Fast food workers go on strike

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#101 Posted by Serraph105 (28690 posts) -
[QUOTE="fl4tlined"]i work as a saleperson for wafflehouse i understand their plight i really do (even if my wage comes directly from the customer and treating them with utmost respect is required under any condition if i wish to get my money) so i read it wondering what their asking wage is hoping its a modest proposal of 9 or 10 dollars a hour.. then i read 15 and started laughing my ass off. seriously? 15 dollars? atleast make a effort to try and ask something reasonable 15 a hour is ridiculessly high

it is a laughable price. I hope that this is more of an opening bid in the bargaining process which will end up at 9-10 dollars.
#102 Posted by SpartanMSU (3440 posts) -

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

Yep. Interning is very important. Most pay well too (at least for business majors). I made $24/hr and got paid to go on trips where we basically just partied.

Rich3232

It varies by internship/major, but, fortunately, I'm in engineering, so the notion of unpaid internships makes me giggle. Don't get to party, though; it's definitely work.

I wonder how much work an accounting degree is?

Accountants suck.

#103 Posted by chessmaster1989 (29958 posts) -

All my jobs so far have been as a research assistant (my current job and my job position for two summers in college) or as a TA (most of college, but it wasn't more than maybe 10 hours a week), so thankfully I haven't had to work at minimum wage (and hope never to have to). Good luck to these guys though.

#104 Posted by Nibroc420 (13571 posts) -

All my jobs so far have been as a research assistant (my current job and my job position for two summers in college) or as a TA (most of college, but it wasn't more than maybe 10 hours a week), so thankfully I haven't had to work at minimum wage (and hope never to have to). Good luck to these guys though.

chessmaster1989
You went to school, to improve yourself and to enhance your ability to get a job that is above minimum wage. These people opted simply for minimum wage. I simply cannot feel sympathy for these people, they've done this to themselves.
#105 Posted by Socialist696 (558 posts) -
Americas going to lose weight I guess.
#106 Posted by Serraph105 (28690 posts) -
[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

All my jobs so far have been as a research assistant (my current job and my job position for two summers in college) or as a TA (most of college, but it wasn't more than maybe 10 hours a week), so thankfully I haven't had to work at minimum wage (and hope never to have to). Good luck to these guys though.

Nibroc420
You went to school, to improve yourself and to enhance your ability to get a job that is above minimum wage. These people opted simply for minimum wage. I simply cannot feel sympathy for these people, they've done this to themselves.

In general I agree, but if those same people now would like to go to college, but can't afford to do so then I do feel sympathy.
#107 Posted by pianist (18899 posts) -

It does take will power however to continue to go into a job like this, because in general most people do not enjoy this type of work.

Serraph105

Absolutely agreed with this. I took on a job as a dishwasher for a summer in university, and it was a mentally straining job. The hardest thing about it was the tedium. It helped me develop a real sense of compassion for the people who are stuck in jobs like this. Part of me thinks everyone should do this sort of work at some point in their lives for the same reason.

#108 Posted by Wasdie (50849 posts) -

I wonder what the effects are and if they will be successful.

The problem with fast food workers is that they are extremely easily replaced. Strikes only work well when you control the majority of the workforce. Fast food jobs suck, no doubt about that, but the extremely low skill requirement and very large potential workforce keeps the wages down. Just the nature of the beast.

I think the minimum wage should probably be adjusted another 50 cents to a dollar.

Workers in fast food and retail do have one advantage. Those kind of jobs are very regional. People aren't going to move great lengths to get a close to minimum wage paying job somewhere. So if they can organize enough within their communities, depending on the size of the community they could actually probably get higher wages. I know if most of the retail workers within a 25 mile radius of my house would just go on strike, it would be much more difficult to replace them all or bring in people from other reigons to cover. Either there won't be enough to fill the positions or the company would spend even more on transportation and overtime wages than they would on just paying higher wages.

In a big city though, that's not really going to be a big advantage.

#109 Posted by hartsickdiscipl (14787 posts) -

Minimum wage should be raised to a realistic living wage. Something like $11/hr would be reasonable, IMO. People typically provide a higher quality of work when they are paid decently, so some of those people that seem almost worthless at 7-8 bucks an hour might surprise you at $11-12.

#110 Posted by Wilfred_Owen (20915 posts) -
I think I should get a pay raise.
#111 Posted by bigfoot2045 (732 posts) -

As they should. The current minimum wage is not liveable. More minimum wage employees need to have the balls to do this. There's absolutely no reason fabulously wealthy megacorps like McDonalds and Walmart can't pay their employees a decent wage, say $12/hour. $7/hour to sweat your ass off is exploitive and abusive. You may as well just go on welfare if that's all they're going to pay you. Meanwhile their executives do nothing all day and make millions. The artificial scarcity created by those at the top needs to end, and this is just one example.

#112 Posted by Thefatness16 (4672 posts) -

They're not gonna get 15$. 10-11$ would have been more reasonable. Hope they succeed though.

#113 Posted by thegerg (16262 posts) -

As they should. The current minimum wage is not liveable. More minimum wage employees need to have the balls to do this. There's absolutely no reason fabulously wealthy megacorps like McDonalds and Walmart can't pay their employees a decent wage, say $12/hour. $7/hour to sweat your ass off is exploitive and abusive. You may as well just go on welfare if that's all they're going to pay you. Meanwhile their executives do nothing all day and make millions. The artificial scarcity created by those at the top needs to end, and this is just one example.

bigfoot2045
Keep in mind that large corporations wil not be the only one impacted if the minimum wage is drastically increased. It will have devastating impact on small busnisses.
#114 Posted by MrGeezer (57211 posts) -
[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] You went to school, to improve yourself and to enhance your ability to get a job that is above minimum wage. These people opted simply for minimum wage. I simply cannot feel sympathy for these people, they've done this to themselves.

Regardless, the way things are set up not everyone can get a good job. It's like a dozen bums fighting over a ham sandwich. You can blame the losers for not fighting hard enough, but the fact is that there just plain wasn't enough food to go around. Regardless of whose fault it is that they're stuck earning minimum wage, this sort of stuff is going to end up being a big problem. If you've got a bunch of people only qualified to do one kind of work, and it's practically impossible for them to make a living off of that work, then that's gonna end up being a big problem.
#115 Posted by chilly-chill (8902 posts) -

Why should they earn more? There is no shortage of people in this country looking for low skill labor. Just fire them all and hire new ones.

Chickity_China
What I came here to say. I'm giving it 2 days.
#116 Posted by DaBrainz (7721 posts) -
OK but what's going to happen when big macs cost $10 because of this? They will have to go out of business.
#117 Posted by Shmiity (5374 posts) -

I agree with them. Doing retail or food service is such a sh*t job, and the pay is obscenely bad. You cannot even pay for basic living on a 7-8$ an hour. ESPECIALLY in Nyc. Rent must be at least 1,000$, if not more.

8$ x 40 hours a week= 320 net

320 x 4 weeks= 1280$. Thats before taxes. You cannot live on that amount. Yes, people will say "They should get a better job/go to college". How can a person even afford to do that? What if youre on your own with no support?

There is a huge problem with minimum wage.

#118 Posted by Shmiity (5374 posts) -

[QUOTE="fl4tlined"]i work as a saleperson for wafflehouse i understand their plight i really do (even if my wage comes directly from the customer and treating them with utmost respect is required under any condition if i wish to get my money) so i read it wondering what their asking wage is hoping its a modest proposal of 9 or 10 dollars a hour.. then i read 15 and started laughing my ass off. seriously? 15 dollars? atleast make a effort to try and ask something reasonable 15 a hour is ridiculessly highSerraph105
it is a laughable price. I hope that this is more of an opening bid in the bargaining process which will end up at 9-10 dollars.

It is not a laughable price. Do you guys know anything about brokering deals/bargaining? You should always give an unrealistically high number, so it gets bargained down to what you actually want. -mind games-

#119 Posted by Laihendi (5834 posts) -

As they should. The current minimum wage is not liveable. More minimum wage employees need to have the balls to do this. There's absolutely no reason fabulously wealthy megacorps like McDonalds and Walmart can't pay their employees a decent wage, say $12/hour. $7/hour to sweat your ass off is exploitive and abusive. You may as well just go on welfare if that's all they're going to pay you. Meanwhile their executives do nothing all day and make millions. The artificial scarcity created by those at the top needs to end, and this is just one example.

bigfoot2045

I don't understand why it's so hard for people like you to understand that businesses exist to make profits, not to provide charity.

And what do you mean by articifial scarcity? And how is a voluntary job exploitative and abusive? If the working conditions are really so intolerable, the workers are free to leave.

#120 Posted by pie-junior (2866 posts) -

And what do you mean by articifial scarcity? And how is a voluntary job exploitative and abusive? If the working conditions are really so intolerable, the workers are free to leave.

Laihendi

I like how all of your views coincide neatly with the prominent ideas of the 19th century.

#121 Posted by Laihendi (5834 posts) -

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]

And what do you mean by articifial scarcity? And how is a voluntary job exploitative and abusive? If the working conditions are really so intolerable, the workers are free to leave.

pie-junior

I like how all of your views coincide neatly with the prominent ideas of the 19th century.

I like how the greatest economic disasters in human history have all occurred in the 20th and 21st centuries.

#122 Posted by pie-junior (2866 posts) -
wait, so you're using the great depression to argue against market regulation? makes sense
#123 Posted by Dogswithguns (10968 posts) -
Americas going to lose weight I guess.Socialist696
Won't.. coz PizzaHut still around, unless otherwise.
#124 Posted by Laihendi (5834 posts) -
[QUOTE="pie-junior"]wait, so you're using the great depression to argue against market regulation? makes sense

So I'm guessing you think the great depression wouldn't have happened if the minimum wage was higher. Because that is what we are talking about. Minimum wage.
#125 Posted by pie-junior (2866 posts) -
I would go on about how the work market is filled to the brim with externalities stemming from the lack of information, and the critical disadvantage of (most) employees in their negotiation for a work contract with any prospective employer, and how, like other markets brimmed with potential externalities- it needs regulation (equating different scenarios). But I have a feeling arguing with you would just generate vacant expressions about rights and liberties.
#126 Posted by bigfoot2045 (732 posts) -

[QUOTE="bigfoot2045"]

As they should. The current minimum wage is not liveable. More minimum wage employees need to have the balls to do this. There's absolutely no reason fabulously wealthy megacorps like McDonalds and Walmart can't pay their employees a decent wage, say $12/hour. $7/hour to sweat your ass off is exploitive and abusive. You may as well just go on welfare if that's all they're going to pay you. Meanwhile their executives do nothing all day and make millions. The artificial scarcity created by those at the top needs to end, and this is just one example.

thegerg

Keep in mind that large corporations wil not be the only one impacted if the minimum wage is drastically increased. It will have devastating impact on small busnisses.

If you can't afford to treat your employees like human beings, don't open a business.

#127 Posted by bigfoot2045 (732 posts) -

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] You went to school, to improve yourself and to enhance your ability to get a job that is above minimum wage. These people opted simply for minimum wage. I simply cannot feel sympathy for these people, they've done this to themselves.MrGeezer
Regardless, the way things are set up not everyone can get a good job. It's like a dozen bums fighting over a ham sandwich. You can blame the losers for not fighting hard enough, but the fact is that there just plain wasn't enough food to go around. Regardless of whose fault it is that they're stuck earning minimum wage, this sort of stuff is going to end up being a big problem. If you've got a bunch of people only qualified to do one kind of work, and it's practically impossible for them to make a living off of that work, then that's gonna end up being a big problem.

In your analogy you forgot the part where there's a guy with a cart full of ham sandwiches standing there laughing at them. Megacorps can afford to pay their employees a living wage. They don't because they're greedy scumbags.

#128 Posted by thegerg (16262 posts) -
[QUOTE="bigfoot2045"]

[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="bigfoot2045"]

[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="bigfoot2045"]

As they should. The current minimum wage is not liveable. More minimum wage employees need to have the balls to do this. There's absolutely no reason fabulously wealthy megacorps like McDonalds and Walmart can't pay their employees a decent wage, say $12/hour. $7/hour to sweat your ass off is exploitive and abusive. You may as well just go on welfare if that's all they're going to pay you. Meanwhile their executives do nothing all day and make millions. The artificial scarcity created by those at the top needs to end, and this is just one example.

bigfoot2045

Keep in mind that large corporations wil not be the only one impacted if the minimum wage is drastically increased. It will have devastating impact on small busnisses.

If you can't afford to treat your employees like human beings, don't open a business.

OK...That has nothing to do with the fact that a dramatic increase in the minimum wage would negativly impact countless workers and business owners.
#129 Posted by thegerg (16262 posts) -

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] You went to school, to improve yourself and to enhance your ability to get a job that is above minimum wage. These people opted simply for minimum wage. I simply cannot feel sympathy for these people, they've done this to themselves.bigfoot2045

Regardless, the way things are set up not everyone can get a good job. It's like a dozen bums fighting over a ham sandwich. You can blame the losers for not fighting hard enough, but the fact is that there just plain wasn't enough food to go around. Regardless of whose fault it is that they're stuck earning minimum wage, this sort of stuff is going to end up being a big problem. If you've got a bunch of people only qualified to do one kind of work, and it's practically impossible for them to make a living off of that work, then that's gonna end up being a big problem.

In your analogy you forgot the part where there's a guy with a cart full of ham sandwiches standing there laughing at them. Megacorps can afford to pay their employees a living wage. They don't because they're greedy scumbags.

How much cash do you throw to the greeter at Walmart when you walk by? Don't tell me it's none, you greedy scumbag.
#130 Posted by bigfoot2045 (732 posts) -

[QUOTE="bigfoot2045"]

[QUOTE="thegerg"] Keep in mind that large corporations wil not be the only one impacted if the minimum wage is drastically increased. It will have devastating impact on small busnisses. thegerg

If you can't afford to treat your employees like human beings, don't open a business.

OK...That has nothing to do with the fact that a dramatic increase in the minimum wage would negativly impact countless workers and business owners.

The workers would have massively improved quality of life. They would probably work harder because they're no longer worried about how they'll make ends meet and they actually have a reason to care about their jobs. Slaves do poor quality work. Well paid workers do a good job.

Wealthy business owners wouldn't be harmed by it. And usually when taxes or the minimum wage are raised, they compensate by ramping up their business and bringing in more money.

Everybody wins.

#131 Posted by bigfoot2045 (732 posts) -

[QUOTE="bigfoot2045"]

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"] Regardless, the way things are set up not everyone can get a good job. It's like a dozen bums fighting over a ham sandwich. You can blame the losers for not fighting hard enough, but the fact is that there just plain wasn't enough food to go around. Regardless of whose fault it is that they're stuck earning minimum wage, this sort of stuff is going to end up being a big problem. If you've got a bunch of people only qualified to do one kind of work, and it's practically impossible for them to make a living off of that work, then that's gonna end up being a big problem.thegerg

In your analogy you forgot the part where there's a guy with a cart full of ham sandwiches standing there laughing at them. Megacorps can afford to pay their employees a living wage. They don't because they're greedy scumbags.

How much cash do you throw to the greeter at Walmart when you walk by? Don't tell me it's none, you greedy scumbag.

I don't shop at Walmart. I don't agree with their business practices, and it's a disgusting and depressing place.

#132 Posted by rilpas (8161 posts) -

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

[QUOTE="Chickity_China"]

At least cattle don't b**** and moan about minimum wage.

Chickity_China

I think you're on to something. Maybe we should just kill all those lazy people and turn them into burgers.

Maybe lazy people need to shut the f*** up and stop being lazy or deal with their own shortcommings.

said random gamespot user who has achieved nothing in life

#133 Posted by thegerg (16262 posts) -

[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="bigfoot2045"]

If you can't afford to treat your employees like human beings, don't open a business.

bigfoot2045

OK...That has nothing to do with the fact that a dramatic increase in the minimum wage would negativly impact countless workers and business owners.

The workers would have massively improved quality of life. They would probably work harder because they now have a reason to give a crap about their jobs. Slaves do poor quality work. Well paid workers do a good job.

Wealthy business owners wouldn't be harmed by it. And usually when taxes or the minimum wage are raised, they compensate by ramping up their business and bringing in more money.

Everybody wins.

No, the workers would not have an improved quality of life. I run a small business. If my labor costs increased so dramatically then myself and everyone else in that building would be out of a job. Wealthy business owners may not be harmed, but the other business owners would.
#134 Posted by Laihendi (5834 posts) -
[QUOTE="pie-junior"]I would go on about how the work market is filled to the brim with externalities stemming from the lack of information, and the critical disadvantage of (most) employees in their negotiation for a work contract with any prospective employer, and how, like other markets brimmed with potential externalities- it needs regulation (equating different scenarios). But I have a feeling arguing with you would just generate vacant expressions about rights and liberties.

Please answer this question: Are you for or against the concept of property rights?
#135 Posted by bigfoot2045 (732 posts) -

[QUOTE="bigfoot2045"]

[QUOTE="thegerg"]OK...That has nothing to do with the fact that a dramatic increase in the minimum wage would negativly impact countless workers and business owners.thegerg

The workers would have massively improved quality of life. They would probably work harder because they now have a reason to give a crap about their jobs. Slaves do poor quality work. Well paid workers do a good job.

Wealthy business owners wouldn't be harmed by it. And usually when taxes or the minimum wage are raised, they compensate by ramping up their business and bringing in more money.

Everybody wins.

No, the workers would not have an improved quality of life. I run a small business. If my labor costs increased so dramatically then myself and everyone else in that building would be out of a job. Wealthy business owners may not be harmed, but the other business owners would.

Again, I ask why are you in business when you can't afford to treat your employees like human beings? They have families to feed and bills to pay. Or are you just another one of these greedy **** who keeps everything for himself while paying his employees a crap wage? You didnt' build your business, and the business you're running would collapse without the employees. Treat them right or shut down your business.

#136 Posted by chilly-chill (8902 posts) -

[QUOTE="Chickity_China"]

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

I think you're on to something. Maybe we should just kill all those lazy people and turn them into burgers.

rilpas

Maybe lazy people need to shut the f*** up and stop being lazy or deal with their own shortcommings.

said random gamespot user who has achieved nothing in life

That's very presumptuous of you. What makes you think he hasn't achieved anything? You don't even know him.
#137 Posted by chilly-chill (8902 posts) -

[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="bigfoot2045"]

The workers would have massively improved quality of life. They would probably work harder because they now have a reason to give a crap about their jobs. Slaves do poor quality work. Well paid workers do a good job.

Wealthy business owners wouldn't be harmed by it. And usually when taxes or the minimum wage are raised, they compensate by ramping up their business and bringing in more money.

Everybody wins.

bigfoot2045

No, the workers would not have an improved quality of life. I run a small business. If my labor costs increased so dramatically then myself and everyone else in that building would be out of a job. Wealthy business owners may not be harmed, but the other business owners would.

Again, I ask why are you in business when you can't afford to treat your employees like human beings? They have families to feed and bills to pay. Or are you just another one of these greedy **** who keeps everything for himself while paying his employees a crap wage? You didnt' build your business, and the business you're running would collapse without the employees. Treat them right or shut down your business.

You clearly don't understand priorities let alone business.
#138 Posted by pie-junior (2866 posts) -
[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="pie-junior"]I would go on about how the work market is filled to the brim with externalities stemming from the lack of information, and the critical disadvantage of (most) employees in their negotiation for a work contract with any prospective employer, and how, like other markets brimmed with potential externalities- it needs regulation (equating different scenarios). But I have a feeling arguing with you would just generate vacant expressions about rights and liberties.

Please answer this question: Are you for or against the concept of property rights?

for (probably for reasosns much more detailed than yours), I also understand the concept of a right is not, and cannot be, absolute, and that rights are a societal legal device and not god given.
#139 Posted by rilpas (8161 posts) -

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="Chickity_China"]

Maybe lazy people need to shut the f*** up and stop being lazy or deal with their own shortcommings.

chilly-chill

said random gamespot user who has achieved nothing in life

That's very presumptuous of you. What makes you think he hasn't achieved anything? You don't even know him.

no more presumptuous then any of his posts on this thread.

#140 Posted by bigfoot2045 (732 posts) -

[QUOTE="bigfoot2045"]

[QUOTE="thegerg"] No, the workers would not have an improved quality of life. I run a small business. If my labor costs increased so dramatically then myself and everyone else in that building would be out of a job. Wealthy business owners may not be harmed, but the other business owners would. chilly-chill

Again, I ask why are you in business when you can't afford to treat your employees like human beings? They have families to feed and bills to pay. Or are you just another one of these greedy **** who keeps everything for himself while paying his employees a crap wage? You didnt' build your business, and the business you're running would collapse without the employees. Treat them right or shut down your business.

You clearly don't understand priorities let alone business.

What, because I think it's wrong to exploit employees? Business owners don't build businesses, the workers do. Without workers, businesses would collapse. Obama was absolutely right with his "you didn't build that" line.

If I ran a business, it would be a democracy, and everyone would make the same wage. We don't put up with tyranny in our government, so why do we tolerate it at work?

#141 Posted by thegerg (16262 posts) -

[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="bigfoot2045"]

The workers would have massively improved quality of life. They would probably work harder because they now have a reason to give a crap about their jobs. Slaves do poor quality work. Well paid workers do a good job.

Wealthy business owners wouldn't be harmed by it. And usually when taxes or the minimum wage are raised, they compensate by ramping up their business and bringing in more money.

Everybody wins.

bigfoot2045

No, the workers would not have an improved quality of life. I run a small business. If my labor costs increased so dramatically then myself and everyone else in that building would be out of a job. Wealthy business owners may not be harmed, but the other business owners would.

Again, I ask why are you in business when you can't afford to treat your employees like human beings? They have families to feed and bills to pay. Or are you just another one of these greedy **** who keeps everything for himself while paying his employees a crap wage? You didnt' build your business, and the business you're running would collapse without the employees. Treat them right or shut down your business.

I can treat my employees like human beings and I do. I pay them what their labor is worth, at a rate at which we have agreed upon. Let me ask you something, if a plumber comes to your house to fix a burst pipe and gives you a bill for $200 do you pay him $300, or are you just another one of these greedy **** who keeps everything for himself while paying his employees a crap wage?
#142 Posted by bigfoot2045 (732 posts) -

[QUOTE="bigfoot2045"]

[QUOTE="thegerg"] No, the workers would not have an improved quality of life. I run a small business. If my labor costs increased so dramatically then myself and everyone else in that building would be out of a job. Wealthy business owners may not be harmed, but the other business owners would. thegerg

Again, I ask why are you in business when you can't afford to treat your employees like human beings? They have families to feed and bills to pay. Or are you just another one of these greedy **** who keeps everything for himself while paying his employees a crap wage? You didnt' build your business, and the business you're running would collapse without the employees. Treat them right or shut down your business.

I can treat my employees like human beings and I do. I pay them what their labor is worth, at a rate at which we have agreed upon. Let me ask you something, if a plumber comes to your house to fix a burst pipe and gives you a bill for $200 do you pay him $300, or are you just another one of these greedy **** who keeps everything for himself while paying his employees a crap wage?

I've paid as much as $200 over what my handyman has asked when he did a good job.

He recently rebuilt a fuse box outside. It was back breaking work, so in addition to the check for his asking price, I handed him $200 in cash.

#143 Posted by thegerg (16262 posts) -

[QUOTE="chilly-chill"][QUOTE="bigfoot2045"]

Again, I ask why are you in business when you can't afford to treat your employees like human beings? They have families to feed and bills to pay. Or are you just another one of these greedy **** who keeps everything for himself while paying his employees a crap wage? You didnt' build your business, and the business you're running would collapse without the employees. Treat them right or shut down your business.

bigfoot2045

You clearly don't understand priorities let alone business.

What, because I think it's wrong to exploit employees? Business owners don't build businesses, the workers do. Without workers, businesses would collapse. Obama was absolutely right with his "you didn't build that" line.

If I ran a business, it would be a democracy, and everyone would make the same wage. We don't put up with tyranny in our government, so why do we tolerate it at work?

DO you not think business owners work? Do business wners jus wake up one day deciding that they will own a business? Business owners ARE workers, dummy. "If I ran a business, it would be a democracy, and everyone would make the same wage. We don't put up with tyranny in our government, so why do we tolerate it at work?" Haha, you're clearly trolling at this point. Let me come work for you. The other employees and I will all vote that we only work 5 hour a week and that you must sign a contract guaranteeing us $100,000 a year.
#144 Posted by thegerg (16262 posts) -

[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="bigfoot2045"]

Again, I ask why are you in business when you can't afford to treat your employees like human beings? They have families to feed and bills to pay. Or are you just another one of these greedy **** who keeps everything for himself while paying his employees a crap wage? You didnt' build your business, and the business you're running would collapse without the employees. Treat them right or shut down your business.

bigfoot2045

I can treat my employees like human beings and I do. I pay them what their labor is worth, at a rate at which we have agreed upon. Let me ask you something, if a plumber comes to your house to fix a burst pipe and gives you a bill for $200 do you pay him $300, or are you just another one of these greedy **** who keeps everything for himself while paying his employees a crap wage?

I've paid as much as $200 over what my handyman has asked when he did a good job.

He recently rebuilt a fuse box outside. It was back breaking work, so in addition to the check for his asking price, I handed him $200 in cash.

ONLY $200!?!? You greedy ****.
#145 Posted by bigfoot2045 (732 posts) -

[QUOTE="bigfoot2045"]

[QUOTE="chilly-chill"] You clearly don't understand priorities let alone business.thegerg

What, because I think it's wrong to exploit employees? Business owners don't build businesses, the workers do. Without workers, businesses would collapse. Obama was absolutely right with his "you didn't build that" line.

If I ran a business, it would be a democracy, and everyone would make the same wage. We don't put up with tyranny in our government, so why do we tolerate it at work?

DO you not think business owners work? Do business wners jus wake up one day deciding that they will own a business? Business owners ARE workers, dummy. "If I ran a business, it would be a democracy, and everyone would make the same wage. We don't put up with tyranny in our government, so why do we tolerate it at work?" Haha, you're clearly trolling at this point. Let me come work for you. The other employees and I will all vote that we only work 5 hour a week and that you must sign a contract guaranteeing us $100,000 a year.

Not really. Compared to a minimum wage employee, corporate executives barely work. I should know, my stepfather was CEO of one of the largest publishing companies in the US.

Small business owners do work. But if you think the executives at some megacorp like McDonalds or Walmart do any real work, you're absolutely delusional. Those people are parasites.

#146 Posted by thegerg (16262 posts) -

[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="bigfoot2045"]

What, because I think it's wrong to exploit employees? Business owners don't build businesses, the workers do. Without workers, businesses would collapse. Obama was absolutely right with his "you didn't build that" line.

If I ran a business, it would be a democracy, and everyone would make the same wage. We don't put up with tyranny in our government, so why do we tolerate it at work?

bigfoot2045

DO you not think business owners work? Do business wners jus wake up one day deciding that they will own a business? Business owners ARE workers, dummy. "If I ran a business, it would be a democracy, and everyone would make the same wage. We don't put up with tyranny in our government, so why do we tolerate it at work?" Haha, you're clearly trolling at this point. Let me come work for you. The other employees and I will all vote that we only work 5 hour a week and that you must sign a contract guaranteeing us $100,000 a year.

Not really. Compared to a minimum wage employee, corporate executives barely work. I should know, my stepfather was CEO of one of the largest publishing companies in the US.

We're talking about business owners here, not corporate executives. Most executives are not owners. Do you think that I don't work?
#147 Posted by WhiteKnight77 (12017 posts) -

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] You went to school, to improve yourself and to enhance your ability to get a job that is above minimum wage. These people opted simply for minimum wage. I simply cannot feel sympathy for these people, they've done this to themselves.bigfoot2045

Regardless, the way things are set up not everyone can get a good job. It's like a dozen bums fighting over a ham sandwich. You can blame the losers for not fighting hard enough, but the fact is that there just plain wasn't enough food to go around. Regardless of whose fault it is that they're stuck earning minimum wage, this sort of stuff is going to end up being a big problem. If you've got a bunch of people only qualified to do one kind of work, and it's practically impossible for them to make a living off of that work, then that's gonna end up being a big problem.

In your analogy you forgot the part where there's a guy with a cart full of ham sandwiches standing there laughing at them. Megacorps can afford to pay their employees a living wage. They don't because they're greedy scumbags.

Are you willing to pay $10 for a simple cheeseburger? How about $20 a gallon for gas? All those low paying jobs help keep prices down. It is not about greedy corporations, but what a customer is willing to pay for something be it a hamburger, getting your car washed, or an ear of corn at the grocery store. Places like McDonald's are small businesses, franchises owned by a local owner, not some big conglomerate of uncaring corporations. Ask the local owner how much he profits from his business for the year before stating that they can afford it. Home Depot is a large corporation that would have to raise the price of a toilet seat to $50 and that $.50 PVC fitting would rise to $5 just to remain profitable (though home improvement does take some knowledge so to give customers the right advice on how to do something). They would struggle to remain in business if they had to increase pay for their workers across the board as no one would want to buy anything from them.

#148 Posted by thegerg (16262 posts) -
Increasing minimum wage so drastically would do even more to ensure that only the wealthy are able to purchase labor and run businesses. I'm not sure why so many people seem to support such an idea while, at the same time, argue that they support the working-man.
#149 Posted by rilpas (8161 posts) -

[QUOTE="bigfoot2045"]

[QUOTE="thegerg"] I can treat my employees like human beings and I do. I pay them what their labor is worth, at a rate at which we have agreed upon. Let me ask you something, if a plumber comes to your house to fix a burst pipe and gives you a bill for $200 do you pay him $300, or are you just another one of these greedy **** who keeps everything for himself while paying his employees a crap wage?thegerg

I've paid as much as $200 over what my handyman has asked when he did a good job.

He recently rebuilt a fuse box outside. It was back breaking work, so in addition to the check for his asking price, I handed him $200 in cash.

ONLY $200!?!? You greedy ****.

you'd have have spared yourself from looking like a fool if you had read that part

#150 Posted by thegerg (16262 posts) -

[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="bigfoot2045"]

I've paid as much as $200 over what my handyman has asked when he did a good job.

He recently rebuilt a fuse box outside. It was back breaking work, so in addition to the check for his asking price, I handed him $200 in cash.

rilpas

ONLY $200!?!? You greedy ****.

you'd have have spared yourself from looking like a fool if you had read that part

I read every part. What are you getting at?