First Gay NFL player drafted by the Rams

#1 Edited by Ariabed (1198 posts) -

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/10/rams-draft-michael-sam/

A positive step for gay people, let's hope it's not made a big deal of and just let him get on with it. I wonder how apposing players will feel about having a gay man tackle them to the ground? Just saying

Do you think gay men/women in sports, should announce their sexuality making it a big deal or keep their private lives private?

#2 Posted by ferrari2001 (17083 posts) -

The media needs to shut the hell up. He's a football player. Being gay has nothing to do with football or being a football player. Who's care if a player is gay, straight, or has sex with animals? It shouldn't change the fact that he is a fairly decent football player.

#3 Edited by Ariabed (1198 posts) -

@ferrari2001: I often ask myself why do these people have to make it such a big deal by "coming out" it's their own private business what they get up to in their personal lives, they make it a big deal by publicly announcing it. Hopefully it works out for this guy but it could easily backfire and ruin him.

#4 Posted by deeliman (2525 posts) -

Just him coming out isn't him "making a big deal about it". Why shouldn't he be open about it?

#5 Edited by foxhound_fox (89457 posts) -

And I bet there are tens or hundreds more out there that don't care to make their sexuality public.

#6 Edited by Ariabed (1198 posts) -

@deeliman: it kinda is a big deal when your in the public eye like that. He should be able to be open about it, but it could have a negative effect, but I hope not.

#7 Posted by mattykovax (22693 posts) -

It matters to the degree he has set a precedent in an age where gay people are more likely to be open and out or what not. As for why publicy is because he as a pro player is now a somewhat public figure. Imagine being in a pro sport and feeling you have to hide that aspect even though you have accepted it. than imagine you have a fifteen year career and you feel you have to hide who you are. that's why this is important, not because ooh gay player but because if sam is good and becomes a fan favorite he can go to a dinner after a game, or an event or anywhere really with his boyfriend and not a beard.

Beyond that aspect I could care less. can he play? I know he was pretty good in college but this is the NFL. I think he gave himself pressure. If he washes out hell take some heat and maybe set the cause he cared about back a little, at least perception wise.

So, can he play?

#8 Edited by LittleMac19 (1638 posts) -

ESPN had that story on stand by the entire draft lol

#9 Edited by fgjnfgh (2630 posts) -

the media, him, or any other gay dude know that what they're doing is wrong. Then why the hell do they have to "come out and admit it" It's as if they did something wrong and they have to come forward

#10 Edited by Aljosa23 (25519 posts) -

He's going to get cut. The Rams' defensive line is pretty fucking stacked and because this dude is hella undersized, he'll have to be converted into a linebacker to even stand a chance. Should have went undrafted so he could sign on a team he wants.

As for him being gay, it's all uphill from here. Hard to know if his draft stock would have been higher if he didn't come out (he had a shit showing at the combine) so there's no way to know if it affected his placement.

#11 Edited by Korvus (4774 posts) -

Every time I play sports and I see a man about to make physical contact with me I demand very loudly for him to state his sexual identity and then decide whether I ask the referee to expel him in the grounds of me not wanting to catch gay. True story.

#12 Posted by GazaAli (23297 posts) -

@Aljosa23 said:

He's going to get cut. The Rams' defensive line is pretty fucking stacked and because this dude is hella undersized, he'll have to be converted into a linebacker to even stand a chance. Should have went undrafted so he could sign on a team he wants.

As for him being gay, it's all uphill from here. Hard to know if his draft stock would have been higher if he didn't come out (he had a shit showing at the combine) so there's no way to know if it affected his placement.

Could it be a popularity stunt of some sort? If his chances of being drafted or recruited (don't know the right term) are that bad may be he decided to give himself some popularity or even to politicize himself. Its only a speculation, I don't know much about American handegg.

#13 Edited by MakeMeaSammitch (4058 posts) -

So did this guy have really good stats in college?

#14 Edited by toast_burner (22047 posts) -

The media is constantly reporting on who celebrities date or sleep with. Yet when it reports on someone coming out, people always complain that it doesn't belong in the media.

#15 Edited by sonicare (53538 posts) -

Good for him. Seems like a nice dude.

#16 Edited by Aljosa23 (25519 posts) -

@GazaAli said:

@Aljosa23 said:

He's going to get cut. The Rams' defensive line is pretty fucking stacked and because this dude is hella undersized, he'll have to be converted into a linebacker to even stand a chance. Should have went undrafted so he could sign on a team he wants.

As for him being gay, it's all uphill from here. Hard to know if his draft stock would have been higher if he didn't come out (he had a shit showing at the combine) so there's no way to know if it affected his placement.

Could it be a popularity stunt of some sort? If his chances of being drafted or recruited (don't know the right term) are that bad may be he decided to give himself some popularity or even to politicize himself. Its only a speculation, I don't know much about American handegg.

He came out before his draft stock dropped so I doubt it. It doesn't matter anyway.

#17 Posted by GamingGod999 (3006 posts) -

Hehe, 'the Rams'.

#18 Edited by SaintLeonidas (26476 posts) -

@ferrari2001 said:

The media needs to shut the hell up. He's a football player. Being gay has nothing to do with football or being a football player. Who's care if a player is gay, straight, or has sex with animals? It shouldn't change the fact that he is a fairly decent football player.

Yeah, him being the first openly gay football player not only drafted, but possibly to play, means nothing...Baffles me that people still don't realize that the push against gays is still prevalent (states still trying to ban gay marriages, kids still bullied, etc.) and that it is important for stories like this to get attention as examples of the sort of acceptance that should exists. I mean, I guess when Jackie Robinson played baseball it shouldn't have received any attention? I mean he was JUST a baseball player. It didn't hold any more significance to ANYONE beyond that.

#19 Posted by LJS9502_basic (151709 posts) -

Oh for fucks sake.....people should be drafted by talent and nothing about their sex life is important to that.

#20 Edited by mattykovax (22693 posts) -

@LJS9502_basic:

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#21 Edited by LJS9502_basic (151709 posts) -

@mattykovax said:

@LJS9502_basic:

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#22 Posted by SaintLeonidas (26476 posts) -

@LJS9502_basic said:

Oh for fucks sake.....people should be drafted by talent and nothing about their sex life is important to that.

He was...his draft stock dropped during the combine, but he was SEC Defensive Player of the Year & and voted unanimously to the All-American College Team in 2013. People are acting like he was drafted first overall so they must have only done it for the PR...he was selected 249/256. For his size this makes sense but in regards to his skill and work ethic he could have gone higher.

#23 Edited by mattykovax (22693 posts) -

@LJS9502_basic:

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#24 Edited by Korvus (4774 posts) -

@mattykovax: Welcome back =)

#25 Edited by mattykovax (22693 posts) -

@korvus:

Thanks. this time it should be a little more permanent. My life got really hectic for awhile.

#26 Posted by lostrib (39233 posts) -

Didn't he kind of suck?

#27 Edited by konvikt_17 (22282 posts) -

@lostrib said:

Didn't he kind of suck?

Yes

#28 Edited by Master_Live (15119 posts) -

Yay!

#29 Edited by limpbizkit818 (15044 posts) -

@toast_burner said:

The media is constantly reporting on who celebrities date or sleep with. Yet when it reports on someone coming out, people always complain that it doesn't belong in the media.

This is true. The entire industry that has been built up around famous people in America is bizarre. Dam you TMZ

#30 Edited by PannicAtack (21040 posts) -

@GamingGod999: I thought that was funny, too, given that something like, what, ten percent of male sheep are gay?

#31 Posted by Jacanuk (5043 posts) -

@ariabed said:

@ferrari2001: I often ask myself why do these people have to make it such a big deal by "coming out" it's their own private business what they get up to in their personal lives, they make it a big deal by publicly announcing it. Hopefully it works out for this guy but it could easily backfire and ruin him.

Spot on, the funny thing is they spam everyone with "oh we are normal" but clearly they feel that their sexual orientation makes them something else.

But i must admit im glad he is not on my team, anyone who feels their sexual life is something they need to bring to the public is not a person i want on my team.

#32 Posted by the_bi99man (11054 posts) -

So, nobody's going to make a joke about opposing teams getting "Rammed"? Okay then. This place apparently has at least a little bit of class.

#33 Edited by TruthTellers (3397 posts) -

This works for him coming out because when he gets cut for whatever reason, he can scream the homophobic card and Jesse Jackson can show up with the rental mobs and protest every Rams game for them being an anti-gay organization.

#34 Edited by the_bi99man (11054 posts) -

@TruthTellers said:

This works for him coming out because when he gets cut for whatever reason, he can scream the homophobic card and Jesse Jackson can show up with the rental mobs and protest every Rams game for them being an anti-gay organization.

I approve of your cynicism. Let's hope that doesn't happen, but I, for one, won't be incredibly surprised if it does.

#35 Edited by TruthTellers (3397 posts) -
@the_bi99man said:

@TruthTellers said:

This works for him coming out because when he gets cut for whatever reason, he can scream the homophobic card and Jesse Jackson can show up with the rental mobs and protest every Rams game for them being an anti-gay organization.

I approve of your cynicism. Let's hope that doesn't happen, but I, for one, won't be incredibly surprised if it does.

You say this because you have a mind and can THINK! Hopefully, he will exceed expectations in camp and the Rams sign him full time.

#36 Edited by lamprey263 (24477 posts) -

He's the first OPENLY gay football player in professional football, lets make that clear, there have been gay players in the past who came out after their careers were over.

#37 Posted by Gaming-Planet (14030 posts) -

And one day everyone on that team will wear his jersey.

#38 Posted by IMAHAPYHIPPO (2674 posts) -

@ariabed said:

@ferrari2001: I often ask myself why do these people have to make it such a big deal by "coming out" it's their own private business what they get up to in their personal lives, they make it a big deal by publicly announcing it. Hopefully it works out for this guy but it could easily backfire and ruin him.

Because people don't generally face immense hatred for being heterosexual. You didn't see other draft picks receiving hateful Twitter messages from NFL players because they bone women.

I agree that it shouldn't be a big deal, but it is to some people. Jackie Robinson was the talk of the town when he signed with the Dodgers. Now, nobody gives a crap that Blacks play baseball. This is a step toward making that the reality for another oppressed group.

#39 Posted by LoG-Sacrament (20397 posts) -

the story itself is nice and all, but having a select few people in a franchise choose a player that happens to be openly gay doesn't seem like the biggest part of it. i think the more important thing will be when there's an openly gay player who is part of a locker room for an extended period of time and people can see that his sexuality wasn't a factor in team chemistry or anything like that. there's just no ceremony for that like the NFL draft.

#40 Edited by vfibsux (4212 posts) -

@ariabed said:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/10/rams-draft-michael-sam/

A positive step for gay people, let's hope it's not made a big deal of and just let him get on with it. I wonder how apposing players will feel about having a gay man tackle them to the ground? Just saying

Do you think gay men/women in sports, should announce their sexuality making it a big deal or keep their private lives private?

I think they should all stfu personally. Who gives a shit. Either you want to be treated like everyone else or you want to make your sexuality who you are rather than who you screw. Too many of them wear it like a badge, that is their problem.

#41 Posted by Ariabed (1198 posts) -

@IMAHAPYHIPPO: he obviously loves playing football, but to put himself out there like that is risky, and seems like he's being protected because he is gay.

"The Rams made history by welcoming the first openly gay player to the NFL, and by keeping Sam in Missouri, they ensured that he’ll be in front of a supportive fan base"

So what would happen if he went somewhere without a supportive fan base?

#42 Posted by Ariabed (1198 posts) -

@LoG-Sacrament: I hear what your saying and that's a good point, if they can all get along in the locker room without feeling awkward that would speak volumes.

Me personally I would prob be looking to see who he is eyeing up in the showers. Just saying

#43 Edited by Korvus (4774 posts) -

@ariabed said:

Me personally I would prob be looking to see who he is eyeing up in the showers. Just saying

Why? Would you feel like you'd be in danger of getting raped if a gay man found your body attractive? Chances are, he doesn't give a crap; he is gay, you have a penis (I assume), so what? I'm sure he's seen other men naked (and has for years before he came out as gay...) if he's to feel any attraction towards you I'm almost sure it won't be because he's seen your dangling bits.

#44 Posted by BattleSpectre (6410 posts) -

Let's hope he doesn't "take one" for the team eh.

#45 Edited by chaoscougar1 (36849 posts) -

The locker room will be interesting as fvck
Lets see how the Rams and Mr Sam handle it

#46 Edited by Ariabed (1198 posts) -

@korvus: just saying it would be good to be a fly on the wall in that locker room, to see how he acts and how others act towards him.

#47 Posted by toast_burner (22047 posts) -

@ariabed said:

@korvus: I would just be curious to see how he acts that's all, I know how I would be in a locker room full of girls, so it's gotta be kinda the same for him. I think he would have to be very careful where he is looking.

Not all gays are uncontrollable sex maniacs. Just because you can't control yourself around girls doesn't mean everyone is like that.

#48 Posted by Korvus (4774 posts) -

@ariabed: I'm sure it'll make some people uncomfortable for a while, then it just becomes natural, like everything else =)

#49 Edited by Ariabed (1198 posts) -

@toast_burner: who said I wouldn't be able to control myself? If I was in a locker room full of girls I would be having sly little looks at the ladies that all. And if any of them were interested in extra activities then I would ablige.

#50 Edited by toast_burner (22047 posts) -

@ariabed said:

@toast_burner: who said I wouldn't be able to control myself? If I was in a locker room full of girls I would be having sly little looks at the ladies that all. And if any of them were interested in extra activities then I would ablige.

Exactly my point. You can't control yourself.