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#1 FireEmblem_Man
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Why I'm voting for Bernie Sanders!

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#2 Sandulf29
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Grandpa why are your eyes so big?

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I'm feeling it. I'm feeling the bern!

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not going to check my messages now ^^ maybe better delete this account

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Hillary wins New York.....once she wins Pennsylvania in a couple weeks, "the Bern" will be over. Just keeping it real.

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#6 Gaming-Planet
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@AFBrat77 said:

Hillary wins New York.....once she wins Pennsylvania in a couple weeks, "the Bern" will be over. Just keeping it real.

Will vote Trump then. Build a coffin for Washington.

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@AFBrat77 said:

Hillary wins New York.....once she wins Pennsylvania in a couple weeks, "the Bern" will be over. Just keeping it real.

At least they are assigning a proportional amount of delegates now.

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@Gaming-Planet said:
@AFBrat77 said:

Hillary wins New York.....once she wins Pennsylvania in a couple weeks, "the Bern" will be over. Just keeping it real.

Will vote Trump then. Build a coffin for Washington.

Build a coffin for a large proportion of the world's humans. Dude wants to pit the west against all Islam, is not at all reticent to using nuclear weapons on foreign countries.

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You should take some antibiotics for that bern. >=P

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#10 Sandulf29
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@hillelslovak said:
@Gaming-Planet said:
@AFBrat77 said:

Hillary wins New York.....once she wins Pennsylvania in a couple weeks, "the Bern" will be over. Just keeping it real.

Will vote Trump then. Build a coffin for Washington.

Build a coffin for a large proportion of the world's humans. Dude wants to pit the west against all Islam, is not at all reticent to using nuclear weapons on foreign countries.

You meant nukes metaphorically but Trump is pro-nuke. He thinks everyone should have nukes including North Korea so they can each 'defend' themselves and US doesn't have to go to 'aid'

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#11 FireEmblem_Man
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@zeroyaoi said:

You should take some antibiotics for that bern. >=P

How about a kiss from you instead? :3 That will heal the burn

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#12  Edited By deactivated-5cf0a2e13dbde
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@Sandulf29 said:
@hillelslovak said:
@Gaming-Planet said:
@AFBrat77 said:

Hillary wins New York.....once she wins Pennsylvania in a couple weeks, "the Bern" will be over. Just keeping it real.

Will vote Trump then. Build a coffin for Washington.

Build a coffin for a large proportion of the world's humans. Dude wants to pit the west against all Islam, is not at all reticent to using nuclear weapons on foreign countries.

You meant nukes metaphorically but Trump is pro-nuke. He thinks everyone should have nukes including North Korea so they can each 'defend' themselves and US doesn't have to go to 'aid'

He refused to rule out dropping a nuclear weapon on Europe. That's an insane person. I would not put it past a psychotic dipshit like him to carpet bomb a base in Chechnya, or bomb Pakistan. I do not expect him to know that the struggle between India and Pakistan is probably the greatest risk of thermonuclear war currently, and that he would start world war 3..

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Sadly, voter suppression really hurt Bernie tonight, not saying he would have won for sure, but it would have been much tighter. Really hate this corrupt country we live in.

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@FireEmblem_Man said:
@zeroyaoi said:

You should take some antibiotics for that bern. >=P

How about a kiss from you instead? :3 That will heal the burn

Get out. You two.

YOU CANT DEFEAT DAT FLOW!

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That was so bad that it was good.

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Never been a time in history when socialism has gone particularly well for very long. Plenty of examples of it going spectacularly badly ... like hundreds of thousands of people murdered kind of badly. Yet every so often a populace will go fruit loops for it, especially young people. Yep, screw history and feel the bern!

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#17 mattbbpl
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@Wickerman777: Then it's a good thing none of the candidates are proposing socialism.

Unless you mean the mixed model which is neither pure socialism nor pure capitalism, but that can't be right because that's the model of every 1st world country on the planet in which case there are plenty of examples of it working.

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@AlexKidd5000 said:

Sadly, voter suppression really hurt Bernie tonight, not saying he would have won for sure, but it would have been much tighter. Really hate this corrupt country we live in.

I'd be interested in hearing more about this suppression if you will.

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@Wickerman777 said:

Never been a time in history when socialism has gone particularly well for very long. Plenty of examples of it going spectacularly badly ... like hundreds of thousands of people murdered kind of badly. Yet every so often a populace will go fruit loops for it, especially young people. Yep, screw history and feel the bern!

Holy shit I wish people would realize that Bernie Sander's platform in no way compares to Communist Russia.. I wish people would get that through their thick skulls, how many times does it have to be repeated that he supports a free market? Or are people just this stupid? Not saying you have to support or like the candidate, but at least try to form a opinion that is better informed than a high school drop out. To even make such a comparison really shows that as a person they have failed in understanding basic economic and political policy both recent and historical.

The fact that this is one of the top critcisms I hear all over the place really illustrates how uninformed and uneducated people are in the United States.. Then again who am I kidding, we have asshats also labeling Trump as Adolf Hitler, another cringe worthy comparison showing more about the person's intelligence than Trump him self..

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@zeroyaoi said:

You should take some antibiotics for that, bern.

uh really, didnt looked so bad from here.

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@sSubZerOo said:
@Wickerman777 said:

Never been a time in history when socialism has gone particularly well for very long. Plenty of examples of it going spectacularly badly ... like hundreds of thousands of people murdered kind of badly. Yet every so often a populace will go fruit loops for it, especially young people. Yep, screw history and feel the bern!

Holy shit I wish people would realize that Bernie Sander's platform in no way compares to Communist Russia.. I wish people would get that through their thick skulls, how many times does it have to be repeated that he supports a free market? Or are people just this stupid? Not saying you have to support or like the candidate, but at least try to form a opinion that is better informed than a high school drop out. To even make such a comparison really shows that as a person they have failed in understanding basic economic and political policy both recent and historical.

The fact that this is one of the top critcisms I hear all over the place really illustrates how uninformed and uneducated people are in the United States.. Then again who am I kidding, we have asshats also labeling Trump as Adolf Hitler, another cringe worthy comparison showing more about the person saying it's intelligence than Trump him self..

Oh come on! You got to admit that Trump's plans against Muslims sound pretty close to how Hitler treated Jews.

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@nintendoboy16 said:
@sSubZerOo said:
@Wickerman777 said:

Never been a time in history when socialism has gone particularly well for very long. Plenty of examples of it going spectacularly badly ... like hundreds of thousands of people murdered kind of badly. Yet every so often a populace will go fruit loops for it, especially young people. Yep, screw history and feel the bern!

Holy shit I wish people would realize that Bernie Sander's platform in no way compares to Communist Russia.. I wish people would get that through their thick skulls, how many times does it have to be repeated that he supports a free market? Or are people just this stupid? Not saying you have to support or like the candidate, but at least try to form a opinion that is better informed than a high school drop out. To even make such a comparison really shows that as a person they have failed in understanding basic economic and political policy both recent and historical.

The fact that this is one of the top critcisms I hear all over the place really illustrates how uninformed and uneducated people are in the United States.. Then again who am I kidding, we have asshats also labeling Trump as Adolf Hitler, another cringe worthy comparison showing more about the person saying it's intelligence than Trump him self..

Oh come on! You got to admit that Trump's plans against Muslims sound pretty close to how Hitler treated Jews.

... I am sorry but I have seen far prejudice shit come from movements like BLM in their rhetoric than ANYTHING coming close to what Trump has said.. Where we had higher up BLM movement members tweeting about killing white people.. Donald Trump maybe a jackass, but he isn't the first leader in history who has said such inflammatory thing about a certain group of people.. I don't see it, how do you go from what Trump is going to the Holocaust? That is quite a leap in logic to automatically plaster a person as Hitler, it also falls under Godwin's fallacy.

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@hillelslovak said:
@Gaming-Planet said:
@AFBrat77 said:

Hillary wins New York.....once she wins Pennsylvania in a couple weeks, "the Bern" will be over. Just keeping it real.

Will vote Trump then. Build a coffin for Washington.

Build a coffin for a large proportion of the world's humans. Dude wants to pit the west against all Islam, is not at all reticent to using nuclear weapons on foreign countries.

Any Bernie supporter that votes for Trump is an idiot with no hope for recovery and possibly lacks morals. There's no nice way to put it.

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@Solaryellow said:
@AlexKidd5000 said:

Sadly, voter suppression really hurt Bernie tonight, not saying he would have won for sure, but it would have been much tighter. Really hate this corrupt country we live in.

I'd be interested in hearing more about this suppression if you will.

The other day, when AlexKidd said that Hillary is only winning because she's a "cheating b!tch," i asked for proof that she's cheating and he wasn't able to provide any. One of the moron's arguments was "Hillary probably hacked into Bernie's voter rolls."

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@AlexKidd5000 said:

Sadly, voter suppression really hurt Bernie tonight, not saying he would have won for sure, but it would have been much tighter. Really hate this corrupt country we live in.

Are you referring to the fact that NY primary was only open to registered Democrats? I don't see how that constitute as "voter suppression" or "corruption". It's a Democrat primary. That's like bitching about not being able to order pizza in a burgerking. If sandy wants independent support then he should run as independent. Sometimes you can't have your cake and eat it too.

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@AlexKidd5000 said:

Sadly, voter suppression really hurt Bernie tonight, not saying he would have won for sure, but it would have been much tighter. Really hate this corrupt country we live in.

I know it's a lot to ask for evidence from a you but......

evidence?

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@GreySeal9 said:
@hillelslovak said:
@Gaming-Planet said:
@AFBrat77 said:

Hillary wins New York.....once she wins Pennsylvania in a couple weeks, "the Bern" will be over. Just keeping it real.

Will vote Trump then. Build a coffin for Washington.

Build a coffin for a large proportion of the world's humans. Dude wants to pit the west against all Islam, is not at all reticent to using nuclear weapons on foreign countries.

Any Bernie supporter that votes for Trump is an idiot with no hope for recovery and possibly lacks morals. There's no nice way to put it.

They should be taking the Russell Brand route if Bernie gets knocked out of the race.

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@sSubZerOo said:

... I am sorry but I have seen far prejudice shit come from movements like BLM in their rhetoric than ANYTHING coming close to what Trump has said.. Where we had higher up BLM movement members tweeting about killing white people.. Donald Trump maybe a jackass, but he isn't the first leader in history who has said such inflammatory thing about a certain group of people.. I don't see it, how do you go from what Trump is going to the Holocaust? That is quite a leap in logic to automatically plaster a person as Hitler, it also falls under Godwin's fallacy.

Perhaps it's mostly a reflection of my reading habits, but I haven't seen any reputable sources imply that Trump would follow Hitler's history into a Holocaust event. The Hitler comparisons I've seen largely deal with their methods of acquiring and retaining support - and that comparison has been really interesting.

I agree that to imply a similar historical trajectory is nonsense, but I also dislike the dismissal of Hitler/Nazi comparisons out of hand. It strikes me as turning a blind eye to one of the most unique and potentially teachable eras of modern history.

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#30  Edited By AlexKidd5000
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@still_vicious said:
@AlexKidd5000 said:

Sadly, voter suppression really hurt Bernie tonight, not saying he would have won for sure, but it would have been much tighter. Really hate this corrupt country we live in.

I know it's a lot to ask for evidence from a you but......

evidence?

Polling places not opening in certain cities until noon, and they just happen to be places that contain mostly bernie supporters.

Hundereds of thousands of people who were purged off the voting roll, or party affiliation changed without there knowledge, and even fake signatures that weren't written by the person.

Making the deadline to register back in october without making that well known...makes NO sense.

Not hard to look this shit up. It's idiotic to believe that everyone who is on hillary's side would even consider having a fair and clean election when they can rig the election so easily, with so much on the line for them (rich people, the establishment).

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@AlexKidd5000: Given that Sanders, even prior to the NY election, has little path to the nomination it makes no sense for Clinton/The Democratic party to rig the voting process in order to gain a higher margin of victory in a state she would have won anyway. The risk is too high for essentially no reward.

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#33  Edited By AlexKidd5000
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@mattbbpl said:

@AlexKidd5000: Given that Sanders, even prior to the NY election, has little path to the nomination it makes no sense for Clinton/The Democratic party to rig the voting process in order to gain a higher margin of victory in a state she would have won anyway. The risk is too high for essentially no reward.

Sanders very much has a path to the nomination, being down less than 200 delegates is not bad at all, yeah now he is down around 230, still not bad. There has been funny business going on behind the scenes, weather hillary has anything to do with it or not, there are A LOT of people with immense power and money who have a lot to lose if bernie wins who can rig the election, or set rules that are biased against bernie.

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@AlexKidd5000: You need to look at the polls in the remaining states. He has to win every contest by an average of greater than +7 points in order to reach that target. And that's not taking into account super delegates which will tend to sway Clinton's way for various reasons (not the least of which being that these are comprised of Democratic party leaders, and Clinton has done a lot of work for the party while Sanders has done nearly none). The states in which Sanders is polling strong are mostly low delegate count states while those in which Clinton is polling strong are largely high delegate count states.

Barring a miracle, Sanders is toast.

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@mattbbpl said:

@AlexKidd5000: You need to look at the polls in the remaining states. He has to win every contest by an average of greater than +7 points in order to reach that target. And that's not taking into account super delegates which will tend to sway Clinton's way for various reasons (not the least of which being that these are comprised of Democratic party leaders, and Clinton has done a lot of work for the party while Sanders has done nearly none). The states in which Sanders is polling strong are mostly low delegate count states while those in which Clinton is polling strong are largely high delegate count states.

Barring a miracle, Sanders is toast.

Looking at the recent polls, you're right. Bernie may not win, and if he loses, I won't be voting in the general. But we need to fight as hard we we can anyway. it's going to suck having to deal with 4 more years with a shitty corrupt sellout like hillary in the white house. And the people who vote for her, are either ignorant, or they are blind sheep.

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@GreySeal9 said:
@hillelslovak said:
@Gaming-Planet said:
@AFBrat77 said:

Hillary wins New York.....once she wins Pennsylvania in a couple weeks, "the Bern" will be over. Just keeping it real.

Will vote Trump then. Build a coffin for Washington.

Build a coffin for a large proportion of the world's humans. Dude wants to pit the west against all Islam, is not at all reticent to using nuclear weapons on foreign countries.

Any Bernie supporter that votes for Trump is an idiot with no hope for recovery and possibly lacks morals. There's no nice way to put it.

That's the sort of Devil's Gamble Americans are going to have to deal with. Hilary is a straight demon, with no moral compass, and she treats others like objects, clearly. She is STILL better than Donald Trump. I cannot abide in a man who mocks those in lesser situations than him, who has no respect for anyone, and who is tragically inept to the point of being dangerous.

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Sanders or anarchy! Give me Bernie, or give me burning ruins.

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@AlexKidd5000 said:

But we need to fight as hard we we can anyway.

If you're a Sanders supporter, that's pretty much the attitude you need to have if you want to enact any significant change - not just during the election but afterwards as well.

Frankly, not voting in the election should he lose the nomination would be the first step towards stopping any change you wanted from Sanders.

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#39  Edited By AFBrat77
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@AlexKidd5000:

No, the people who vote for her are realists. It's neat that Sanders presents a nice idealistic vision, but it's not grounded in reality. If Sanders were elected nothing would get done, 4 years wasted.

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#40 AlexKidd5000
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@mattbbpl said:
@AlexKidd5000 said:

But we need to fight as hard we we can anyway.

If you're a Sanders supporter, that's pretty much the attitude you need to have if you want to enact any significant change - not just during the election but afterwards as well.

Frankly, not voting in the election should he lose the nomination would be the first step towards stopping any change you wanted from Sanders.

Hillary is not going to change anything. And the only way I would vote is if hillary proved she had our best interests in mind, and if she chooses Elizabeth warren as her running mate.

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#41 mattbbpl
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@AlexKidd5000 said:
@mattbbpl said:
@AlexKidd5000 said:

But we need to fight as hard we we can anyway.

If you're a Sanders supporter, that's pretty much the attitude you need to have if you want to enact any significant change - not just during the election but afterwards as well.

Frankly, not voting in the election should he lose the nomination would be the first step towards stopping any change you wanted from Sanders.

Hillary is not going to change anything. And the only way I would vote is if hillary proved she had our best interests in mind, and if she chooses Elizabeth warren as her running mate.

If Bernie supporters really do choose this path in large numbers, then they will never see change.

Politics is a long process, generally achieved from within (at least one of) the major parties. It's a processing of slowly changing "hearts and minds" as they say - of changing the conversation over time.

Clinton is already sounding more like Sanders on the campaign trail. As she attempts to heal the wounds of the primary that isn't going to change.

From there supporters need to pay attention to the local/state/lesser national races and vote in the candidates they prefer at those levels, thereby pushing the political climate in their desired direction. And if you really want to have an effect volunteer for some campaigns.

If you stay home, you lose your voice, and you lose any ability to dictate the political path of the country.

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@mattbbpl said:
@AlexKidd5000 said:
@mattbbpl said:
@AlexKidd5000 said:

But we need to fight as hard we we can anyway.

If you're a Sanders supporter, that's pretty much the attitude you need to have if you want to enact any significant change - not just during the election but afterwards as well.

Frankly, not voting in the election should he lose the nomination would be the first step towards stopping any change you wanted from Sanders.

Hillary is not going to change anything. And the only way I would vote is if hillary proved she had our best interests in mind, and if she chooses Elizabeth warren as her running mate.

If Bernie supporters really do choose this path in large numbers, then they will never see change.

Politics is a long process, generally achieved from within (at least one of) the major parties. It's a processing of slowly changing "hearts and minds" as they say - of changing the conversation over time.

Clinton is already sounding more like Sanders on the campaign trail. As she attempts to heal the wounds of the primary that isn't going to change.

From there supporters need to pay attention to the local/state/lesser national races and vote in the candidates they prefer at those levels, thereby pushing the political climate in their desired direction. And if you really want to have an effect volunteer for some campaigns.

If you stay home, you lose your voice, and you lose any ability to dictate the political path of the country.

I'm sorry, but you sound very naive. The political process is a well oiled machine. Study after study shows where the American people are overwhelmingly on one side of the issue, only to see red tape, and political short sighted wheel and dealing corrupt and regress progress. Hearts and minds of the American public support something, and we constantly see the people sworn to represent our interest using neither hearts nor minds.

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#43 mattbbpl
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@hillelslovak: "Hearts and minds of the American public support something, and we constantly see the people sworn to represent our interest using neither hearts nor minds."

I'm assuming you are referring to opinion polls about various issues, in which case it's a matter of policy priority. We support candidates who oppose those policies when we are for them because they also support other policies that we are for (typical wedge issues are normally cited here).

The political process being a well-oiled machine is precisely WHY change happens in this manner (outside of self-funded billionaire's who bankroll their own campaigns - and even one of those worked from within his party's system this go-around). Looking through history (and the events of this very campaign in which two "outsiders" have gathered support by using the parties' infrastructure) lends credence to this view. The parties' platforms are not static, they do have to garner support from the voters (and fellow politicians), and refusing to vote because your candidate of choice didn't win this time allows for someone like Trump/Cruz to win.

Politicians don't care about the ~60% of eligible voters who don't vote. They care about the ~40% who do.

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#44  Edited By AlexKidd5000
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@hillelslovak said:
@mattbbpl said:
@AlexKidd5000 said:
@mattbbpl said:

If you're a Sanders supporter, that's pretty much the attitude you need to have if you want to enact any significant change - not just during the election but afterwards as well.

Frankly, not voting in the election should he lose the nomination would be the first step towards stopping any change you wanted from Sanders.

Hillary is not going to change anything. And the only way I would vote is if hillary proved she had our best interests in mind, and if she chooses Elizabeth warren as her running mate.

If Bernie supporters really do choose this path in large numbers, then they will never see change.

Politics is a long process, generally achieved from within (at least one of) the major parties. It's a processing of slowly changing "hearts and minds" as they say - of changing the conversation over time.

Clinton is already sounding more like Sanders on the campaign trail. As she attempts to heal the wounds of the primary that isn't going to change.

From there supporters need to pay attention to the local/state/lesser national races and vote in the candidates they prefer at those levels, thereby pushing the political climate in their desired direction. And if you really want to have an effect volunteer for some campaigns.

If you stay home, you lose your voice, and you lose any ability to dictate the political path of the country.

I'm sorry, but you sound very naive. The political process is a well oiled machine. Study after study shows where the American people are overwhelmingly on one side of the issue, only to see red tape, and political short sighted wheel and dealing corrupt and regress progress. Hearts and minds of the American public support something, and we constantly see the people sworn to represent our interest using neither hearts nor minds.

The mainstream media at times talks about hillary making her "general election pivot" meaning she will pivot back to the right after the primary, and go back to her conservative talking points and pro-corporate views. It is the PEOPLE of america who need to enact change, and thats what Bernie supporters are trying to do, but people who are blind to hillary's fucking two faced nature, and blatant LIES are preventing change from happening. If she wins the election, I will go back into a long political hibernation just like I was before hearing about Bernie, where there is no hope, and we just have to deal with the shitty way things are. Only this time, it will be a long painful hibernation because of the thought that we had a golden opportunity to change not just the US, but the world for the better, and we let it pass by like a bunch of fucking morons.

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#45 mrbojangles25
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@AlexKidd5000 said:

Sadly, voter suppression really hurt Bernie tonight, not saying he would have won for sure, but it would have been much tighter. Really hate this corrupt country we live in.

Yeah those lines were ridiculous, I have no idea why so many states have been so unprepared for voter turnout unless it was done intentionally. Really starting to think The Man is playing his hand this election...

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@GreySeal9 said:

The other day, when AlexKidd said that Hillary is only winning because she's a "cheating b!tch," i asked for proof that she's cheating and he wasn't able to provide any. One of the moron's arguments was "Hillary probably hacked into Bernie's voter rolls."

I'll be the first to admit she isn't someone who would receive my vote strictly because I find her to be dishonest but I do find her more attached to reality and better suited to do the job over her opponent. Still though, if her candidacy is somehow "suppressing" voters we need actual proof rather than conjecture and to be honest, I'm very tired of the Sanders crew always falling back on the suppression card. I read the reasons the other guy listed and it it still conjecture and embellishment. Polling hours that don't meet the standards of every voter is sour grapes and not suppression. The cut off for being registered to vote months ahead of time seems logical to me as well. Voting might take a bit of leg work rather than having Uncle Sam do everything for you except for choosing the candidate of preference. Hundreds of thousands of voters being told they can not vote? Lets see it. Hell, Fox would be running with it 24/7, right?

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#47  Edited By AlexKidd5000
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@Solaryellow said:
@GreySeal9 said:

The other day, when AlexKidd said that Hillary is only winning because she's a "cheating b!tch," i asked for proof that she's cheating and he wasn't able to provide any. One of the moron's arguments was "Hillary probably hacked into Bernie's voter rolls."

I'll be the first to admit she isn't someone who would receive my vote strictly because I find her to be dishonest but I do find her more attached to reality and better suited to do the job over her opponent. Still though, if her candidacy is somehow "suppressing" voters we need actual proof rather than conjecture and to be honest, I'm very tired of the Sanders crew always falling back on the suppression card. I read the reasons the other guy listed and it it still conjecture and embellishment. Polling hours that don't meet the standards of every voter is sour grapes and not suppression. The cut off for being registered to vote months ahead of time seems logical to me as well. Voting might take a bit of leg work rather than having Uncle Sam do everything for you except for choosing the candidate of preference. Hundreds of thousands of voters being told they can not vote? Lets see it. Hell, Fox would be running with it 24/7, right?

Wisconsin gave everyone the ability to register ON THE DAY OF THE ELECTION, why the hell can't new york do the same? And why were so many polling stations closed in arizona? from 200 in 2012 to 60 this year? any rational person would be able to see that a candidate like Sanders has the public fired up to vote, so the lame ass excuse of "Well we didn't know so many people would be voting" is the most retarded excuse you can give. you are blind if you don't see things like that as voter suppression.

And your reason for seeing Clinton as the more reasonable candidate who is more rooted in reality is not a sensible argument, so you're saying that you'd rather vote for a bought douche nozzle who is guaranteed not to try to change anything because it's the only realistic option, as opposed to voting for someone who will fight tooth and nail, doing everything in his power to see to it that the people of america will get what THEY want, and NOT just the corporations? What a sheep. I'll vote for the person who actually gives a **** about us thank you.

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Bernie's supporter are mostly THUGS and harry potterheads

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I was actually hoping people would talk about the video and enjoy some laughs but it seems like serious business as usual in Off-topic :( I mean, the man singing is the same man that made that Flea Market (Like a Mini-Mall) commercial.....

@zeroyaoi only you can cheer me up

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@mattbbpl said:

Politics is a long process, generally achieved from within (at least one of) the major parties. It's a processing of slowly changing "hearts and minds" as they say - of changing the conversation over time.

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