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#1 Posted by ghoklebutter (19327 posts) -

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="mingmao3046"] So he should be getting a 200,000 dollars bail, solely based on her word? mingmao3046

If he's in jail on $200,000 bail there's probably a little more to go on than just her word.

The article says nothing about that. They were dating since february

So? People are more likely to be raped by close friends, acquaintances, partners, etc. than anyone else. Pretty much every reliable study out there proves this.
#3 Posted by NEWMAHAY (3760 posts) -

-Goes back to dorm after date and has sex

-Girl cries rape

mingmao3046

You are also assuming there was zero evidence of a rape in their situation. You do not know that. You are assuming things to try to make a point.All we know is that she reported the rape the same day it allegely occured.

#4 Posted by mingmao3046 (2485 posts) -
#5 Posted by DroidPhysX (17089 posts) -
I foresee a career in defending accused rapists for OP.
#6 Posted by JML897 (33125 posts) -
for some reason feels the need to not say the "victims" namemingmao3046
...
#8 Posted by mingmao3046 (2485 posts) -
I foresee a career in defending accused rapists for OP.DroidPhysX
I wish I could but it is not worth going through law school and struggling to make it. I applaud those who stand up for men in tough times though...for example one time on the highway I saw a billboard that said "Divorce lawyer, MEN ONLY". I applaud that lawyer.
#9 Posted by Ace6301 (21389 posts) -
Maybe he did rape her, maybe he didn't. You take precautions though for things like this and if she is lying she'll be the one going to jail. Also yes it's wrong for them to put the name of the accused out there like that but that's in part the new's fault and it shouldn't be allowed.
#10 Posted by HoolaHoopMan (7766 posts) -
I foresee a career in defending accused rapists for OP.DroidPhysX
#11 Posted by mingmao3046 (2485 posts) -
Maybe he did rape her, maybe he didn't. You take precautions though for things like this and if she is lying she'll be the one going to jail. Also yes it's wrong for them to put the name of the accused out there like that but that's in part the new's fault and it shouldn't be allowed. Ace6301
So he should be getting a 200,000 dollars bail, solely based on her word?
#12 Posted by worlock77 (22547 posts) -

[QUOTE="Ace6301"]Maybe he did rape her, maybe he didn't. You take precautions though for things like this and if she is lying she'll be the one going to jail. Also yes it's wrong for them to put the name of the accused out there like that but that's in part the new's fault and it shouldn't be allowed. mingmao3046
So he should be getting a 200,000 dollars bail, solely based on her word?

If he's in jail on $200,000 bail there's probably a little more to go on than just her word.

#13 Posted by thegerg (15007 posts) -
Maybe he did rape her, maybe he didn't. You take precautions though for things like this and if she is lying she'll be the one going to jail. Also yes it's wrong for them to put the name of the accused out there like that but that's in part the new's fault and it shouldn't be allowed. Ace6301
Very rarely does one who falsely accuses another of rape go to jail.
#14 Posted by Ace6301 (21389 posts) -
[QUOTE="Ace6301"]Maybe he did rape her, maybe he didn't. You take precautions though for things like this and if she is lying she'll be the one going to jail. Also yes it's wrong for them to put the name of the accused out there like that but that's in part the new's fault and it shouldn't be allowed. mingmao3046
So he should be getting a 200,000 dollars bail, solely based on her word?

That's how this always has worked, yes. Again if she has lied she'll be punished. Usually if someone comes forward and says a crime has been committed you take that seriously.
#15 Posted by ghoklebutter (19327 posts) -
Maybe he did rape her, maybe he didn't. You take precautions though for things like this and if she is lying she'll be the one going to jail. Also yes it's wrong for them to put the name of the accused out there like that but that's in part the new's fault and it shouldn't be allowed. Ace6301
This.
#16 Posted by mingmao3046 (2485 posts) -

[QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="Ace6301"]Maybe he did rape her, maybe he didn't. You take precautions though for things like this and if she is lying she'll be the one going to jail. Also yes it's wrong for them to put the name of the accused out there like that but that's in part the new's fault and it shouldn't be allowed. worlock77

So he should be getting a 200,000 dollars bail, solely based on her word?

If he's in jail on $200,000 bail there's probably a little more to go on than just her word.

The article says nothing about that. They were dating since february
#17 Posted by Laihendi (5828 posts) -
That is absurd but it does not surprise me at all that something like this would happen in California. Places like that institutionalize anti-male sexism, anti-white racism, and various other types of discrimination against demographics deemed by the state to be "advantaged".
#18 Posted by NEWMAHAY (3760 posts) -
for some reason feels the need to not say the "victims" namemingmao3046
are you advocating that potential victims of sexual assault/abuse would have their names released to the public?
#19 Posted by worlock77 (22547 posts) -

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="mingmao3046"] So he should be getting a 200,000 dollars bail, solely based on her word? mingmao3046

If he's in jail on $200,000 bail there's probably a little more to go on than just her word.

The article says nothing about that. They were dating since february

You do realize that media is quite often not privy to all evidence police and prosecutors have, especially when the investigation is currently ongoing, right?
#20 Posted by mingmao3046 (2485 posts) -

[QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

If he's in jail on $200,000 bail there's probably a little more to go on than just her word.

ghoklebutter

The article says nothing about that. They were dating since february

So? People are more likely to be raped by close friends, acquaintances, partners, etc. than anyone else. Pretty much every reliable study out there proves this.

It just furthers the point that it was most likely consensual.....cases like this are deadly for the man because all it takes is a crying girl to convince the jury. All we have here is the girls word
#21 Posted by DroidPhysX (17089 posts) -
That is absurd but it does not surprise me at all that something like this would happen in California. Places like that institutionalize anti-male sexism, anti-white racism, and various other types of discrimination against demographics deemed by the state to be "advantaged".Laihendi
I agree. That's why we should go back to the days of the founding fathers. White males on top. Blacks picking the cotton fields.
#22 Posted by ghoklebutter (19327 posts) -
That is absurd but it does not surprise me at all that something like this would happen in California. Places like that institutionalize anti-male sexism, anti-white racism, and various other types of discrimination against demographics deemed by the state to be "advantaged".Laihendi
And this is when mingmao and lai fell in love.
#23 Posted by BuryMe (22017 posts) -

I agree to some extent. There is a huge problem with this so called "rape culture."

Women have too much power to ruin the lives of men they may them selves choose to sleep with because they can cry rape after, and people tend to automatically believe them Try it the other way around; Guy sleeps with a girl and then he cries rape in the morning. No one would take him seriously.

 

 
#24 Posted by thegerg (15007 posts) -
[QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="Ace6301"]Maybe he did rape her, maybe he didn't. You take precautions though for things like this and if she is lying she'll be the one going to jail. Also yes it's wrong for them to put the name of the accused out there like that but that's in part the new's fault and it shouldn't be allowed. Ace6301
So he should be getting a 200,000 dollars bail, solely based on her word?

That's how this always has worked, yes. Again if she has lied she'll be punished. Usually if someone comes forward and says a crime has been committed you take that seriously.

No, that's not how it's always worked. You seem to be very confused.
#25 Posted by mingmao3046 (2485 posts) -
[QUOTE="mingmao3046"]for some reason feels the need to not say the "victims" nameNEWMAHAY
are you advocating that potential victims of sexual assault/abuse would have their names released to the public?

They shouldnt be releasing the name of the accused if they arent releasing hers
#26 Posted by NEWMAHAY (3760 posts) -
That is absurd but it does not surprise me at all that something like this would happen in California. Places like that institutionalize anti-male sexism, anti-white racism, and various other types of discrimination against demographics deemed by the state to be "advantaged".Laihendi
situations where reporting a rape that leads to an arrest happens in every single state in the united states
#27 Posted by DroidPhysX (17089 posts) -
You think mingmao had a fit of rage when he heard the rapists in India were going to tried for gang rape?
#28 Posted by mingmao3046 (2485 posts) -
[QUOTE="Laihendi"]That is absurd but it does not surprise me at all that something like this would happen in California. Places like that institutionalize anti-male sexism, anti-white racism, and various other types of discrimination against demographics deemed by the state to be "advantaged".DroidPhysX
I agree. That's why we should go back to the days of the founding fathers. White males on top. Blacks picking the cotton fields.

strawman.
#29 Posted by MakeMeaSammitch (3815 posts) -

stupid question; how do you prove rape? The only way I can see it really being proven is if there's semen in or on her body. Physical injuries seem suspect as they could do it to themselves.
#30 Posted by mingmao3046 (2485 posts) -
[QUOTE="Laihendi"]That is absurd but it does not surprise me at all that something like this would happen in California. Places like that institutionalize anti-male sexism, anti-white racism, and various other types of discrimination against demographics deemed by the state to be "advantaged".NEWMAHAY
situations where reporting a rape that leads to an arrest happens in every single state in the united states

I believe he is referring to the accused being put on 200,000 bail when all they have is the girls word
#31 Posted by DroidPhysX (17089 posts) -
[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="Laihendi"]That is absurd but it does not surprise me at all that something like this would happen in California. Places like that institutionalize anti-male sexism, anti-white racism, and various other types of discrimination against demographics deemed by the state to be "advantaged".mingmao3046
I agree. That's why we should go back to the days of the founding fathers. White males on top. Blacks picking the cotton fields.

strawman.

I am articulating my own personal opinion about the days of the founding fathers and how white males reined supreme.
#32 Posted by mingmao3046 (2485 posts) -

stupid question; how do you prove rape? The only way I can see it really being proven is if there's semen in or on her body. Physical injuries seem suspect as they could do it to themselves.

MakeMeaSammitch
Semen inside her wouldnt prove anything....that could mean it was consensual
#33 Posted by mingmao3046 (2485 posts) -
[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] I agree. That's why we should go back to the days of the founding fathers. White males on top. Blacks picking the cotton fields.

strawman.

I am articulating my own personal opinion about the days of the founding fathers and how white males reined supreme.

lol
#34 Posted by ghoklebutter (19327 posts) -
[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

[QUOTE="mingmao3046"] The article says nothing about that. They were dating since februarymingmao3046

So? People are more likely to be raped by close friends, acquaintances, partners, etc. than anyone else. Pretty much every reliable study out there proves this.

It just furthers the point that it was most likely consensual.....cases like this are deadly for the man because all it takes is a crying girl to convince the jury. All we have here is the girls word

Did you read what I said? The fact that it was her boyfriend rather than a stranger is evidence in her favor (even if she's lying). Go look up studies on sexual victimization and you will see that the majority of victims (female AND male) are raped by people they know, not strangers. If you don't want to be called a misogynist, it will be helpful if you stop believing in pernicious rape myths like this one. Also, neither you nor I know if the only evidence available is the girl's word. The article wasn't very detailed at all.
#35 Posted by MakeMeaSammitch (3815 posts) -

[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]

stupid question; how do you prove rape? The only way I can see it really being proven is if there's semen in or on her body. Physical injuries seem suspect as they could do it to themselves.

mingmao3046

Semen inside her wouldnt prove anything....that could mean it was consensual

how is it proven then?

Is it just assumption based on testimony?
#36 Posted by Aljosa23 (24838 posts) -
#37 Posted by DroidPhysX (17089 posts) -
[QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="mingmao3046"] strawman.

I am articulating my own personal opinion about the days of the founding fathers and how white males reined supreme.

lol

Things you say when you see news stories about rape?
#38 Posted by HoolaHoopMan (7766 posts) -
[QUOTE="Laihendi"]That is absurd but it does not surprise me at all that something like this would happen in California. Places like that institutionalize anti-male sexism, anti-white racism, and various other types of discrimination against demographics deemed by the state to be "advantaged".ghoklebutter
And this is when mingmao and lai fell in love.

Romcom of the century.
#39 Posted by NEWMAHAY (3760 posts) -
How else do you want rape charges to be filed? I am very curious. "All they have is the girls word". Do you expect the girl to have a video of a rape? If someone robbed my house and I saw who it was and reported it to the police, that man would be arrested. Its like that for a lot of things....
#40 Posted by mingmao3046 (2485 posts) -
[QUOTE="NEWMAHAY"]How else do you want rape charges to be filed? I am very curious. "All they have is the girls word". Do you expect the girl to have a video of a rape? If someone robbed my house and I saw who it was and reported it to the police, that man would be arrested. Its like that for a lot of things....

The thing is you can't just say "x person robbed my house" and the police will detain him. Unfortunately that is the case with rape. With robbery you would need evidence...(ie the accused burglar in possesion of exact items you reported missing). Women are at an extreme advantage of the courts
#41 Posted by thegerg (15007 posts) -
[QUOTE="NEWMAHAY"]How else do you want rape charges to be filed? I am very curious. "All they have is the girls word". Do you expect the girl to have a video of a rape? If someone robbed my house and I saw who it was and reported it to the police, that man would be arrested. Its like that for a lot of things....

He wouldn't be arrested simply because you said he robbed you. There first needs to be evidence that a robbery took place.
#42 Posted by mingmao3046 (2485 posts) -
[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

[QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]

stupid question; how do you prove rape? The only way I can see it really being proven is if there's semen in or on her body. Physical injuries seem suspect as they could do it to themselves.

MakeMeaSammitch

Semen inside her wouldnt prove anything....that could mean it was consensual

how is it proven then?

Is it just assumption based on testimony?

Im trying to say that just because there is semen inside her does not mean it was rape, it could have been consensual
#43 Posted by Laihendi (5828 posts) -
[QUOTE="Laihendi"]That is absurd but it does not surprise me at all that something like this would happen in California. Places like that institutionalize anti-male sexism, anti-white racism, and various other types of discrimination against demographics deemed by the state to be "advantaged".DroidPhysX
I agree. That's why we should go back to the days of the founding fathers. White males on top. Blacks picking the cotton fields.

You are implying that one group or the other must have laws in place to favour it at the expense of the other, which is not true. What is needed is a set of laws that does not favour one race over another, or one gender over the other. A law resulting in the accused being jailed on nothing more than the word of the accuser clearly favours women at the expense of men.
#44 Posted by MakeMeaSammitch (3815 posts) -

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="mingmao3046"] Semen inside her wouldnt prove anything....that could mean it was consensualmingmao3046
how is it proven then?

Is it just assumption based on testimony?

Im trying to say that just because there is semen inside her does not mean it was rape, it could have been consensual

seems like there's no real way to prove it then.
#45 Posted by DroidPhysX (17089 posts) -
[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="Laihendi"]That is absurd but it does not surprise me at all that something like this would happen in California. Places like that institutionalize anti-male sexism, anti-white racism, and various other types of discrimination against demographics deemed by the state to be "advantaged".Laihendi
I agree. That's why we should go back to the days of the founding fathers. White males on top. Blacks picking the cotton fields.

You are implying that one group or the other must have laws in place to favour it at the expense of the other, which is not true. What is needed is a set of laws that does not favour one race over another, or one gender over the other. A law resulting in the accused being jailed on nothing more than the word of the accuser clearly favours women at the expense of men.

I'm actually not implying anything.
#46 Posted by NEWMAHAY (3760 posts) -
[QUOTE="mingmao3046"][ Im trying to say that just because there is semen inside her does not mean it was rape, it could have been consensual

Clearly, but he hasn't been found guilty yet....
#47 Posted by mrbojangles25 (31994 posts) -

yep, I like the US legal system on paper, and often in practice, but there are some times when it just fails (rape, and celebrity trials).

50 years ago it was blame the victim, which is tragic, but the modern alternative of blaming the alleged rapist is just as bad.  This kneejerk reaction we have to blame the defendent and, as TC said, assume his guilt is wrong.

This is why I sometimes hate the idea that we are judged by our peers, we can't be objective in many situations.  This young mans life is ruined before his possible guilt has been proven.

What's worse in society is that places of works, schools, and other institutions will often react harshly before the guy is even proven guilty.  If you want to suspend him from work (with pay) for a time, I understand that, but firing someone, expelling them from school, or publicly harassing him via social media is wrong.
#48 Posted by k2theswiss (16599 posts) -

Maybe one day we be able tap into the brain waves and extract the truth from people.

This also brings me to I wish we could be a super smart computer one day to take over or become a second judge to avoid any bias  
#49 Posted by evildead6789 (7633 posts) -

I agree to some extent. There is a huge problem with this so called "rape culture."

Women have too much power to ruin the lives of men they may them selves choose to sleep with because they can cry rape after, and people tend to automatically believe them Try it the other way around; Guy sleeps with a girl and then he cries rape in the morning. No one would take him seriously.

 

 

BuryMe
the thing is slander is a bad thing and should be punished more severely. Even when you're spoken free, a lot of people will still say, oh he had a good lawyer or he did it anyway. Rape is a very serious crime, but if a women has the choice to leave there can't be any rape. You can talk here into it but that's not rape. Even woman should have a penalty of 5 years in jail when they falsely accuse some one, they would think twice of slandering someone Like that dude dsk, he had a great career , could even be president of france, but he had sex with a cleaning lady, and she accused him of rape for the money off course. He was spoken free, but bye bye career. Women's rights are important but this is going to far, men are become slaves.
#50 Posted by lostrib (35619 posts) -

His quote is really all that needs to be said, I would just like to mention that I understand the charges that Im accused of. Id like to mention that Im innocent, and I hope everybody in the community has an open mind about everything. I hope they keep an open mind until this investigation is over,

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