@Aljosa23 said:
@ShadowsDemon said:
@Aljosa23 said:
@ShadowsDemon: Besides The Road, Cormac McCarthy is a great writer. Blood Meridian is a modern classic, man.
I disagree completely. He has good plots, but the dialogue, stuffed with the most unrealistic dialogue and characters ever who dash on and on with philosophically ramblings and intelligent "conversations" that are meant to sound intelligent but are far from it.
Furthermore, his reasons for writing the way he does (i.e. without punctuation, apostrophes or quote marks) is utterly laughable. The guy thinks he's 'revolutionized' the literary world...and all the universities believe it and earnestly study it.
I respect him and his work, but I think he's overrated. VERY much so.
Overrated is such a dumb term. How exactly is Cormac McCarthy overrated? You said yourself that Universities study him and his novels remain as relevant as they always were. No Country For Old Men still works as an allegory for the United States' changing society and not many living authors stay relevant as long as he has. The only objective way to measure quality is by longevity and except maybe Thomas Pynchon he's the most influential and relevant American novelist of his era. I know people who prefer him to Faulkner but that is a little too out there for me. Just because you personally don't like him doesn't mean he's overrated. I also think it's cute how you believe you're smarter than those Universities that study lol come on, man.
His dialogue is fine and works within the context of his stories. McCarthy's characters and stories are representations of ideas; Blood Meridian is about war and how it encompasses us all, No Country For Old Men was about change and how we resist it, etc. and so on. You need to separate yourself from what your subjective belief of "realism" is and judge it for what it is. Just like you can suspend your disbelief for those Sci-Fi/Fantasy stuff you like, you have to do it for other novels as well.
His stylistic choices are whatever, I'll agree with you on that. I don't particularly care for them either. McCarthy can think whatever he wants but you really shouldn't judge the man's work on his personal opinion. The most basic aspect of any sort of literary criticism is to separate the artist from his art and you seem really bias against him.
Edit: I'm not saying you should like him, I was just a little bothered by calling him overrated. When someone thinks something is overrated just because they don't personally like it is a little pet peeve of mine. There's plenty famous novelists I don't particularly like.
It's not about the suspension of belief. It's about accurate dialogue. There's a massive difference between having fantastical worlds and "fantastical" dialogue. The way his characters speak remind me of the self-appointed armchair philosophers you see around who think they're the contemporary visionaries of today. If an author can create a sci-fi society that is believeable and functions in a well executed way, then that works out pretty good. But the dialogue of his characters is so unbelieveably rigid and un-realistic it's impossible to see them as anything but cardboard cutouts.
Hell, watch The Counselor, a movie McCarthy did the screenplay for. Everyone thinks they're the Plato of the urban west. You can see them physically struggling with their lines.
I measure by quality, not my own personal tastes. There are films (such as 2001: Space Odyssey) that I dislike, but it doesn't mean it's not a masterpiece. I dislike it, but it doesn't take away it's quality.
Quite frankly, if McCarthy wrote a military novel, all his characters would be spurting out the philosophies of war, life, death, violence, etc, while they're dodging bullets in the trenches. While other books would represent the realistic dialogue of war, and everyone would be swearing their heads off, grinding their teeth and running for their lives. Which is more beautiful? The former. But this isn't about "beauty". This is about good writing, realism and true "voices" of characters. Give me the latter any day.
If anyone likes McCarthy, that's more than fine. I think he's overrated, and that's it. It's just my opinion. Just because universities study him it doesn't make him a literary genius. Believe me, universities study a lot of things that are complete crap. I'm going through it now.
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