country, and even then before the Nazi's went full on "Final Solution" mode. A lot of Jews were trying to leave the region for safer places. one of the top places was the US. unfortunately it was pretty common to be anti-semetic back then in the good ol' USA of as well. even turning a ship full of refugees to return to Germany (a bit ironic if you know what is said on the statue of liberty).

The one other really popular place that was possible to move to was to the British Mandate of Palestine, or as the Jews think of it - Israel. It got so bad with so many immigrants coming in that the British made fixed rates of how many could come in, that didn't help.

It's foolish to say that Israel was made just out of guilt for what happened in WWII, it wasn't like the British just pop gave up empty desert territory to the Jews, there was already a large number of Jewish people living there, a conflict was certain to happen regardless of what the British tried doing.

the conundrum is, the people of Palestine were not soverign, they couldn't tell the colonial empire - Britain - no to anymore Jewish refugees. in a sense, imagine if some third party held down Texas, and let Mexicans return there almost uninhibited, whenever that third party decides to leave or what to do with the territory doesn't matter. a fight's gonna happen regardless.

Hamas, Islamic jihad and whatever other terror groups in the Palestinian territory are fighting a suicidal fight. there is no calculus that can be crunched where any sort of asymmetrical engagement gives the Islamic terror groups a clear win, no political victory is ever gonna provide a state nevermind the elimination of the state.

and no nearby Arab/Islamic nation is gonna throw their neck on the line against Israel now, especially when it has tactical nukes.

and even then, on my Facebook feed, a lot of people howling about the bombings in Gaza... the year is 2012, the state of Israel was born in 1948. that's 64 years. most of us on this forum are 25 or younger. Just try and think about that, let that reality sink in.

The Palestinians must come up with a new strategy, making a plea to the UN will not do, suicide bombings will not do, neither will home-made rockets either. don't give the Israeli's more reason to paint the oppressed as the oppressors.

The dream of a Palestinian state is almost gone. armed resistance is no longer an option, and if they still wanna get suicidal, i got a good peaceful alternative. An Example. but it would require strong grassroot leadership by the Palestinians to unequivocally be against violence. give the IDF, and the Israeli hawks no reason to latch on to to continue the state of affairs. shame them for the situation, and the world will most certainly listen.

the Palestinians were gonna be 'collateral damage' anyways, might as well walk straight up to em at the border.

By the way, the notion being peddled around here that if the Palestinians just abandoned violence that the Israeli's would magically just be allright is foolish to the highest degree. this is politics, and war. no one is nice, no one is with pure intent. I sympathize greatly with the Palestinians for unwillingness to fully give up armed resistance, by evidence of what the Palestine Papers showed, the idea that the Israeli's are the arbiter of fairness and equity in negotiations is absolutely laughable.

and shows absolute ineptness and naivety.

---------------

and if your reading this and you want a Jewish perspective, listen to Darkman, he's the one who knows the most about it. Shadowmoses is like the cartoon stereotype of the American Jew who naively, simpleton and blindingly supports Israel.

SaudiFury

seems like you know alot about the war, So who do you support Israel or the Hamas and other Arab nations? Furthermore, what do you believe would be a fair solution to all this fighting/.

#43 Posted by SaudiFury (8707 posts) -

seems like you know alot about the war, So who do you support Israel or the Hamas and other Arab nations? Furthermore, what do you believe would be a fair solution to all this fighting/.

LegitGamer3212

i'm most certainly not with Hamas, i empathize to a degree with Israel, i sympathize with the Palestinians.

As far as a 'fair deal'. some arrangment in regards to Jerusalem. the Right of Return will likely need to be dropped for the most part, there is no way Israel will allow millions of Palestinians diaspora to retun to Israel proper. Perhaps some symbolic number could be allowed back in but thats it.

However those Palestinians - currently living in their homes whether in Israel or occupied territories right now - who can prove with papers that they have the right to their house/home based on previous held legal agreements will be honored and not ignored and overruled.

The Palestinian state borders need to be mostly based on the 1967 borders, ideally most if not all the 300,000 settlers could be transferred back into Israel proper or they'd have to get residency/citizenship in the new Palestinian state. The reason i insist is a matter of being a country large enough with that many people to be able to support yourself.

Palestinians and Israeli's need to full trading partners, as well as allowing Palestinians full access and control over their water-table, river access, and air space (you know... like a soverign country would otherwise be allowed to have...).

However at the same token it would be of the responsiblity of the Palestinian government to curbe extremism and attempts at terrorism or instigating a fight with Israel.

I still maintain that on both sides, the parties of God have a veto power on the moderates, it's always the religious nut jobs/conservatives or the hawks who wanna have a fight and always gives reason why their side shouldn't trust the other.

As for Israel's concern about Palestinian army, I would argue those fears are unfounded, unless in the unlikely event that other Arab/Islamic nations who field a proper modern army starting setting up in the Palestinian state. At which point i wouldn't blame the Israeli's for pre-emptively striking.

There are literally three things that seem almost impossible to negotiate on, and someone's gotta give or compromise on.

Right of Return, Jerusalem, Settlements/Final Borders.

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At the moment it looks increasingly that the Palestinians will be a very large - possibly majority in the future - population that will have the same recognition as the Native Americans got in America.

#44 Posted by mayceV (4599 posts) -

So basically what I got out of this thread is, After WW2 displaced Jews needed somewhere to go so they invaded Palestinian territory, carved out a piece of land and made it their home. This home is now called Israel. Palestinians and many other Arab nations want to remove the Jews and this placed called Israel so they shower them all the time with mortar and artillery. The U.S feels bad for Israel so the U.S supplies Israel with high tech weapons, with these high tech weapons they successfully defend themselves against many Arab nations including Palestine. Now Palestine and the Arab nations are pissed once again and want to kick the Jews out and claim back this land called Israel that the Jews created. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

LegitGamer3212

kinda close. However, the Jews were rallying for a state since 1898. in 1914 Brittan supported the Balfour agreement which gave the Jews Palestine without Arab's consent.

In the early days everything was fine jews came to Palestine on a limit of 100k per year this didn't put any stress on he arab majority. They broke bread. Jews and Arabs worked together as equals especially in the Orange industry.

The Yaffa Orange was for palestinians what cotton was for Egypt. this demand grew and Palestinians shared knowledge about the plant to Jewish migrants. Jews helped out by bringing modern day equipment into the process. This peace lasted until Palestinians refused some business deals with Britian. Britian then built a port in Tel Aviv. This was the first big friction point between arabs and Jews. This put stress on the Jaffa Orange coming out of Jaffa.

The second big batch of Jews arrived with Zionisitc Ideals. They used the camera to paint Jews as the people who saved the Holy land which they made out as a barren land forgotten and just waiting for modernization.

They used the Orange industry to stapple that falicy. Every camera angle would be taken from below to paint the Jews as heros rising above thier recent disasters while every arab in the clips would be chosen and look like they were illiterate and uneducated. The films never showed any upstanding Arab plantation owners which at the time were far larger than any Jewish one, and ephamsized Jewish Orange brands.

Tension began to rise as more jews came at a faster rate than before, a result help greatly of the films, and Arabs called for jews to stop comming in fearing that the Arab majority would be lost. They rioted not for the Jews to leave in 1939 but to stop more from comming in. Many Jews interview that lived durring the riots claimed they didn't feel in danger durring the conflict cementing the fac that arabs didn't try to boot them out. Granted there were some hard headed arabs that represented a smaller minority that were intent on booting the Jews out.

in 1948 Israel was established and Palestinians refused to acknowledge the state. Regional players got involved Egypt's Muhammad saeed(?) wanted tot he jewd to be thrown out into the sea. th war happened and the Zionist terror groups depopulated 500+ villages wheras man of the wealthier famiies ran away do to financial ability to do so.

Isael was created. in 1967 conflict betwen syria and Israel led Egypt to block Israel's rout to the red sea by positioning a war vessel in international water in the staiight near eliat. Israel took this as a declaration of war. arabs lost again. 1973 yom kipur war was a war between Israel and Egypt aimed to jumpstart the peace process which Egypt then did the whole peace agreement thing. Jordan Followed suit in 1993.

Palestians in all this over the years were thrown from country to country effectively ruining everything the graced :lol: they pulled lebanon into the conflict and got massacred in 1987 by a nationalist militant group. Lebonese hate ensued

in 1971(?) militants began to build up in Jordan and actualy gained much land a and support by the pople bt lost sight of thier goal and built up positiion in the camps in Jordan. king Hussien then moved the army in and a bloody conflic arose. Jordanian hate ensued.

Palestine as a state, in 1988 the PLO dictated itself as the sole representitive of the palestinians in the conflict. They cut off king hussien who was the representative and ruler of the territories between 1948 and 1967. A palestinian state was declared on the borders of 1967. Israel began building settlements in the west bank in 1993+ after the oslo accords. The Oslo acorrds made the PLo recognized as a transitional government until 2001 when supposedly Palestine would gain independence.

Oslo accords collapsed negotiations collapsed Hamas gaind more support as Fateh became a sell out. Hamas won the 2006 elections because fateh was hated all around. Fateh lost sight of the goal which is Palsetinian rights not a state alone. Hamas did some idiotic move and shot down the Oslo accords and previos agreement between Israel and the PLO. the US and Israel tried to undermine them and gaza was cut off from the world. Fateh is the defcato party in the west bank and Hamas is the defacto party in Gaza.

Israel expaned its settlement policy and is choking of any frm of deveopment in the west bank and collectively punishing Gaza.

Now Hamas isn't an agnel quite contrary, both fateh and hamas have tons of bloo on thier hands as does Israel all three parties are road blocks to peace. the end.

#45 Posted by ShadowMoses900 (17081 posts) -

I am not a stereotype, stop calling me that. I'm just tired of people always making Israel and Jews into the bad guy, I feel bad for the people suffering in Gaza, maybe a 2 state will be the only solution and I have disagreed with some of Israel's actions in the past (like blocking aid ships) but when I come on here all I see is people bashing Israel and acting like it's the devil. And I find that offensive.

I have plenty of Muslim and Arab friends, two of whom are from eastern Palestine. Neither of us hate each other, they know Israel is not the devil like people on here think.

#46 Posted by October_Tide (5396 posts) -

In 3 seconds:

ALLAHU SNACKBAR

MOZZLETOFF

#47 Posted by Jebus213 (8913 posts) -
Why talk peace? Let them go into Gaza.
#48 Posted by GazaAli (23259 posts) -

The Jews want to live in peace and democracy, but an anti-semitic terrorist group known as Hamas does not want this so they kill Jews on sight and fire rockets at civilians.

Israel trying to protect it's self and it's people hunts Hamas down and tries to kill them, all the while trying to avoid civilian casualties as much as possible (which are caused by Hamas using civilians to hide behind). Then the anti-semites across the world try to put the blame on Israel and Zionists.

Also Hamas isn't the only threat, there are other terrorist groups such as Hezbolla that want to kill Jews as well. There are 22 Arab countries and even more Muslim countries, there is only 1 very small Jewish country. It's easy to see who is being bullied here, it's Israel.

This is truth, end of story. Make sure you are on the side of the Jews, we are the good guys and we love our supporters!

ShadowMoses900
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
#49 Posted by jrabbit99 (2835 posts) -
Israel occupies Palestinian lands and builds illegal settlements on them. When Palestinians fight to liberate their land they are called terrorists and are killed indiscriminately by Israel, who receives most of it's weaponry from the US. dangamit
I'm sorry but that's simply not true in the case of Gaza. Israel dismantled all settlements in Gaza. There is no "occupation" there. Hamas is simply committed to the destruction of Israel, as stated in their charter. While Egypt and Jordan have made peace with Israel, Hamas has continued to fire rockets at innocent Israeli children. They have fired anti tank missiles at school buses, as well as fired over 8,000 rockets at Israel since they pulled out of Gaza.
#50 Posted by jrabbit99 (2835 posts) -
Let's also get this out of the way. The term Palestinian is a term that has changed over the years. Palestine was under the British Mandate. That became Israel, so there are in fact Palestinian Jews who now live in Israel. Gaza is not Palestine. It was under control of Egypt, and Israel conquered it during wartime. They tried to give it back to Egypt, although Egypt did not want to control Gaza due to its lawlessness. So Gazans are actually Egyptians, not Palestinians. They were controlled by Egypt.